@Gitaroo_Dude: OK, gitaroo, you're now my friend for blasting Twilight Princess.

But you should be cautiously optimistic aboot Mirror's Edge. I am still very pessimistic aboot Dead Space but it might (MIGHT) be the cat's pajamas.

BoringJob

@Darrisbob1:

Wow, I think you're wearing out your Jump to Conclusions mat.

First off, I love WRPGs. Planescape, anything by Bioware including Jade Empire, original Fallouts, etc.

And I'm pretty sure I can accept hype. Unless it's Twilight Princess, which can burn in all 9 layers of Hell.

What I can't stand is undeserved praise or hype, which Bethesda seems to have honed to an art form.

But yeah, I totally hate on every game that comes down the pipeline. I'm totally NOT in love with Mirror's Edge or Dead Space, I'm NOT oozing with anticipation over Bioware's MMO, totally NOT excited about Platinum's new lineup, and I think the new Banjo Kazooie is going to blow.

You've successfully trolled me sir, congrats.

Gitaroo_Dude

@Darrisbob1: I think it's the other way around. I think you're having trouble accepting that someone finds a game that you enjoyed to be mediocre. And trust me, he's not the only one. I personally thought it was better than mediocre but certainly not as good as your opinion of it. But who cares what I or anyone else thinks? If you enjoyed it that's all that matters. You don't have to go accusing people of being insincere or a troll or a fanboy or whatever just because they have a differing opinion.

ƒox

@TK423: Well, make it a 3-headed irradiated unicorn and...

...no, I'm not kidding.

Tyber_Zann

@DoubleOh-: Well thank god for small miracles.

@Darrisbob1: So that's seriously how you're trying to defend empty, boring, wasted space? "Oh, there's a few plants that are mildly useful unless you focus on it for 25 hours."

I understand they wanted to make it seem more real. But to me, it felt even more abstract from "real life" than a lot of other "less realistic" games.

BoringJob

@sarcasmOD: Yes on highest difficulty it was a challenge, but they're was no incentive to actually go out and explore because of the scaling weapons/armor/enemies so you'd end up fast traveling, which is a stupid feature, everywhere.

Plus you have a giant arrow on your compass telling you where to go all the time.

CardJoker

@Darrisbob1:

Are you mental, how was it a great storyline? The storyline was so uninteresting and the only interesting one was infact the Dark Brotherhood one and saying that leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

The map was the same section of land copied and pasted several times, the dungeons and castles were incredibly bland, the characters all looked the same, said the samething, hell there were only 4 or 5 voice actors so you'd sometimes end up with the same one talking to him/herself.

The Radiant AI system was incredibly bad, cities were no longer part of the same cell like in Morrowind, the combat system was still bad and to top it all off Bethesda fucked up they're own lore with Shivering Isles.

Morrowind had better characters, better quests, a better storyline, better magic spells, everything was better except for the melee combat.

CardJoker

@sarcasmOD: My point wasn't that there was insufficient content, it was that those quests were spread over a fantasy wasteland full of randomly generated encounters that covered tens of square miles. Sure, there was a whole lot of stuff, but when the milieu is so utterly monotonous and so blatantly randomised that you'd find common bandits with epically powerful gear in the later stages of the game just standing around acting like machines, it hardly seems worthwhile to seek it all out.

Antialias

@M-26-7:
My, my! My grammar and spelling are failing me this late at night. *Fallout, played

M-26-7

@Tyber_Zann: You're kidding, right?

TK423

Dammit this game is gonna be so fucking hot.

BRING IT ON! COME ON!...

NeoXY

@CardJoker: Did you try it on the highest difficulty? I recall it being ridiculously hard, but I might be mistaken.

sarcasmOD

There seem to be two camps here. The "Fallout 3 must be a new IP or something and the 3's just in there to look cool." and the "OMG FUCKING BETHESDA RUINED FALLOUT..."
I have no problem with either of these camps most of the time because I see where each of them are coming from, but when the people from the first camp talk about Fallou 1 & 2, it's a bit obnoxious. If you haven't play them, just shut up about them. Plain and simple.

M-26-7

@Gitaroo_Dude: Why was it mediocre? Because it had a great storyline? No, no... maybe it was the 100+ hours of side quests, each with an interesting background within itself? Hmm...

You've stumped me.

And God of War, as great as it was, was repetitive as hell. while Bioshock was awesome, but System Shock in the 20th century, unoriginal if you've player System Shock 2.

Maybe, you mean it was somehow inferior to Morrowind? No, that cant be it... as the combat system was vastly improved over Elder 3...

It simple. You cant accept any hype. So you start out hating just about every game, right? that way, if it sucks, you have no problem. No harm, no foul.

Or maybe you just hate RPG's in general? Hmm? Maybe just western RPG's like Mass Effect?

I guess my point is that we all are biased.

Me? I'm biased against bad games.

Actually, i don't really care what you think...

Darrisbob1

I think the people at Bethesda should really try to keep "thigs" civil and amicable too. Or were those the things? I get 'em mixed up.

Jamezspot

@Tyber_Zann:

Mutant unicorns? Sold.

ZeroIXI

Oblivion was incredibly half assed and incredibly easy.

Morrowind was the superior game.

CardJoker

@Antialias: Not enough content? Did you bother to do a single side quest? My Oblivion file was about 100 hours in length and not much of that was spent dicking around in the world, it was pretty much quest after quest.

sarcasmOD

"One of the best games ever"? Is there more than one Oblivian?

LedRush

Hopefully its better but not much bigger. I've owned Oblivion since launch and still have not beaten it.

It should be awesome as long as they import the pissed-off aggro unicorn from Oblivion. That thing would just unleash bloody hell upon anything friend or foe.

Tyber_Zann

Typical pre-release PR. Every company says their new game is better than the one before it, even when it's clear it won't be (Madden).

That's not to say F3 is immediately doomed to the crap pile, but "Oblivion with guns" isn't exactly a good thing for everyone, especially people who aren't a fan of FPSes or Bethesda's tendency to skimp out in the 'unique characters' or 'hiring more than three VAs' department.

Archaotic

Morrowind was better than Oblivion anyways.

Scythed

Better than Oblivion? I'll settle for the NPCs not all looking like Joan Rivers.

Campion of Drymouth

@Darrisbob1: Who said he hates it? He just implied that he didn't think it was one of the best games of all times. I think it's a little overrated myself (whatever that means). It was a great game, no doubt, but I didn't find myself enjoying it as much as others or as much as I did with Morrowind.

ƒox

@BoringJob: They've stated that the level scaling is one of the things they've removed for the most part, they stated when you get to the super mutants they may have better weapons depending on your current level, but other than that they don't scale to the player....but we'll see what happens when it's released.

DoubleOh-

they need to stop comparing these two games. If they make it simply "post-apocalyptic oblivion" then it's going to leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Yeah, I get it, you made two decent-to-good action-y RPGs. But now you're making Fallout. Don't compare it to your other stuff ... just make it Fallout

galewind

I'm not so familiar with the Fallout series as I am with the Elder Scrolls titles, so maybe that's the cause for it, but... I'm just not feeling Fallout much. I pretty much always take swords over guns. If the core mechanics are going to be the same-- and it seems they are, at least fundamentally-- then I just don't see Fallout lighting the world on fire for me the way Oblivion did. Or, more accurately, the way Morrowind did. Oblivion was definitely dumbed-down for mass appeal compared to its predecessors.

That's just me. I'm jealous of all the folks fiending for Fallout. I wish I felt the same.

wild homes isn't anything!

>>Better than one of the best games of all time?

Oh U.

Oblivion was appalling. Massive open world full of absolutely nothing. Paper-thin plot. NPCs like clockwork dolls. Copypasta hai fantashii voiceacting. While some of the quests were compelling, they were like an atom thin layer of marmite spread over a slice of toast the size of Mars. Why create a game world that large if you can't write enough content to fill 5% of it?

Oblivion was Morrowind stripped of all its redeeming depth, then oversimplified for the Xbox denominator.

Antialias

It better be, but then again, Oblivion was a massively overrated, unbearably generic, shit-slathered mess of a game, so it probably wouldn't be hard to make a better game than it. We shall see.

Placentasaurus

@Darrisbob1:

I hate when people make terrible assumptions to defend a mediocre RPG. I mean, I just rage against Bioshock or, say, God of War.

Try again please.

Gitaroo_Dude

Fallout 3: Now with FOUR different voice actors.

ZeroIXI

@Gitaroo_Dude: I hate people who hate a game just because it was good... it makes no sense.

Darrisbob1

@BoringJob: There were plenty of plants to collect for alchemy in those "empty spaces".

Darrisbob1

@BoringJob: Oh, I forgot to mention that. I hated the level scale. The one thing I loved about Morrowind was that you were able to go into a dungeon, be scarred and run out waiting for a couple more levels before dwelling into it. Oblivion disappointed me in that category. There was no scary moments. I want enemies running me out of the cave, forcing me to come back a couple levels down the road.

macr0planet

By their logic, if Oblivion was better than Morrowind...and Fallout 3 is better than Oblivion...

Wow, Fallout 3 is gonna be crap.

I keed! I keed!

I'm looking forward to F3. I never got very far in any of the previous fallouts ( I always seemed to hit "walls" after an hour or two of playing). But I'm definitely picking up Fallout 3. Post-apocalyptic gaming at it's finest. :D

Coquiton

Oblivion?

One of the best games of all time?

Christ, I pity you.

Gitaroo_Dude

Oblivion was a pretty good game. I will have to admit though that the portals got on my nerves when you hit the 6th one. Man they were popping up everywhere.

Fallout 3 looks good, it's got my attention. The game play looks up to par with the original games, lets just hope Bethesda can deliver.

macr0planet

Hopefully it will be less empty space and not have anything like the enemy level scaling of Oblivion.

BoringJob

Considering I spent 500 hours on Oblivion, this sends chills down my spine.

GiantEnemyCrab

Well, I've been playing through Oblivion recently for the first time and I definitely must say that it is the kind of game that grows on you. It takes a little time to appreciate. However good it is though, I don't think it even cracks my top 10 favorite games.

Anyway, I'm much more excited for Fallout 3, it's looking amazing.

CarbonFalcon

Better than the "Shit Game" posted earlier? I think not.

IceCold

Christ, lots of touchy people in here. Everyone just relax, mmkay?

With that said, can't wait for Fallout 3! Oh, and never played Oblivion orMorrowind. (ho noes!!)

7ucky

I liked that Oblivion could get really hard. Purely because hard 3D games are so rare these days.

I disliked how there were few ways you could build a character that would be successful at hard difficulties. But I still never finished Oblivion.

A game that has the same playtime requirements as an MMO without the "rewards" of an MMO just isn't worth it.

I'm afraid the same will be true of Fallout 3. Unless it features some sort of competitive multiplayer in which you can use your character.

Laho

@Gitaroo_Dude:
I agree with just about every word you said.

M-26-7

@ZombieRace: @Gitaroo_Dude:
I think dumbing down can mean a lot of things. One big thing is control differences. With a controller how many button do you have? Four buttons plus four trigger buttons plus pressing down on two sticks and the fours buttons that are the directional pad. Compare that to a full keyboard PLUS a mouse. I think that's what Ensemble is proably talking about.
But when you look at it it's true that consoles haven't had any really deep challenging games like SS2, Deus Ex, Fallout 1 & 2, Baldur's Gate as well as your grand RTS' like Warcraft III et cetera, et cetera (oh, and, GRIM FANDANGO!)

M-26-7

@ZombieRace: Perhaps I wasn't clear. I played the PC version first (which was a straight port of the Xbox version). Worst conversion of gamepad controls to mouse controls ever. It felt like moving through treacle. By removing the cursor they took it away RPG and towards FPS. And if that's not simplification I don't know what is.

I didn't mean to imply Xbox owners are idiots. I am one, after all. That's why I treated the removal of depth and Xbox control simplification as separate issues.

Antialias

Meh. His claim doesn't really apply to people who are averse to gun-heavy FPS games.

branny

Of course they gonna say that since oblivion is a game from 2 years ago and now they are looking for fallout.
Is just like "i made this 2 weeks before, but this one o made today is even better buy it plz"

PowerButton

wont take much : i really think oblivion and morrowind are pretty crappy games.

I really wanted them be good( i stupidly buyed collector edition for both ), but i always dropped them down after few hour cos they were just too boring.

lishi

I freaking loved Oblivion, so this is great news. I can't wait for Fallout 3 and Rage.

Strangelove

@ZombieRace:

Funny enough, Ensemble (Halo Wars creators) are some too.

Go read their 1Up interview where they discuss making RTS games sexy and fast paced for console players.

Gitaroo_Dude

@Antialias: Oh man, this is classic. You're one of those "DUMBED DOWN FOR CONSOLES AND CONSOLE JOCKS" kids.

I thought you dipshits didn't exist anymore

ZombieRace

@Darrisbob1: Is it lonely up there on your pedestal, Darrisbob1?

Admit it, not everyone has the same tastes. Some people liked Oblivion, others liked Morrowind better.

Coquiton

@BoringJob:

Stupid internet.

Was hoping the NOTs would imply sarcasm.

I'm totally excited about EA's lineup, especially Mirror's Edge.

Gitaroo_Dude

Why wouldn't you say your next title was better than your last???

Good job Bethesda you passed PR 101.

Nothing really against Bethesda, but more of a rip on Kotaku, and videogamer.com for posting this as news. No wonder nobody takes game journalism seriously.

jrhawk42

"I don't have any doubts that [Preparation H feels good...] on the whole"

I should be an editor.

SubjectNameHere

the reason why some of you guys hate oblivion with a passion is because you played morrowind.. it's easy to love oblivion if you never played morrowind. but on the flip side, it's easy to be disappointed with oblivion if you played morrowind before..

i just wish fallout 3 will be more like morrowind

the_answer

I was hoping it would be so different than oblivion that it'd be like comparing apples and oranges.

Wolfers

Wow, what's with all the Oblivion hate. I thought I hated the game too until I invested some time into it. As it turns out it's my 6 or 7th favorite game of all time. Flaws or not, very, very few games ever achieve the scope, depth, immersion, and satisfaction that oblivion emits. But it is an acquired taste. Not everyone likes sushi, but those who do love it to death.

lv1shinobi

You know what's a good RPG? Gothic. I mean, not so much the third one, but the first two were really solid. Despite a cripplingly bad control scheme, horrific inventory system, and a story that invariably becomes a little vague and wandering near the end, it's still one of my favorite franchises in the genre.

As for Oblivion, sheesh. I gave it six hours, and I just couldn't bring myself to care about firing it up again. I know some people love the series, but every time I've tried one of the entries, from Daggerfall to Morrowind to Oblivion, it's either so riddled with bugs that it's unacceptable to pay money for it, or the world is so "wide and open!" that you're left wandering around in the woods for hours trying to figure out what the hell to do next when you get mauled to death by some sort of PMSing fantasy-themed muskrat. Yeah, good times.

I probably will check out Fallout 3, but every entry into the series pales in comparison to my memories of Wasteland, heh.

Calhoun

@goliathvv:
Solid Snake says otherwise.

FreakyFavabean

@7ucky: People don't seem to react well when someone says that a game is one of the best games ever, particularly if its not 10 years old. Sure, Oblivion has its flaws, like repeating dialogue, ugly characters, and sometimes annoying combat, but it has plenty of good qualities too, so i don't see why liking it causes so much whiny hateful chaos. Personally, I think its a great game when you set goals for your characters, like looking for certain equipment or hunting down different kinds of enemies, not because you have to but because you WANT to.

That said, I hope Fallout 3 has a little more variety than Oblivion, and maybe some interesting boss battles or something.

FreakyFavabean

I'll be the judge of that, I didn't like Oblivion very much.I'm still going to give Fallout 3 a chance though.

Jawmuncher

Played oblivion and fallout, liked both, but still I think fallout is a way better game(actually, is the best game I've ever played, and I played a lotsa titles), so if the guys who made an incredible game are telling me that my favorite franchise is getting a game even better than their masterpiece, all I can say is: "War... War never changes..."

goliathvv

@Gitaroo_Dude: So you pity someone because you don't agree with their opinion of what a good game is?

How have you not been banned yet?

Thorax

Hey guys! Oblivion is a friggin' awesome game. Yeah it's chock full of flaws. But that doesn't stop it from being awesome. Personally it's not one of my top 10 games either but it's the kind of game that would perfectly reasonably be someone's all time favourite.

And just to stir the flames a bit here, Morrowind is unplayable garbage!

dowingba

im gonna be so juiced up that im going to make children explode with punches.

knifey-spoonie

I love Oblivion. I don't know if I'd care to see the graphic gore promised in Fallout 3 though. It's just not my style, and detracts from the experience for me.

Zunnoab

Dear lord Bethesda, what the fuck is wrong with you!?!? I've played Oblivion for 130 hours already, without getting anywhere in the main story, and you're saying Oblivion will be better!??! DO YOU SERIOUSLY WANT ME TO NEVER GET A JOB AGAIN!?!?

I'd actually like a smaller, more focused RPG. That way I can actually make it to the end.

Thorax

In Morrowind you could kill anything in the game after just leaving the second town, and in Oblivion there was no challenge at all due to level scaling. I wonder what innovative new disaster Fallout 3 will bring to the table to screw up combat with? My current bet is that all weapons will require ammo that can only be acquired by completing minigames of Tragic.

Kral2

@dowingba: Exactly, no game is perfect but that shouldn't stop people from enjoying good games. And I completely agree about Morrowind. As much as i want to like it because of the setting and story and everything, its pretty much impossible to kill things. When i stab a giant crab in the face 12 times, I kinda expect it to get hurt a little or something. And the only way i was ever able to get money in that game was by breaking into houses and stealing lots of stuff.

FreakyFavabean

It's...kinda easy for a game to be better than Oblivion.

...Yeah, I didn't like it. Yeah, I like Western RPG's - meaning I don't believe Oblivion is their symbol.

Fallout 3 just seems too much like Oblivion - right down to the drawing-a-melee-weapon animation seen in the gameplay video.

Rohit_N

@Antialias: Though I don't know anything about Oblivion, I really hope you're an American because I get made fun of for liking Marmite here and it makes me feel better to think I'm not alone. :(

Grave

I liked the concept of Oblivion, but I just couldn't get into it. Excellent execution, but just not my cup of tea.

/plus, me never really being into the whole Elder Scrolls lore didn't help.

dry-roasted-peanuts

@SilentSeraphin: spawned so many monsters***.

Curse you, lack of edit function.

SilentSeraphin

I both loved and hated Oblivion, for a number of reasons. I loved it because of the sheer scope of the thing and how pretty the game looked at the time. The entire story in general interested me.

However, the 'hack hack hack goofy looking jump hack hack' nature of the game never did it justice; I had the same issue with Morrowind. The level scaling was a bit absurd too, since it made leveling feel useless and, in some cases, rather detrimental. I remember leveling my character a bunch before tackling the main storyline. By the time I got to breaking the siege of Kvatch, it spawned so many areas in that final courtyard area where you open the gates that it actually had to clip monsters through the impassable walls to make room. It was quite the facepalm moment. Plus, as Yahtzee has said in the past, it's a bit jarring from the immersion when you see "some guy talking to himself in a store owned by himself". (Referring to the numerous different characters using the same voice actor)

All in all, I'd be very satisfied if it was anywhere close to the quality of the original Fallout.

SilentSeraphin

I do think that I'll have to drop out of school and take up Fallout as a career, Oblivion has stolen, between multiple characters and systems, at least 150 hours of my life. And counting.

Talleh

@Gitaroo_Dude:

Hey guess what man! You don't have the final opinion on everything and people are allowed to like something you think is GARBAGE.

Crazy, I know.

RonCey

Better than oblivion? Buff words.

SmokeFemur

I think the level scaling would work in this type of environment. When I get higher level I expect to be able to curb stomp goblins in a medieval fantasy world. But in a post apocalyptic world, who knows that hoodlum might have radioactive rabies!

Chewbenator

AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Internet arguometer is maxed out!!! Abandon ship!!!!!

dowingba

bah from the looks of it, it does seem better. Im sure there will be nagging issues here and there... but this seems much more immersive and compelling than to oblivion.

im going to take a few days off to just enjoy and explore everything I can.

ColtBrennan

You know, despite Oblivion's lack of voice actors (who did a remarkably good job for there only being four of them doing ALL the voices), I thought Oblivion was one of the best games I've played. I would find myself wandering the countryside sometimes and just stopping and looking at the scenery. I never had a game that compelled me to sit my character down and watch the sunset.

And the main story may have been a little weak, but all the subquests for each guild was incredibly compelling, and the various other sub-subquests revolving around just random people around town was a lot of fun.

While Fallout 3 isn't the number 1 game I am looking forward too, I am looking forward to it greatly. Should be a damn good time.

PapaBear434

I like the people in here who are expressing the opinion that people ought not have opinions about other people's opinions.

liquidnumb

@BoringJob:

EXACTLY! I want there to be places I'm just not strong enough to explore initially. I don't want to see common bandits running around with premo gear late game.

Also you loose all the satisfaction of stomping baddies who earlier in the game cleaned your clock...thinking of you Morrowind. OUTLANDER!

LanciePants

The best thing about Fallout series was the characters and the humor in it which i find lacking in the Morrowind series. Bethesda just have to kept true to that formula.

Jazzrat

@ZeroIXI: That was beautiful. *wipes tear from eye*

I think Oblivion was a good game. Not a great game like Morrowind was, but I don't regret the time I put into it (I beat the game and all the side sub-quests). I'm hoping for at least the same from Fallout 3. Not unrealistically high expectations really, and if they can take it up a level beyond that then I'll be pleasantly surprised.

MattB

@the_answer: Yeah maybe its true. I've never played morrowind, and i see alot comments about it being better than oblivion

Personally i loved oblivion. The only game i could truly just pick upp and play for an hour then leave. I had only played it for 30 hours when my brother formatted my computer and my save was gone. Still i liked it alot and it had pretty many issues but i modded it alot. But still some of them was pretty much fixed by that.

Still Bethesda making people excited by stating that they really know how to make people pre-order they're game.

But still i hope fallout 3 turns out to be good.

Syrish

morrowind gave you bit more freedom, but the combat was way better in oblivion, and the ability to hot key your equipment too. im actually playing through morrowind right now, and i dont feel its THAT much better than oblivion, the menus can get real clumsy real fast and the map system isn't as good, and theres just about as much void, empty space in it too.

pandafresh

Oblivion is one of my favorite games of all time, Fallout 3 will have to be pretty damn spectacular to top that.

Wizzard

When I saw the video of how the combat would play out it really dropped a few notches on my hype meter. Hopefully that work in the games favor and I'll end up loving the combat but as of now it doesn't look more fun than Oblivion but who knows.

Paradyme

It's really not hard to make a game better than Oblivion, and if that's their litmus then I'm not hopeful for the outcome of Fallout :/

Norellicus

@Bunn:
Only the PC version has mods fixing that kind of thing. Also, Bethesda claims Fallout 3 has a "smarter" leveling system than Oblivion - you can read about it in previews.

Rohit_N

Also, any word if fallout 3 will feature the same "world levels with you" as oblivion? That would suck

Bunn

I really wanted to play oblivion, but the idea that everyone levels with me, I can't get past it. did the console versions got any kind of patch to fix this, or I will have to mod it an play on my crappy computer?

Bunn

Has anyone ever bought a game pre-launch? I mean, i want to buy the New Fallout before its release, but i don't want to get it a week after i could potentially get it using other means.
Whats your exp. buying games prelaunch? Do you get them before or after the initial launch?

halbowitz

The real problem I had with Oblivion was the complete lack of urgency. It didn't matter if you screwed up or took your time, 90% of the quests were "get back to it whenever you want" and the main quest had absolutely no sense of peril. The game had a good first 3rd and some of the quests were awesome, but after a while, it got really samey.

mariospants

I still play Oblivion on my ps3 and I love the hell out of it. I think it really is one of the best consoles games I have ever played. Saying that Fallout is going to be better is a huge statment and I wait to play it before making judgements.

Metropolis

I gave Oblivion 20 hours of my life and it was the worst 20 hours i've spent on it. So saying Fallout will be better than it is just saying that a game will be better than a terrible game.

I had such high hopes for it too, since I liked Morrowind.

Ashton

My friend really liked Morrowind and Oblivion .. but I never could get into the games.

I hope fallout three is not like those two games I just mentioned...

--Core--

Do you expect them to say anything different.

For the oblivion fanboys, their reaction will be "OMG better than OBLIVION!!1!!! *fap fap*"

For the ones who hate it, the intended reaction is "heck, maybe this will be good enough to give it a shot".

The ones who are actually looking for a fallout sequel, on the other hand will be..."oh god, it IS oblivion with guns!"

personally, I say, "so what?" Saying Fallout 3 is better than oblivion is (to steal a phrase) like saying that bread and water is better than piss and shit.

arinthel

I'm replaying Oblivion right now as a matter of fact. Vanilla Oblivion is horrible with the enemy scaling, bad character animations, and pretty bad object textures but once you install the Obcuro's Overhaul mod, exnem's eye candy, make it pretty mod, and a bunch of other mods, the game is great. I hope Fallout 3 gives the community the same style of modding as Oblivion did.

I feel so sorry for the 360 oblivion players, they will never know just how great PC Oblivion really is.

aceshigh521

Oblivion was severely disappointing and tediously boring, so while I still have high hopes for Fallout 3, this statement from Bethesda means nothing to me.

gokieks

All of the people who think Oblivion was some kind of abominable shitheap game, what are you comparing it against?

Honest question, because I've played and enjoyed Morrowind but didn't find the game anywhere near as engaging as Oblivion (which I admittedly played more for exploration and side quests than the main storyline. Oh, and the combat was waaaay better).

@Bunn: If that's the only thing holding you back from Oblivion, don't let it. I found that my weapons, armor and stat/damage bonuses eventually became so good that I could steamroll over just about anything in that game.

Silverbackne

I hope so. I will hear no ill word said against Oblivion. That game need only ask and it could have my babies, so Fallout is waay high on my list of games to get

CockneyKaiser

I remain unconvinced. Fallout 3 sure looks pretty, but at the same time, it sure doesn't look like the Fallout I remember. I found both Morrowind and Oblivion painfully boring, and they managed to completely F--- up Call of Cthulhu.

RubyMars

@RubyMars: Go reinstall the Fallout you remember and see what it looks like.

I'm not picking a fight, I'm being serious. I booted up Fallout 2 a few months back and initially thought the game was broken because of how bad it looks today.

Then I couldn't hit people with a submachine gun even if they were two inches from my face. Then I was getting shot through solid brick walls by enemies standing on the other end of the screen.

I love all things Fallout, but I was surprised just how much my nostalgia glossed over the actual, inconsistent experience of playing the game.

Silverbackne

Can't wait for it to tank so Fallout memories can remain blissfull recalls of Action Points and sick BB guns.

Oban

@CardJoker: I'm pretty much in complete agreement with you, for the very reasons you cited. Oblivion was a pretty game, but when compared to Morrowind it was a step backwards in almost every respect except graphics, IMO.

Also, I hope Bethesda learned that you really *don't* need to have voice actors for *every* NPC in the game. I think you could get by with providing them only for the really important NPCs or quest lines.

If Fallout3 provides Oblivion-level graphics and Morrowind-level everything else, I think it will be a great game. If it's dumbed down for consoles and has level scaling the way Oblivion did, then I'll take a pass and probably write-off Bethesda for good.

Madoc

wow, tough crowd. i take it you fellas didn't embark on the Dark Brotherhood line of quests? because that was the shit.

and fallout 3 will be more of the same because apparently the guy who penned those sidequests is in charge of overall questing now.

Nelson

One of the best games of all time? Are you serious?

And why was this game called "role playing?" The only choices you had were to either do a quest or not do a quest, and some pathetically minor character choices that had no real effect on anything but gameplay.

The story was pretty awful too. I was so sick of closing those stupid portals by the time I finished the game.

The skill system was pretty bad, the level scaling kept you from ever feeling like you were actually progressing, and the "hundreds" of NPCs were the same 5 voices recycled over and over with weird ugly screwed up faces.

Oblivion was fun for what it was, but let's not go saying anything stupid like "best game of all time." That's just nonsense.

weables

@Nelson: Really? Those were the best quests like you say, so that bodes very well for Fallout 3.

MattB

@Nelson: Quest-wise, the Dark Brotherhood line was Oblivion's only saving grace, IMO... if you could put "grace" into the same discussion as the Dark Brotherhood quest line. :P

Madoc

Didn't anybody notice that Luke qualified his statement that Oblivion is "one of the best games of all time" with "(well, one of my favorites)"? You can't argue taste. It's like if Luke said his favorite food was Caesar salad and some people got pissed because they hate lettuce. I f***ing despise lettuce, and even I can enjoy a good salad sometimes. Wait, what? Anyways, Luke, Oblivion is one of my favorite games too and I can't wait to play Fallout 3.

G-rant

Sorry to rain on your Oblivion parade, Luke, but my response to this was "It had damn well better be."

Pantsman

You didn't really think that Bethesda would claim that a game they designed 3 years ago is better than the one they are currently hyping, would you?

Oblivion deserved every word of praise ever said about it. I normally have a rather short attention span in games, but spent over 200 hours in Oblivion and loved every minute of it. I love how people claim that they "beat Oblivion" just because they completed the main mission. The Oblivion gates pop up all of the time, and to truly beat Oblivion you would have to eventually close 54 Oblivion gates. I really don't care what other people think of the game. I loved it.

bornonce

Oblivion was an incredible game...despite the lousy, generic setting.

Fallout 3 will be by the Developers who turned a generic fantasy game into an epic adventure, in an already incredibly fine-tuned and interesting setting.

Ad-hominem

yeah, a company that got a game close to release would say their previous game (which is almost the same) is better than this new one.... right....

hok

Yeah, Oblivion totally looks the same all over the map though, swamps in the south, snowy mountains in the north, forest to the east and Gold Coast to the west...not enough diversity Bethesda!

pistolplatypus

Now that i think about my earlier comment, the color pallete seems to be inspired by a recent trip to the bathroom.

riggoser

They would proclaim that products their recent trip to the bathrooms was going to to be better than oblivion so long as said products release date was coming up.

riggoser

As much as I love Oblivion I wouldn't call it one of the best games of all time. The combat and animations are garbage, which is a Bethesda staple. I really hope fallout 3 turns that around, although the animations still look like rubbish judging from the previews.

yargh

fallout 3 looks like it will be better than oblivion, but why snub people on dlc?? still being a ps3 owner i will buy this game because bethesda is a great developer and i cannot wait for this game. my only gripe is socom comes out 2 weeks later so ima have to miss the month of work in october so i can play these games.

EVIL_V2

@M-26-7: Deus Ex

Deus Ex came out on PS2. It wasn't a bad port, though the controls felt abit cramped, so I suppose point taken. Fallout 1 and 2 could work on the DS.

Am I the only one who thinks games like Grim Fandango or really any of the awesome point and click adventures should go on the Wii Virtual Console?

WolfmanWalt

EVERY issue with Oblivion has been fixed by proper mods on the PC, and then it REALLY shines. Then its, like, knock-your-fucking-socks-off awesome. Stock Oblivion is kinda 'meh' (but so was Morrowind). Henceforth, I'll be getting Fallout 3 on PC as well.

Ubersoldat19

@Coquiton:
lol

I hope you're wrong. From what I've seen, Fallout 3 does look to have at least the depth of Oblivion. I know it won't be Morrowind, but I don't think it will be worse than Oblivion. For the record, I do love Oblivion, but it is the most flawed game I have ever played. All Fallout has to do to be better is keep the same basic formula while getting rid of the shit leveling system (check) and hiring more voice actors (god please let them hire more voice actors).

@sarcasmOD:
A 300 damage spell barely phases a human NPC, while their weak-ass spells kill you in 1 or 2 hits. Ridiculously hard is an understatement.

digamma

Okay.. So it's better... Why?

Dragzonox