@Does Not Equal: Good, job using a joke that has probably been posted in almost every thread or forum even related to this subject! I bet you feel special.

Gravnar

Curse you Bob, and your 100 roll!

Spooof

Damn Bob's loot whoring ass with all his DPS.

doing

Unless I get some special gear from these I don't see myself working too hard for the acheivements.

Flakor

from playing in the beta (my e peen bragging rights! +5 to e peen size!) i can say that some of the achievements aren't all that retroactive. my character that i transfered over didn't get the exploration ones unlocked. which, if this holds true over to the live servers that is going to suck balls.

@Talleh: yes there are achievements for all of the "old school" instances and raids.

halo00to14

It's really unfortunate that it doesn't track past boss kills. I know I really don't think the guild will be willing to roll back out and down Illidan just for the 5 or 10 points he'll give out to the raid's achievements.

However, much like people and cmmunities boosting achievements for people on Xbox live, I can totally see a bunch of 80s running "Achievement Raids" to go back and kill old world raid bosses for the achievements.

Why not, right?

PathRifter

"Man, I hate when Bob hogs all the credit."

You KNOW it was all my +5 charisma raising armor that enabled that victory, Bash...

(has never played WoW in his life)

bobtheduck

@Talleh: Who wants to do that the first time? =\

K-Squad! (Badass Edition)

Huh...I wonder if there will be achievements for all of the old 60 instances. I mean, who REALLY wants to have to go back and clear UBRS again? Or the Dungeon Set 2 quests? 45 minute Strat is just begging to be an achievement.

Talleh

So is the goal to get people MORE addicted to world of warcraft?

And secondly is that even POSSIBLE?

And thirdly why isn't blizzard being charged with child abuse.

And to finish it off, this isn't cliche at all... right.

K-Squad! (Badass Edition)

"Achievement Unlocked - Ripped Off Microsoft - 0g"

Does Not Equal

@bobtheduck: That Charisma armour did nothing, Bob, and you know it! If it wasn't for my insanely skilled healing, your charismatic ass wouldn't even get close enough to poke that dragon with a stick.
Just because you were quick enough to chop of it's head and cast a town portal, doesn't make you deserving of those microsof.. err.. blizzard points!

Nico8332

@Does Not Equal: Um no. Acctually Blizzard complimented M$ for there well done achivement system.

Blinklink11

Why does everyone hate me! Just because I'm better than you...

bobtheduck

Opps. Screwed up my acronyms. I meant DKP. Yeah I stopped playing awhile ago.

doing

@Gravnar: Super-special, baby.

@Blinklink11: Then why didn't they change the name? Even $ony had the decency to call it $omething el$e.

Does Not Equal

@bobtheduck: There's no such thing as Charisma in WoW.

Also, if I was going to be really shamefully pedantic, I could mention that there's no stat called Charisma in WoW either... ;)

SunScramble

@Does Not Equal:
How dare something good become commonplace!

elevenoverzero

Looking forward to these, getting them is fun on xbox live (Purely for the challenge), going to be cool doing wow ones and get free stuff.

Lexi00

"Sony adding Trophies to the PS3 is great for achievement whores. Sucks that you must go back and re-play your old PS3 titles to get those newly added Trophies."

Oh Ashcraft...

Garo

Blizzard says: "We were BORN with our shit together!"

Neer'mo

The simple answer for the lower level raid options is to make a few tweaks and allow level 80's to march through soloing, or in a group of five. I mean we've all seen the vid of the 3 guys doing Onyxia but I can see myself have a whole bunch of fun with that and my close core of friends who play together. Hell, there's plenty of the 40 man and 25 man raids I've never seen because I wasn't deeply into the raiding but I loved UBRS, Stratholme and whatnot. They were FUN!
And yes, Bob is a goddamn loot whore. Damn hunters thinking everything is theirs :D

Mattz

@K-Squad! (Badass Edition): Yeah, there's actually been a leak of some patch notes for WotLK that say for every hour spent online Blizzard injects you with Heroin through your computer. They also block you from playing unless you buy the IV yourself...

ArgentAngel

I resent the tie to Sony, the situations are not the same and it kinda kills the entire piece from the first word after the title. It's not like I can log in on my friends account then log back into mine and have his achievements, Sony made the right choice. I kinda miss the news Kotaku, all these new articles that try to be funny or clever just end up looking ridiculous.

Daizaru1

@halo00to14: Exploration achievements copy over fine, you must have missed a spot or two somewhere in the world. There's a checklist in the achievement panel somewhere, I think I was missing a single spot in all of Outland. In fact, the general rule of thumb is that you'll get credit for most things that can't be repeated (uncovering the map, getting a rep to exalted, completing quests) but not for things that can be repeated and can't be verified (e.g. daily quests, most activities in battlegrounds, most boss kills where there isn't an associated quest).

Green Armadillo

@Garo:
It's also incorrect.You don't have to play every game over to get trophies.On the development side,if you lock the game saves/tie to the psn id or have some asset in game that can tie to a trophy they will unlock retroactively.Hence,Warhawk,Pain and Bionic Commando are retroactive unlocks.Naughty Dog never locked the saves in the beginning,so that's why you have to play from the beginning.

enewtabie

No-one's pointed this out yet so:

Public Service Announcement
PS3 Trophy states for each game are stored on Sony servers. As PS3 saved games can be easily shared, they cannot be used retroactively apply Trophies, or else everyone could easily "cheat". As such PS3 games will typically require you to replay existing games you have already started. In this particular case, as World of Warcraft profiles are inherently stored on Blizzard servers, the achievements can be retroactively applied, without fear of the aforementioned "cheating"

Ahhh, the glory of the internets.

Scipher

Might want to point out that old-world hard to achieve...achievements don't actually grant points. Things like downing Van Cleef do, but C'thun or Illidan won't due to how hard it'll be to get groups to do the old content come expansion.

Ladi

@Does Not Equal: For the love of pete, would people stop saying this? Innovation doesn't always mean coming up with some brand new and completely unheard of idea, it means taking current ideas and making them work better/different.

But that aside, innovation doesn't have to happen ALL THE TIME. Henry Ford came up with the first car, but I don't see anybody going around bashing Toyota/Honda/Chevy/EVERY OTHER CAR MANUFACTURER EVER for ripping off his idea...

Give it a rest.

Norellicus

"But! Blizzard isn't making you go back and re-do a damn thing."

Dude you make it sound like a chore to go back and play Uncharted. This is the only old game that has trophie support and I think most people would love to go back and play it again. Warhawk will get its trophies but its not like you need to replay the game. Just enjoy it!

boots555

@SpeedNut:
When Uncharted went into development,there was no idea how trophies would work.The medal system was was thinking ahead since it's the basis for the trophies.

enewtabie

I find it a little disingenuous that they claim that they don't want the achievement system to change how people play, but rather "document" it... historically that's just not the effect of achievements at all, at least on a pretty wide set of gamers. You can use achievements to make people do anything. Add one for "stand in one place and jump 1500 times" and people will do it.

PositivelyGreg

"Sucks that you must go back and re-play your old PS3 titles to get those newly added Trophies. "

Only sucks if you like titles where the development team didn't think ahead in the first place. For as much as Naughty Dog is promoting the PS3 train, you think they would have known better.

Burnout and Warhawk are on the list of retroactive trophies that work.

SpeedNut

@Ladi:

This is why they said previously that there will be two categories of achievements. One will be the crap anyone can do at any point fairly easily and will directly add to whatever the hell they're calling their points, the other set is crazy stuff like having an AQ mount, having been on the quest for Atiesh or having x amount of rep with Scales of the Sands or Hydraxian Waterlords, having the titles they gave our for having done SSC/TK attunment, etc; ie things not easily attained now unless you're a masochist. The second group doesn't contribute to your points, but give you things people want even more like custom glow effects and all sorts of cool stuff.

They did this so people who have been playing the game since day 1 wouldn't have an "advantage" over newcomers, but still get to show their seniority and progress.

Honestly though I'd rather look way cooler than everyone else in game than have someone have to look st some page to see how many points I have; so it sort of backfires.

I'm just glad I have done all that crazy shit.

magnakaiser

If you could download WoW saves off GameFAQs that had all the achievements, it wouldn't be retroactive.

That's the difference.

chantastic

Maybe Sony should have hired Blizzard to come in and do their trophies.

These new achievements are going to help the game out. I mean, at least it will give you a reason to grind something anymore :)

macr0planet

@SunScramble: /rimshot

Calhoun

It's an MMO, get fraps and make a video. There's your achievement.

warf0x0r

Is it really a surprise they can give the achievements retroactively? All of the game data is stored online with Blizzard, so "cheating" it would be just about impossible.

Heyyou27

Are you just retarded or do you not understand that people gameshare with PS3 but not with WoW.

rbrtchng

@elevenoverzero: I find this funny. Mostly because when MS announced Avatars how much shit did they get for "stealing" the idea from Nintendo with Mii's and PS with Home, yet avatars have been around on other games and online forever now.

JP05

Yeah, the sony non retro trophies is the worst. There is no way I'm replaying Uncharted, MGS4, Rockband, (crappy ol) Enchanted Arms, Resistance, and whatever other games I have to get all the trophies I deserve.

I would play through those games for fun on occassion, but some of that crap was hard to do, and I don't have time to redo all that.

Kuebel33

@Does Not Equal: Yes, because the name really makes the difference when it is exactly the same. The only thing different between trophies and achievements are the name. That is so fantastic and it makes Sony's trophies 100 percent original.

Gravnar

burnout will have retroactive trophies. it was because the developer locked the game save to the psn id. but it doesn't really matter to me. also, um... cool about WoW, never played it.

s0njas0n

@Does Not Equal: TO borrow your example, the other car companies didn't name their vehicles "Model-T," either.
But they were all called automobiles and served the same function.

FalconMbuster

@Does Not Equal: So? PS3 has trophies. Isn't that bad, really.

@PathRifter: People are still runing Onyxia just they can stick her head on a pike in Org, so why not?

@halo00to14: It's a beta i.e. Unfinished. It might be live in the beta right now, but it may not be working. Thats what the feedback functions are for.

@Does Not Equal: "Then why didn't they change the name? Even $ony had the decency to call it $omething el$e."
O.o... Did you even read the linked article? They tried to think of something else; medals, goals, accomplishments, ect. They simply decided to leave it as achievements because they though it would sound weird any other way. It's would still serve the same function anyway. Electronic Male Enhancement.

@PositivelyGreg: Meh, thats not the majority. Most of the people who do get into the achievements don't tend to start going crazy with it before they feel like they've completed the game. This might lead to artificial lengthening the play time, but then again, most WoW players tend to to that to themselves. Myself included. I can't count how many times I've tried to make a costume out of the odd bits of equipment in the game cos I couldn't think of anything else.

FalconMbuster

@Norellicus: TO borrow your example, the other car companies didn't name their vehicles "Model-T," either.

Does Not Equal

You'll easily be able to 2 man Ony in WoTLK, probably could even solo.

Firemane

Anyone see the similarities to Warhammers Tome of Knowledge? With the whole "do strange things, get neat but useless rewards".

Of course, its no where near Tome of Knowledge in complexity and size, but still.

The_Phiphler

@FalconMbuster: You responded to me three times in two replies. Little heavy-handed there, boyo.

Does Not Equal

@Talleh:

PSHHHH, UBRS and LBRS were my favorite instances pre-BC.

I plan on soloing at 80... for achievements...

BrutalAssailant

I'm actually pretty excited about this. I'm not an achievement whore, but that's only because I don't own a PS3 or 360. Now that WoW is going to have achievements, I will officially become one.

ArgentAngel

We are tracking you, little brother.

Chewbenator

Awww, that's cute. WoW ran out of ideas again and is now ripping off CoH (and no, they didn't rip off Microsoft.)

wirebrain

@wirebrain: You care too much.

BostonK

Well, obviously Blizzard can do it. A person's account is closely tracked, and is locked. You can't go and transfer the actions you did on your account, but keep it.

With the Ps3, you can transfer the save files, so retroactive doesn't work.

Ad-hominem

Of course they can make it retroactive because you can't copy a WoW savegame to your friend and he will get all your rewards. Every information is user-bound on the Blizzard-servers. For the same reason Burnout will do retroactive Trophies and Warhawk will to some extent too. Now if they made every game retroactive and someone downloaded the 100% Uncharted Savegame from the internet and had all Trophies versus someone who really beats the game but is missing one thing that would completely make trophies useless that is why it is good the way it is. By the way, I had beaten Uncharted 3 times before and I am now halfway in Crushing and I enjoy it just as much as ever before. I am still curious to see what WoW Achievements I might have when they come.

ShakuntalaKhayln

@wirebrain: Yeah, well they ripped off DAoC. But, really MMOs ripped off other MMOs by doing something that has already been done.

Imo, this is pretty sweet, glad to see this coming.

Chaospluto