Music sounds like Laughing Octolady from MGS4.

Sqrfrk

looks like they tried to combine halo 3 with teamfortress 2, the last game i remember that tried to mash game styles,was, oh wait I DONT REMEMBER IT because it sucked so badly

yeah thats right
360 for at least 2 more years

EnragedTemplar

@JP05: They show some of the HUD with the sniper...

walrusbrown

@rinerdar: I beg to differ. DNF will rule the internets!

balls187 upside yo head

@fenderfuel08: how so?

balls187 upside yo head

Hrm...rollercoaster.

My thoughts:

Wow, derivative fps game play.
Wow, a lot of whiz and bang, but looks overly complicated and not like it's gonna be fun.
Okay the turrets are cool.
Was about to say lame, till I saw the sniper. Bad ass.
Air support? Wonder which FPS that came from...
Okay, it takes more than one shot from that flying ship thing to kill the sniper? WTF.
Oh wait, this is a FPS on the console, and not the PC. That sucks.

balls187 upside yo head

This game looks to truly be a Halo killer. Looks amazing.

fenderfuel08

Invisible snipers?

Fuck that.

vashstyle

In summary:

Resistance meets Team Fortess 2 meets Multiplayer Dialogue from another dimension.

But there was one key flaw with the trailer...

NO TEABAGGING!

CarbonFalcon

@JP05: I think they said they were eliminating the HUD to make it more immersive.

threeve

That looks RAW!!! I'll probaly get this, then wait for God of War 3 after. Dam Sony is stepping it up, and I like it !!!

believable_liar

BOOM .... HEADSHOT

invictus13

This game looked fun... and now it sounds fun! :D I can't wait for this game.

mfwahwah

@JP05:

Killzone's very conception was to appeal to the halo crowd

As for the Video, I do have issue with them doing absolutely nothing we haven't already seen before. But was there looks really good, I just dont see it or any other multiplayer game in 08 for that matter, taking down Left 4 Dead

rinerdar

@JP05: i wouldnt say they are trying to appeal to the halo crowd but thats honestly how it sounds in most of the online fps games i play. Maybe not as obviously acted but alot of the things they said are thing i hear on the daily.

Detre

Looks great visually, hopefully it doesn't disappoint. Another reason for me to pick up a PS3 other than LittleBigPlanet.

Question though... Wheres the HUD? I have yet to see it in any of the video's I watched... Also I hate the fact that this was all choreographed, it doesn't represent how an actual multiplayer game will play out, not to mention the "multiplayer chatter" was awful to listen to. Seems like they're trying to appeal to the Halo crowd maybe?

JP05

@PapaBear434: its just that with 1/9 (random guess) of PSN users not having a mic thats what team games come too Who can has a better K/D ratio

RawnevetSbboD

@exstrat:

I think it's a necessary downgrade from the singleplayer. There's an obvious visual downgrade between SP and MP, but it's negligible.

The detail isn't as realistic as SP, but it still looks worlds ahead of anythign I've seen on consoles yet.

Indy_aka_Rex

Is that some red and blue I see mixed in with that gray? I kid, but it looks to be shaping up much better than its predecessor. That I can say for certain. Good news for PS3 cadets everywhere.

Rauzaruke

@PapaBear434: yes

RawnevetSbboD

Wow. This looks amazing. That sniping cloak is gonna be dangerous.

bakagaijin

@damatman: "without the classes"

I thought they made the classes and their roles as obvious as possible in the trailer.

FP_slomo788

February can't come soon enough.

CrypticMetaphor

@BlackdogGT: No kidding, not to mention how obvious the acting was.

Veridis_Quo

Wow, that looks/seems to play a whole lot better than I thought it would.

suya123

@damatman: Killzone 2 has classes.

XeroKool

Traditional crosshairs please!!

DBobMane

is it just me or does the game look more cell shaded now?.. I could've sworn they went with the realism look in past trailers, but this one definitely looks more cartoonish.

exstrat

That video would've been 100% cooler without the asshat commentary. Nevertheless, I will be a jealous 360 owner once Killzone drops. It looks stellar.

BlackdogGT

The multiplayer looks great. I like the air support thingy. One of the devs was also saying tanks would be added later maybe as dlc. But this by itself already looks pretty fun.

snakepliskin

Wow. I can't wait.

Amazon_Chris

Wow... I was excited about this game, but DAMN that looks good. I love class based games ever since the original TF mod for the original Quake.

@RawnevetSbboD:

So, what did you WANT it to be, exactly? Mindless deathmatching?

PapaBear434

@damatman: actually, it has classes.

blehh

@LittleBigPlaneteer: Yea, I agree its really annoying when people chat that way on multi-players. You hear the boom, in your face, damnnnnnnnnn, and owwwwwww. Really if it has nothing to do with strategy or tell you any useful information its just clogging the airwaves.

lancaster1

This is the first KZ2-related footage that actually makes me excited for the game. The multi-player looks like terrific fun, and the use of simulated in-game chatter was a surprisingly nice touch.

In fact, for me, I think the very use of chatter = fun for me because it was a sterling example of just how enjoyable MP can be with friends. I guess I've been in too many MP games with tools/douches lately.

jerimas

Voice chat was hilarious. "Bam, raped in the face" XD
The game looks quite good. Looks like TF2, without the classes.

damatman

wow voice sounds good clear and with dumping effect.
i wish it was on PC cause i hate playing shooters with controller but with this looking so good i might have to buy it anyway.

Lets-game

before this was just a im getting it because hes getting it now it is a must have ... I have been changed i see the light

RawnevetSbboD

The audio was kinda fuzzy in the trailer, but I must admit it looks fun.

Mark down game #2 to get for my PS3 when I get it. Hopefully it won't disappoint like Haze.

Thassodar

Hey, I submitted this tip a few hours ago. Glad to see it showed up. Gameplay looks awesome. I can't wait for this game to come out.

XeroKool

@LittleBigPlaneteer:

Yes I realzie this is what multiplayer will be like, and worse. I can't wait ><

LittleBigPlaneteer

The game looks great, the voice chat strategy for the trailer? not so much. The "OHHHHH" whenever someone gets blown up is just annoying.

LittleBigPlaneteer

i think TF is now a thing of the past

RawnevetSbboD

the walking looks unnatural... all elce looks good

RawnevetSbboD

Surprising that it looks this good and is 32 players...

Indy_aka_Rex

this game looks awesome

ZetaCrossfire

Some previews suggest the game controls like a dream, and other says it's too loose. It does look a little floaty. I certainly feel more excited for this than Resistance 2 or any other shooter, but that's only by comparison.

Swift_

Nice graphics but the video was so overly scripted that the action seemed very LAME. The scripted voice overs don't help either.

I'm still in the air as to the game being any good, the previous Killzone sucked.

zzt711

@Infallible: Wow i did not realize offline split screen was a requirement for a game to be considered fully featured. That is news to me. There are clearly alot of people on the board that dont like kz2 for whatever reason but there might be a very high chance youre the only one on this board that thinks a multiplayer trailer for it is audacious.

snakepliskin

@Infallible: @dagreatest:

Just gonna throw this out there, but the offline CoD 4 is like a 2/10 while the online is like an 11/10. Really, CoD 4 didn't need to have offline multiplayer (but it does, so that's awesome in some regard.)

Another thing: Warhawk is completely online, is that made of fail sauce too? No.

Disclaimer (I don't actually have Warhawk, but have friends that do.)

CarbonFalcon

Looks awesome :D

Can't wait, and it looks to have alot of great little features found in other shooters with a nice killzone touch.

ryivanV2

Man, some of you people are such severe loyalist that you can't just

A) Admit the game looked cool, and that it seems to be a good time.

or

B) Stay the hell out of the thread and let us that are actually EXCITED about the game have our time comparing notes.

But no, you nimrods have to come in and spout your idiotic memes and unfounded complaints. Why? To make yourself feel better about not being able to afford more than one system? Because Bungie put subliminal messages in Halo to keep you away from all other comparable games? Is there some sort of commandment out there that says "Thou shalt not worship false idols, for Master Chief is the one true Chief?"

Please, just get over yourselves.

PapaBear434

the unity looks cool, but will never happen...but it does look nice

Alchemy_Comrade

@Infallible: I don't think I'm the only one here that doesn't care much for offline split screen. I mean it was great for golden eye and time splitters, but I personally have not used split screen in years and I never check if a game has that feature, it just feels a little dated to me. In this age of online multiplayer and beautiful High Def televisions, It would seem like a travesty to share that sweet screen real estate with someone else.

Noks415

@Infallible:

"Man, I don't understand why a first person shooter that doesn't even have offline splitscreen has the audacity to come out with a multiplayer trailer."

Man, I don't understand why people who don't have a ps3 have the audacity to hate on something they so obviously want to play.

dagreatest

@Shawk: the single player got really close to target render from a few years back. It doesn't look exactly like that vid, but it is still one of the more graphically impressive console games this generation.

And could you please elaborate on why you think an invisible sniper class is a bad idea. If you're gonna hate on it, I would like to know exactly why?

Noks415

looks neatish

Bernoulli

So was a player piloting that ship... or what?

Also,

Can the family understand the baby... or what?

Shadowed

@EnragedTemplar:

wow...talk about being a blind fanboy.

dagreatest

Man, I don't understand why a first person shooter that doesn't even have offline splitscreen has the audacity to come out with a multiplayer trailer. What a joke. Sure the game looks great.....as a rental. But I'm not paying 60 plus tax for anything less than a completely featured title.

Infallible

@vashstyle: @Shawk:

You know, there were invisible snipers in Metroid Prime Hunters and it wasn't completely broken. But yes, it was pretty broken. However, ever more broken was the character that could freeze you solid then headshot you. So all is not lost, yet...

CarbonFalcon

@Shawk: ah, it could be cool, but they gotta balance that shit. Like the obvious: your cloak is disabled as you fire.

balls187 upside yo head

@walrusbrown: Hmm, maybe. I didn't catch that at first, could it be part of the scope though? None of the other classes showed a HUD.

JP05

Looks nothing like that video we saw 6 years ago of it lol,

And invisible snipers? I don't care how good your graphics are if your game play ideas blow ass.

Shawk

*Helghast appears*

OH SNAP! Even I recognized prior gameplay footage with "new" voice-overs. But you have to admit, hearing people talk about taking that dome shot made it a lot more satisfying to watch. I can't wait for the beta.

-oG-ShAdY

@Orionsaint: So a trailer being scripted... is not realistic... because it has actors... therefore production values make it the best game ever?

All right! High Fives all around!

Anyway, this trailer is very reminiscent of the MGO trailer to me. The whole camera angles and showing off of very similar features that are possible for high-strategy play.

Laughin_Caulk

What's with all the nitpicking? Grow the f up people.

HenryHSH

@PapaBear434:

So you're Canadian? [kotaku.com]

Okay, I wasn't sure about Warhawk, but what about the new SOCOM?

Also, I'll just point out that most games that have LAN setups or Splitscreen nowadays often have an online component that outclasses the online features.

I think that the only shooter (that comes to mind at the moment) that excels as an offline game and an online game is Halo.

CarbonFalcon

@zzt711: Like Wolfers stated. Are you actually surprised that (Now, please read this next part out loud and very very slowly to yourself.) a trailer for a video game is scripted?

Noks415

The audio is done by actors and obviously tagged on to the video. You can tell for various reasons. 1. The acting is bad. 2. They keep stating the obvious. 3. It seems rehearsed. 4. Every statement is delivered perfectly. They take turns speaking. You guys know what playing a multiplayer game is like, the audio is often crazy, with players speaking over each other. This clip seems so prefabricated.

Orionsaint

@EnragedTemplar:

(>;_;)>

Hug?

____

@zzt711: A trailer is scripted? Stop the presses!

Wolfers

Wow looks fantastic! Can't wait!

Patient

I never played the original but loved the PSP version and the KZ universe. I have every intention of getting KZ2 when it hits. Invisible snipers? sweet.

chip5541

@Noks415: Haha, I just played 4 player TimeSplitters Future Perfect the other night. I can hardly believe I used to play 4 player split screen on a 20" TV on a regular basis.

Wolfers

@CarbonFalcon:

Just as reference, Warhawk IS an online game, but it has the option to set up LANs and also to play on one server with two players on one machine, split screen.

I've only used it a handful of times, however. As someone else said, the whole thing feels dated to me anymore. I never liked it that much with Golden Eye, but made due to it being the ONLY OPTION OUT THERE at the time. There were just too many flaws. A shrunken field of view, being able to look at your opponents screen to know where they are, being able to be punched when you rammed a rocket up your friend's ass.

Ok, that last part was fun. I still see the appeal for some to have split screen, but really there is no need for most of us out there. I myself am 27 years old, going to school, working a job, and taking care of two kids. I don't have a whole lot of time to get together with a group of guys (all in similar places in life as me) to play split screen anymore. Rather, we get some free time at night after the wives and kids go to bed and blow each other up in the comfort of our own homes and in the comfort of our own underwear.

PapaBear434

If they did a trailer like that for a 360 game they would have to simulate people calling other players gay, and fags, the whole time.

Foglight55

People still care about this game? Wasn't it "to be released in the near future" at like E3 '05? They need to stop fucking around and just get this damn game onto the market so that everyone can finally say that it didn't live up to the hype before something else takes it's place.

blind_assassin

Admittedly, I'm a grafx whore...

But I couldn't stop oogling at how awesome this looked, after I have repeatedly reasoned my self out of getting this game.

Damn it all, I need to find myself a better job ...

SymbolicMeaning

Did any of the Sniper haters stop the think that MAYBE, just maybe, that type of sniper is limited? You know? Maybe a, 10 straight kill type of thing? I think special classes for kill streaks would be an awesome counter to CoD4's system...

Jinjokage

damn you sony
i'm going to broke by the time this comes out

salthegeek

@Orionsaint:

Lmao You can't find anything wrong the game so you complain about how the voice-over is rehearsed? just pathetic...

It just amazes me how much hate this game has gotten over the past couple of years. Ever since the CG trailer people have been just waiting for this game to fail. I feel so sorry for the developers. They must have so much pressure on them so make sure this game lives up to the hype...or at least proves the haters wrong.

dagreatest

Besides those voices, it's looking to give Resistance 2 some real competition, unlike the original, which fell a bit short. I still love the simple design of those helghast.

Wahrheit

That looks pretty damn cool. Not sure about the voice over, but the gameplay looks incredibly hectic and fun.

TheCleaningGuy

WOW! it looks awesome!

I'll be getting this bad boy!

GOD

@Black-Dog-Howls: wasn't universal/open mic* <.<

Black-Dog-Howls

@Orionsaint: I don't know if Socom still does this, but Socom 1 and 2 the mic was universal chat. One person spoke, others listened, etc. etc. Oddly enough it made for great teamwork seeing as everyone could hear what was being said.

@Laughin_Caulk: Hopefully it won't fall prey to the beta v. final release syndrome. MGO beta, with a good team, had insanely awesome team work. Now it's just...bleh no matter what unless you're with a great clan.

Black-Dog-Howls

Being an advertising student i think instead of making people listen to some "actors" in some prescripted trailer of what is possible on the game, they should have had real live 13 year olds calling each other "totally fucking gay n*ggers" while they ran around teabagging and teamkilling each other for lulz. Am i right? God you suck at marketing sony. You guys think ill do good in advertising?

snakepliskin

Laptop guns :D

@Legaldeath187: You linked to a video of an uncloaked sniper shooting a cloaked soldier. Anyone can pick up cloaking in Halo, and it only lasts for a short time. Poor example.

I believe Battlefield 2142 allowed snipers to cloak themselves, but it was also only for a limited time. It looks like it's also for a short time in Killzone 2, and it looks like you're visible while reloading/cocking your gun. Shouldn't be that big of a deal.

I see they're putting elements of Call of Duty 4 in though, allowing you to call on some unmanned vehicle to help you kill everyone. Game should be exciting.

Mit

A dedicated grenade spam-o-matic, booby traps, and invisible snipers, especially invisible snipers, make me more then a little nervous, though I still look forward to it's release, damn invisible fucking snipers otherwise.

@LittleBigPlaneteer:

"Plus some of the voices would have to be high pitched 9 year olds"

Don't remind us you bastard! Ohhh ho ho, I hate them, I hate them so bad. Their haunting pre-pubescent voices and being better then me at FPS games :(

Bando

Nope. The Darkness did a trailer with Multiplayer chatter first...

[www.gametrailers.com]

Vabor

Christ, this is making the wait even more unbearable!!! I think the sniper cloak idea is pretty cool but it does seem a little cheap just because the model could blend in pretty well with the surroundings. Although I wouldn't mind using it :).

Split-screen would be cool, but honestly, how often would you really use it? If I play a multiplayer game with friends, and that's not often at all (because of work, etc.), we just play from where we live over the net. It's just easier that way. Who knows, that might just be me.

HoxtonHero

I really can't believe people think a game with snipers that can go invisible is such a ridiculous idea......Um did we forget a certain really popular game has this in it?

+ Watch video

Legaldeath187

@Foglight55: and N*gger. You can't get away from that word on LIVE

kingdong6

@Foglight55: Don't worry, that "feature" will still be included...

The game is actually shaping up way better than I was expecting. I wasn't really pulled in by the other vids, but now I really want to try this out.

Static-X

hahaha that was fun, its lookinng really really good

mpar

@blind_assassin:

Obvious troll is obvious.

...

Did I do it right?

____

@Foglight55:

Plus some of the voices would have to be high pitched 9 year olds

LittleBigPlaneteer

@PapaBear434: Haha, PREACH IT BROTHER!

No seriously, I am still horribly interested in this game. Any doubters out there can just spout their theories, but from what I've heard, this game is going to be as phenomenal as it looks. I, for one, am psyched through the roof, and this multiplayer footy only embellishes my hopes for the title.

Just for a short segment, I have to agree with PapaBear434 as that I am as well sick of people talking crap about this game, and giving it comparisons to Halo and whatnot. The most they have in common is space and shooting. This, plus the fact that yes, while the first Killzone wasn't the great big title that Sony had pimped it to be, it was also not as focused as this one. This game has been in development for so long that they really can't screw it up, and if they do, it will be marginal (review score averages of 8/10) and not of the same botch area as Haze. Haze, while it was pushed like it was a good game, if anyone bothered to pay attention that whole time, all the media surrounding it spraypainted it's imminent mediocrity by ways of showing it's outdated design and bland styles. Not that the graphics per se were bad, but the gameplay looked too simplistic and repetitive, and the whole nectar thing was IMO a red herring to make you think it was being innovative.

Going back on to how I think that affects Killzone 2? It doesn't if you ask me. This game has tons more promise in it's fingers than Haze had in it's whole metaphorical body. It may borrow some attributes from other good games, such as Call of Duty 4 (see: aiming down the sights as previewed in single player) and stuff, but it will stand out on it's own on merits of individuality. Things like the multiplayer format will show this. Give it time, and give it a chance.

CitizenInsane27

this was all on gamespot.com before if you actually been to that site

they showed it during a interview with gurilla employees

MaloMan

Beta Please?

TheHallowHero

@kingdong6: Ain't that the truth... but you gotta admit, when you're playing Halo 3 or Call Of Duty 4 it can get kind of irritating listening to all the nagging going on. "Nag nag nag", that's all I ever hear. I can't stand naggers...

jtyson

@kingdong6: That's the unfortunate truth.

bbsin

@Bando:
invisible snipers w/discount invisibility Cloaks
mines and grenades are tones-of-fun

@LittleBigPlaneteer:

god i hope non of them will have their parents in the same room
or a very jealous dog ....

salthegeek

This game looks like it's shaping up to be reeeaal good. I wanna play it already!

OddOne

@jtyson:

I know! It's like one's mom or something isn't it?

Wait. No it isn't.

No one is asking me if I cleaned up my room during team deathmatch.

(And yes, there are some interesting nag sessions that do go on, but for most of it, I usually just keep my mic muted unless I need to say something and turn the volume on the headphone down to low.)

CarbonFalcon

Although I cant wait to buy this when it comes out... it is kind of sad that this was announced before Gears of War and that game is going to release a sequel before thsi even comes out.

Madness

I saw a video for Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow's multiplayer that had simulated in game chatter in it. Made it look so cool, then you end up playing with some heavy breathing annoying dude.

Mr Brolly

No the game looks amazing. I just don't like my intelligence to be insulted. I hate when a game company tries to trick you into believing something that's not real. It's there way of saying, see how easy it is to fool these gamers. Look how smart we are with this ad. They'll think this is real. Why couldn't Sony just show a real online match, not this fakery.

Orionsaint

Not to be a douche or anything, but how can anyone avoid comparisons to Halo? Not like they're going to be the same game, but KZ2 is a reply to Halo's success, no doubt.

Also; if you go to GT you'll notice the insane fervour many have in defending this game. Crazy world we live in, huh? Makes me worried about speaking my mind on that site, someone might stab me in a dark alley some time. But I guess that goes for many things, it's just particularly bad in this case it seems.

Other than that I guess I'm personally not very interested in this, but it's good to see that the PS3 is getting it's showcase shooter.

Melonfodder

@Orionsaint: Dude give me a break. Everyone knows this is a fake match, and I doubt Sony thought they would fool everyone into thinking this was a real match. It's just an example of what it will be like. And it's still real gameplay so who cares if it's scripted. Just like everyone else said, you're just trying too hard to find things wrong with this game.

kadaj24

So before everyone starts insulting me again. I'm not a fanboy. I have nothing against the game. In fact I think It looks stunning. What I have a problem with is the smartass marketing department. Maybe I'm showing my age, but I still see way too many game ads talking down to us, like we're the type of people who buy games based on the cover and pictures. Hey most of us have been gaming over 20 years now. Give us more credit.

Orionsaint

WoW. The graphics of the MP is almost 1 for 1 with the impressive Sp graphics. Killing my frinds with those crazily relistic exlosions will be so much fun

mal_tez92

Why is the Helgast's entire planet a giant shanty town? I mean yeah, they're a race preoccupied with war but we've had those on Earth to and they never let their cities go, like that.

Mr.Bates

Where the feck is my new single player trailer?!?!?!

rich8606

@Orionsaint: Uh, maybe you're not as smart as you think you are. It seems pretty obvious to everybody else that this was faked; obviously not every single match will have the amount of booby traps, laptop guns, snipers, and air support shown in the trailer. Nor will it flow as smoothly, with constant action keeping you interested.

It's like complaining those "Meet the ____" trailers from TF2 aren't in the game.

Datheron

@dv8godd: great points. I played the first Halo and liked it...then I made the unfortunate mistake of playing Quake 3:Team Arena on PC and that ended my Halo love affair. I tried Halo 2 on the suggestion of a friend and loved the way it looked on Xbox. Truly a show piece for MS hardware but again...I got slapped in the face with UT2k4 goodness and realized the error of my thinking.

The point, as I was about to fall into the trap of "rampant Halo fanboydom" I was constantly and harshly reminded that Halo is a great "console" FPS. But that means nothing compared to PC FPS games. All comparisons to Halo stopped for me after those reminders. Kinda like saying...that kid over there is the best swimmer I've ever seen...in the kiddie pool. But when you go into real waters, said kid is barely given a thought.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: "Personally, I for one am glad KZ2 isn't coming out this year. Between Socom and R2 I sure as hell don't need another shooter."

Agreed.

Plus... more companies are coming to realize that gamers tend to game all year, not just around the holidays. Capitalizing on other 9 months is something MicroSoft has done well , particularly at the beginning of, this generation. Staggering AAA releases throughout the year is actually an example of "getting things right"... it's not a bad thing as it has occasionally been painted.

dv8godd

@Mr.Bates: I don't think it is. Is seems like Guerilla is only showing the first stage or the second. Similar to how Epic didn't show much of the original Gears beyond the first stage until after it debuted at retail.
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I like the look of it. The sentry guns remind me of Aliens (i'd love a console, m/kb controlled port of Alien vs Predator for the PS3) and I'm digging the snipers and classes. Good stuff. Definitely a day one purchase for me.

Personally, I for one am glad KZ2 isn't coming out this year. Between Socom and R2 I sure as hell don't need another shooter. Good thing MGO came out when it did. Although I'm still not sure how we're supposed to find time to play all of these games. I want to get back into Warhawk and UT3 but there's too many other games to play and too many games coming out in the fall. Anyone want to rob a bank so we can quit our jobs and play games all day?

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@Melonfodder: Oh, and just to be clear... I wasn't slamming you at all... just speaking to the point about answering to Halo's success and going from there.

It just always strikes me as odd that such comparisons always seem to come back to one title as though it were divinely inspired and not a product built on past experience itself.

dv8godd

@Melonfodder: On a side note: why do people believe Halo needs to be answered to?

Following trends and making games in genres that sell is just the way development plays out. Halo itself followed on a trend. Every new title is just a another drop in an unending stream of influences and reactions.

I enjoyed Halo too... but the constant and rampant comparisons to it often point more to a people's lack of experience outside of it than any kind of strong foundation in gaming lore and progressive development. It's a great title, sure... but it's hardly the alpha and omega from which all good ideas sprang and went to be cast in bronze as the pinnacle of achievement.

I'd say that making console FPS titles is mostly looking at the sales numbers of Halo and saying "we should do more like that as this is where the fans are heading".

And there's certainly an amount of "let's take a look at how the control scheme stacks up in competing titles to see what works and what doesn't" analysis of games like Halo that do get it right.

I think fans WANT a game to answer to titles like Halo... so they have more fanboy baiting material. Certainly some marketing teams capitalize on that desire. But "I can do it better" just seems like a childish way to approach investing $20+ million in a game development... and putting another title on a pedestal against your own is pretty much always a recipe for disaster.

dv8godd

This looks good, the key will be in balancing though. Invisible snipers? Hopefully it will all come together and work, but Sony's marketing of this will prob. ensure it will sell to 3/4 of PS3 owners.

TradePro

OMG!!!!!!!!
This looks like the most awesome shooter since the days of Golden Eye and Perfect Dark... bah, since EVER!

I guess they pushed back the release bc Resistance 2 will not sell anymore when KZ2 is out. I'm going to avoid buying R2 somehow...

Superuser

Wow the sniper looks like he'll cause a lot of problems with the cloaking thing.

The zapper they use to bring someone back up is nifty as well.

I hope I get a PS3 in time to play this. I loved Killzone for the PSP...

excaliburps

@LittleBigPlaneteer: Hasn't it always been how multiplayer has been like? Especially in open mic games. This is why I'm for push-to-talk! In COD4, I always hear people "Oh yeah, I own hard" or "Aw man..." everytime they die.

tironabardheblu

BAM HEADSHOT!

BAM RIGHT IN THE HEAD BAM!

:D Oh how I love this trailer!

tironabardheblu

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: Same here. I'd started FPS gaming on Doom, Castle Wolfenstein, and Marathon... and moved on to multi-player with the Quake and Unreal franchises. Halo was certainly a great game, but it didn't exactly stand alone or kill reality around it.

I think I look at comparisons from two sides: financial and creative.

From the financial side, one could argue that most games/genres are produced in answer to the success that other games achieve. Halo was an attempt to capitalize on the genre in a new space itself. It's hard for me to put any title in the leading role, sales numbers aside, and say it's the definitive influence when you can always trace history behind it.

From the creative side, there really isn't much that Halo does that hasn't been done better. Even if we single in on just the first installment... Story (I preferred Marathon and Deus Ex), narrative approach (Half-Life), graphics (Return to Castle Wolfenstein was released just after), multiplayer (Unreal Tournament and Quake III... or if you prefer Counter Strike or Team Fortress, etc).

I think what Halo as a franchise does best is it looks at all the elements of the genre and says "on a scale of 1-10, we're going to hit an '8 or 9' on all of them" rather than what most titles deliver which is a mix of 2's and 10's.

By that creative token, I still have no idea if Killzone is comparable to Halo. There looks to be a few things about Killzone 2 that beat individual aspects of Halo 3, but as an aggregate comparison, I couldn't really guess at this point.

Not that I really care to compare anyway: I play games for entertainment, not to build spreadsheets and analyze metacritic scores.

dv8godd

@RawnevetSbboD: go away troll. its just a trailer.

World_B_Enslaved

pre rendered voice acted tom foolery.

sh0tgunn0strils

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: Yeah you're point is the truth. PC FPS will always be above console FPS, though I dont play PC FPS.
Halo is great because as far as console FPS go, Halo: Combat Evolved is still the way to go.

Refused

This game looks really impressive here. Invisible Snipers seems kind of stupid though.

Refused

Pretty cool trailer. All the players talking made it funny as hell.

SolidEyeSystem

It looks like they didn't try to be subtle when they decided to copy COD 4... And why does everyone take huge steps in the game? Very unnatural. The actual gunplay looks pretty good, but also very similar to standard FPS fare. the graphics look to hold up nicely in multiplayer, except for the lighting. theres no dynamic lighting in there whatsoever and the explosions and gunshots dont create shadows on the ground or characters.

Pbombas

Sigh... If only people in other shooters used teamwork like they did...

Anyway, yeah it does look pretty good but I would only pick it up if it had a very solid single player. Here's hoping.

SylvyLombax

was kinda unsure about this game but after seeing this i am defintley buying it that looked like alot of fun

ddollar

People who say this game copied COD4 because of sprint i'd like for you to meet a game called HALF LIFE

CaptainFreakingAmazing

looks just as bad as the first one

TheblazinNinja

Looks good, especially for consoles. However everything I've seen here has already been done elsewhere.

Team Fortress 2 a thing of past? Hardly. TF2 will be played for years long after this game is dead.

I will certainly be picking this up when it comes out though.

FrigidAir44

Killzone only needed one thing changed and that was the orange sniper scope.

that apparently has been done oh and they added Clocking

HELL YES>

Go Team Venture

@TheblazinNinja: Go back under your bridge.

dv8godd

@dv8godd:

I took no offence at all; the opposite! What you said chimes with what I feel about it as well. I'm kind of taking gripes with the way the FPS market is evolving; perhaps Halo isn't to blame really, but it's certainly not helping in a market that's becoming more homogeneous for every passing year.

But the core of it all lies within your last paragraph; companies capitalize, or build onto the idea that if "we just do it like they did with 'x' we'll have a seller". I get the feeling that Sony and Guerilla are going by that philosophy, oh just a tad too much, which is probably why I have a hard time with how directly people confront each other with KZ2 vs Halo.

But I would love to see a cross-over game, where the KZ2 and Halo universe collide and fight on grand scales. It'd profoundly make me believe in the good of humanity.

Melonfodder

This looks sweet. Sure the radio chatter is a bit annoying, but it sells the trailer. I wonder if they took all that footage and dialogue from a closed beta.

mGS_FOXDIE

this was on my ps3 wishlist already. i just hope the story's good.

islandknight

Whoever said that I don't have a ps3 is a complete dumbass.

Infallible

@kadaj24:
"you're just trying too hard to find things wrong with this game."

No not the game, with the marketers. I hate the advertising people!

Orionsaint

@Melonfodder: "I took no offence at all; the opposite!"

Cool! I was just being, you know "overly cautious"... this being the internet and all. :D

It's true that I haven't seen much in the way of innovation in KZ2 other than graphical fidelity. Some of the mechanics may be interesting, but I think most or all of them been done before on some level.

I'd be happy if it was trying to copy Halo on a "lets be really competent at everything and masters of none" level as I think that's where Halo shines the most. By being really good, but not great, at everything, Halo stands above because it at least lacks any major flaws.

I'm not expecting it to break new ground... but it could get the "polish level" right, which would be in itself akin to the accomplishments of Bungie. I mean, a great game isn't necessarily one that does a lot of new things: but one that does what it sets out to really well.

dv8godd

@RawnevetSbboD:
You mean Team Fortress right?..and if you are...you don't know what the hell you are talking about, TF2 is the most finely balanced MP FPS ever conceived and the most fun, what does a generic console shooter with boring DM style game play have to offer?

Crutchley29

Wowsers. Even though the graphics aren't as impressive as the single player campaign, KZ2 multiplayer looks promising. Start the countdown! XD

Real Serious Assassin

TF2 + Gears? Looks nice but, gameplay doesnt look all that interesting yet. They need to amp the weapons some more, it looks like they are shooting pop guns.

X2X

Yes dv8godd, like Uncharted and most decent games come to think of it.

Obli

holy crap...this is amazing!

lavron415