@XeroKool:

I've played and beaten the game. It doesn't change the fact that games like Assassins Creed have a far better Third Person camera and that having to stay still whiile firing in first-person mode is outdated. You have to press too many buttons to do too little. Don't get me started on shooting behind cover and the lack of collision detection.

mlubczyk

@mlubczyk: You keep telling yourself that. ;)

ƒox

@mfwahwah: Maybe I spoke too soon. I couldn't find the source, but according to 4 or 5 commenters on the last post, it was the number sold according to Konami.

everybest

Was destined to happen. The game is fu**in epic.

seefresh

@Communist_Gamer: [kotaku.com]

But sans-cutscenes it would fit on a single dual layer DVD. Tehehe

CockneyKaiser

@Communist_Gamer:

It was stated some time ago by Konami that they managed to fill a whole dual layer BD. It was on the Konami podcast I believe.

Antialias

@Communist_Gamer:

when kojima said himself, the blu-ray discs are to small to hold MGS4k

Thrizar

@Antialias:

Since when did MGS4 fill an entire blu-ray disc?

Communist_Gamer

@Communist_Gamer:

A Dual Layer Blu-Ray is 50 Gigs. A Dual layer DVD is 9 Gigs, -the rumored 2 gigs of Microsoft metadata is 7 usable Gigs. Which is 8 Xbox discs per one dual layer Blu-ray.

Antialias

im pretty sure when they did that with mgs2 they didnt double the profit, it actually bombed pretty bad.

lishi

@mlubczyk: Obvious troll is obvious.

XeroKool

Good for them. Wish to see more great games coming from Konami, and hopefully more games from Kojima.

nikaidostar

@Communist_Gamer:
@ZetaCrossfire:

you all wish, but i highly doubt they will. thats why i stopped caring about all the crap about, "its gonna be ported over" and all that fanboy trash talk. they have said MGS4 was MADE for PS3. get over it

the Metal Gear Solid with the current Solid Snake Era. is and always will be PS3 exclusive

Thrizar

@mlubczyk: You are wrong. Lets just leave it at that.

icegoat

Good for konami, question is will they piss off Sony by porting to the 360 and doubling their profits?

jigglypoofs

@everybest: noooooo, they shipped that many, they sold like 2.somethin' million.

Also, good job Konami!

mfwahwah

More proof that with good enough marketing, you can sell anything. Bad camera, bad controls, yet it still sold like hotcakes.

mlubczyk

@Thugmunk:

Well I'm not a fanboy (no PS3 due to financial reasons) but I will defend the 360 because its not a case of "6 Discs" or it being any worse in quality. The graphics would be similar, and it wouldnt be more than 3 discs.

Communist_Gamer

would of been double if it wasn't ps3 exclusive cough

ZetaCrossfire

@Communist_Gamer: See I wouldn't want just a sloppy 6 disc port. There's a few things the PS3 was physically capable of that I feel would cripple it for a 360 release. I say just leave it, but I wouldn't deny a port... I just wouldn't expect it to look as good/play as good.

Thugmunk

Lots of Konami self-love today...or maybe it was just a financial report. Either way, MGS4 FTW!

Kirksplosion

Many smiley faces, popping champagne and shit.

PsycheE

Think about how much youd earn if you ported it to 360.

*prays towards Konami headquarters*

Evil capitalists... but still port it over. :)

Communist_Gamer

@icegoat: Lol.

Profit has changed...

Damn the Patriots! Hm.. yeah. Anyway, way to go Konami. I <3 Snake. :D

Thugmunk

Said I don't know if that's what I'm sure do to, baby
By with a little help from my friends
Said I'm gonna make it with my friends
By with a little help from my friends
Whoa oh I'm gonna keep on trying
By with a little help from my friends
Said I'm gonna keep on trying.

archibaldleech

shipped out close to 4 million copies of the game

That number was sales not shipped.

everybest

Kept you waiting... er... raking in money, huh?

icegoat

@Antialias: Not to mention MGS4 installs 20GB* of data. But since we have an installation every act, that 40GB is divided into 5 since the PS3 can only save data up to 4-5GB at a time.

correct me if I'm wrong though.

xCruciaLx

SNAKE Is NO Hero!

Hellion86

@ƒox:

Amen comrade.

Communist_Gamer

@mlubczyk: "Game A has better controls and camera than Game B, therefore Game B is inferior as a whole and vastly overrated." I'm sorry, what? That is the worst reasoning ever. I couldn't get a quarter of the way through Assassins Creed when I rented, I got so bored with it. Yet MGS4 is still sitting in my PS3.

A game can have flaws and still be an excellent game. I can honestly say MGS4 was one of the most quality and fun games I've played in quite some time, while acknowledging it's various flaws same time. What MGS4 did right for me completely outweighed and overshadowed what it did wrong.

ƒox

@ahmeng:

Kojima thinks of wacky ideas lemme pitch one.

Where you have to play in the sun to be able to play the game, relate it to the game somehow, but you have to do it outside otherwise the game won't work.

Oh apparently its already been done.

Communist_Gamer

Regardless of the pissing match between the 360 and the PS3, this game did pretty well for itself despite its exclusivity.

Sqrfrk

Million dollar question! What is next Kojima??

ahmeng

@mlubczyk:

Oh come on for all its faults its a charming game that is just so emjoyable and has that MGS magic.

MGS2 with Raiden for gods sake, what was that about? Yet I hold that game close to my heart for a time when I truly enjoyed a game, and I haven't enjoyed many to the same degree since then.

Communist_Gamer

@CockneyKaiser:

I'm sold!

Communist_Gamer

Snake is becoming more epic as days go past and the financial reports from companies that are related to the franchise comes up. I love you snaku!

Fauxe

@mlubczyk: Yeah well I own Microsoft and I will admit that the xbox sucks. You see, because I said so, it must be true!

Oh, and this just in, not everyone likes the same thing!

failzmcgee

THEY MAKE THEIR MONEY BY SELLING TO RETAILERS. THEY DO NOT MAKE MONEY FROM YOU BUYING THEIR GAME(Well, you could argue that they do, as retailers won't buy games that don't sell, but still, it's 4 million sold).

Also, no it would not have had double the sales. The reason exclusives usually sell a lot of copies on a single platform is because they are well, exclusive. If Halo was not exclusive to 360, it would have failed and drowned in the endless ocean of spaceshooters.

failzmcgee

@mlubczyk: Assassin's Creed had a great third person camera. But your comment about MGS4 pressing "...too many buttons to do too little..." is invalid, unless you're appealing to the fact that practically every third-person shooter of this generation applies. And that's including Assassin's Creed.

Also, your comment about "...having to stay still whiile firing in first-person mode..." being oudated is irrelevant and you're mistaken, since you can move while in first-person mode.

Though I'm actually interested with the last thing you mentioned - where was the collision detection problem in the game?

Sqrfrk

@mlubczyk:

You can strafe and move in first person. Everything else you got right.

Psudonym

@xCruciaLx:

It's too bad I only own a PS3 and Wii, right? I'm not stupid enough to buy a NextGen console that has a 30% failure rate, no WiFi, and comes from the maker of the Devil himself - Windows Vista from Microsoft. I found Assassins Creed and Splinter Cell are far better stealth game than Metal Gear Solid 4.

mlubczyk

@mlubczyk: Oh ow... a pissed 360 user that can't/won't be able to play MGS4.

Flaming a game just because you can't play it on your console = Rabid Fanboy.

xCruciaLx

@ahmeng:
Hopefully Zone of Enders.

MisterMcThursday

@xCruciaLx:

Exactly. Clearly the game isn't able to run off the disc, the loadtimes for the huge textures would be hugely prohibitive to gameplay.

Added to that, I didn't factor into my analysis the repetition of data that would be required for multiple discs (like you need snake's texture, various voice tracks and so on in all the discs). That might actually make it impossible to split up into multiple discs without a mandatory install, as it's a good bet that the repetition data would be larger than 7 gigs...

I guess when Kojima said this was only possible on PS3 he wasn't lying. Of course we didn't believe him at the time because he was talking at a Sony event (was it E3 '07?). We Should learn to listen to our auteurs.

Antialias

Grats Konami you deserve the windfall for putting out good stuff. Now please stop making us pay for DDR Unlockables already on the disc. please?

MisterMcThursday

@Psudonym:

You can't move well. It's not a good Shooter game or Stealth well. Metal Gear Solid has always been a series that can't make up it's mind - be a shooter or a stealth game. It's not good at bother. Games have evolved much over what MGS4 offers.

You're like the mindless GTA4 and Mario fanboys that adore games instead of being critical of them. You know why MGS4 is so archaic, because Kojima and Konami knew its legions of fanboys would buy the game anyway. Same for GTA4 and Brawl.

mlubczyk

If this was multiplatform, I THINK it would've shipped about 2 million more. Not double the sales, as you'll note, but more.

So why doesn't Sony get blamed for a money-hat with this like MS does every time they get a multiplatform or exclusive?

DARTH_TIGRIS

Why no mention of profits/net income, only revenue? They were $52.4 million by the way, up 46.6% over last year, by the way. A respectable but not outstanding 8% margin (profit/revenue).

DKII

@Communist_Gamer: dvd9 is just over 8.5gigs minus the 2gigs microsoft requires for an xbox game per disk makes it 6.5gigs of real available disk space. Kojima himself said the bd50 was not enough space so let's do some math 50/6.5 that's 7.69 disks which equates to 8 dvd9 disks. Considering manufacturing costs it would cost a shit load of money per copy just to get the same quality as the PS3.

@CockneyKaiser: all cut scenes in the game are ran using the in game engine using the in game textures, the transitions are real time, once the level loads there are no more load screens until the next level.

@xCruciaLx: the install can be larger but this is done to minimize the install times, for such a huge amount of data after the initial install, it sure does install fast.

lilaliendog

...you know...

If you all let "mlubczyk" make his comments without trying to dismantle his experience then his flame war could have been avoided. If he played the game and thought it was ruined by poor controls then that's how he feels. Seriously, everyone who has something to say about Metal Gear Solid 4 isn't a troll but I'm beginning to think that everyone who wants to like this game is overly sensitive.

...just because someone else's opinion hurts your feeling doesn't make them a troll but it does make you a pussy :|

okenny :( ... not sure what to believe in anymore

@failzmcgee: Halo is also on the pc. It was successful because a lot of hype and marketing dollars spend on it (100 Mil?). Compare that with COD4...it look rather archaic for a shooter, but with large community support, even old games hard to die. OTH, people with guns always sell well...

ahmeng

@failzmcgee: What happens when the retailer can't move 50,000 copies of FailMcgee's "random crappy video game"? Well they do a retailer return, foot the bill for shipping but get their money back. So while they don't immediately profit from each sale, they do profit.

A exclusive game doesn't move units. Look at heavenly sword or lair. What moves units is consumer demand. You induce it with hype, a good game, or T&A. Halo 3 sold on hype. MGS4 and GOW sold on hype and quality. Dead or Alive : Xtreme volleyball sold on T & A.

kingmanic

@CockneyKaiser: Their in engine, the major space fillers are the uncompressed audio for dynamic mixing, textures, models, a bit of stock footage.

kingmanic

@Communist_Gamer: A 360 MGS$, The sound/sound mix will be worse. Thats unavoidable with space limitations. The majority of the decision to go with uncompressed sound was to allow low CPU sound mixing of HD audio streams. The graphics may or may not be worse depending on if MS allows an install for MGS4. Textures can be losslessly compressed and come off the 3-8 disks it'll require. If they do 2 disks the texture quality will go down noticeably. If they go with 3 or more MS will eat their profits. The only way it's going to happen is a graphic compromised 2 disk MGS4 or else MS will make some special deal with konami and allow HD installs.

kingmanic

@DARTH_TIGRIS: It might have sold more but I believe Kojima when he said it only works for the PS3. If it came on to the 360, I doubt the quality would have been as good as now. I do not mind if Konami makes MGS4 multiplatform now due to the fact that the PS3 version is done and won't affect the quality on the PS3. Although I do wish Kojima was able in more six-axis control, so far the most interesting six-axis usage is making rosemary's breast shake.

UltimateIdiot

I can't wait MGS5!

Al87

@mlubczyk:

Hmmm.. why not ask yourself why there are "legions" of fanboys first then?

Marketing alone cannot obtain that through so many years if people did not enjoy the product.

You are not making any valid points and should really keep your comments to yourself because you are just trolling here.

nextgengamer

Look, I just think that MGS4 gets more credit than its due. The last Metal Gear Solid I played was on the PS1: Metal Gear Solid. After having played Metal Gear Solid 4, I was awestruck how little the franchise had fundamentally changed.

The collision detection is painfully obvious in CQC when an alert has already been sounded. You can also roll through the bodies of your enemies.

I don't have a camera on person, but people have posted videos of the problems with CQC combat and collision detection.

mlubczyk

It was wishful thinking, I wasn't saying a port would actually happen.

Communist_Gamer

I'm sure MGS4 can be made for X360. Just expect the cut-scenes to be substituted by comics (MGS: PO) and audio to be midi quality.

gencid

yays! i <3 snake!

SolidSnake1118

You know what people should actually buy? MLB Power Pros 2008.

Beownage

It's so sad to see this "port it to 360" plea happening. The series has profited well on PS3. They ported MGS2 to the original XBox, and it didn't sell.

Now, you tell me: stick with the console that has more space on it's disc for extra bells and whistles you want to add, and a history of the game selling like hotcakes, or porting it over multiple discs just so the fanboys can stop whining?

Squirrelbot3000

::::quietly steps past the trolls playing with their own shit and ignorance::::

Seriously, this is great news of Konami, and great news for us, since this will more than likely help green-light that next MGS. I'm curious as to what Konami does for digital distribution. Any guesses?

@ƒox: I agree 100%.

bakagaijin

According to Konami MGS4 shipped 3million on the day of its release. Fast forward to today and it has shipped 3.94 million (according to Konami). So demand has dropped off quite a bit.

Profits are up 17% for the quarter, but what was released Q1 in 2007? I honestly don't remember, but if nothing spectacular was released last year, these numbers seem quite lackluster

AsylumEscapee