Can this be considered false advertising?

okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under)

Wow, she's having so much fun... NOT

Dunno why, but I won't have fun simulating percussion instruments unless I can physically beat something.

Like the Taiko no Tatsujin game for PS2. That was lots of fun, until my Taiko drums stopped working...

Bokusatsu_Tenshi

There are probably people out there who will play Wii Music and enjoy it. But because Nintendo is focusing on the people who will play games like Wii Music instead of the hardcore, obviously we have to bash Wii Music and complain about it as much as we can. Because it's totally going to change Nintendo's mind and get them to love us again.

formina

AIR-ORCHESTRA.

do want.

animat0

Of course it seems misleading. Where haven't you seen a Wii ad expressing the fact that YOU MUST ABSOLUTELY GET OFF YOUR ASS AND SWING LIKE A METH DEPRIVED MONKEY!!! I only ad caps and exclamations because those ads totally imply that it's both exciting and fun and to stand all day and flail your arms about to play a Wii title. The opposite is far more truthful for the large majority of Wii titles, and the ones that do encourage you to move a lot are fairly tiring and silly.

I don't see how this game is any different... especially when titles like Rock Band at least have proper physical representations of instruments that you physically hold and physically use. That's a lot more comfortable than pretending you're playing drums and marimba...

Dark_Mirage

@snakepliskin:

Bwhahahaha.....that was brilliant!

"Shit just got casual"

gadjet

@Spartan1308™: at least they're hitting.. something.. It adds a whole new level of craziness to pretend to hit something with the wiimotes IMO. ha ha

GiantEnemyCrab

dear god,

Even dennis dyack doesn't bug me that much.

I want to punch this game in the face, right between the 0's.

juc

God kill me now. This game will still sell millions upon millions while nintendo keeps telling us it hasnt forgotten the core. I like this video better [gizmodo.com]

snakepliskin

The ad seems to give off the impression that she's really playing the instrument, moving from note to note and sliding the remote accordingly. As far as I've seen, however, it doesn't matter where you hit or how, just that you hit and press a button. Seems a bit misleading to me, but I guess that's advertising.

nick.soapdish

Another game that 10 million people will buy and 10 million people will forget about after a day of playing.

Jtn

@Spartan1308™:

touché

gadjet

If only it was a real marimba...

Hopanoe

@GiantEnemyCrab: And people playing Rock Band and Guitar Hero cheap plastic instruments don't look like tools?

Spartan1308™

Cute but ... she look kind of bored ...

I imagine i'll get the same reaction .... maybe my niece will get a kick out it.

Sesshu

Waggling your arms has never sounded so great.

la1337

Kill it with fire and cover the earth it dies on with salt!

sarcasmOD has no respect for Nintendo

Wow, and she looks so amused while she's doing it. (Not really.)

kubevubin

If there's a way to assassinate wii music, like the actual game, someone figure it out fast! Cause this shit is kerazy!!!

Frologic

As a percussionist... I can already say DO WANT!

Rasputin

All they need to do is show that guy they had at E3 playing the drums. People will know all they need to know from that. It simulates instruments and it makes you look like a tool.

GiantEnemyCrab

This just reminded me of Hit Stix..."you can play 'em in the air, you can play 'em anywhere!"

gadjet

MIYAMOTOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~!

Seriously though, I don't know how Nintendo missed the point with this..why make a music game where the player doesn't actually control the music?

Archaotic

Over/Under - 10 million sales worldwide?

btw: Looks kind of interesting lol. Hope there is a composer program for it.

aulzon

I think it's cute for what it is.

EmeraldDragon

how much is overlayed audio? haha look, a banana is playing musikz

kitsuneconundrum

That's not how I remember it sounding.

Spootythegameguru

Personally I don't find it so bad! At least it's a cheaper alternative to buying 50 instruments, as opposed to Fit :P.

Plus, I'm the strange one who likes calm in their music =/

Zanibas

Though I don't like this non-game, I like what it will bring with "copycats".

I want a good taiko drum game for Wii. It works on the DS, it shall work great on Wii.

Kenofthedead

*shakes head*

Great a game where you aimlessly swing the wiimote holding different buttons for different tunes. Sigh...

Smash88

She should've been the only one to demonstrate Wii Music at E3.

Saint Anima

Doesn't seem fun at all to me.

digitalmorphine

oh ho ho!

Grandma is gonna LOVE this!

And 4-year old cousin Freddie.

quadmonkey

Well honestly... I'm not saying Wii Music WON'T sell (especially with a Christmas release), but I don't see how it can completely compete with the likes of Guitar Hero 4 and Rockband 2. There will be a point where one has too many music games in the market, and with song offerings like Yankee Doodle and no real instrument to go with the software, Wii Music's position is somewhat awkward. People will probably buy it, but one wonders if that will be the Wii title to finally turn of a chunk of Wii gamers.

Dark_Mirage

At least she makes it look good.

Ping5000

I wish you guys would at least get some hands-on before writing it off, but I have to admit that it's really hard to tell from the trailer if the motions she makes have any effect on what sounds actually come out.

Allosteric

Nothing beats that pic of M Night Shyamalan playing like some sort of spastic gimp though.

wild_world_girl

@Spartan1308™:

yea, but atleast the music is good.. :P

wii music = reason why i sold my wii

seamonkey420

@Spartan1308™:
DECENT COUNTER ARGUMENT!

Thsi is not fathomable in the intrawebz.

Terrorsaur.

Bullshit. I can barely get my Wii remote to point at the menu consistently. I can imagine just trying to play a damn xylophone with it. Band Class Hero = no.

quasicoma

Lol, I was expecting Nintendo level conference fail in that commercial, but it wasn't too bad. At least she is nice to look at.

nitromic

@seamonkey420:
"wii music = reason why i sold my wii"

That statement makes absolutely no sense, and I highly doubt the sincerity of it.

On a personal level, Wii Music is going into my games library as soon as possible. I have some rhythm-impaired friends that really want to get into the joy of DDR and Guitar Hero and the like in the same manner as my wife and I do, but just find controlling those games too complicated. This is the kind of game that I think would enable people of all levels to play a rhythm-centric game, and enjoy the copious amounts of fun that can only generate from such.

eclipsegryph

I think I kind of like it, if it has the option to create your own music it could be a good game. I just hope I dont stop playing it 2 weeks after I got it like wii sports.
@The_EE_God: I hope she does =D

HELLSRIDER

Needs more [i36.tinypic.com]

KRaid-

@Allosteric:

i guess i'm missing how moving the remote at any angle/speed/movement nad it has no relation to what the notes are is 'fun'?

atleast w/GH and RB, you do need some type of timing/coordination and what you do does affect the song.

but just my .02.. :P

seamonkey420

I love how they made her act like she was influencing the notes.

Ryumeka

Does she come packaged with the game?

The_EE_God

It looks like a lot of Wii stuff: An awful, childish "game" lacking in goals or purpose that appears entirely pointless and will make me feel slightly ashamed as I enjoy it tremendously with friends and family.

mwoody

@Spartan1308™: Aw...beat me to
it.

@GiantEnemyCrab: But you're still "make believing" that you're playing instruments when you are infact hitting plastic representations of instruments according to timed notes on the screen. It reminds me of that Family Guy where Peter was pretending to play the piano. "You're nothing but a phoney. You BIG PHONEY! HEY EVERYONE! This guys a big Phoney". Don't be a tool, learn actual guitar.

I dunno. This games going to sell. I for one will probably not enjoy or buy it. But I think we should withhold our judgement till it comes out. Its Miyamoto here, he could very well surprise us.

NeVeRMoRe666

If it still has the conductor part that was shown when it first came out...maybe it'll pick my interest again. I would like if Nintendo added one mode were it require still (at least in the conductor part of moving correctly with the tempo and pointing to the right spot)...but so far that is just a dream.

daknight

Please don't buy this game... Please?

darvos

I think I'm gonna cry, where are the games for the Wii?

GrassJelly

@mwoody: "lacking in goals and purpose"

Except it isn't lacking these things. Think of it as a giant exploring game - where you and your merry band, after picking your choice of weapons, go searching a vast musical landscape seeking the elusive place where "twinkle twinkle little star" sounds cool.

Sounds like a winner to me!

phisheep

im pretty sure that advert is misleading
1. the sounds of the game dont sound like that
2. those idiots at the press conference were not playing like that

mbeck

@phisheep: Give up. No one will ever listen. Everything is greeted with RAGE these days.
I imagine these people looking at the most beautiful woman in the world and saying "MOAR TITS".

ZombiePuppy

@Archaotic: "why make a music game where the player doesn't actually control the music?"

Except you do control the music - there's a lot more to music than playing the right notes in the right order, otherwise George Martin and Phil Spector wouldn't have been great. You control everything else - who plays when, loudness, being in time with each other and so on - so you get all the performance bits without all the practice bits.

Like a virtual recording studio.

It is pretty much the same as pilotwings, where you control the flying in every respect except you're not really controlling the aircraft, or Endless Ocean - everthing about scuba diving except the complicated diving mechanics you have to learn. Like any adventure game where you don't really have to learn fencing. Any shooter without real gun mechanics.

I really don't see that this is a problem, except that people seem to have fixed ideas about what a music game should be.

phisheep

DO WANT!
Man, the Wii is a timewaster. There goes lots of boring evenings.

ZombiePuppy

Stop calling it a game. It's a toy. An experience without direction. You can talk down to Toys 'R' Us and buy a little instrument made of plastic that can make noise if you press it in time, too.

What makes a game? Goals and objectives which are successful when combined with player input.

Shake controller and press button for music to come out. Nope, pass. And ad looks doctored as hell, "Hey professional instrument player, mimic what this would look like if you actually played it as we dub in the music in the background synched to your movements. Genius!"

art_zombie

@phisheep: I thought it was only going to be a maestro kind of thing with classic Nintendo tunes and it already got me excited. Now I just want it no matter what.
And don't forget this is the internet. Here the universal language is hate.

God damn, I'm on fire today. I should write a novel or something.

ZombiePuppy

@ZombiePuppy: Sorry - probably went over the top a bit there! It's just this game seems to have generated an awful lot of hate (this board is a lot more muted than some) for no reason apparent to me.

Plus, it's fun to snipe back at some of the snipers!

Actually, what I'm most looking forward to in Wii Music - as a musician myself in a family of non-musicians - is the opportunity to play together.

phisheep

If this is the future of videogaming, I'll go and commit suicide now.

Spedfrom

I hate how they LIE in the ads. The Wii can't detect if you're hitting a left-er or right-er note just by moving your hand! You just waggle endlessly while moving Dpad and Analog stick.

Please, no one here buy this game. I cant imagine this game being of relevant interest to a fellow Kotakuite.

Alex_Mexico

The brilliant thing is...they'll just pipe in different audio and keep the exact same video for other commercials.

dowingba

@Alex_Mexico: "I cant imagine this game being of relevant interest to a fellow Kotakuite."

Well, there's six definites and four maybes in this thread so far, so your imagination could maybe do with a bit of a workout.

phisheep

@ZombiePuppy: Brilliant comment.

Does anyone remember the bell-ringing rhythm minigames in Zack & Wiki? Those are impossible with the wii-remote as is. It never picks up the motion accurately.

I don't know if the motion plus is really going to fix this, otherwise this game could be frustrating too... which is probably why it looks so gimped and plays a lot of the music anyway, regardless of what you do.

Chadders

@Chadders: It's not impossible, you just have to relax and try out different methods. I failed the first four times I tried it, but on the fifth time I picked it up, and I've since been able to play every song in the game nearly perfectly.

Allosteric

@Alex_Mexico: She is moving the analogue stick in some of the shots. I hadn't seen Wii Music before - looks pretty fun, but yes I twigged while watching the ad that they were faking it and movement didn't really affect the note. (Simply because it wouldn't possibly work, unless they only give you like 3 notes to choose from.) So I agree it's a misleading ad. But, maybe the text screen telling you how it worked was accurate?

@Chadders: Does Wii Music even support MotionPlus? I thought it didn't.

@phisheep: lol - awesome comment. (And I like twinkle twinkle little star!)

@daknight: not a diss, but for info: the word is 'pique'.

@mbeck: Really? The game doesn't sound like that? Again like I say I didn't look at this before so I don't know - but the sound quality in the ad isn't particularly incredible or anything. You mean the real game is worse?

quen

How uninteresting, maybe if they added 2 player battle, co-op, online, ability to create your own music, then it'll be more entertaining.

zerokoolpsx

anyone rmber hit stix?
[en.wikipedia.org]

phatnacky

Seventy comments, and only two have anything to do with the girl in the video? I'm... stunned...

Anyway, this looks rather stupid.

seafisch

Ok for all those in this that are defending the game and saying there going to buy it, how many of you have actuly seen the E3 presentation of this game and know how it actully plays and how many of you are basing it off this ad alone. If you havent seen the presentation and how it will play for real then i sugest you go watch it see how all you do is press a button on the remote and wagle it. Nothing ou actuly do makes a differene in this as long as your pressing a single button, even if you dont it still plays the music and no of the sounds that come out sound as good as what they do in that ad. This is why people are saying false advertising and bashing on the game. So go watch what it really plays and sounds like please.

Autilian

@Autilian: Oh I've been eating up media and news stories for this game for a while, trust me!

I actually think that the limitation that you addressed is the exact reason why it will become a large hit in many households, mine included. As I had mentioned earlier, I have a number of friends who WANT to be included in the fantastic fun that is rhythm games, but genuinely do not have the skills to do so.

So now a game comes around in which the inherent philosophy of the rhythm game remains the same - your body interacts to music and rhythm - however now persons of all skill levels can engage in the activity, instead of sitting frustrated on the sidelines, wondering how they can also join in and have fun.

I can certainly see why some people would not want to purchase this game, but I am at a loss for the intense amount of ire it has been generating.

eclipsegryph

@phisheep: Their rhythm games. The problem you'd have at a true "audio" game is latency. Because the audio signal has to originate from the wii, go to yoru television, go trough the air, then into your brain, you react, the wiimtoe generates a wifi signal, travels to the wii. All of these events take time. Unless you have a visual que your actions will always be a fraction of the second behind the games actions so you'd be continually out of synce by enough to annoy. I have a feeling wii music is a "mario paint" music synth mixed with a rhythm game as well.

kingmanic

I think we should all start taking bets on how much this is going to sell.

Deft_One

I sincerely hope this game dies a horrible horrible death. It's success will push gaming into more "gimmick" territory.

@eclipsegryph: Sing. Rock bank has variable difficulty and even the rythmless can humm enough to get by on the mic. Having brought it out and seen it at many house parties even being a tin-earned clutz doesn't stop you from having fun failing. If your too shy to fail at it then you probably wouldn't play it anyways.

kingmanic

@Autilian: "Nothing ou actuly do makes a differene in this as long as your pressing a single button"

You're wrong there. Check this out ...

+ Watch video

@eclipsegryph: With you all the way here.

It has just occurred to me that Wii Music really isn't a video game at all. It is an *audio* game.

With GH and RB and so on, you could play with the sound turned off, and it wouldn't make a difference to the gameplay. (Pah! Call that a music game?) They are video games. But with Wii Music, after you've selected your instruments and song, you could play with the *picture* turned off. Now that really is breaking new ground. I can't think of another game like it.

phisheep

@kingmanic: I don't think that follows. The latency won't be any greater - probably a lot less - than that in the old mechanical organ at Leipzig, and Bach got along fine.

Plus, doesn't exactly the same go for visual cues in ordinary games? Assuming you are about 10ft from the TV, the difference will be less the 1/100 of a second - too small to notice.

phisheep

Watch this post record sales numbers. You know it's going to happen. All the soccer moms, boppers and hipsters will rush to get one.

RyuriTatsujin

*Swims though the seas of haters*

You just don't get it, do you. This game is gonna be a blast to play with ANYONE. The sweet spot of the game isn't the fact that you don't need to master the controls to play something, it's about the interactivity with your people. If you're so anal about playing around with, you know, people you care about, just drink a few beers or something and just let go.

BigBooBuddy

That looks like the opposite of fun.

MeanMillz

Looks like it might be fun.

dogcow

I'll save everyone some cash.

Turn on the radio.
Pick up your Wiimote and Nunchuck.
Pretend your jamming with the song.

There, you now have an early copy of Wii Music. No need to thank me folks.

mfwahwah

For the people that didn't notice, this person is moving the wrong way to play higher/lower notes. On a marimba, like on a piano, the high notes are on a player's right, where in this video you see her waggling on her left for those notes. The Wiimote is unable to tell that you're playing wrong notes, even with the Wii Motion Plus.

True, this isn't the epic fail from E3, but there's no way this would be sold for full price if it wasn't Nintendo...

hitstun

Bash... dude... Samba de Amigo!

whiskey