@Weasel3689: I agree, there have been a few titles that have used the controller's tilt features well. Unfortunately, those titles are few and far between, with most advice on most titles being to simply "turn it off". Of course, most of the Wii controls have sucked too, thanks to lazy devs doing shitty cash-in ports at the orders of their check-signing publishers.

Point is just this: The tilt was tacked on and nobody knew about it until one of Sony's *in house* teams got wind of it and tacked it onto Warhawk 2 weeks prior to E3 2006. 3rd party developers didn't have a *clue*, and it worked out fine. So will Wii Motion Plus.

jasongw

@Weasel3689: Nintendo and the complany making the Wiimotionplus have developed LiveMove II for devs that they will release before the motionplus peripheral come out. Isn't that about the same thing as what Sony did?

JokesJokes

@Rainspainplain: LOL just lol. Your comment was hilarious. Thank you.

I really don't understand what Lucas Arts would be upset about. Why would they try to build their game around a peripheral that probably won't be adopted fast enough and widely enough to support their game sales. It's just irrational and stupid.

NeoAkira

Another reason to hate Nintendo...They started going downhill since the 64...

phosphor112

@jasongw: DS3 has sixaxis or as you proclaimed "SuxAsses" technology and anyway some uses of the sixaxis have been somewhat tasteful and helpful to gameplay (Uncharted comes to mind).

Anyway this sounds like a blunder on Nintendo's part. I mean at least sony put out the 2.41 firmware devkit to third party before they released it to start to get some devs on board as is evidenced by the early Bioshock PS3 devs video showing it off).

Nintendo says they do not desire to alienate third party devs but have really not done anything to back it up. However, I don't think that LucasArts has the right to complain since they wouldn't be able to release it with the game when it comes out in Sept. (though they coulda seen that from their reveal of the game almost a year ago and began building a relationship to build the game ground up with motion plus in mingd but I don't think that Nintendo had the motion plus as more than a pipe dream that far back in the works).

I wanna believe that you will support third party Nintendo, so that I can justify a wii purchase, but I don't see a bright enough future to convince me its worth the cash at this point.

Weasel3689

@TheHeeyyy: Aha! I am vindicated!
@wild homes on the range!: Don't confuse me like that!

JokesJokes

Man, with the missteps Nintendo has made this year, the company is lucky for Sony's arrogance with the PS3's cost and development woes. I'm sure the Wii would still have done well had the PS3 been priced reasonably and didn't cost so much to develop for (it's not laziness to not want to essentially burn money to work around the PS3's architecture), but the with Sony essentially burning the brand name advantage with the PS3 I'm sure that helps to cover somewhat for Nintendo's mistakes.

I'm still a big Nintendo fan, but ouch!

Zunnoab

this is why all the hardcore gamers gave up on nintendo.

Why do they bullshit us so?

EvilMarshmallow

This is why Nintendo will NEVER have great 3rd party franchise support. They only care about pimping the Magical Plumber.

Mr.SithNinja

@wild homes on the range!: Am I? I thought they said q1 09? Oh dear, has the confusing fiscal year thingee got me again?
CHECKING NOW
IGN hasit listed realasing in Q2 2009. When is that exactly? Anyone know?

The Clone Wars game comes Nov 11
The Force Unleashed comes Sept 16

Those still predate Holiday 08 by a good amount. Im surprised the clone wars is releasing so long after the movie...maybe the show will lend it some selling hype.

JokesJokes

That pitchfork and torch really sells it. =)

Still, a lightsaber game with actual lightsaber combat...

It'd be the greatest thing since Man first learned to whack his little brother with a plastic sword.

WittyUserName

Forget Motion-Plus, what ever happened to that Johnny Lee guy's amazing homebrew stuff where he used the infared camera in the wiimote to make head tracking 3D environments, digital white boards & a Minority Report-esque GUI?

The motion sensing is great but the Wii is capable of other amazing things too. No matter how accurate the wiimote can move in space it can never recreate the feeling of a sword fight, there's no resistance when the player hits another sword. Unless.. they could put magnets in the the upcoming Super Nintendo Wii to make it feel like you're getting pushed back by things! Whoa.

katsujinken

@Bokusatsu_Tenshi: they used to. Capcom carried them last gen. without Capcom they would have gone belly up imo.

MisterMcThursday

The thing I remember when the motion plus was announced was that on Kotaku, the story immediately before it was Sega basically fucking up what was supposed to be a surprise announcement by blabbing it.

So I'm not exactly sure why companies are mad at Nintendo for hiding this when there's this long history of third-party companies ruining surprises and secrets that the first-parties would have liked to, you know, kept secret.

Lyrai

@Bokusatsu_Tenshi: Of course, some of them just go ahead and burn the contract, but it seems to be the case for most of them.

Bokusatsu_Tenshi

@wild homes on the range!:

"It will be bundled with the sports game collection Wii Sports Resort, which is scheduled for release in Spring 2009."

[en.wikipedia.org]

TheHeeyyy

And the clone wars fighter looks ungoodly anyway. Why's everyone backing lucasarts when they're dumping a reskinned version on the force unleashed's dueling engine on a disk as a full priced retail game? And how would this affect the clone wars whether lucasarts knew about it or not? I say again, the peripheral's not coming until 2009. The movie is coming out friday. They weren't going to wait for it whether they found out about motionplus at e3 2008 or E3 1998. Doesn't make a bit of difference.

JokesJokes

Funny part is how it seems that Lucasarts found out what everyone already knew just now.

Nintendo doesn't give a rat's ass to any 3rd party developers. They simply don't want any other developers to make good games, period.

Why should they let Lucasarts make the best game using the "peripheral the Wii should have since it's release" and shadow their own... Wii Sports 2 or whatever?

Why do you think Wii has that much crapware?
3rd party developers probably all sign a "we will not make good games" contract.

Bokusatsu_Tenshi

@jasongw:

"Suxaxis?" Really? You're going with that kind of pathetic, loyalist tripe?

But, checking your post history... Yeah, I guess you are. Without reservations, I might add.

PapaBear434

@jasongw: Also, shut up. It's a valid story, originating in a valid publication, that happened to wind through GAF. It's not any kind of rumor. So why is your (SuxAsses?) fanboy self getting worked up about it? Grow up.

wild homes on the range!

@Saint Anima: Nonsense, SuxAsses is the default name for the Sony controller, LOL :). And it DOES suck, hence it has been replaced by the Dual Shock 3 :P

And seriously, Kotaku used to be a bit more respectable than to post such tenuously connected flamebait. Apparently their standards are slipping.

jasongw

Motion Plus isn't coming out until Spring 09. Lucasarts would of had to delay their game anyway, which they wouldn't do since it goes along with the movie.

DonWii

Also-- Nintendo don't need stinking lightsabers. They leaked the Motion Plus details to Square-Enix, who are readying some sweet, sweet Bushido Blade III action.

wild homes on the range!

That picture is awesome. And, I feel for you, LucasArts. I still want a 1:1 lightsaber fighter.

Xemnas

@jasongw: Whining? You sir, shouldn't be complaining about Kotaku when you seem to be whining yourself about the posts and the sources.

Also, you lost credibility when you said "SuxAsses". Just saying.

Saint Anima

@JokesJokes: If by 2009 you mean Holiday 08 with Wii Sports Resort, then yes. But if by 2009 you meant 2009, you're wrong.

wild homes on the range!

anyone have a link to the article? Seems the one posted is bringing me to the front page with no sign of the piece (unless I'm missing it)

Cell9song

@jasongw: Their fingers ache to use the razor...it calls to them

JokesJokes

@drunkentyger: ...how exactly is it thieving?

Also, Clone Wars is a fighting game... all fighting games suck, science has proved this... I don't know how exactly maybe it is just my personal bias against fighting games that led to me making up something.

I doubt it is going to be a super lightsaber dueling game and whatnot anyway. Mainly because of the positioning of the characters on screen, you wouldn't be able to do much with the extra motion capabilities anyway...

Gravnar

@GrimCW: you ask that the third party publisher sink more money rehauling the game because nintendo felt like keeping a secret?

Grumpz®

To clear up what I said, ever since Lucasarts axed off a bunch of their employees after the hardest part of the Force Unleashed was completed and a possibly successful game was on the verge of release...I think they are shitheads.

MisterMcThursday

As a general rule, games based on movies suck. I don't think enhanced motion control is going to help.

Silent Predator

Motionplus isn't even coming outuntil 2009, was lucasarts seriously going to delay the force unleashed until then to take advantage of it? Or the clone wars? Not a chance! So I don't think this is as big of a deal as they're making it seem. If they want to delay the wii version of the force unleashed until 2009, go ahead.

JokesJokes

Haha and the icing on the cake is that they successfully kept it a secret to unvail it at the worst presser I've ever seen.

gils0n

Lucasarts shits on PC gamers, Nintendo shits on Lucasarts...

I love the smell of karma in the morning.

PenguinJim

Well... to be fair. Nintendo had to have SOMETHING at their E3 Conference...

... bastards :(

MetaKz

And Kotaku, what the hell is wrong with you? Bring out the flamebait based on a *forum post* based on a tidbit in a magazine? Christ, what is this, the Enquirer?

jasongw

what better way to get third party support then to anger them

LemonproX

I don't blame them. This is absolutely asinine.

gils0n

Who would have thought that a major game publisher/developer/money crapper would have held out on tech that they made? Crazy stuff this right-to-whatever-you-want-with-your-own-technology thing, eh?

AcidCrownie

admittedly it was a dumb move on Nintendo's part, and i wouldn't blame Lucasfarts from pulling their game altogether now.
but since the game is still in the dev state, they could delay that version and add the motion plus if they really want it. You KNOW the fans do, but will Lucasfarts comply?
nah, just like EA or Ubi, they're more apt to release an unfinished, unpolished, alpha tech demo as a full game just to make hype money before everyone realizes they've been duped and get pissed off.

gaming has taken a huge hit over the years, especially with this "casual" games BS, and GFX over gameplay all tha way attitude.

dun get me wrong, i love Crysis, and even if i can't get a perfect FPS out of it, i still run it maxed with less issues than most Ubi games, but its one of few gems out there these days that aren't trying to just look good, but actually have some depth to the games style and play. (it may not have been "true" sandbox, but the choices were all there on how to approach each situation individually, unlike.. oh lets say Halo? the supposedly "innovative" game that played the same in all 3 titles with minimal change and had a story and play style as archaic as a mayan temple. good series of games, but by no means "great" IMHO)

GrimCW

I'm actually surprised by this. A lightsaber game with 1:1 control would sell HUGE, and allow Nintendo to actually back up their humorous claim that 3rd party games sell well on their latest darling. This, of course, would convince other third party game makers to do something on their system, which would again allow Nintendo to boast about their third party support...

Instead, they keep their cards so close to their chest, they are unwilling to toss any on the table to play.

PapaBear434

What an epic picture. It truly is.

FeatherNET

While the news is very saddening, the picture is pure win.

minimelo321

I'm one of those that loved the Gamecube, lots of great games on the platform despite Nintendo's 3rd place marketshare. Well, now that Nintendo is on top this generation, the software lineup is padded with digital-shit encrypted onto single layer dvds.

I wish Nintendo was still failing, because now that they have achieved success, they completely fail.

gameware

Oh shut up and stop your whining. Yes, they should have brought in 3rd party devs. They didn't, just like SONY didn't bring any devs in on the goddamn SuxAsses controler, and guess what? They got over that.

Man what a bunch of whiny pissants.

jasongw

I'd laugh if they were pissed enough to cancel development.

Tyrannical

....and Nintendo says -- "SO?"

LISA FORWARDS

@MR. FAP★FAP!: Yes, at least this way LucasArts has an excuse to why it will suck.

Deus_EpS

This doesn't really surprise me. Nintendo is all about first-party.

Strangelove

i was saying lucas arts should be pissed to someone when it was announced. Nintendo is so stupid sometimes. I mean they make money by the truckload, no doubt about it, but they really should care about some of their supposed business partners. They treat the people making games for their system as competition and then wonder why third parties can only muster the energy to do half assed ports and shit shoveling. "Let's take a flash game and add waggle control." is the general concensus for third party profiton the wii.

Grumpz®

Yeah, sick of them making the same games over and over too. (Mario Kart, Metroids, their Mario sports games, so on and so on). Since Power Pros baseball is on PS2 for $20 cheaper, I have no reason to own a Wii anymore. Once in a while we'll play Wii bowling but that's it. As far as Wii Motion Plus, that is how I assumed the Wii remote was going to be in the first place. Unbelievable. You shouldn't be able to play Wii bowling without doing anything close to a bowling motion.

Rainspainplain

Oh please. We all know that upcoming Star Wars game is going to suck on the Wii, anyway.

At least this way we can keep our hopes alive for a good, true lightsaber fighting game that won't suck...only to have those hopes dashed over and over and over and over again for the next several years.

MR. FAP★FAP!

I AM ANGRY!!!!! I DON'T EVEN OWN A WII AND I FIND THIS MADDENING!!!!1oneone It probably doesn't have anything to do with my undying love for LucasArts either; TBH. But I want a lightsaber game where I can control what the lightsaber does to a T!

/rawr /cry /hidesincornerstillcrying

Utmu

I honestly could give a crap less about Lucasarts.

MisterMcThursday

Nintendo seriously has something big in its ass... don't they think it's a little important for people like LucasArts to know these kinds of things? Once Nintendo starts caring about the customers and stops only caring about profit, I'll buy.

ngc6027

UGH. Fuck, Nintendo! FUCK!!

Ichidou

I know Nintendo didn't want to afford a leak in the WiiMotion Plus announcement at E3 by telling 3rd parties about it ahead of time, but aren't those the same people you're trying to get to come back to make games for your systems?

Lucasarts easily has every right to be the most pissed out of all the 3rd party developers about WiiMotion Plus. "Wait Nintendo. You're telling me that we could have made a 1-to-1 lightsaber game, but you didn't want to spoil the surprise for E3? Stay there, I'm going to find a chair to beat you with."

SpishackCola

I million nerds cried out and died tonight. I am one.

johnknee777

WTF NINTENDO?!

you untrustworthy, thieving, capitalists!

drunkentyger

Nintendo hasn't given a shit about anyone but Nintendo for generations. The only difference with the Wii is they can tell everyone to fuck off and still make money like crazy.

Darkest Daze

I guess I will have to depend on my "force" rather than my none-so-wii-sensor-plus "wiisabor".

eeryee

Guess they didn't learn this when they started falling out of first place the last few Gens....

Now that they are back up...going to make the same mistakes?....alright.

Vecha

Lucas Arts is going to cash in with sales of the games it has coming out this year, and will come out with a game actually using the motionplus next year. This will pull in more money.

Cry a bit more. It isn't like your company isn't going to develop for the system again, because you'll have another chance to pull in even more cash with a more accurate iteration of the game.

And for those crying about Nintendo hating hardcore gamers and all this, please stop acting like Nintendo poisoned the water supply. The smell of entitlement is horrible.

tron-mexico

@kelbear:
not really, devs will see this as nintendo having a lack of confidence in them and won't even opt to make a Wii game if such "important" items to the development of certain types of games (namely almost anything on the Wii would benefit from this peripheral) are kept from the third party eyes.

it just ruins Nintendos already bad credibility :/
they probably should just go the way of Atari or Sega at this point once the Wii dies off... unless they actually OPEN the floodgates, they aren't going anywhere but down after a stunt like this, and once the fad wears off with the only could be dreamed for hopeful death of the emo sub culture (if yer gonna whine about life so much and threaten suicide... plz just do it and save my ear from further ringing noises from my already headache inducing tinitus)

GrimCW

@LISA FORWARDS: Nintendo don't say anything since you can't hear them through the piles of money.

Emiat

I'd be more sympathetic if lucasarts actually was working on an ultimate lightsaber game, rathe rthan a pack of bullshit ps3 ports like you know they are.

Marasai

Cloak and Dagger actions always lead to frustrations.

Scarleth

Man, I've loved and supported Nintendo since I was 8 years old, but this kinda bullshit pisses me off. If it wasn't for my 8 year old I would sell the fucking Wii already.

Friscodude

@sarcasmOD: You're right, but motionplus isn't essential either. Livemove II is for motionplus.

JokesJokes

I don't blame them.

Spootythegameguru

Well you'll buy it anyway, and third-party devs will use it anyway. Why do they care about telling anyone earlier? They'll get the money anyway.

kelbear

@JokesJokes: Not exactly, six-axis is not essential to the game play of every game on the PS3. Motion sensing with the Wiimote, however, is.

sarcasmOD

@Grumpz®:
no i said if they wanted to make more money they would consider it.
they'd move more units to people who wouldn't even consider a Wii just by having the bait of a 1:1 lightsaber game, than any of Nintendos little fad games will ever pull off.
Nintendo also screwed themselves over in this obviously.
personally i'd rather see Lucasfarts take a stand and just pull their support of the Wii.
I mean, what was it "most" people thought of when they first announced the wii being motion controlled? Star Wars and Light saber games. Nintendo really would suffer if Lucasfarts were to pull out, as a majority of the massive StarWars fanbase would probably walk out with them
i like my Wii, but i'd be pretty pissed to if i were a dev/pub company working on a "hot title" that could've benefited from this little tidbit.

@Gravnar:
i'd like to see the science behind all fighting games sucking, cause if that were true, then all these continuing lines of Mortal Kombat, DoA, Tekken, Street fighter, etc.. must be a joke and not even exist beyond the first or second installment. But considering most are either somewhere between their 3rd and 4th installmant if not moreso... this science must be as flawed as ol' JT's perspective on life.

they just aren't your cup'o'tea is all, just like i can't stand sports games and see as much point in playing them as i do in watching the real thing on TV.
its just no fun unless your out there checking someone down into the ice face first.

@PapaBear434:

i agree with him though, the sixaxis thing is a joke at best :/
even though the few PS3 games i've got/tried have some use for it somewhere, i've just never seen any actual use for it since the analog control is thrice accurate and just more useful.
i think the only time i've actively used the sixaxis is in MGS4 to shake off cammo patterns, but i didn't even know that worked till some 2/3 of the way through the game, cause i don't even consider the sixaxis bit a control... its just so.... stupid...
and it murdered what "could have" been a good game at best with what happened to Lair :/

GrimCW

hope nintendo apoligizes to lucasarts cause i want a lightsaber game with motionplus

rob61920

@Weasel3689: Also, *I* didn't proclaim it SuxAsses, the internet at large did (and for good reason), I merely aped it :p

jasongw

@LISA FORWARDS:

Nintendo: The Dick Chenney of video-games confirmed

Gutter_Trash

Wow at everyone acting like this year could have amazing 1:1 games when the friggin thing is not goign to be launched till Q2 2009, I love the internet hate machine, you all lovely sheeps are really funny.

Back on topic, whine all you want, by next year or 2010 you will have games using this and you will have money in your pockets.

WDYC

@ghostadv: Uh. No, sorry. I'm going to continue bashing them. Here's why!

Please tell me, of all the big publishers out there, how many are actually taking a chance on making decent Nintendo titles? Any? Hmm, nothing too notable. Mostly the Japanese companies, with some Tenshus and some Fatal Frames. That's about it.

So, before this point, what makes you somehow believe that had Nintendo actually announced this to third parties before hand that we'd see any more actual decent games made from the system?

In other words, yes. I'll continue to bash the clods at LucasArts, EA, Activision, and wherever else that want to treat the Wii like a PS2 Port Hub. Sure, Nintendo certainly could've announced it, and maybe it'd of been better if they had, but I doubt it would change much at this point.

Ampillion, Dayman. Fighter of the Nightman.

The fact that Nintendo didn't tell one of their more popular third-party developers (or ANY for that matter) is a really big PR blunder and it just seems like a huge, lost opportunity.

That said, I echo @Ampillion, Dayman. Fighter of the Nightman. and add "Quit your bitchin' and do your research."

Kotaku themselves have shown an article, "Open Relationship" with the INDEPENDENT makers of the Wii MotionPlus. Nintendo doesn't own them or have exclusive rights. If LucasArts had been really invested in making the best lightsaber game possible for the Wii, why didn't they find out about this company, just like Nintendo did.
Hell, there have been multiple true motion videos on the web for months now, using kluge-ier tech.

Don't tell me they didn't analyze the hell out of what the Wiimote was capable of for "Lightsaber Game". If it was coming up short for what they wanted, they should have been searching for something to help, software OR hardware. WiiMotionPlus could have been an add-on for the game and LucasArts could have taken all the credit for the ultimate Wii accessory.

LucasArts: Don't blame someone else for your own ignorance.

StrikerGold

@JokesJokes: My bad, friend. I don't know why my brain told me Holiday 08. I'm blaming it on brain damage caused by DJ Ravi during the presser.

wild homes on the range!

@Ampillion, Dayman. Fighter of the Nightman.: Chances are Lucas Arts weren't the only ones getting shafted by not being told info about the motion plus, so quit bashing them. Nintendo really fudged up, considering that once all the casual players get bored of the Wii, they're pretty much screwed. There aren't enough hardcore players to care for Nintendo anymore.

& yes I owned a Wii for a year and a half, and sold it seeing how I only had about three games that were worth keeping (one of which a port.)

ghostadv

Someday people will realize that if you had a 1:1 sword fighting sim you would be to busy crying over no actual feed back and how damn hard it was to beat a opponent...

Suda51

I'm going to ignore most of the whining about Nintendo posts that flood these usual comment sections, and tell LucasArts to, ahem. "Go Fuck Yourselves."

Firstly, you went and sacked all your employees after they made the game. What sort of confidence do I have in the game ever receiving any further support from anyone if the team that worked on it got the ax as a reward for their hard work?

Secondly, we all know that the Wii version of the title was handed to some third-rate port team who's development experience is right up there with the guys who make Imagine! Babiez. You don't have any right to cry about Nintendo not telling you about an add-on that you wouldn't have supported anyway, because YOU shoehorned the team doing the PS2 title into making a Wii version as well.

So, I'm not sure how you can be pissed that you can't make your shitty second-rate port more sellable when you weren't even going to put the effort into it anyway.

Ampillion, Dayman. Fighter of the Nightman.

Its the Nintendo "Circle-of-money-making"
1.Nintendo releases new (insert hardware here).
2.Nintendo makes mad money with said hardware.
3.Everyone else scrambles to port something to said hardware to make some "easy" money.

Nintendo gets rich, everyone else cries.

I'm just happy that Sony and Microsoft haven't made people start buying accessories that are mandatory to enjoy the system. Dang it! The Wii was supposed to be the cheap system!

Akira119

Things like this are why even the PS3 are more winners in my eyes than nintendo.

I hope they eventually die as a company after this console generation. They deserve it.

Dalren

Nintendo bad at third-party support -- news at six.

Philudo

With the original Wii-mote, the controls were only precise enough to allow for broad gestures and hand movements.

Apparently, the Wii MotionPlus's 1:1 control is so precise, it can actually detect when you're giving 3rd party developers the finger.

EmpressInYellow

@jasongw:How can anyone take anything you say seriously? I really like the Wii, but this sort of thing is not only bad for developers it's bad for me as a consumer. What harm would there have been in allowing 3rd party developers in on this? Oh my it is leaked that Nintendo is coming up with a gadget to make the Wiimote work as it was originally advertised.

MitchCumstein-III

@AcidCrownie: They didn't make it, and it's not "their technology".
[kotaku.com]

CockneyKaiser

Lucasarts isn't exactly a powerhouse Dev by any stretch of the imagination. How many games are they releasing on the Wii?

Pornosaur

@GrimCW: "devs will see this as nintendo having a lack of confidence in them."

Tell me, what third party companies have impressed you or have impressed Nintendo thus far, without the peripheral? They'll never say it, but I don't think Nintendo has ANY confidence in most third-party devs/publishers to take advantage of the tech available. Atlus (Trauma Center), Capcom (Zack and Wiki, RE4 Wii), hell, even Ubisoft has a few good titles amid the crap (No More Heroes).

I see non-stop complaining that Nintendo is at fault for the lack of 3rd party games. They are responsible for the core tech, yes. That's all. Its up to the devs to get some freakin' creativity and make some great games that aren't ports.

StrikerGold

@wild homes on the range!: You can feel free to justify it all you want, but the bottom line is that this is sketchy "reporting" at best. How about we hear it straight from the developer's mouth?

jasongw

For being such a pivotal device, it was asanine to keep the wii motion plus from developers.

-Bass4TheFace-

LucasArts angry? Uh oh...

*cue The Imperial March*

NeVeRMoRe666

@wild homes on the range!: Oooh! Ravi was bad, wasn't he? Physically hurt me to see him materialize out of the myst instead of a kid icarus trailer. No big.
With all this talk about motionplus, I want to know how many people here think project hammer might possiby be revived for release? I want me some project HAMMER! I sent Nintendo an email about it on the general comments section of their websight, but I'm betting that will do about as muh good as an online petition. Still... everyone join me in my futile protests! We may not make nintendo listen, but we can sure let that guy who has to read and reply to those emails feel our wrath! Unless I'm the only one who cares about HAMMER. Just me here?

JokesJokes

LUCAS ARTS:
"Yeah Nintendo, you should've told us this beforehand so we could, you know, tack it in the game at the last developing part, instead of trying to do a carefully thought game built with the motion plus in mind as a basic component. Now we're gonna hafeta go and do that! Spaank you, helpy-helperDUH!"

BigBooBuddy

This could have been very beneficial to Samba De Amigo as well, ya know. I hope that Sega delays it. Motion plus would be awsomely helpful in the recognition.

blizzardjesus

where did it say "totally pissed"?

silentbob343

I doubt most of those complaining were developing anything good on the Wii, let alone something that actually needed a 1:1 motion system. I'm suppose to buy that third-parties were "upset" about this. Are they suppose to feel betrayed after all the shovelware the Wii gets? I'll bet it's just an excuse so they can say "we're not supporting the system anymore because of Nintendo's action with regards to Wii Motion Plus." Big whoop. There goes another party game being canceled. Whatever shall we do? I'd have more sympathy if developers have actually shown much effort for the Wii in the first place. Better control for the same lousy games isn't much to cry foul over. Besides, who is to say WMP was ready. I mean that's what conventions like E3 is for, to tell business partners of new concepts. It's not even releasing now, it's next year.

As for LucasArts, Force Unleashed would probably not have used WMP seeing it is being developed across multiple platforms. WMP isn't going to magically make their games better if from the beginning they haven't even sorted out making Clone Wars work well without it. I mean they said they were making the ultimate lightsaber wielding game without any knowledge of WMP. Was that true or was that all just talk. If they really think they can do a better job with it, then delay it. Otherwise make a different game. Make a sequel, or perhaps an actual adventure game.

questworld

They should have tell that the motionplus was going to come out. So they could better the controls and since they dont have a harddrive on the wii they cant make a path for the game later on. Like they do on the PS3 games. So sweet to own a PS3 :D

Games can easily be updated.

Crippen

@-Bass4TheFace-: I don't think anyone is denying that, but it's not like they're the first developers to do such a thing, as has been pointed out now, Sony did exactly that with the tilt features of the sixaxis controller. Nobody outside of Sony knew about it when they announced it, and *internal* Sony teams only learned about it 2 weeks before the announcement.

It is entirely possible that no final decision was made on what form WMP would take until just not long before E3. I doubt we'll ever know the truth, but whatever else is true, people are making Waaaaaaaaaay too big a deal about this.

jasongw

Doesn't matter. Nintendo would want to be the first to use it with one of its games. There's no way LucasArts would delay Clone Wars to next year.

M

Oh boo-frickin'-hoo!

Now you know the technology is out there. GET TO WORK!

boopadoo

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.

crzisme

Nintendo is a joke of a video game company. Now they are more of just how much money can we swindle out of the people and release crap company. but I guess that is to long to say so Wii will just call them a crappy video game company.

Assassin_Kensei

It's a bummer that Nintendo didn't let third parties in on the secret sooner, but couldn't they simply tweak the game's control mechanics and delay it a bit? It might take time to implement a different control system with this new peripheral, but it's not like they have to redo the game from the ground up.

Sorry if someone already said this. I too tired to dig through 100+ comments. I'm off to get some sleep.

天

I like how Nintendo was upset over their lack of third party support in the gamecube days, and now that people are willing to develop for their console they do everything they can to keep them in the dark.
All they have done now is set it up so that if anyone WANTS to develop around the motion plus they can't get started until maybe now. The thing will launch with only wii sports resort backing it up.
The peripheral already threatens to split the wii userbase due to possible forced use for future Nintendo games, but now it is angering the developers.
Good Job Nintendo. Good Job!

Demonbird

How appropriate, LucasArts, you fight like a cow.

Johnny_Under

@MisterMcThursday: I have read your comments, and I agree. That is all.

Perhaps if they made a good solid game too (imho) then I would be a bit more on there side.

furiku

Why am I not surprised? Way to alienate third party devs, Nintendo. You're not helping your relationship with them.

VengefulRonin

Who needs 1-to-1 lightsaber game when you can bang each other on head with plastic dildo resembling objects in Wii Sports Resort? (thats what Iwata probably thinks)

Zorba

wan't 3rd party devs slow to create good games on the Wii because Nintendo failed to hand out dev kits etc.? Just wondering cos I don't really know but if that is the case then Nintendo has really screwed over the 3rd party to try and get some cash.

Llost

@GodKiller1: What makes you say that? (that nintendo knew motionplus would eventually come out when the wii was released). Any proof whatsoever to back that up? Or were you saying nintendo knew the force unleashed would eventually be coming when they released the wii and that's the worst part? I'm a bit confused as to what you're trying to say here... Either way I think you're wronger than a dead baby joke.

JokesJokes

I agree this sucks...no whats worst about this?

I will tell, just hold on it comes next line...
Nintendo KNEW this would come out, when the wii came out!
WHY did they wait like this?

I think nintendo should pay a part of the game production, and delay it a couple months just to make sure, that it's FREAKIN UBER! ;)

GodKiller1

@PenguinJim: My thoughts exactly.

Quest

And they can't make a sequel? :D

pleeeasseee. Lucas were never going to put any effort into their lightsabre game, it was always going to be a sub-par starwars game with 'waggle' tacked on.

nice way to make an excuse for a shitty game though.

jigglypoofs

@questworld:

So by trying to create a decent game and Ninetendo basically playing c*** blocker is fine because it was PROBABLY going to suck anyway?

Tietsu

Nintendo is stupid. Releasing new hardware but saying that it won't be used by the majority of games. What, they create the MotionPlus just for the Wii Sports Resort game alone? It makes no sense.

Call it karma for laying off their employees. Fuckers deserved it.

Right...because LucasArts has been responsible for the worst games in the industry. Right behind Ubisoft they are.

besides, shouldn't Nintendo try and make things NOT suck on the much heralded system?

Anyway you cut it Nintendo f***ed up.

Tietsu

@Ampillion, Dayman. Fighter of the Nightman.: Exactly.

So who at LucasArts is complaining exactly? They sacked all their actual development people!

I would think nintendo fans should be even more pissed, considering that game will likely not be revamped just for motion+.

RaepGoblin

Cripes, if the ignorance in this thread is a representation of the hard-ly core, then maybe Nintendo actually SHOULD abandon them. Cripes, both games will be out within 3 months, and Wii-Motion+ won't be out for at LEAST 8 months.

Word on the internet is that development kits weren't even finished by E3'08, and even if they are ready by now, the problem is that these Star Wars games would have needed them about 7-8 months ago in order to be integrated into the game properly. And considering the E3 demonstration, I think they still have room for improvement.

New Star Wars movie coming out is?! I would have thought they'd be promoting the seventh episode by re-packaging the other six in new DVD bundles. Oh well, I wasn't expecting the new Indiana Jones thing either.

Knukleur

could hold back the wii version for a bit and give it motion +

Däm. I hoped they secretly knew and already used it.

@katsujinken: Giant magnets to push you back?? LOL.

LucasArts was going to let Nintendo license the FORCE for their next console - so it could use the force to throw lamps or some of those porn dvd's you have laying around at your head while you play Wii2 (you know, for "total immersion"), but now, Nintendo is screwed!!
Good luck with those magnets, Nintendorks!

trigger2

Yeah nintendo has something up their butts alright. its called the wii-mote.

Nintendo has a history of treating their 3rd party devs as "competitors". It's sad, but not surprising.

Tzepish

@: I know for a fact that that's not true. I know of at least one company that already has it's development kits up and running.

Where do you think Nintendo got their Wii Resort demo from!?

Nintendo are fools if they think I will pay for such a ridiculous device. I have never ever had a problem with my Wii-Mote before so to charge people for more accuracy is asinine.

LeLoi

Well, that's not very nice! :(

.em.

Well, seems like nintendo people are saying get over it, but then that's not surprising. I think this just reinforces the the image (fair or unfair) that Nintendo barely pays lip-service to third-party developers.

Tull

@Darkest Daze:

/agree

EnigmaNemesis

I blame Reggie's face

Orionsaint

well, that sounds like Nintendo to me.

@VanGuardian1: Shush. Don't try to enact any sort of common sense or intelligence in a Nintendo Bashing thread! I mean, we're all supposed to blindly hate Nintendo for no good reason, so do it! =/

Ampillion, Dayman. Fighter of the Nightman.

What a lot of people don't seem to get is that Nintendo had LucasArts talking about Clone Wars at their E3 press conference, saying that they were releasing the ultimate light saber game (which is what everyone had been begging for) and just a few minutes later, Nintendo announces their own sword fighting game (mini-game) that uses a brand new peripheral. That is crapping on your developer. I watched it live and thought about how that made the Clone Wars game completely useless before it is even released.

I know that some people think that it is common sense or intelligent to defend Nintendo for everything that they do. I also know that some of the same people hate everything about LucasArts (or EA or Ubisoft or Sony or Microsoft). I guess that I just don't have enough common sense to blindly hate one company and blindly defend another one regardless of the situation. I suppose that I am not intelligent enough to base my opinions on the situation itself rather than on the parties involved.

I thought they had a "3 uninspired Star Wars games per year" quota. If anything, this just gives them another excuse.

MysidianMan

Wow....well we all expected this...I mean it's NINTENDO after all. I must say, I made a foolish decision to get a Wii thinking Nintendo actually cared now but...looks like I'm wrong..they don't give a flying fuck about anyone but themselves.
Shows us Nintendo's true colors....again.

xMatt

@xMatt: And...what made...you think...Nintendo...cared...? Did they...send you...greetings...cards...or something..? They...are a company...
Considering...Nintendo...MS...and...Sony all only want...our money...and all...lie and insult...us...your reaction....puzzles me...more than your...periods......

PenguinJim

@:

There's no question, it was a total shite thing to do to Lucas Arts. But worse than that, it bothers me as a consumer because I would have loved to use this peripheral for Clone Wars, and now because of Nintendos secrecy (at least in part) we won't have it. I was already pretty sure I would pick up clone wars, but damn, imagine what they could have done with motion plus! What a waste.

subnet6

All Nintendo had to do was have third parties sign NDA's. Their only hurting themselves in the end. With less software with Wii plus support, what consumer is going to buy the peripheral.

When the developers get behind Nintendo with something besides HALF ASSED SHOVELWARE, Then maybe you guys will have something to bitch about, but until then... SHUT THE HELL UP.

Enigma_20XX

Umm... Clone Wars Wii comes out November 1st. Wii Motion Plus comes out sometime NEXT YEAR! You think they would push the release back 6+ months just to shove in some extra waggle?

And then should they also have to bundle the new accessory and take a profit hit, or force everyone to buy it separate, or raise the price of the game?? They are far better off designing a game around the new capabilities than hacking them in after the fact.

Also... sensationalism? This is old E3 news. And rather than being "totally pissed" all it says is "LucasArts in particular wasn't happy at being kept in the dark". Get a grip, people.

RefugeZero

Yeah, and this is why it's going to fail, Nintendo has killed third party support of it already!

metaslugx

on one hand, i can see why nintendo does things the way it does with keeping things very close to their chest, however at the same time this is why so few 3rd party titles even come out let alone do well on nintendo platforms. honestly in this case with what lucasarts wants to accomplish with a lightsaber game, this was a completely dick move on nintendo's part.

demonknightinuyasha

@metaslugx: Clearly you aren't paying attention. Wii has more third party exclusives in development for it than 360 and PS3 have *combined*. It has 50 more exclusives than 360 has coming, and over 100 more exclusives than PS3 has.

Yeah, Nintendo annoyed people with this, but no more than Sony annoyed them with keeping SixAxis close to their chests or claiming rumble was "last gen" and "couldn't work in tandem with a motion controller", and certainly no more than the later inclusion of Dual Shock 3.

I'm really starting to lose respect for Kotaku. Clearly you guys are more about stirring the shit these days than you are about reporting *actual* news.

jasongw