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Christians Getting Serious About Gaming
Posted by Mike Fahey at 12:40 AM on August 6, 2008
This month sees a big push among Christian publications around the country towards educating parents and families about the growing influence of video games in our culture. The focus of the push is a lengthy article by Christian journalist Steve Rabey titled "Getting serious about gaming - Impact of video game industry raises concern", and quite frankly it isn't at all what I expected. Instead of being a religious rant about the dangers of video game, Rabey's article offers varied points of view on the subject, especially when discussing video game violence and the effect it has on children.
Some researchers are convinced that repetitive play of violent games instructs kids in violence, making violent acts more likely. But others argue that video violence is a cathartic replacement for real violent crime, which has gone down since the advent of video games.
While the article does spend a great deal of time dealing with the issues of violent video games, calling out the usual suspects - Grand Theft Auto, Manhunt, etc., it also addresses the fact that there are constructive games out there like SimCity, social games that let you play sports like golf and baseball, and even games that are "just plain fun" like Guitar Hero. These are all titles you hardly ever see mention in writings dealing with the negative aspects of gaming, since so many choose to stick with the negative and forgo the positive completely.
Of course the article isn't without some more sensationalist speak, such as this tidbit from Pastor Kody Kirchhoff of the LiveWire Youth Ministries at Calvary Lutheran Church:
"Aside from the violence, obscenity and negative themes, the larger and greater problem lies in the fact that video games control many people's hearts and minds, creating a monotonous, zoned-out new reality,"
But even an accusation like this is quickly brought into focus by the follow up.
"God, family and friends do not exist in many games," he says. "Activities like camping, playing catch with Dad, swimming, or just being a kid have vanished."
The man has a point. I seem to remember a lot more children outside playing when I was a kid. After school you couldn't throw a rock without hitting a child, a fact that used to make my after school times truly special. While I don't think video games are to blame for the lack of kids screaming at each other outside my window every afternoon, I do think they make a very convenient babysitter for parents who don't have time to play with their children and are too terrified by the concept of child predators to let their babies go outside unattended. If anything, the mainstream media - who often target video games themselves - are to blame, scaring parents out of their minds with special reports about the dangers their children face crossing the street every day.
I digress. This isn't about my opinion. This is about the opinion being distributed to Christian newspapers this month, and the final message from Centre for Fathering CEO Carey Casey is one I can really get behind.
"Parents should place limits on children's media use, including when, where, and how much they can participate. And we should be ready to address common myths that are often portrayed in the media: such as the myths that to be worthwhile you have to be beautiful, that money buys happiness, that sex is merely recreation and has no consequences, and that violence solves problems."
Getting serious about gaming [ChristianExaminer Online]

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JohnnyV12
Posted 1:12 AM 6/8/08
I disagree with the points made about video games have zone people out, and have caused violence...but I do agree that kids need to have limits put on their video game play...I'm 24, and I grew up during the NES era of gaming...I'm a pretty avid gamer, and even when I was growing up I was still outside more than in....The same will go for my kids if i have any...gaming will only be allowed for 1-2 hours a day/night, and your butt is outside for the rest
JohnnyV12
trogam
Posted 1:12 AM 6/8/08
I'm glad the guy in the article says that parents need to limit their playing time. But so long as they don't try and push out the games I want to play after a long day of work, a long day in classes (College), after working out, after being social, then there aren't any issues.
As for his comment about violent video games...I played Duke Nukem 3D when it first came out...I was 8 years old then. I had no clue what half that stuff was about. All I Knew was that Aliens are bad, RPG's shouldn't be fired at monsters 5 feet in front of you, and the Devestaor was the quickest way to kill giant boss monsters. That and well..DNKROZ...FTW!
trogam
Chuco
Posted 1:11 AM 6/8/08
Being a catholic in these days and online, it seems like religion is usually the first to take shots from everyone. Of course can't always that we don't deserve it since the people that tend to get the most notice are the most close minded ones.
This is a good article to see from someone who does feel strongly about their convictions yet doesn't take it to the extreme. I mean afterall how can we expect to be out in the fire and not get burned.
Its the one thing that gives me hope. Calm and rational voices that understand that in any situation there are more than just one simple cause. Religion and Modern times can co-exist.
Chuco
Polterg3ist
Posted 1:10 AM 6/8/08
@JoRo1986: Hey, I respect your views, could you respect mine? I think it's in my country's constitution, or something.
Polterg3ist
Human Bomb
Posted 1:09 AM 6/8/08
After school you couldn't throw a rock without hitting a child, a fact that used to make my after school times truly special.
Human Bomb
Lawya
Posted 1:09 AM 6/8/08
@Quilt: Yeah, I used to play WoW too.
Lawya
Lazlo
Posted 1:09 AM 6/8/08
@stchoo:
Wow, a Samson reference. I am impressed. :)
The guy has a point. I used to play outside all the time when I was 4 or 5, then I got my NES. I also used to have a nice, natural Mediterranean tan, but that's gone too.
Lazlo
mrantimatter
Posted 1:08 AM 6/8/08
Now, I do aggree parents should limit their kids time spend gaming and get them out and active more often.
The last statement in the article is a mixed bag.
worthwhile = beauty: not really, its mor eimportant that your interesting.
Money buys happyness: No, but it can rent it.
Sex = recreation: Well yeah, but you have to let the kid know the downsides, as you sure as hell can't stop them from having it.
Violence solves problems: anyone find it strange the right says this then goes off starting wars?
mrantimatter
ysleiro
Posted 1:08 AM 6/8/08
@stchoo: Dude I swear. Samson really knew how to use a donkey. LOLz.. I can't remember if it was 1000 or 10000 though.
He also ripped off the city gates when he was trapped inside a city. jaja
ysleiro
LarryFabulous
Posted 1:07 AM 6/8/08
Remember when people just let well enough alone and minded their own business while everyone else did the same?
Er, maybe I've got my realities confused.
LarryFabulous
TitillatedOcelot
Posted 1:07 AM 6/8/08
@Gray665: Mortal Kombat: Revelations
TitillatedOcelot
CheechWizz
Posted 1:07 AM 6/8/08
'After school you couldn't throw a rock without hitting a child, a fact that used to make my after school times truly special.'
That line made my day.
CheechWizz
ViewtifulJason
Posted 1:07 AM 6/8/08
Newish-fangled forms of media always scare parents and religion. Always have, and always will.
ViewtifulJason
Nesagwa
Posted 1:07 AM 6/8/08
"After school you couldn't throw a rock without hitting a child"
Who throws a rock in a dirt clod fight?!
Nesagwa
Quilt
Posted 1:07 AM 6/8/08
"...greater problem lies in the fact that video games control many people's hearts and minds, creating a monotonous, zoned-out new reality"
I'd hate to say it, but I actually know people that that quote would apply to. I wouldn't consider that quote all that sensationalist, because...well...it's actually kind of true.
Quilt
handsinthepants
Posted 1:06 AM 6/8/08
Some researchers
ok some, not all...
handsinthepants
Phroby
Posted 1:06 AM 6/8/08
ZinkO:
Because you know how 10% of the population loves to legislate and attempt to perform mind control on the other 90% of the population.
Oh, wait...
Phroby
Killer_WaLrUs
Posted 1:06 AM 6/8/08
I do like the fact that it's pulling some emphasis off the usual suspects of GTA and Manhunt, and started focusing on games that are actually good. It's refreshing to see something that isn't bashing video games or trying to scare parents that they're children will grow up to be evil people because of the games they play.
Killer_WaLrUs
TitillatedOcelot
Posted 1:05 AM 6/8/08
@JoRo1986: The twist won't come from me. I'm kind of a non-practicing Christian, and I think the views expressed were for the most part fair and well-thought out. I can understand your apprehension though. Generally anything to do with religion seems to spark flame wars. Here's hoping a level-headed article will result in a mainly level-headed response from the readership here!
TitillatedOcelot
stchoo
Posted 1:05 AM 6/8/08
@ysleiro:
I'm surprised the donkey skull hasn't been better used in video games before. It is a weapon to be feared.
stchoo
dArk_stAr
Posted 1:05 AM 6/8/08
For once there is a gaming report from a group of Christians that has some perspective.
I have a little cousin whose 5 and loves video games. He's been playing since he could hold a controller. However, he also goes outside to play, often wanting to pretend to be Mario or hula hoop like on Wii fit. His parents are divorced, and I'm sure it's easier for the single parent to have their child play games in the next room. I think it's just about balance, though. And, playing Lego Star Wars at age 4, he had some pretty heavy questions about good and evil.
By the way, I used to play that "Bible Adventures" game when my family would go to Light and Life Christian Bookstore. Anyone else?
dArk_stAr
Phroby
Posted 1:04 AM 6/8/08
I think MORE parents need to keep their kids indoors. and locked up. in their rooms. really quiet like.
Even if it takes buying each one of them a Wii, PS3, and 360 and duct taping controllers to their hands.
Phroby
Rob Phelps
Posted 1:04 AM 6/8/08
I totally loved that Bible Adventures NES game. I highly recommend it for anyone who enjoys carrying sheep around.
Rob Phelps
ysleiro
Posted 1:04 AM 6/8/08
oh I forgot about David. He kicked butt too.
and also cheated on his wife. Not that I'm proud of that but it would make a cool story/lesson with a complex adult side to it.
ysleiro
Polterg3ist
Posted 1:04 AM 6/8/08
@Gray665: Nominated for best comment ever.
Oh, goodness, the great finisher moves that Jesus would have.
Polterg3ist
EmeraldDragon
Posted 1:04 AM 6/8/08
Another great irony being that the Bible is an incredably violent book. And if Passion of the Christ hadn't been about Jesus and instead just some random guy the Roman's crusified (they did that ALOT by the way, so it was hardly a special act in their eyes), people would have flipped their shit.
EmeraldDragon
ZinkO: Beat Incursion
Posted 1:03 AM 6/8/08
uh oh, TAKE COVER TAKE COVER
The article mentions religion, so huge atheist firestorm approaching!
MAN THE AIR RAID SIRENS!
ZinkO: Beat Incursion
jarjarwang
Posted 1:02 AM 6/8/08
@JoRo1986: Believe in whichever gods you wish. That is your right.
jarjarwang
ysleiro
Posted 1:02 AM 6/8/08
If they ever make a Bible game I want to be Samson..
that dude could kick butt !!!
I'm looking forward to downing 1000 soldiers with a donkey's skull !!!
ysleiro
goldwings
Posted 1:01 AM 6/8/08
"Aside from the violence, obscenity and negative themes, the larger and greater problem lies in the fact that video games control many people's hearts and minds, creating a monotonous, zoned-out new reality"
Kind of like church. The bible has almost all those things in it.
@jp182: It's a fad man, everyone says it.
goldwings
EmeraldDragon
Posted 1:00 AM 6/8/08
It's not that I wholy disagree with them, I think they ahve some fair points. But nothing irritates me faster then when people equate a certain religon with being a good person/parent/etc. Being a good parent, teaching you children restrain, manners, and to be productive memebers of socity have no baring on whether I worship God, Allah, or a blue plastic cockroach.
EmeraldDragon
Techknow
Posted 12:59 AM 6/8/08
After school you couldn't throw a rock without hitting a child
Wii Stone A Kid confirmed for fall '08
Techknow
Gray665
Posted 12:59 AM 6/8/08
Mortal Kombat vs. New Testament CONFIRMED!
Gray665
Kenji-sama
Posted 12:59 AM 6/8/08
@JoRo1986: Of course, cause anyone with a dissenting view has gotta be crazy.
Kenji-sama
JoRo1986
Posted 12:57 AM 6/8/08
Awesome stuff. I'm a hardcore Christian gamer and it's nice to see an article like this. Thanks, Fahey, for reporting this!
Now let's see how some of the crazies around here twist this to put Christians or conservatives in a bad light. I'm waiting for something akin to, "YES, but ask them their views on evolution!"
JoRo1986
adventlife
Posted 12:54 AM 6/8/08
I already thought they were serious about games. I was just down at the vatican the other day and I swear I saw the pope headshot someone on Halo 3.
adventlife
jp182
Posted 12:54 AM 6/8/08
@PsycheE: i actually see kids outside playing ALOT. Where do you people live that kids aren't outside playing this summer?!?!?
jp182
jp182
Posted 12:53 AM 6/8/08
@LittleBigPlaneteer: hehe you're crazy. None of the established and well known developers can make that game. They would get bombed a week after the trailer went up.
jp182
Kenji-sama
Posted 12:52 AM 6/8/08
Have a Total War game about the wars in the Old Testament...seriously, have you read that stuff? It's like an alternative to Art of War for tactical reading. It's the least boring part of the book.
Kenji-sama
FP Bleentastic has cake
Posted 12:51 AM 6/8/08
@LittleBigPlaneteer: yea but would you have a mongoose and could you pick up chicks in it?
FP Bleentastic has cake
TrjnRabbit
Posted 12:50 AM 6/8/08
I have to admit, this comment here is just too damn tempting to attack:
"Aside from the violence, obscenity and negative themes, the larger and greater problem lies in the fact that video games control many people's hearts and minds, creating a monotonous, zoned-out new reality,"
But I think restraint is necessary here.
TrjnRabbit
PsycheE
Posted 12:50 AM 6/8/08
I was never allowed to turn on any T.V. or play videogames during the day of rest. How times have changed.
Playing catch with dad?, rofl. Do you see any kids outside playing street hockey or even throwing any type of balls around?. Everyone is glued to a screen.
Mr. Casey is just regurgitating a simple perspective of a life that is supposed to be "healthy" and "happy, but I am pretty sure my utopia is quite far from yours. His statement should be realized for kids before 10, not an emphasis when your past 30's. It's as if he is saying" hey look, 1+1=2; did you get that?"
PsycheE
Combichristoffersen
Posted 12:49 AM 6/8/08
Nowadays you have kids screaming at each other over Xbox Live instead of having kids screaming at each other outside your window.
Combichristoffersen
Jwb0711
Posted 12:49 AM 6/8/08
@skrame ☆:
I wouldnt say they'ra behind. They have some valid points.
I mean come on, you want to tell me that a 12 year old playing GTA IV and going t o th e stripper club or having sex with a prostitute isnt going to be like oh cool!
Anyways that's my two cents. And I'm a christian as well.
Crappy parenting is the reason for these problems today.
Jwb0711
IronsUK
Posted 12:48 AM 6/8/08
"Aside from the violence, obscenity and negative themes, the larger and greater problem lies in the fact that video games control many people's hearts and minds, creating a monotonous, zoned-out new reality,"
This is completely true. My wife tells me I'm zoned out whenever I'm on the Xbox 360.
IronsUK
LittleBigPlaneteer
Posted 12:47 AM 6/8/08
I'm not lying when I say I want 10 Commandments: The Game. I could be Moses, and have all types of awesome superpowers. I could part oceans, turn your river into blood, take your staff and make it a snake, and make it rain frogs! FROGS! That's awesome and you know it,
LittleBigPlaneteer
surrealistgesture
Posted 12:47 AM 6/8/08
Where's The Passion of The Christ Wii game with realistic whipping motions? I'd buy that.
surrealistgesture
skrame ☆
Posted 12:44 AM 6/8/08
These guys are behind. I'm a Christian, and I've been serious about gaming for years.
skrame ☆
MasonL87
Posted 1:37 AM 6/8/08
2 Words: Parental Responsibility.
MasonL87
jamesbong00spliff
Posted 1:36 AM 6/8/08
Bible + Violence = Bible fight.
[www.adultswim.com]
jamesbong00spliff
SkutSkut
Posted 1:33 AM 6/8/08
Violently violent games are violent.
SkutSkut
Kazzahdrane
Posted 1:33 AM 6/8/08
@Antiterra: I love how the warriors of God have lightsabers. The game looks absolutely horrible, but the FMV with the main characters leaping around is pretty cool!
Kazzahdrane
Draftbaboon
Posted 1:32 AM 6/8/08
@ZinkO: Beat Incursion:
ism's are bad, the wii proves this.
Draftbaboon
Ninegauger
Posted 1:31 AM 6/8/08
I know... but turning the other cheek and siding with the all powerful is kind of... unfair... someone should really try and make a good Christian game. If games are truly art then it should be possible to convey the ideas and ideals of the largest religion in the world.
Though a game where you try and stop the effeminate hero and his ragtag group of adventurers from killing God (like in so many JRPGs) would probably be a good start.
Ninegauger
markusdragon
Posted 1:30 AM 6/8/08
Anyone who's been a MMO player should know what he means by "monotonous, zoned-out new reality".
markusdragon
Daisuash
Posted 1:29 AM 6/8/08
@EmeraldDragon: Agree with you, i´m an atheist and i haven´t kill/raped/steal nobody and i think i´m a pretty good example for my little brother, there´s no need to worship someone or follow a religion to know what´s right...
@trogam: My little brother has played since he was 4, he started with a SNES and a N64 we had (he´s ten now) but then around 6 or 7 he started to play xbox and ps2 (most of my games are M) and now he´s awesome in Gears of War and plays a lot of GTA IV; I don´t think there´s anything wrong with letting a child play M rated games, unless is a mental-ill child who can´t separate reality of fiction, he kills, goes to strip clubs and do all the stuff you have to do in the game, and he isn´t fucked up, he´s a very good student and a normal child (and he doesn´t care about religion too) so i think the usual warning signs everyone talks about are bullshit. And he said he would thank Little Jacob when he graduates from 5th grade for teaching all he knows :P...
Daisuash
antialias02
Posted 1:28 AM 6/8/08
@j00s: Perhaps this will be a step in the right direction: if more Christians can be convinced video games aren't the devil's work, the market for such a game as you describe will blossom.
All in all the article is interesting: it's nice to see a media perspective of gaming that doesn't fly off the handle, make wild assumptions and arrive at even wilder conclusions with no base in reality.
I mean, we've come to expect it - so this is a pleasant surprise. And you have to remember that this is an article aimed at *other Christians*... not the public at large. Of course some Kotaku Kommenters aren't going to agree with *all* the points.
But you have to give it that this is probably some of the best attention games have gotten in a while, especially regarding video game violence and games' impact on kids.
antialias02
Weirdwolf
Posted 1:28 AM 6/8/08
Hmm, I wonder how they feel about playing populous?
Weirdwolf
Kazzahdrane
Posted 1:25 AM 6/8/08
MOSES!!
...I mean...NOAH!!
Interesting article, especially since it's fairly level-headed and not particularly inflammatory.
Kazzahdrane
ysleiro
Posted 1:25 AM 6/8/08
@surrealistgesture: You know what? Your are right. I forgot.
Still, even more impressive.
ysleiro
StormdragonBlue
Posted 1:24 AM 6/8/08
Super Noah's Ark 3D: Waterworld confirmed!
All jokes aside. He has good points but non of it is really new. Nothing will change till parents actually start parenting again instead of letting mr. VCR/DVD player and uncle TV do it for them.
StormdragonBlue
Weirdwolf
Posted 1:24 AM 6/8/08
@stchoo:
Well it would have to be nerfed as it would be massively over-powered and kill the game mechanics, perhaps just using the jaw bone of an ass would be better?
Now who could we get to play the part of Delilah in the inevitable movie adaptation, I mean the Rock has to be Samson it's a rule in bad video game movies that the Rock is in them and they are direct by toilet Boll.
Hmm, Uwe Boll's "Old Testament" now there is a movie I'd pay to watch.
Weirdwolf
bugashi
Posted 1:24 AM 6/8/08
Nice to see a Christian report doing anything but an all games are bad approach to the subject, and actually having valid points and not half baked theories that make me some freak of nature. Now if only that could translate to them making better Christian games, rather than shoving too much of the bible into something and giving it crap controls or specs that most systems can't really handle... Oh, and actually applying for a console development license *glares at Wisdom Tree*.
bugashi
surrealistgesture
Posted 1:23 AM 6/8/08
I thought it was the jawbone of an ass, not the whole skull...
surrealistgesture
Antiterra
Posted 1:23 AM 6/8/08
@Yas: You mean this bad boy: [www.gametrailers.com] ?
The arch-villain Wacky Protester is probably the greatest videogame villain ever created.
"The full armour of God! Never leave home without it!"
Antiterra
j00s
Posted 1:20 AM 6/8/08
Darn, based on the title of this article, I was hoping that there was a company taking the creation of Christian games seriously.
I've endured thousands of hours of pseudointellectual, wannabe-philosophical JRPG bullshit, so would I play a well-designed game based on Christian mythology and ideals?
Hell yes.
j00s
ysleiro
Posted 1:20 AM 6/8/08
@Polterg3ist: Thats already been done. Doom 3. jaja
ysleiro
trogam
Posted 1:19 AM 6/8/08
@tooji: I think your prediciton will come true when the people who played NES growing up end up in positions of power...in like 30 some odd years?
trogam
NiceMissMayonnaise
Posted 1:18 AM 6/8/08
@Kenji-sama: Slightly different tactical reading, as the army with God on their side tends to have a bit of an advantage, usually not having to do anything more tactical than slaughter the opposing army after God knocks down their city/makes them attack each other in the night/flat out makes them lose.
NiceMissMayonnaise
ninjafetus
Posted 1:17 AM 6/8/08
@Polterg3ist: Assuming you're in the US, I pretty sure your country's constitution doesn't say a word about other people respecting your views.
ninjafetus
Polterg3ist
Posted 1:17 AM 6/8/08
@ysleiro: Then, the sequel could go to MARS!
Polterg3ist
EmeraldDragon
Posted 1:16 AM 6/8/08
@mrantimatter:
Sex = recreation: Well yeah, but you have to let the kid know the downsides, as you sure as hell can't stop them from having it.
I think this is one of those things religon should stay out of. I'm from the deep south where they think the only appropreate sex-ed class is one talking about abstinence. Talk about babies and STD and condoms are all greeted with gasps of horror...and then people wonder why our Teen pregnancy rate is so high.
EmeraldDragon
ninjafetus
Posted 1:15 AM 6/8/08
@Rob Phelps: Man, Noah was RIPPED in that game. He could carry something like 5 livestock above his head simultaneously. And then, in Noah's stunning jump to 3d, he lost all of that strength and got... a slingshot with sleepy food? Wisdom Tree really needs to work on it's continuity.
ninjafetus
ysleiro
Posted 1:15 AM 6/8/08
Now for a scary bible game they should make the book of Revelations/Apocalypse.
Thats a scary and twisted book right there !!! (I have read it several times and yet I'm left dumbfounded still).
A lady fighting a dragon, ladies standing on top of beasts, burning cities, watching Gabriel kick Satan's butt, a beast with 7 heads and 10 horns.
The only part that sucks is that the Earth would have to be practically destroyed. Not cool.
ysleiro
Yas
Posted 1:14 AM 6/8/08
I wonder if we will see more BIBLEMAN THE VIDEOGAME!
Yas
gibfather
Posted 1:13 AM 6/8/08
@TrjnRabbit: In many ways it's true. When my wife is trying to tell me something while I'm playing a game, I don't hear her and sometimes that's the cause of many arguments or misunderstandings. But there are solutions to that problem such as me pausing the game or her just waiting till I'm done.
In either case, I think the point being made is that gaming for many can become an idol that can consume their lives. I've read so many posts from people who would go ballistic if their parents took their games away from them, even when their parents had a good reason to do so.
gibfather
Human Bomb
Posted 1:13 AM 6/8/08
@Human Bomb: I See what you did there!
Human Bomb
tooji
Posted 1:13 AM 6/8/08
When people start accepting video games as an interactive work of art or a common form of media and not just "that stuff kids play on rainy days" we will always have articles like this but to me this article was a good one.
It shows us that they, "the mainstream audience that is too old for video games" are starting to accept video games for what they are and are stopping the whole "video games will mind-rape your kids" kinda thing.
tooji
Badben
Posted 2:00 AM 6/8/08
It surprises me to agree with the conclusions of an investigation into games that is conducted by a Christian group, but agree I do.
I'm a keen gamer, getting on a bit now, but my 5 year old son doesn't play at all. It's tempting for me to push the controller into his hands as it's something I like, but actually he shows little interest at the moment, and the way I see it he's got PLENTY of time for games yet, he's better off at this early stage learning to deal with real risk, riding his bike, falling out of trees and so on.
I didn't get my first games system (an Atari 400; bring back Joust!) until I was about 10. An outdoorsy start in life is a good start in life. I'll headshot him on Halo3 or Halo 5 or whatever when he's older :-)
Badben
Zookey
Posted 1:59 AM 6/8/08
Hmm. I really cringed when I saw the headline (and I am born again--not ashamed of being a Jesus Freak just ashamed of other people around me who claim to be in God's fan club) but actually this was a good article. I am an indie game developer (selfish plug: check out our team's site at www.teamkaizengames.com /endselfishplug) and, for the longest time, I worked for another indie developer who was trying to break into the 'Christian Game Market' and, wow, hehe sad part is that I have gotten more support (both help and verbal support) from non-christian studios than we did the 'CHristian Game Industry'---so it is very weird--especially for a dude like me who, like I said, am not ashamed of my beliefs, but I am a hardcore gamer too (and game designer) and that brings me into conflict with your traiditonal religious right people.
@Alucrix ---hehe there is already Christian metal (or, rather bands that are secular but all the members are Christian) in current music games--FLyleaf is in Rockband, POD was in some of the Amplitude or Frequency games--I keep hoping that Rock Band or Guitar Hero recognizes the awesomeness that is Skillet--a lot of their songs would be epic hehe :-)
Zookey
fearing
Posted 1:59 AM 6/8/08
Oh man, I had that Bible Adventures game back when I was a kid, that was so awesome. As Noah you could carry four animals stacked on top of your head and run around at like 80 miles an hour. Crazy fun.
fearing
Combichristoffersen
Posted 1:55 AM 6/8/08
@GusherKid:
Nietzsche killed God way back in 1882. Get with the times :D
Combichristoffersen
Weirdwolf
Posted 1:54 AM 6/8/08
@adventlife:
Are you sure that it was Halo 3? I heard he was into some old school Call Of Duty.
Weirdwolf
ThursdayNext
Posted 1:52 AM 6/8/08
@adventlife: Yeah, but the Pope's not a proper gamer. He always scopes. What a n00b.
ThursdayNext
Alucrix
Posted 1:51 AM 6/8/08
Interesting views, very contemporary, perhaps some politicians should take a look at this instead of crucifying games everytime a shoot out happens.
I might dream, but a Guitar Hero: Christian Rock Edition would totally be awesome, not to mention take away some stigma from videogames as being unreligious. I would buy that instantly :)
Alucrix
Gray665
Posted 1:48 AM 6/8/08
@GusherKid: Looking down on people who are not Christian? Yeah, those sure were the days... /end sarcasm
Gray665
Weirdwolf
Posted 1:48 AM 6/8/08
@GusherKid:
Try telling people that you are an atheist and see some of the reactions you get.
Ah, the happy go lucky days when even if they were good people it was fine to look down and mistreat people because they didn't share your religious beliefs,homosexual, they were a different colour,foreign, mentally or physically disabled or in some way different.
Oh yes I sure miss those days, last Monday I believe it was.
Weirdwolf
Weirdwolf
Posted 1:43 AM 6/8/08
All this talk of religious gaming makes me think of the truly awful and hate filled "left behind" game that was released a while back.
Weirdwolf
Ettie
Posted 1:43 AM 6/8/08
Might have already been said, but *jawbone* of a donkey. Makes for a cooler looking weapon, no?
Ettie
vig0r
Posted 1:42 AM 6/8/08
@JoRo1986:
I totally agree,belief in science and empirical evidence is for absolute idiots,truly smart people believe in a supernatural being that they have never seen nor have any proof for!
vig0r
Ryodestined
Posted 1:42 AM 6/8/08
This wasn't as offensive to me as I thought it would be. I can agree with some of it. The "Family" as a whole has degraded do to societal demands and everyone is to blame. Video games are just a by-stander and it's getting turned into a scapegoat.
Ryodestined
Mohican
Posted 1:40 AM 6/8/08
@antialias02: someone bought the "Christian" stereotype - hook, line, and sinker. What's amazing is, that, all these people pontificating about the future of the erosion of ignorance reveal, is that they are woefully bigoted and ignorant themselves.
Mohican
Polterg3ist
Posted 1:40 AM 6/8/08
@j00s: Like that whole debacle with the Left Behind RTS. That's what NOT to do.
Polterg3ist
ThatGuyOverThere
Posted 1:40 AM 6/8/08
@Rob Phelps: @dArk_stAr:
I'ver said it here before, and I'm sure I'll say it again...
I'm from an extremely religious family, k? One time I was at a local flea market with my dad and i kept bugging him to buy me a game for the NES. He kept refusing. Then he saw Bible Adventures... he said he'd buy it. I called his bluff. He bought it. Just to spite him, I played it like crazy and monopolized the tv for a few days. What could he say? I was doing bible stuff, right?
And yes, I still have the cartridge 16 yrs or so later.
ThatGuyOverThere
GusherKid
Posted 1:38 AM 6/8/08
Remember when being Christian was the default in America and we looked down on people that tried to rebel against it? Those were the days. Now websites speak of religious folk as weirdos that surely don't do anything fun like play video games and live to complain about everything! Yahooooooo what an age we live in!
GusherKid
j00s
Posted 1:37 AM 6/8/08
@antialias02: "...if more Christians can be convinced video games aren't the devil's work, the market for such a game as you describe will blossom."
I honestly believe that the market already exists. For the most part, people will play fun, good-looking games, regardless of content. As long as a quality Christian game wasn't aggressively marketed as being Christian, I could see it turning a profit.
j00s
GrrSnort
Posted 1:37 AM 6/8/08
I actually think this guy did a great job. He brings up valid points without being largely inflamatory. Great job, sir.
GrrSnort
Profondo
Posted 2:26 AM 6/8/08
Cooking Mama: Last Supper Edition!
Profondo
Daisuash
Posted 2:24 AM 6/8/08
@GusherKid: And do you still wonder why people doesn´t like you???
@Gambia: I couldn´t have said it better, best comment of the week...
Daisuash
TWentt37
Posted 2:23 AM 6/8/08
If we had some good christian developers we'd have some good christian games...the bible has plenty of material for games...
TWentt37
Pigmartyr
Posted 2:21 AM 6/8/08
I've actually played Bible Adventures on the NES. It was pretty fun, and I'm not talking in the fanatical zealot way you are thinking.
Pigmartyr
TalKeaton
Posted 2:15 AM 6/8/08
It's a personal goal of mine to make a game that examines following Jesus in a way that doesn't immediately turn people off and is actually fun. It's going to be ridiculously difficult, but whatever. It can be done.
Anyway, about this article: Yea, electronic media has replaced a lot of former child's play, which is why limits are a good idea. Video games, contrary to popular belief that I STILL hear often from my fellow Christ-minded amigos, are not necessarily extraordinarly violent or harmful to children (though some are, and should be regulated accordingly). It's an odd balance, God and gaming, but there must be a way to put the two together in a fun and actually appealing way.
TalKeaton
vig0r
Posted 2:12 AM 6/8/08
@Gambia: You sir are now the creator of the best quote ever :D
vig0r
Gambia
Posted 2:08 AM 6/8/08
"God, family and friends do not exist in many games"
This isn't right.
All three exist in lots of games, whereas only two of the three exist away from games.
Gambia
DarkMasterTonberry
Posted 2:05 AM 6/8/08
"Aside from the violence, obscenity and negative themes, the larger and greater problem lies in the fact that video games control many people's hearts and minds, creating a monotonous, zoned-out new reality,"
Replace "video games" with the word "religion" and it all makes more sense.
My parents where christian and they got me Bible Adventures when I was a little kid! That game was so fun! Collecting all the animals to Noaks Ark, stacking them together with bananas, vegetables and "god-knows-what". :)
DarkMasterTonberry
fearing
Posted 2:05 AM 6/8/08
@j00s: Ya know, Diablo isn't TOO far off from having Christian themes... in a fantasy sort of way.
fearing
antialias02
Posted 2:44 AM 6/8/08
@Gambia: If this were slashdot, you'd probably be getting modded down for "flamebait", sir. And at the same time, modded up for "funny" no doubt. (In before: LOL NOT SLASHDOT).
@j00s: That's true, but I've a feeling that any Christian developer who wanted to put out a game with strong Christian themes would have a hard time masking that, short of making it completely allegorical. I mean, look what CS Lewis did with the Narnia series. I suppose that's proof of your point, though. His books were deliberately Christian in nature, but people on all ends of the faith spectrum read and enjoy them.
So perhaps a similarly-created video game would go over better than I originally had supposed.
antialias02
leonardozimbres
Posted 2:44 AM 6/8/08
Once again Kotaku writers surprise me that you guys are not blind for what is happening. Any other game writer would make a huge critic without thinking twice.
leonardozimbres
LoopyChew
Posted 2:42 AM 6/8/08
@Combichristoffersen: The difference being that in one situation, you're screaming at the middleman between two actual people, and the other, you're actually screaming at a person.
Believe it or not, it does make a difference.
LoopyChew
TheGuilty1
Posted 2:42 AM 6/8/08
Haha I remember Bible Adventures for the Nintendo. If my memory serves me correctly the catridge was blue.
TheGuilty1
Gene-ius
Posted 2:40 AM 6/8/08
Seriously, a Total War game based on the Old Testament would be awesome. I imagine the chief focus of the game would be the rise (and eventual fall) of the Israelites as a nation, because that's what they did: march around that area of the world, taking out the surrounding tribes by means of their trump card (God. And Joshua, who was beyond cool). We could relive the trials of the Judges, particularly Samson, Saul and David's military campaigns, rebuilding and repopulating Jerusalem 70 years after Babylon torched it . . .
Seriously, this is some quality material. :D
Gene-ius
BrickTamland94
Posted 2:40 AM 6/8/08
@Kenji-sama: Maybe you could have special units in a rock-paper-scissors type manner, like buying Goliath and obliterating enemy infantry, but a David unit would knock him off his ass?
BrickTamland94
goddessakasha
Posted 2:38 AM 6/8/08
Meh... more of the same useless drivel...
And if you want to see a ton of kids playing outside, you should be where I live. Those kids are out there screaming and yelling until the sun goes down.
Sensationalizing video games by saying they are keeping kids inside and they are no longer interested in playing video games only adds to the problem.
goddessakasha
mlubczyk
Posted 2:37 AM 6/8/08
Just like in books, movies, et cetera, a good game needs to have some sort of conflict, which usually translates to violence of some sort.
Look, I like serving in soup kitchens in real life, because I'm helping real people. A game where you serve ina soup kitchen wouldn't be very fun.
I expect games to entertain me, not reflect reality.
This is something I don't get aboutAngolican culture. They expect the media to instills norms and mores into their children:
"If you have to rely on the media to teach your children right from wrong, then you have utterly failed as a parent."
mlubczyk
Absent Blue
Posted 2:36 AM 6/8/08
This guy should play Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne. That'd be a hoot. He'd probably get a kick out of Metatron being one of the last bosses.
Absent Blue
trogam
Posted 2:33 AM 6/8/08
@Daisuash: Because I understood the game was fantasy and not real, my dad saw no issue with letting me play the games. My mom was quite shocked wehen I told her, "Hey look what I can do!" As I handed dollar bills to strippers. My dad on the other hand laughed and said that I didn't know what was going on. True, I didn't know what was going on for a couple more years... But really, it comes down to parenting. And it sounds like you sir are doing a good job.
trogam
Jessup
Posted 2:28 AM 6/8/08
I actually found a copy of Bible Buffet at an old goodwill shop the other day. It was 2 bucks and it still had the box and the original quiz book with it. I actually haven't been able to test it out yet, but it was still a pretty sweet find.
Jessup
Ariel_Wollinger
Posted 3:14 AM 6/8/08
I only don't believe in one less god than you christians...
Ariel_Wollinger
Ariel_Wollinger
Posted 3:14 AM 6/8/08
@Gambia:
BEST
QUOTE
EVER!!!
SUCK ON THAT CHRISTIANS.
Ariel_Wollinger
Meldy
Posted 3:13 AM 6/8/08
All the Christians are rocking out to Iron Maiden's Number of the Beast on Guitar Hero 3.
I just knew it.
Meldy
Ariel_Wollinger
Posted 3:12 AM 6/8/08
What the fucking christian fanatics want is to control content of all games. Mark my words...
Ariel_Wollinger
Ariel_Wollinger
Posted 3:12 AM 6/8/08
@IronsUK: so not true.
Ariel_Wollinger
Ariel_Wollinger
Posted 3:11 AM 6/8/08
there are a lot of "christian" games around.
If you take into account Alone in the dark, Assassin's Creed, and others, all of them are based on the same myths the christians believe.
Ariel_Wollinger
Ariel_Wollinger
Posted 3:09 AM 6/8/08
god sucks
Ariel_Wollinger
Mr Nood1e
Posted 2:59 AM 6/8/08
@Gambia: Well just because the ideas of God/family/friends might exist to some extent in games, you don't get the same interaction and experiences that you do in real life, and I think that was what he was getting at.
Mr Nood1e
jmsalal
Posted 2:57 AM 6/8/08
@j00s:
Too bad that "Left Behind" game seemed to make such a farce of the source material...
jmsalal
LordChris915
Posted 2:54 AM 6/8/08
They should make their own games, I can see it now.
Heaven Vs Hell RTS?
Halo?
Resistance: fall of Lucifer
Spore: Divine Intervention Expansion pack
LordChris915
Gray665
Posted 3:40 AM 6/8/08
@Ariel_Wollinger: I'm an atheist and even I think you should get the banhammer. Seriously, you're not going to convince anyone that their beliefs are misguided on a videogame blog. Let people believe what they want. Atheists like you give the rest of us a bad name.
Gray665
incazteca
Posted 3:39 AM 6/8/08
Oh yes, because all kids can go out and play and not have to worry about being home before dark or else they have to be dodging real bullets and not virtual ones. Seriously, times have changed. Growing up my parents wouldn't let me out of the house most of the times because of the gang violence and random gunshots on the streets. Some of us just had to stay indoors because that was just one of the safer places to be without having to become a portion of the nightly news. Doesn't matter what your religion is.
incazteca
TheDollHouse
Posted 3:35 AM 6/8/08
My parents where quite over protective growing up. I wasn't allowed to go out side much. My mom totally freaked when I fell when I was trying to learn how to rollarblade. Then my dad now adays wonders why I'm not a huge fan of sports or the outdoors.
TheDollHouse
bwwardiii
Posted 3:33 AM 6/8/08
@jp182: I think EA could probably withstand a couple bombings and be fine...who knows?
bwwardiii
j00s
Posted 3:30 AM 6/8/08
@Ariel_Wollinger: Assassin's Creed is just set during the Crusades, located in the "Holy Land". The Crusades actually happened and those cities existed...hardly things that could be considered "myths that the christians believe". As far as I remember, the Christians don't believe in DNA memories any more or less than other people.
As for Alone in the Dark, it's such a weak mish-mash of occult crap. We've seen the same, lame "lol demons" plot over and over and over again; by your reasoning, Doom is the pinnacle of Christian gaming.
I suppose it's a bit much of me to ask developers not to take Christian mythology so literally. Exploring the human condition through a filter of the history and values of any religion is far more difficult to make into a blockbuster than the tried-and-true formula of "pentagrams + blood + demons = sales".
j00s
jrleek
Posted 3:27 AM 6/8/08
@Quilt:
>"...greater problem lies in the fact that video games control many >people's hearts and minds, creating a monotonous, zoned-out new >reality"
>I'd hate to say it, but I actually know people that that quote >would apply to. I wouldn't consider that quote all that >sensationalist, because...well...it's actually kind of true.
I agree, in fact, I think that's the most dangerous thing about video games. I know a lot of guys, friends, in my age range (20-28) who basically do nothing except play WoW. (Some play other games, but Wow is definitely the worst offender I know of.) If they have a job, it's some minimum wage thing they just do so they don't have to work too hard and they have plenty of time for games.
I think a comparison to drugs is appropriate for these guys. Drugs imitate happiness, games imitate achievement. Males are very achievement oriented, we want to accomplish things. Many games give us that achievement without requiring hard work or the development of any useful skills. Hence, many men become addicted to the cheap 'hits' of achievement one gets from many games.
I think is also relates to our bizarre education system in the US. There seems to be a point around puberty (~13-16)where males become very interested in respect, responsibility, and accomplishment. So, what do we do with them? Lock them in a prison (school) where they cannot see any real world results from their efforts for many years, and group competition (which particularly appeals to males) is strictly curtailed to a few gifted athletes. We don't allow them to do anything that is valuable in the real world. (Child labor!) What can they do? Well, they can play video games....
jrleek
I_AM_D
Posted 3:26 AM 6/8/08
Heres the thing, my kid brother is 14, and my mam GOT him a 360 to KEEP him from going out as much.
It's not the whole 'lazy parent getting cheap babysitter' thin.
Basically, there is a lotta scumbags in our neighborhood, whom my brother would hangout with and get into trouble with without the distractions of GTA, Crackdown, Gears, and whatnot.
Assuming he gets out of the 'rebellious teenager' phase of his and moves on, I think this could work as a temporary solution.
I_AM_D
mistersneak
Posted 3:24 AM 6/8/08
This proves once again that it isn't the "Christian Fundies" behind the movement against video games. It's political activists, soccer moms, and generally people who want some of the attention (money) based on what the video game industry is getting.
I'm a Christian and know tons of Christians who have nothing against video games, in fact, I don't know if there's a single family I know that is against video games.
There are, however, many families that are gung-ho about moderation in everything and making sure the parents are aware of their childrens' maturity level (and therefore what content is appropriate for them).
As for you dozens of atheist commenters simply taking this as an opportunity to say "lol god duzn't exist": Yeah, we know you don't believe in it. Thanks for the reminder.
mistersneak
Ariel_Wollinger
Posted 3:21 AM 6/8/08
@Ariel_Wollinger: Ooops, I've challenged outdoors to, holding a metal rod like penn and teller. Nothing happ..
ZAAAAAP!!!
Ariel_Wollinger
Ariel_Wollinger
Posted 3:20 AM 6/8/08
God is a wimp. I've challenged him to strike me with lightning indoors and it never happened. I guess he can't bend the laws of physics. EVER.
Ariel_Wollinger
Ariel_Wollinger
Posted 3:18 AM 6/8/08
@Bricked: That review was awesome! But the one I loved the most was about mario 2, where a mecha jesus saves the day!
Ariel_Wollinger
Ariel_Wollinger
Posted 3:17 AM 6/8/08
@Kenji-sama: C'mon!! there is lot's of fun in the Buybull!! You can learn to:
- Mistreat and disrespect women;
- Handle slaves properly, taking care not to kill them;
- Kill all those who don't believe what you believe, even if it is your brother;
- and many more awesome stuff,
just check deuteronomy, numbers, leviticus, to name a few...
Ariel_Wollinger
Bricked
Posted 3:16 AM 6/8/08
I wonder how Christians would feel about a Hellsing game where you played as Father Anderson.
@DarkMasterTonberry: you should check out the Angry Video Game Nerd's review of Bible Adventures.
Bricked
TDub301
Posted 4:04 AM 6/8/08
I disagree with the article. Sex is what you make it. Can definitely be recreational and without consequence, with the proper precautions :) Aside from that, I agree.
TDub301
Gambia
Posted 4:03 AM 6/8/08
@Mr Nood1e: Yes, yes. I know, It was just an attempt at being witty, quite frankly I'm suprised no one else picked up on it in the 100 or so comments prior to my own.
Gambia
P-Flute
Posted 3:55 AM 6/8/08
Wow, this is actually...mostly a smart article from what I've gathered.
"Aside from the violence, obscenity and negative themes, the larger and greater problem lies in the fact that video games control many people's hearts and minds, creating a monotonous, zoned-out new reality,"
Worth noting any longtime gamer with a lick of self awareness will see the slight truth in this. Shit, I've been playing for some 16 years and I won't deny that there are quite a lot of times where games practically work like drugs, blissing me out from having to pay any attention to real life for days at a time.
P-Flute
urutapu
Posted 3:53 AM 6/8/08
"God, family and friends do not exist in many games."
Family and friends exist in plenty of video games.
I didn't say God, because, well... Take any depiction of God in fiction; if said fiction is a video game the probability of God being evil and getting killed approaches 1.
urutapu
Polterg3ist
Posted 3:44 AM 6/8/08
@Gray665: Agreed.
@Ariel_Wollinger: Take a fucking chill pill.
Polterg3ist
Kuroomu
Posted 4:24 AM 6/8/08
Didn't you get to drown infants in Bible Adventures?
Kuroomu
Spiffyness
Posted 4:16 AM 6/8/08
@jarjarwang: Goodness gracious it's so nice to hear someone say that for a change. I just LOOOOOOVE how everyone accuses Christians of being bigoted, intolerant, closed-minded, and most importantly: not respecting other's beliefs. And yet isn't that just what you're doing if you hate on Christians? You're CLOSED-MINDED about the truth or untruth of their religion, you're INTOLERANT of any Christian views, and you don't RESPECT them at all. It's like "ooooh, EVERYONE can believe WHATEVER THEY WANT... unless you're a Christian. Then you're obviously an ignorant, stupid sheep who's delusional and can't think for yourself."
Such a double standard, people! I'll be happy to respect your right to have any beliefs you want, but YOU have to respect my right to think that YOU'RE WRONG. It's completely possible to think someone's wrong and still respect their opinion.
@vig0r: See, that's the kind of shit I'm talking about.
Spiffyness
SmokeFemur
Posted 4:14 AM 6/8/08
@TDub301: You have to understand he is speaking from a biblical perspective, and I would assume he is talking about pre-marrital sex.
SmokeFemur
luigilogik
Posted 4:51 AM 6/8/08
"..the larger and greater problem lies in the fact that video games control many people's hearts and minds"
what he forgot to add was ... "That's our job"
luigilogik
Crawl to China
Posted 4:49 AM 6/8/08
@Alucrix: HECKS YES. Needs some Disciple, Skillet, Demon Hunter, Cry of the Afflicted, Dead Poetic, Living Sacrifice, Project 86, and DEFINITELY some Tourniquet.
@Gambia: Don't be so hard on yourself, I'm sure you've got friends :D
@Ariel_Wollinger: Did..is...are you serious? What made you feel the need to say that? And what made you think you don't deserve the Banhammer of Justice®? Christians and non-Christians agree! That was pretty lame!
@the article: I'm happy to hear of another more balanced article. I get ticked off whenever I hear extremists rant about how video games are destroying America's youth. Video games have done nothing more than what TV or movies or heavy metal music have done.
To respond to the most sensationalist quote in the article: This zoned-out state was achieved decades ago with broadcast television. And programming nowadays is as equally depraved as GTA. Same goes for movies.
I would like to see some better Christian video games come out, but the trick is getting big studios to do them. Indie games can be good, but I haven't seen any truly great ones yet (anyone want to point me to some?) Maybe that's what 2K Boston is working on? :D
Crawl to China
Heromachine
Posted 4:44 AM 6/8/08
Christians, like myself, understand that children are susceptible to video game violence IF there is no other influence in their life. If a parent is not feeding their children wisdom then those children will get ignorance. Only then are games a danger. But like a gun, the danger comes from those who allowed that gun to reach their hands.
Yes, when is a SAMSON game coming. I think the suicide at the end would put a damper though...
A David and Goliath game. David is a shepherd and most of the game is an RTS. Fend of the beasts attacking your sheep. David slingshot as a weapon. Las Boss fight would be Goliath, but the shot would be a difficult one as you try to avoid Goliath bashing you in.
Heromachine
Radz
Posted 4:43 AM 6/8/08
I can see a game plan already... an FPS where you play as Jesus, gunning down dinosaurs, atheists, muslims and just about anyone else who opposes their claims... leaving the Bible creation story with magic trees and talking snakes as the only explanation at the end of the game.... Genius.
Radz
ninjafetus
Posted 4:35 AM 6/8/08
@Kuroomu: GOOD JOB, BUT YOU FORGOT BABY MOSES.
ninjafetus
bugashi
Posted 5:11 AM 6/8/08
@King Seafoam: AMEN!
bugashi
bugashi
Posted 5:10 AM 6/8/08
@Ariel_Wollinger: Just remember. While you're highly vocal in your "view" of there being no higher power than yourself, you've just made a total ass of yourself while doing so. The article more or less goes into how video games are playing a part in affecting people's way of life, and promotes how parents should be in control over what their kids play. It's not going into how the church should take down the companies that produce the games. Hell, it doesn't even pull "God hates video games, so you should too". Overall, you're throwing a punch at the air without any thought on what you're doing. If that was too much text for you, then I'll shorten it for easier understanding.
Read the thing before making a fool of yourself... oh, too late.
bugashi
Weirdwolf
Posted 5:08 AM 6/8/08
@Cam_Ras:
And he was a team killer.
Weirdwolf
Cam_Ras
Posted 5:01 AM 6/8/08
@ysleiro:
David also had to collect 1,000 Philistine foreskins for King Saul in order to marry his daughter. Goddamn fetch quests.
Cam_Ras
Gambia
Posted 5:00 AM 6/8/08
@Crawl to China: I was also anticipating that one.
Gambia
King Seafoam
Posted 4:58 AM 6/8/08
Thou shall not PWN
Thou shall not HAX
Thou must love thy N008s
Thou shall not T-bag
Thou must honor GG
Thou shall not camp
Thou shall not harass fellow players
Thou shall not betray thy neighbor
Thou shall not swear falsely by the name of HXC
Thou shall not PVP without warning
King Seafoam
Cam_Ras
Posted 5:32 AM 6/8/08
@Weirdwolf:
As to the Philistine foreskin collection, it would make a great Fallout 3 quest. Signature to the series, you could approach it the diplomatic way, the sneaky way, or the violent way, which was the method that David chose, I believe.
Cam_Ras
freetyme
Posted 6:00 AM 6/8/08
All right!
Hope this will cause some rumors about how a lot of faithful people feel about video games to dissipate.
Now, I want a racing game with Old Testament characters. (Elijah would be awesome with a chariot of flaming horses). Moses could have a speedboat that looks like a basket.
freetyme
Weirdwolf
Posted 5:47 AM 6/8/08
@Cam_Ras:
I did always wonder what Saul did with all those foreskins?
" No no it just looks like a wallet, when I rub it it turns into a vast pavillion!"
Populous is pretty much the old testament simulator of choice, you start with one chap, can make prophets, rain down fire and brimstone and cause massive floods all while demanding absolute obedience and worship from your followers whilst they engage in the genocide and destruction of the settlements of anybody around who doesn't worship you.
All they really needed was the ability to send bears after people and it would be perfect.
Weirdwolf
Daneish003
Posted 6:30 AM 6/8/08
what we need is an awesome Christian game. Something that takes back in bible times and you can run around and kill goliath and a bunch of philistines and what not. or maybe just make "Total War: the Israelites" that would be kinda fun.
Daneish003
PirateCapnSpazz
Posted 6:12 AM 6/8/08
Any time i see Bible games they're always in the bargain bin for five bucks. >>
But I do agree with limiting a child's time playing games. When I was little I really only played video games if it was raining or if there wasn't anyone to play with. And even then I'd be playing with my toys than with the SNES.
PirateCapnSpazz
Combichristoffersen
Posted 6:51 AM 6/8/08
@LoopyChew:
..What? What does that have to do with my jokish comment about Nietzsche proclaiming (the idea of) God to be dead over a hundred years ago?
Combichristoffersen
VengefulRonin
Posted 6:44 AM 6/8/08
@Gambia: Pretty sure a large portion of Persona 3 is about making friends. Wii games are all about family. And gods of various types exist in plenty of games, especially RPGs.
Stupid people.
VengefulRonin
Daisuash
Posted 6:37 AM 6/8/08
@Ariel_Wollinger: This comment was funny because it is unexpected on a blog like Kotaku, but even me being an atheist, i felt it really out of place. If you want to prove how wrong christians and their beliefs are, make it with good arguments and in another place, not here. We´re supposed to be the "intelligent" ones, but with your comments and the flood of spam, you´re not helping...
No offense to any christians, that´s why i used the quote marks...
Daisuash
WittyUserName
Posted 7:19 AM 6/8/08
@Alucrix: Only if they put in some Pillar.
WittyUserName
Spectre_J
Posted 7:16 AM 6/8/08
@DarkMasterTonberry: SO TRUE
Spectre_J
Spectre_J
Posted 7:13 AM 6/8/08
"The man has a point. I seem to remember a lot more children outside playing when I was a kid. After school you couldn't throw a rock without hitting a child, a fact that used to make my after school times truly special."
The only part I cared about in this whole story. FUCKING HILARIOUS.
Spectre_J
WittyUserName
Posted 7:44 AM 6/8/08
@King Seafoam: Testify!
WittyUserName
WittyUserName
Posted 7:41 AM 6/8/08
@Spiffyness: Respect is like trust. It has to be earned.
I'm not stating an opinion on anyone's beliefs one way or the other, but the idea that someone or something should be respected simply because it is touches a raw nerve.
WittyUserName
Hey There Super Dude
Posted 7:35 AM 6/8/08
@Gambia:
I see what you did there.
Hey There Super Dude
Cam_Ras
Posted 8:08 AM 6/8/08
@Weirdwolf:
Now that's what I call entertainment!
Cam_Ras
bornonce
Posted 8:24 AM 6/8/08
And Alec, of "A Clockwork Orange" loved the Bible too, not the later stuff that was "all preachy" but the delightful visions all of the "ultra-violence" in the Old Testament.
The truth of the matter is religious history, be it Jewish, Muslim, Christian (of which there were over 150 different sects after the death of Christ), Bhuddist, etc. all reflect very cruel and violent acts. The violence of the Torah or the King James version of the Bible would certainly blow away any of the objections to games like GTA. But parents don't want their kids to learn REAL history, of either their religion or their country. It would certainly shake there confidence that the world is Black and White, Good vs Evil, Right vs wrong, etc.
I would gladly debate any Christian who thinks he knows anything about how Christianity evolved. If you want to actually get in touch with your Christian roots, read "A History of Christianity" by Paul Johnson rather than listen to some pre-scripted, sanitized nonsense taught in Sunday School. Besides, we don't practice much of the teachings of Jesus, but are far more likely to quote Paul. It is Paul, in fact, who is far more influential than even Jesus himself.
bornonce
robinandtami
Posted 8:22 AM 6/8/08
Ok..... will these games portray biblical events like Moses parting the sea or David slaying Goliath? Or will they protray modern "Christian" activities, like those lovely southern baptist preachers that come downtown every weekend night to scream pure hate at anyone that "looks" like a homosexual?
robinandtami
Nipz
Posted 9:19 AM 6/8/08
@bornonce:
I agree with you violence is a part of life
Nipz
Cam_Ras
Posted 9:18 AM 6/8/08
@bornonce:
You and I are entirely in agreement, and I would love to chat with you on the subject at some point. I myself am a disenfranchised former theology student.
It's a pity, because when we put Christianity and the Bible in its proper historical context, nothing of the spirit of the faith changes. On the contrary, those who fail to do so remain bound by the so-branded "letter of the law."
Cam_Ras
Nipz
Posted 9:17 AM 6/8/08
I have to agree with him on one thing games are an inherent waste of my time but sometimes I feel like I need to waste time and enjoy it. Im also a christian and love playing violent videogames, it gives me a chance to do things that I couldnt and wouldnt in real life.
Nipz
metaslugx
Posted 12:00 PM 6/8/08
Heh, they certainly have valid points, and seeing as I'm (remotley) Christian..
Seriously though, am I the only one that remebers the old non-licensed games these guys used to put out. There were are bunch of NES games that would cause a surge in the chipset of the NES so they could work.
I tend to think that violence in some video games can be postive, afterall, in case of an Alien Invasion I'd like my kid to know how to strafe run.
metaslugx
.em.
Posted 12:17 PM 6/8/08
@EmeraldDragon:
Bingo! I'm from the South too *shudder*, and I know exactly what you're talking about. I'm pretty sure that I never had a sex-ed class, but mysteriously, girls still got pregnant. Hmmmm.......
The article doesn't seem too "bad," and its nice to see someone in the public pushing parenting.
.em.
マンゼクスSythe
Posted 12:57 PM 6/8/08
@skrame ☆: Heh, I am too and I haven't changed one bit.
マンゼクスSythe
fall_farewell
Posted 12:56 PM 6/8/08
Being a Christian myself (though hesitant to call myself one, knowing the stereotypes and things assumed of me), I think video games so far have followed other areas of "Christian" media.
As a general rule, in my opinion, "Christian" media has always been subpar. Most bands are cheap rip-offs, the games are lame and Bible-related in the worst ways, so called "Christian" TV hardly gives a true depiction of what true Christians are like and gives Christians a bad light. Unfortunately this has been the case.
I look at video games the same way I look at art, tv, music, etc. I personally believe they are a form of entertainment or art, and that there really needs to be no delineation between "christian" and "non-christian" (except for situations where maybe Christian families that want to strictly give their kids Christian-based media).
Music is music, games are games, etc. We need to stop trying to make "Christian" this and "Christian" that. So if I find a band with awesome, deep, well-thought lyrics and they aren't a Christian band, heck yes I am still listening to them, because it is great music, whether or not I agree with the message or ideals in the music. Same with books, art, movies, etc.
It is good to see a level-headed article with a realistic view from Christians on video games than the usual media "scare tactic" type of reporting.
However, I do think the "kids should be outside more" argument is not as valid as many think. There are plenty of loud kids in my neighborhood that are outside for a good part of the day/evening. I think this point is highly blown out of proportion.
fall_farewell
RichChap
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