You know what else is a Hardware Seller ?
Home. i bought mine for the Ps3Home. and i still have nothing.

AlejandroLestad

@Barf#1:

Thanks you. For some reason, my comment is making him feel VERY insecure. I'm glad you have some sense. The price point was part of the article, to which we are commenting.

Darth_Xehanort

I for one don't really care about LBP and it won't make me rush out and buy the console. It looks cool but I just don't see the whole need to play. Hell there still isn't anything on the PS3 that makes me want to buy it. Maybe in a year or two.

DazeOfWar

@kumuasata: lol he is on gametrailers under the same name. Also other sites. He's an unofficial Sony rep

beefgene

The problem with MGS4 was that it wasn't advertised enough. It was rare to see an MGS4 commercial on TV. But, since LBP is owned and published by Sony, I'm hoping they'll advertise it as much as possible. I hope...

DustySword

@beefgene: all he is saying is that you get more for your money which i agree with.

Barf#1

@kumuasata:

Firstly, PC elitists are no better than fanboys. Secondly, I have not acted like a fanboy at all. I am responding to the price point subject, WHICH WAS A SIGNIFICANT PART OF THE ARTICLE.

Darth_Xehanort

@FP_slomo788:

Yes, I see that we agree.

Darth_Xehanort

@kumuasata: To be fair the price question was raised in the article. And PC elitists are no better than any fanboy, sorry.

FP_slomo788

@FP_slomo788:

You are correct. It is the new IP's that ultimately draw new consumers and fans. LittleBigPlanet could play this key role. Of course, popular sequels still move a decent number of consoles, as in the case of Metal Gear Solid 4. But, I'm hoping for nothing but the best in LittleBigPlanet's future.

Darth_Xehanort

@Darth_Xehanort: Of course I do. Many will tell you that they are "options" and they are not required but the same will agree that Live is the key advantage of the 360 over the PS3. However if you pay for Live Gold (if you don't buy anything else) you will eventually pay more for the 360. However, in terms of entry prices, the PS3 is more expensive.

FP_slomo788

@Darth_Xehanort:

Just because you blindly own all 3 consoles, doesn't excuse you from being a fanboy. This is a topic about a game being a system seller, and here you are blindly instating that Microsoft is Ripping people off, Ps3 has more value, You like men crap that no one needs to hear. And by the way, you're the one being defensive, if you haven't noticed.

Damn Console Fanboys. PC Gaming for life, their community is just so much better. Too bad I own all three consoles as well.

By the way, Gametrailers, That Way ---->

kumuasata

My problem with the PS3 is the recent trend of absolutely borking the system. Fewer USBs, no backwards compatibility... and I just can't afford a Metal Gear Solid 4 bundle, which I think is the last 80GB system to have 4 USB ports and BC in it?

So if I miss it, then I won't be *getting* a PS3 unless I find a 60GB or 80GB with those features online somewhere. *le sigh*.

But no, Little Big Planet is not what will sell me a system. That honor goes to Blu-Ray.

MrBionic

What was the last game this gen that really qualifies as a system seller? As far as I remember, the biggest games of this gen - Halo 3 and GTA4, didn't have much of an impact on hardware sales and when they do it's only temporary - 2 or 3 weeks. It's probably because games are announced so far in advance now and delayed so much that people have a good idea years in advance of what system they want to buy, so most of the people who buy the game have already bought the console specifically for that game.

I can actually see LBP selling more hardware though, it appeals to a very broad audience and it's released amongst a lot of other quality Sony exclusives. I don't see it giving the PS3 Wii-like sales for months, but I think it'll have more of an impact than MGS4 because that was a hardcore game that had been selling PS3s since the console was first launched (it was actually the reason I bought one, last June).

lordofsword

@beefgene:

Really? I thought th 20GB model was $100 cheaper because they are ge3tting rid of them. The 60GB model is what counts, and I believe it is $50 cheaper. Please correct me if I am wrong, since I simply stick with the Elite, no matter how many times I have to replace it.

Darth_Xehanort

It'll push consoles if it's marketed properly. None of the consoles have a game like this, sort of.

Black-Dog-Howls

Anyone who is a good consumer would understand that the PS3/360 is more/less expensive based entirely on what you need for the system. In my case a PS3 was cheaper, but obviously that wouldn't apply to everyone. The high introductory price certainly does hurt the image of the PS3 to the average joe though.

As a LBP supporter, I still don't see this as a system seller. I think it'll do satisfactory on sales, but moving hardware is a big responsibility. I personally think system sellers are over at this point (for all consoles) unless it's influenced by price drops, not software only.

eqhara

@DethKl0k666: In fact sequels tend to NOT be hardware movers, since their fanbase already bought the console in anticipation for it- I'm speaking generally of course. Hardware movers are surprises, games people didn't expect would make them buy the console (Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo, etc). LBP perfectly fits that role, but PS3 is still too expensive.

FP_slomo788

I'm all for modding, and while LBP has some extensive level design tools, I still haven't seen anything more to gameplay than platforming.

Laho

I do not own a PS3 (360 here), and I was regretting not getting to play this until the other day, when I read this article here on Kotaku. I agree with penty85, not too much valuable user created content will come out of this, as most people won't know how to make it, or especially not how to make it well. I no longer regret buying a 360 over a PS3.

Jagged Toaster

@FP_slomo788:

I most definitely agree with you. Some people have been taking my comment way out of proportion. You are agreeing with my point. The PS3 ultimately saves the consumer a lot of money. But, to the uneducated consumer, it still looks more expensinve. This is a key factor that Sony should push a little more in advertizing.

Darth_Xehanort

I don't really see this as a system seller. A part of me actually only sees this as a glorified PSN game. For the longest time, that is all I thought it was. Personally, the average joe isn't going to rush out and buy a PS3 so they can make a bean bag creature jump. If you really want to play this, then I highly bet you already own a PS3.

Quicksilver4648

@Darth_Xehanort: "$100 cheaper" fixed

beefgene

@penty85:

I'll have to disagree with you about the modding community. Some of the most addictive games I've played were user generated/modded. Maybe you haven't you seen what I've seen or maybe you just underestimate the creativity within the general public, but given the right tools there are tons of great possibilities.

flashtut

@beefgene:

No, these things aren't mandatory. But, only someone truly pathetic would disagree when I say that these are extremely common purchases. So, for all of those people, money is saved when purchasing the PS3. That can be key for casuals looking beyond the Wii. But, alas, I have the resources to pay for all three gaming consoles, so it doesn't really affect me, personally. I don't mean to offend anyone.

Darth_Xehanort

@Darth_Xehanort: I'm perfectly aware of that, and I'm not discussing that point. What we're all saying is that the PS3 is more expensive. It might save you more in the long (or short) run, but the price is higher. You can't argue that Mercedes G500 is more expensive than a Ford Explorer, can you?

FP_slomo788

LBP look amazing , but im not sure thats the kind of game who will be a system seller. This game isnt a sequel or something so ... people dont know anything about lbp. Sure it will sell well with those who got a ps3 but im not gonna say that this game will be a system seller.

DethKl0k666

@SpishackCola:

You have to be kidding me. I own and play all three consoles. I'm simply pointing out to some that the PS3 may be able to hook more casuals than many realize, if they could only be taught the true value. I don't intend to offend anyone, and only a 360 fanboy would be offended, anyway.

Darth_Xehanort

As long as the new 80 GB PS3's are out and about before this game comes out, I'll be a new PS3 owner. I've been mainly holding out due to games that I wanted to play. There just haven't been enough games I wanted but with MGS4 out, LBP on the way, and GT5 coming eventually, it's finally time for me to be able to play that copy of Planet Earth on Blu-Ray which has patiently been waiting to be unwrapped these past few months.

We shall see....

OneLetter

@Darth_Xehanort: um, since when was wi-fi mandatory? Or a rechargable battery? Or Live service? They are called choices, a foreign word to blind fanboys. Your gametrailers tactics don't work here I'm afraid.

beefgene

in australia, a 40gb ps3 still costs 700AUD

kitsuneconundrum

@FP_slomo788:

Well, in stores, the PS3's initial price is $50 higher. But, Microsoft throws in hidden costs that the typical customer simply doesn't know about beforehand. I don't like such dirty tactics. You end up paying a lot more for a 360, which is what I am trying to point out. But, even if the 360 had built-in Wi-fi, free Online, and rechargeable controllers, the PS3 would still be a better value.

Darth_Xehanort

@Darth_Xehanort:

I'm no defender of the 360 and Microsoft's choices in the hardware arena, but let's not quote all the "optional" hardware for everyone again.

Not only has it been done, to death I might add, but obviously the consumer has proven that they don't care what features are missing so long as they can get a unit in their home.

Yes, the Mercedes is definitely the better designed car with better options. But obviously most people prefer the used Chevy with the bad radiator that sometimes overheats and breaks down. You know, UNTIL it breaks down, of course. Then they're rightly pissed off.

The analogy broke down there a bit, but I think you get the drift.

PapaBear434

I think the game is more than capable of selling systems, but I can't see them marketing this game to the masses and really getting people excited through it (unless they really, really push this game and market it everywhere). The majority of people will be like those still found at this website even who simply "don't get it".

Mit

well, I wasn't sold at mgs4, and I'm still not sold on LBP.

beefgene

@Darth_Xehanort: I see you received your pamphlet.

mind in rewind

@Thunder-1:

Great game, but I got bored of it and stopped playing.

OGHowie

@Darth_Xehanort:
Sigh, fanboys...

SpishackCola

@Darth_Xehanort: I use a network cable, I'm happy with using free trials, and I have a handful of rechargable AAs since the old Grey Brick days, and I'm doing just fine with my 360.

So, no, the PS3 is more expensive.

Lyrai

@Thunder-1:

Man, you sure are negative. But, I couldn't disagree more.

Darth_Xehanort

@Darth_Xehanort: No the 360 is cheaper. We have to be careful with words. $400> $350 no matter how you spin it. The PS3 has MORE VALUE, but it's more expensive.

FP_slomo788

I don't dislike this game (haven't played it after all), but really, user created content isn't a selling point for me. Most people aren't creative enough to warrant even looking at their content.
Look at big modding communities (say, like unreal games) and show me a worthwhile creative mod. Show me something original. Come on, show me a decent series of user made models that aren't of character they love. I'm sure this game will have some great mario/halo/final fantasy stuff made for it, but that will be it. Just like all user generated content, its just going to be someone elses creations remade.

But hey, everyone keeps saying the gameplay is fun, so good for that.

penty85

@OGHowie: MGS4 was not a hardware mover. Not more than GTA4. Those "fourth" iteration games have such strong fanbases that people will buy the consoles months before the actual release. So they sell a lot, but they don't move hardware.

FP_slomo788

Well, the PS3 is actually less expensive than the 360. Sure, the 360 is $50 cheaper in stores. But, you have to pay $100 for Wi-fi, $50 every year for Online, and about $20 for each controller's rechargeable battery packs. Plus, the PS3 will offer more features, Blu-ray, a larger harddrive, and more. So, as far as expense, the 360 is WAY more expensinve, which is a true rip-off.

Darth_Xehanort

I can't see LBP being a system seller, I have a bad feeling it's going to be the next Okami.

Thunder-1

I don't think its going to move anywhere near as many consoles as Sony is hoping. MGS4 didn't move as many PS3s as Sony hoped, and I'm sure that there were more people purchasing PS3s for that game than LBP (although, after more info was released about LBP, I'm sure it has caught a lot more peoples' attention). I just feel that the PS3 is too expensive for general family y to purchase for just one casual game. If they could create a SKU (non-360 arcade lameness of course) around $299 or less then maybe, but they'd still need to market the hell out this game. General family y doesn't really correlate casual gaming with the Sony brand.

SpishackCola

It's still too expensive. No doubt that it has the most value, but it's still too expensive. And if MS really lowers the prices this year, Sony is in deep shit. And MOAR RPGs! How they can deliberately ignore what brought PS2 to what it is now is beyond me. Only a gameplay video of White Knight Chronicles could have done a lot for the rest of the year. Hopefully we'll see more this month between Leipzig and E for All.

But I don't doubt that LBP will sell. Hardware mover? Probably not (unless it's bundled with a 80GB and a Sackboy doll for $500). It seems to be the perfect balance of casual and hardcore fun so I'd be surprised if it didn't sell tons. But again, stranger things have happened in the industry before...

FP_slomo788

@Al2x: I don't see it as a casual game.

NickyJ

It looks good, but I don't think it looks THAT good to warrant me going out and buying a Triple.

Scottendo

What I am getting, every time someone sees the trailers for the first time, is a crazy amount of excitement. People really seems to be responding to this game, and I think it has the potential to be a system seller if Sony treats it right and advertises it well.

PapaBear434

Looks fantastic. If all casual games were like this then I wouldn't mind the casual trend.

SolidOni

How much is a PS3 now?

Eddy666

I already own a PS3 and I'm not even sure if I'm gonna get this, so I don't think it'll be a system seller like MGS.

OGHowie

This was my second reason to buy a PS3. First was Metal Gear Solid 4.

PC+Mac Coexist

I just care that enough talented people create maps for years to keep me coming back. But I'm selfish.

BoringJob

It already is. I have 2 friends of mine where this game sold them a PS3.

Ahsayuni

Sadly though, as much as we think this is a casual game, no casual players will be able to see it's greatness (unless correctly advertised) so it will maintain focus on the hardcore group. Nevertheless, I can't friggin wait for this game.

Al2x

@kilikafinal: ME

LBP looks awesome its graphically beutiful but it wont sell systems and it will almost definately end up gathering dust on people's shelves months later.

As someone pointed out earlier from the Kotaku article earlier in the week, wilst playing the levels is great the creating the levels is difficult as hell. The game is clearly aimed at getting kids and casual gamers involved but these peple will be confused by the 'user generated content' and end up leaving it to one side and no one in their right ind will go "hmmmm i need a console this xmas...shall i get the PS3 with singstar and this gorgeous platform game or shall iget this cheaper console here with a massive games library featuring viva pinata, banjo-kazzoie, fable and lips?"

LBP WILL sell millions but will not shift consoles. By January 2009 LBP wil also be the biggest selling pre-owned game on the ps3. Not cause its crap but bvecause sony and media molecule have overestimated peoples creative ability.

teeps1981

@okenny :( ... not sure what to believe in anymore: Lol yeah me and Big Planet boy are two pees in a pod!

Barf#1

@WDYC:
Well, there's still months til the release date. And since this game is published by Sony, I can only expect Sony to advertise it close to release.

By the way, there already are Helghast sackboys ;)
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DustySword

Some people got uppity with me yesterday for trying to express why I want this game to succeed but feared it might be more niche then people expected in spite of the hype. This is not an isolated opinion but it's nothing to argue over either. No one wins if this game fails :(

@Barf#1: I like your honesty! Have you met LittleBigPlaneteer? He can give you the support you need :) That's what I'm about... bringing people together <3

okenny :( ... not sure what to believe in anymore

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making that was fun enough, and that's only took a handful of stickers and 5 minutes. I can't wait for this game!

mfwahwah

@fragilenin: "If Sony can handle the advertising for this game professionally..."
Christmas time Sony never seems to have the good advertising knowledge when it comes to that time of the year... (j/k)

This game reeks of media love and high expectations.That means this game will burn out like the other games loved by the media that no one ever buys.I hope it proves me wrong 'cause it does seem to be an interesting game,maybe not a must buy for me, but I'm intrigued to see how it will fare.

Xideo

i own a 360 and a wii and i'm certainly jelous of LBP. =( my fanboyishness would be sated though if DLC for mario galaxy and a hard-drive were to be released.

blisteringbarnaclesandthunderingtyphoons

If they can live up to the premise of LBP I think it could be a huge boost for Sony and the PS3. Trailing Home off the back of that wave might give that a very big advantage going into 2009.

Price is still a worrying factor for the PS3 (and 360, lets not credit MS with actually lowering much in the overal cost of the system). But given a race between the 360 and PS3 LBP could easily be a massive platform driver pushing Sony past MS month on month. If the content keeps coming and there is quality products made by users then the game could be the first ever "mod" title for a console.

Jelster

I don't think this game has been marketed well enough. Sadly the average mainstream consumer has no idea about it. Sony should have spent the time since this game was announced to market it to casuals. I think it will sell, but not as great as Sony and others are expecting. It'll also show a hardware boost, but again very minimal.

Sony could help it out by bundling it with the PS3, and also dropping the price of the PS3 the same time.

LittleBigPlaneteer

Na, really this won't be a system seller, outside gaming sites I haven't seen much in the way of marketing for this game. And this is not "casual" in any way, it may look like one for some people because its not your average "hardcore" uber graphics-space marine-bloom filled FPS but after watching some gameplay this game makes you think quite a bit more than the usual "casual" game (god dammit I hope someday we forget about this labeling this gen created....).

That does not mean this is bad, I'm waiting for this, I suck at user created content but still I might try to do something with it. I just hope that Killzone and Kratos sackboys are available at least 2 months after the game. Or that I have an option at a Snake sackboy...*drools*

WDYC

there's no doubt in my mind that sony will advertise the hell out of this game.. it's gonna be an all-out ad assault.. you can tell from sony's press statements.. but i won't even notice those ads because i'll be too busy playing socom

the_answer

@FP_slomo788: I have no clue about what Nintendo has brought to the plate but i haven't heard good things. I like Live for what it offers i don't see where the money is going to. It's not paying for extra content or dedicated servers. What is the fee for? That being said i choose Playstation for it's free online(Honest reason).

Barf#1

"you have this creativity that really is exclusive to LittleBigPlanet."

Oh my, they used the "E" word again...

Meeeh

@Darth_Xehanort: Look you might want a better known commenter to agree with you on this one. My concurence sadly doesn't better you're credability. I'm known around these parts as the sony fanboy:) But it's true:) !!

Barf#1

You guys are quick to judge a game that you've never played.

This has potential to be a system seller if advertised correctly. If I had the money I'd buy a Little Big Planet PS3 bundle (if it came in a different color of course) even though I already have a PS3.

Also, complaining about PS3 fanboys makes you look like a Xbox 360 fanboy yourself.

Don't feed the trolls. :o

la1337

@Barf#1: I don't think it's disheartening, it's just business. Compared to Nintendo Microsoft is actually an angel in that sense, and the vast majority of Live subscribers gladly pay for it.

FP_slomo788

i believe Socom Contration will sell more hardwares. i have LBP and Socom preordered, cant wait.

resetbutton

now. if sony announced a new ps3 bundle w/ LBP who wouldnt buy this game?

kilikafinal

It might be a slow burner. Of course it's going to sell well with the hardcore gamers. Where everyone else comes in is advertising/word-of-mouth. If the hardcore crowd or even the somewhat casual gamer crowd digs the game, I think that news of it will spread to casual people and after spending some time with the game, they might decide to pick themselves up a ps3 for LBP, maybe some other games down the line and even just to have a blu-ray player. If Sony can handle the advertising for this game professionally, then I think that it will move some systems. It's going to come down to getting the word out on the game.

And as for the user created content, LBP is going to reward well created content so it's not just going to be crap all over the place. They will let the good stuff keep coming out. Don't underestimate other people's creativeness. Yeah it might be hard to do things in the beginning but I bet that it won't take long for somebody to master it and start churning out grade-A stuff. It's kinda of like flash animation. It's hard for a reason. If they run the content like newgrounds.com, then I think that things will be good.

So yeah, I'm very much looking forward to this game. and are they still doing the beta in september? saw it on the wikipedia page earlier. if they are that's like three beta's going down in september...wow

fragilenin

@FP_slomo788: Live is microsoft's key to staying afloat in this business. They sell the system at a loss and then make up those losses by charging you to look at in-game advertisements. Hey whatever works but I find it it kind of Disheartening.

Barf#1

@beefgene:

I had a Gametrailers account. But, I gave it to a friend when I was a Level 1, as I quickly grew tired of the fanboys.

Darth_Xehanort

@jerimas: Why would they drop the price when the PS3 is still selling pretty well and has many highly anticipated exclusive games? Not to mention it is already the best blu-ray player on the market. Stop thinking everyone is stupid and will not do a little research before they purchase anything >_>.

failzmcgee

fwiw I'll be picking up a PS3 when LBP comes out. I *almost* got one when EoJ came out... and will also be picking that up as well when LBP hits. However, I fully expect it to exclusively be just my LBP/EoJ/BluRay machine. Oh and I might pick up Lair.... bahaha, see what I did there? :)

OneUpChucks

@LittleBigPlaneteer: What would sell PS3's this year would be to include LBP in a line up of family orientated games. Maybe bundling LBP, R&C and singstar together with a console. Adverts shoing these games to advertise to the casula market because THAT is where the money lies this xmas. The world and his wife owns a Wii now and will want to be looking for that extra step and its a line-up of games like this that will shift consoles....

teeps1981

@teeps1981: Yeah just like spore users gave up! It's not like there are asssssssssssssloads of creations up there. Spore pretty much blows all " omgs but all da kazuils wil not maik sumtin gud n dey wil jus givd up lolz!"

Everyone has made a creature they were proud of and uploaded it. The same will happen with LBP and the same will happen with other games that are as accessible as spore and LBP.

failzmcgee

I think little big planet is one of those games that bridges a lot of gaps in the gaming world. Just watching some of the videos from E3 proved it is more then just some simply game and the fact it brings back those childhood memories of playing in the backyard hooks me.

TheNexusRebound

Marketing and mindshare is key for LittleBigPlanet. Oh, and at least a $50 price drop on the PS3 in the fall. If Sony can tout LBP in mainstream magazines/media outlets like Time, Newsweek, EW, etc., in addition to the gaming mags, then I think they have a really good shot of moving PS3s as well as the LBP. The real issue is broadening the scope beyond just the gaming crowd.

As for marketing LBP, I don't know what the hell Sony will do... I guess they will try to feature the game's three main points of play, create, and share in the most accessible way possible. Maybe their TV commercials should play like creative tutorials, not unlike the charming presentation that Sony put together at E3 using LBP.

jerimas

i'm surprised how many people i've actually heard say they wanted a ps3 for this game. that doesn't mean they'll get it when it comes out, though. i didn't think this game was going to be as big as it is. still not sure if it's a system seller, either.

s0njas0n

@lordofsword:

It doesn't neccessarily have to be heavy marketing mind you. Say a sackboy image at Best Buy's and Walmart's nationwide. Perhaps a teaser trailer in a movie theatre a few months later, and so forth. Basically enough marketing so that the general market can have some idea of the character and the game. That wouldn't cost a ton if done properly. Obviously towards the release of the game, they can do heavier marketing.

LittleBigPlaneteer

@FP_slomo788: Hardcore players will make much more effort i agree and there WILL be some tremendous stuff out, i dont dooubt that. But the majority of users will end up frustrated and give up.

Games like this are nothing new. IN the past you have had similar types of games and software, albeit a little less user friendly in many respects, that have sought to allow people to create games easily without any programming knowledge but they have always fizzled out because the majority of people are crap at being creative(thats why 99% of youtube videos are shit).

If you buy a game that is primarily aimed at allowing people to create and share content how pissed off would you be when you realised what you created was always going to be crappy?

teeps1981

Just put a display of this game on the pirate level up next to the Pirates of the Caribbean ride and it will sell hardware. I don't think the outlook for this game is as grim as people are painting it out to be. It's a hardcore game that looks like a casual game. What that is going to do is make it so that hardcore gamer that is dating casual gamer might be able to get casual gamer to split the cost with hardcore gamer. Even my girlfriend, who is a Nintendo fan (because of the mascots) looks at this game and can't wait for it to come out. This game has gotten enough press on gaming blogs, gaming magazines, and gaming shows that it has caught the eye of the hardcore gamer. Come late September, this game is going to start getting enough of an ad blitz on the regular TV shows to catch the eye of the casual gamer. This game could also indirectly sell systems as it leads to more games similar to it. What Sony could do to help this game sell systems is to put together an ad with some of the PSN games that fit with this game pretty well. If Sony would make a commercial that emphasizes their creative games they could draw in a new crowd. Where is the commercial with Echochrome, LBP, Eden, Flow, Pain, Monsters, LocoRoco, and Patapon (yea, it's a PSP title, not a PS3 title)? These are the games that people will see and wonder what the hell it was that they just saw and are the types of games that people become obsessed over. These commercials for GTA, MGS, and Madden don't sell systems because they don't look any different than a commercial for XBox. Even if you only emphasize games that are Playstation exclusive like Warhawk and Uncharted, which are really good games, people aren't driven to rush out and buy a Playstation because they look similar enough to other games that are out there.

ceilingFANBOY

I've just completely lost it. @Witzbold: Hey Witz what happened over at Kotakuites?

Barf#1

@Witzbold: Don't you mean "In my opinion I do not think a game such as LBP is worth the cost of a PS3"? Because that statement in it's current form is idiotic.

failzmcgee

Sure this game sounds like it'll be amazing, but they're really hyping this to the moon. As of yet, I personally see no reason to drop down all that money to get a PS3 just for LittleBigPlanet.

PRguitarman

@Barf#1: Just kidding it is kind of weird. I guess after those This is Living commercials Sony just fired everyone responsible. Unfourtunately this included just about all of the people on the PR department.It's okay though we have Jack and Krazy KAAZ!!!!!

Barf#1

I seriously doubt that this really will be a system seller.

Since the cost of the PS3 does not really justify buying it for a game like LBP.

Witzbold

@FP_slomo788: qualifies as**

FP_slomo788

@WDYC:
lol, of course it's in the game. I even saw the mask in a developer walkthrough when they used the randomizer option. They can't just advertise something that isn't there. Trust me, it's there, lol.

And I'm also hoping there will be more characters from different sony games that will be making appearances in LBP as sackboys.

DustySword

@flashtut: They do. You will only be able to make 12 levels. Top creators will get more space and more recognition. Reporting a level will bring it to the attention of mods and you won't be able to access it. And of course if you abuse that you won't be able to report anymore.

Ie, it might be a bit hectic at first but it'll even out quickly a few weeks in.

failzmcgee

@teeps1981: I've been reading previews since the game was announced, and the one you're referring to was the single one who didn't praise the game for its simplicity (see the IGN ones). Maybe Jim got tricked by the cute graphics or the music and forgot how the physics behind the game are impressive, but honestly I don't think putting glue on wood to keep a sombrero on it qualifies has "difficult." And even if the first 10 minutes might be challenging while you are learning to what extent the creation mode is realistic, with decent controls I'm positive anyone will learn pretty quick. Besides, the creation part is recommended after playing the game, so that you have more inspiration. Just like you play the single-player portion of a game before going online. LBP is targeted at both hardcore and casuals, not just "kids and casuals." And even if a kid is not creative enough, he can just leech off of people who will actually create levels and try to impress others. I'm not saying it will sell consoles, and I really hope it sells tons so that it can give the industry ideas for future games (I'm with okenny on that one). But like many said, the problem will either be the price of the PS3, or the lack of advertising. The game itself (from what I read/ saw) has everything going for it to be a hit. If they put out a demo and advertise the shit out of tit, I can't see why it won't sell. If the PS3 was $100 cheaper, I don't think we would even be having that argument.

FP_slomo788

@lordofsword:
It's Konami's decision/responsibility, not Sony's, to advertise MGS4. MGS4 is a third party game and isn't even published by Sony. LittleBigPlanet, however, is owned and published by Sony, just like GT5: Prologue, Motorstorm, Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, etc.

DustySword

@failzmcgee:
Yes creating THINGS is easy...creating something fun for more than 5 minutes is the difficult part.

@failzmcgee: Fyi, your fanboyism is reallyyyyyyy showing.

Im sorry...you seem to be mistaking me for someone who gives a shit.

teeps1981

@Snukadaman_: MGS4? That was a highly niche game which sold buckets on a "dead" platform.

failzmcgee

*actual*

mutter

MrBionic

No doubt there will be crap created by users in the community, the challenge is to filter great games to the top. User reviews and ratings accomplishes that quite well, so hopefully Media Molecule has a robust rating and sorting feature, so that the best creations bubble to the top. Now to get the griefers to stop rating the penis themes so high.

flashtut

@DustySword:

Yeah I've seen the trailer but I fear this is just promotional and it may not end on the game. They look fantastic though.

I hope Sony can market this thing right given that as you said there is some time left, I don't care if this moves units, I just want it to be as successful as it has to be for Media Molecule to make another game (not a sequel mind you).

WDYC

@lordofsword: Hrrmm.. come to think of it, I haven't seen a lot of ads for gaming *period* lately. A few DS ads on the internet, but the last actually gaming ad I saw was for GTAIV a few months back.

Granted, I don't watch a *lot* of TV... so I'm probably just missing them.

MrBionic

@lordofsword: It's all part of the plan of... BLURAY DOMINATION!!!!!! Yes

Barf#1

Good luck with that sony...if their best game to date could not do it. Only a price cut will move those ps3s.

Snukadaman_

@teeps1981: Are you really that daft? Every single preview of the game has said that creating things was really straight forward and quite easy. The only preview that said it was somewhat hard was the one on Kotaku. Clearly the 60+ previews the game has had on other sites are wrong.

Fyi, your fanboyism is reallyyyyyyy showing.

failzmcgee

@LittleBigPlaneteer: I don't think Sony (or any other company) could afford to market a game for 18+ months. Sony just don't seem to care when it comes to marketing though, it's as though they think internet hype is all they need. I never saw a single ad for MGS4 on TV, even though the PMC ads they made for ingame would've been perfect - they'd catch people's attention and keep them watching to see what the ad is selling - but they never used them. Infact the only PS3 game I remember seeing advertised in GT5P - a demo, while the 360 GTA ad was on in every single ad break and you can't watch TV these days without seeing Patrick Stewart or Vernon Kay waggling their Wii remotes or styluses.
I just don't understand what goes through the minds of the people at Sony when they decide an almost complete lack of advertising is going to help sales.

lordofsword

@teeps1981: You don't need to make levels to play them, ya know. Level editor is one feature, but a 50-60 level SP and the creative minds of millions of people leaves a **** ton of replay-ability.

mfwahwah

@failzmcgee: "the Wii"Yup...it sold millions as i said LBP will. And how many are sat gathering dust now?

I rest my case.

teeps1981

Many people on here seem to have a hard time with not projecting their own tastes, opinions and feelings onto a given demographic. The casual crowd doesn't, in general, give a damn about what people on a site like this are saying.

My point is this. If Sony can sell Blu-ray to the parents and LBP to the kids, the casual crowd suddenly jumps in. Mom and dad have movies and some other odds and ends (maybe even some games) and the kids have a gaming system. For these reasons, this game could very well end up being a big system mover. I mean, many of us are rather upset with Nintendo and the Wii, yet the casuals keep buying. The core gamer, you and me, have to realize that we matter a whole lot less this gen. Get used to it.

mala61

@bigdude209: Sort of agree but not perhaps with the wording.

teeps1981

@failzmcgee: Never said any of those things did i. Stop being silly.

To calify my points.

1) LBP looks awesome and SHOULD be awesome.
2)LBP will sell lots.
3)LBP will dissapoint lots...not through any fault of the game but because the majority of people in general aint as creative as sony and media molecule are hoping.

teeps1981

@teeps1981: The Wii.

failzmcgee

@Darth_Xehanort: Actually the problem isn't casuals, but people who want to buy newer system for as less money as possible.

Not everybody is technology inclined enough to care about wi-fi, online multiplayer, or even hard drives.

Their are people who not care about the wii, and simply want a traditional game system for a affordable price. As much I love the PS3, I don't see it as something a parent would get compared to a 360 that is cheaper and plays the same games.

My mother along all my uncles and aunts are 40+ and sure as hell don't know about these things, and would get the most affordable thing.

Sure, I could inform them on these things, but that is assuming they would actually comprehend the stuff we already know.

The 360 is essentially cheap and appealing to any consumer who is looking for the new madden or nba live with better graphics that their child(or themselves) wants for christmas.

The consumer would only find out what extra accessories they need to play certain games of their choosing(which would increase the overall cost), so by that time it would be too late.

Maybe if an xbox360 RROD, then the would-be everyday consumer might pick a PS3 afterward. It all comes down to someone who may not know much, but may actually try to get info what each console brings to the table.

The 360 is appealing to any uneducated consumer, or one who simply like the 360's games. On the other hand the PS3 is for an educated consumer who likes the games, or one is just willing to spend a good amount of money for the brand.

That may change if Sony lowers it to a reasonable price for anyone to buy it, but that isn't happening for a year or 2.

bigdude209

I doubt LBP will push PS3s. It'll be Harold & Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay: Special Edition on Blu Ray, mark my words.

Simple_Man

@failzmcgee: your trying to hard to live up too your nickname...please stop.

Snukadaman_

@FP_slomo788: Must reitterate that all my comments have been based on a mainstream audiance. I dont deny that mnany many people will still have fun, hell...im sure i will. But in terms of longetivity for a mainstream audience it just wont, unfortunately, work.

teeps1981

@FP_slomo788: I won't need to make excuses as I never said it would sell well (although I believe it should). Read my last comment.

FP_slomo788

@teeps1981: I don't get it, are you now saying that the game is bad or that it won't sell well?

failzmcgee

@FP_slomo788: not fun**

FP_slomo788

@FP_slomo788: @failzmcgee:

Okay....Two months after launch we will reconvene and have this entire converstaion again but with you making excuses as to why it isnt as big as the hype machine said it would be.

teeps1981

@teeps1981: ... Less strawman

failzmcgee

@teeps1981: Look, I'm not saying LBP will fly off the shelves or that it will single-handedly get the PS3 ahead of the competition. But you seem to be putting the potential failure of the game on the fact that it will be tedious, fun and quickly uninteresting. I have no idea of the storyline of LBP yet I can already see the hours I will put in the game and how I will enjoy every single one of them. For that I just have to watch a couple of videos.

FP_slomo788

This is definitely a systme seller for me. Ever since I first heard of LBP I knew I was going to wait for to be released before I got a PS3.

IronMuffin_Man

@FP_slomo788: I'm a FPS fan**

FP_slomo788

@teeps1981: Except you couldn't use your creature after you've made it. Thus it got boring quickly. You will be able to play your level once you make it(also during). You will also be able to download thousands of other levels, all of which will play differently than the other.

It's not hard to understand. You will be able to make levels easily. You will be able to customize close to everything. You have local and online 4 player coop. You have a near endless about of possible level choices which other players will create for you if you can't do it yourself.

It appeals to those who can create and to those who cannot.

Also comparing mods for a TPS and user created levels in LBP is quite possible the worst comparison ever.

failzmcgee

@teeps1981: She will feel that she has been robbed because she can't use the simple tools? Come on, in every interview they guy assured that every single thing you see in the game can be done by you. That's like saying a person who can't drive a car would feel robbed by the dealer. Again, there are TONS of other ways to have fun in the game other than creating levels.

FP_slomo788

@ReadNLearn: For that to work sony would need to be marketing to the HDTV owners and i think that limits the market for them. In order to shift consoles this xmas they really need to be focussing on what MS are intending and thats the Wii owners. After all...there is probably vastly more Wii owners than HDTV owners.

teeps1981

@teeps1981: First, UT3 is a hardcore shooter game. I'm a FPS shooter and I don't think UT3 is a mainstream game. Second, you needed a decent computer and a copy of UT3 on PC to create mods (and it surely required more skills than figuring out how to stick a hat on wood), unless you would just wait for the PC modding community if you only had a PS3. Again, UT3 is as hardcore as you can get (it didn't sell well on PC nor 360 so clearly the problem was with the game itself). LBP is a 2D platformer, that's about as mainstream as you can get, at least in the presentation.

FP_slomo788

@FP_slomo788: I dont disagree with you there. These things would be cool but you are relying on others to create your levels for you (and being able to charge you for it to).

The problem is the game hype has all been around CREATING and is likely to be marketed as such. But what happens when that Wii owner whos decided she like the look of LBP gets home and realises its either a) not as simple as its been made out and B) they aint as creative as they thought? Yeah sure..they can download levels (if they pay in some cases, and as long as they are hooked up to the net)but will she not feel that she has been robbed slightly? Paid $60 for a game that she cant use as advertised?...it just takes away that excitement somewhat

teeps1981

I see this as a system mover to an extent. I don't think it is necessarily going to be the key reason why people go out and buy a PS3 who have never given it a thought before. But I certainly think it could be a reason for people who are thinking of buying a Blu-ray player to buy a PS3 instead of any other player. Also, I think it could prompt them to do it now (fall/Christmas 2008) instead of waiting until next Christmas (2009).

It will be quite interesting to see how the marketing runs this Christmas. To me it seems like a pretty good time to push Blu-ray as the player prices have come down and there are a lot more movies available. Despite what many gamers think, I honestly believe this is still potentially a huge draw to the mainstream.

As one who hasn't jumped onboard quite yet, I personally am really hoping for a new LBP PS3 bundle with the latest innards. With no PS1/PS2 experience and having never played a Metal Gear Solid game before I don't really care about backwards compatibility or MGS4, although I'll nab it at some point just to try.

ReadNLearn

Little Big Planet was one of the main reasons I decided to pick up a ps3 a few weeks ago. I'm really looking forward to it.

Methusalah

@failzmcgee: YEah...everyone mad A creature they were proud of. Woot. What about 2months, 6months down the line? do you think all the people who started using spore creator will STILL be creating creatures...of course not. Just a small percentage.

I didnt say the GAME wont be fun. I didnt say some of the created LEVELS wont be fun. What i am saying is that id ont envisage the game being as big as the hype suggests it will be a month after launch.

Look at UT3 on PS3....there was the big thing around being able to use PC mods on it and we heard nice things happening like the Lego map etc...but months on? its fizzled out.

teeps1981

@teeps1981: The thing is that you don't have to create stuff. Think about all the 2D Mario levels that have ever existed (except the ones underwater of course, unless there's that too). Now imagine all those remade but for Sackboy to run around in. Or Sonic games. Now imagine some skilled guys putting twists that will take advantage of the uniqueness of LBP: the co-op, the vehicles, the 2.5D, etc etc. And that's after playing 50-60 levels! Not to mention the replay value of the core game itself (trophies, co-op). I think there's enough content to last you at least until Killzone 2. And I don't understand why you're insisting so much that people will get bored/frustrated/tired of the game. It seems to be an amazing platformer with interesting puzzles and apparently RPG elements. The customization itself could take a few hours from you. The game is awesome and deserves to sell well imo. Unfortunately there are other variables in the equations and they are pretty important...

FP_slomo788

@kylo4: This may shock you, but not every game is for everyone.

failzmcgee

@failzmcgee: taking it all personally much?

teeps1981

@kryzhal: Wholeheartedly agree completely.

teeps1981

@teeps1981: You give a shit or otherwise you wouldn't be replying at all after your first comment. So throw that out the window.

How do you know it's going to take a lot of skill or be hard? Based on what information? Show me 1 review that says it's hard and I'll show you 10 that say it's easy and simple. Thus pretty much destroying any and every argument about skill you have.

And once more, I'll point you to spore. People said it would be hard making a worthwhile creature and the editor comes out and you see people making creatures more creative than anything you've seen.

Adiós <3.

failzmcgee

@bigdude209: If children want it parents with money will get it.

This game definitely can sell systems but it really depends, as other people have said, on how it is marketed.

@teeps1981: point 3 of your post may be remedied if media molecule themselves keep making creative stages or game types. Also contests for stages, or prizes, would be nice too.

Everything I've said is "IF," it'd be nice if things like this were clarified, or in the case of advertising, happening all ready.

I want to see this game succeed, which means that I'd have to make stages in order to help in the process. Not just simply because it may be a great game but because it seems to really encompass a gaming community where the people are able to decide what goes on in the game quickly and easily. Not simply stages that have all ready been created, or having to buy stages to continue it.

This aspect of gaming has been readily available to pc gamers, but it has involved certain level of commitment, i.e. having other programs to create textures, or some level of programming.

Halo 3 brought forge and extra game types which were nice, and to me was the best part of halo 3. But I originally thought that the stages could actually be created, and was disappointed when you couldn't.

kryzhal

@FP_slomo788: Okay...what if you dont WANT to download other peoples levels? Which, as a game selling itself on game creation is going to be an issue that arises.

teeps1981

@teeps1981: Except that like I said thousands of times before, the game does not simply rely on creation skills. There are 50 levels, fairly simple but fun and versatile customization options, co-op play, trophies supposedly and you can download other levels if you can't create your own. All that should be enough to remove the game from the "disappointing" plate to put it in the "awesome" one. If you're skilled (or if the game turns out to be as straight-forward as the dozens of other journalists have led me to believe) that is one hell of a game. And if you're replying, please don't say "what if you're not good at creating levels?" because I think I've countered that point enough for tonight.

FP_slomo788

I don't really see this as a system seller because for one this title will be priced at $109.95 here in Australia..

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and at that price along with a PS3 console {$699.95}

Game + Console $808.95....

AusGamer

@kylo4: Next year...next year!

teeps1981

I just don't get the hype for this game. I'm not that interested in it, or Killzone 2, or any of these other big games Sony has been pushing for the PS3. I want to have more games for my PS3 but can't.

kylo4

@failzmcgee: And creating levels that are funis going to take some skill.

Also again on the point of the analogy being terrible.....you seem to be mistaking me at someone who gives a shit.

In fact i dont know what your problem is. I said the game looks great and is sure to play great. What i have said is its going to be massively underused months later because the people who buy it are going to be shit at using it.

teeps1981

Unrelated to the thread, but definitely in line with some of the discussion...

I am also an owner of all three consoles. I've always been a console gamer and I probably always will be. But what I see this generation--on the part of all three manufacturers--is utter confusion. Microsoft nailed down the hardcore market fairly well only to be blind sided by Nintendo and this casual gaming trend. Meanwhile, Sony aimed too high and fell way short on a lot of promises. Now all three companies are being forced to try and straddle the boundary between hardcore and casual (and in Sony's case other factors come into play...namely Blu-Ray).

To keep this (relatively) short, I think this generation is both one of the best and the absolute worst. Yes, the competition will bring better games etc, etc. But, the price paid is that industry insiders are going to take so long figuring out what the hell is going on that your average consumer is going to either buy into one and be happy or, more likely, throw up their hands and walk away. This sort of thing can be good to a degree, but its potential to bog the industry down is as great as (if not moreso) its potential to propel it forward.

mala61

@teeps1981: Except one is a game and the other is a skill. It's a terrible analogy.

failzmcgee

@FP_slomo788: OKay lets go for an analogy.

You are on a day out and end up attending an origami workshop. You see some of the great things people have done with the oragami...someone has buil a nice boat whilst Danielle over there has created a giant oragmi Statue of Liberty. You think that looks great and want to do the smae. So after a few tips you begin folding...simple to do..folding paper. After 5 hours youve managed to produce 30 lackluste swans whilst Nigel on the next table has build an origami Taj Mahal. You realise you are shit at origami.

Because you are shit but still appreciate the work of others so you buy the origami taj mahal. You look at it for a while before finally burning it down because its a constant reminder at how rubbish you are at origami yourself.

You dont visit the origami workshop ever again.

teeps1981

@teeps1981: Not many after seeing how many games are being sold for it. Just because you read 20 different people saying they stopped using it doesn't mean the majority of people have.

failzmcgee

@teeps1981: "3)LBP will dissapoint lots...not through any fault of the game but because the majority of people in general aint as creative as sony and media molecule are hoping."

What you're saying here is almost like "MGS4 will disappoint because not everybody likes to play online." Creation is one feature of the game, and much like the icing on the cake. There is much, much more stuff to keep you busy with the game than creation (although I will agree that it's one of the major features). And even when you are done with the game, you can download the creations of others if you're not skilled. How is that disappointing?

FP_slomo788

@bigdude209: I raise you the Iphone.

failzmcgee

I'm buying a PS3 for this game. When? I don't know... Hoping for a price drop, but I'm so damn tempted I'm sure I'll go pick one up the week LBP releases just so I can have it on Day One.

Would be nice if they came out with a bundle/limited edition PS3 SKU for the game (maybe with a new low price!... probably not).

JP05

@MisterMcThursday: Would you care for some LittleBigFuel?

FP_slomo788

Maybe. If we lived in a world where a LBP "news" clip wasn't released 3 times a day. As it is, the hype machine is flirting with extremely annoying. They passed very annoying last week.

MisterMcThursday

@FP_slomo788: Youd be suprised at how the human mind works.

teeps1981

@teeps1981: Ha ha now you're just being silly. "I played this game for hours, enjoyed it with my friends, created many costumes, but can't create levels/ interesting objects. What should I do if I still want to play? Should I download free awesome Mario-like levels? Or should I just not download them and be disappointed? Yes, I think I'll just leave the levels there and be disappointed, although I had a blast playing the game." It makes sense, right?

FP_slomo788

I get blank stares whenever I bring up LittleBigPlanet in real life. I get the feeling the game's first month and the resultant user content will make or break it.

MysidianMan

I for one am baffled at the amount of support for this game. I just don't get it. It looks like a fairly straight forward game, but nothing new gameplay-wise. And they let you customize stuff. I guess it is the customization that I don't get. I don't get Spore either.

curtisawa

I haven't really been keeping up with this game, but the main point seems to be the creation utilities.
Which means I won't be buying it.
Call me old-fashioned, but when I create something that helps a company make money, I expect to be paid for it.

erlik

@teeps1981:
I actually agree with you here on the premise. This is going to be a game that has a realtivly large amount of hype preceeding its appearance, but a month later, it is going to be collecting dust. Yeah the same can be said of a Wii, and they are printing money, right? So will it sell well? Relatively sure.

I believe if you graphed the first months user generated content numbers for LBP, it is going to look amazingly like the Spore Creature Creator. It will asympotically die off as the days progress. (Starts high, goes towards 0 really fast but never reaches it) Eventually people will say "Remember Little Big Planet?" and the response will be "Yeah, that was a pretty good idea". But not a really good 'game'.

Aprotosis

I work at the Electronics section at a Target. We have two big screen TV's that constantly run ads for various games/DVD's all day long. With that said, when the charming music and first screens of LBP start playing, most people stop and look up at the screens, and I'll be damned if I don't see smiles on some of the people's faces.

So, I think in the long run, this may sell some consoles. Not enough that Sony is hoping for, but it'll sell consoles quite nicely.

FoxyGaz

@teeps1981: Why don't you just wait and see what happens instead of being so adamant that it WILL happen? I mean it's not like we all walk around with a creativity gauge above our heads. Doesn't matter anyways, those who want to keep creating levels will and MM will certainly be adding new levels themselves.

Your Lego UT example holds little bearing. I still see people creating levels with Halos forge and the're not on Kotakutas front page. That doesn't mean they haven't been created, it's just not a newsworthy item anymore. You can't use that as evidence that people aren't still creating levels. :/

The games out in October. Stop worrying about what other poeple will do, think of something yourself and for goodness sake, have fun.

Aflack: Likes slushies

Damn, I really don't see why this can't be ported to Live. My BR box is far far away.

PsycheE

I think it'll be amazing but I highly doubt this will move very many consoles...

Murderdolls

I'd love to play LBP, but I certainly won't be buying a PS3 just to play it.

No doubt it looks awesome, but I don't see it as a system seller; how much excitement is there outside of people who already own a PS3? Is there a high level of awareness of the game outside of internet junkies like ourselves?

Good games are obviously important assets, but there are very few games, if any, that could sell a system by themselves, imo.

Maybe LBP will be one of these games - we'll see.

TheCakeIsALie

I think its a bit silly to expect a niche title like LBP to actually move hardware in any appreciable fashion. If you didn't buy as PS3 for Heavenly Sword, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Resistance, MGS4, GTA4 or even Folklore for the rpg minded among us, why in the world would LBP be the game to part you with 400+ dollars?

I think no matter who promising LBP is, it still bears the stink of a niche title, almost Sony's Viva Pinata. VP is a great game for the 360, surprisingly deep and most never have and likely never will play it. I just question the expectations of Sony if they think this title will move consoles in any appreciable fashion.

Hengst2404

Just from looking at the pictures, it makes me hate this game. But I already own a PS3 so what do I care.

Furude

I love LBP. Im buying a PS3 when this comes out, hopefully a bundle.

osiris83