@zsavior: Does that make you shaken, or stirred?

Suda51

I am sorry I am just going to say it. I hate the new James bond he is just Matt Damon's Jason Bourne and Kiefer Sutherland's Jack Bauer British and with out intellect. I mean there is no more wit no more charm, he is just violent and brutish. I got nothing against brute force, hell I love brute force, but as Bonds go the movies are boring.

As for the games, my friend played the Bourne game and liked it, I don't know. But something about his remark about the movies just irked me.

zsavior

"a lot of people maybe thought they were maybe better than the Bond movies until Casino Royale"

A lot of people think they're better than the Bond movies after Casino Royale too.

hahnchen

Errm.. am i the only one that thinks that companies that makes games should have their finger not only on the pulse, but their hands right on the heart of all gaming?

Does it matter what 'space' a game is in? They should be getting full games played by all team members to look for inspiration for good ideas, especially if they're better ideas than their own, to 'improve on'.

That's one reason Cliff B. comforts me - he plays games and makes it known he's influenced by good ones.

edhe (xbl)

@MSUSteve: lol I know. Matt Damon fought to make the Bourne game into a slow paced adventure game, point and click style.

It's for the best that he had nothing to do whatsoever with the game. It sucked in the end anyway (my opinion!) but atleast they went in the right direction looking at the original property.

karasu is my homeboy

@karasu is my homeboy: If the games have no relation to the movie whatsoever they can be developed starting when the game is announced and get a good 4/5 year development cycle. Then again...doesn't it work that way already?

Suda51

Though I'm a bit sorry to admit it he's right. I was going to pick up the Bourne game, I didn't think it was anything special, but I figured it would be a fun romp as I kind of enjoyed the quick camera fighting. Anyhow, without Damon, I was just not as interested. Now this comes from someone who read the books, so I actually had my own personal vision of Bourne. But once Damon played the character I kinda felt he should have been in the game. Anyhow, if I see it in the bargin bin at some point I may pick it up.

-EDGE-

@Hauler: There bringing Call of Duty BACK into World War 2! Yeah, thats how awesome they are, we finally get out, and there the ones who bring us back in. Only unlike drugs we are not going into withdrawal and seriously just want it to gtfo.

Suda51

@Suda51: This already happens. Plenty of movie games take place "after the events of the movie" or before the events of the movie. Hell, plenty take place during the events of the movie but throw a bunch of random crap inside.

It still doesn't change the fact that the game has to be ready when the movie is. That's why most movie games suck.

karasu is my homeboy

Man, now I feel like watching Casino Royale like 5 more times in anticipation for QoS. Hopefully they won't muck this one up (both game and movie).

c0rnpwn

What has Treyarch ever done to allow them to shit all over everyone else's games? They're a mediocre developer whose only claim to fame is producing hack versions of existing franchises, Call of Duty, and riding the Spider-Man name into the ground.

I hope with all the talk they've been doing lately that the Quantum of Solace game doesn't completely suck. Actually that's a lie. I hope it's terrible and I hope it bombs just so they'll actually shut their mouths.

I'm not sticking up for the Bourne game because it was pretty lackluster, but Treyarch haven't produced anything that allows them to go around trashing other company's games.

Hauler

Yikes! I really hope they're not setting the bar against Turok.

A little advice for Mr. Garrett Young - if there are some new people you are going to be working with in the near future and you haven't even met them yet, don't publicly knock their work. Kinda makes a bad first impression.

vernichter

Seeing as the new Bond movie has gravitated more towards the Bourne style, the developers should shut up and take note. While the Bourne game isn't good per say, it accomplishes the fast-action hand to hand combat rather nicely.

DigiMish

Matt Damon: Look, I don't want to be in your stupid Bourne video game. What would you want me to do in it? Do you expect me to talk?

Sierra: No, Mr Damon. We expect you to DIE.

thewisestfool

@MSUSteve: The bourne game was far from good, the gameplay was stale after 2 levels, and the game's controls made the game unnecessarily hard at parts. The score it got should've been 2 points lower. Hell Matt Damon wanted it to be more problem solving than a pure shooter, which probably would have worked out better.

Frey

@DukeOfPwn: Agreed. Except that they didn't really say BiA was crap. Some haughty Activision exec, claiming he was part of Treyarch, said that.

Polterg3ist

Oh Treyarch your comments make me laugh. Too bad your games make me cry.

Ett

@Dappa: Side missions anyone? Tell another story with the game, and let somebody who knows how to make games work on the story, the gameplay, etc. And I mean somebody who knows how to make games, not just some people who know how to program, and do art and crap.

"Infinity Ward presents, The Bourne Supremacy"

You know it would pwn.

Suda51

I didn't mind the absence of Matt Damon, but it was a little annoying how generic and inconsistent he looked. The character looked like a different person in gameplay than he did in the pre-rendered videos. It reminded me of just about every JRPG.

yeah write

Treyarch needs to stop insulting other development studios. Saying stuff like Brothers in Arms is crap and the Bourne Conspiracy is crap when your last few games weren't so great themselves just digs you a deeper hole...

DukeOfPwn

This Bond game feels very much like the bourne game too With the CqC and changing perspectives (from cover to cqc i.e)

Reetesh

You've gotta be kidding me with this "you need fucking Matt Damon" bullshit. That has nothing to do with making a good game. I swear to God, what is it with the editors that post these stories? Does everything have to be so damned contentious?

As for the Quantum of Solace guys not being impressed with the Bourne game, I guess they need to put up or shut up. The Bourne game was good and if their only criticism is that it does have "fucking Matt Damon" then they should lean toward shutting up.

MSUSteve

It's not about the lead of the character. The game just suck, I mean if it was fun I couldn't care less about it. They have no control over if the lead character wants to be in a game or not. If Daniel Craig had said no to the game would they not make the bond game....I don't think so. So it's not about character...just about games. When are people going to realize that!!!

karateka

If only he had finished the quote with "how do ya like them apples?"

Weirdwolf

@Suda51: I agree. What is the point on doing exactly what you have seen in a film? You know the intended outcome and the process in which to get there.

I think film games should try and beef out the film or fill in their gaps with other missions and stuff you didn't see in the film. Bourne did a bit of both.

Dappa

Ill buy Quantum Of Solace just to see if they have a nutcracker minigame.

mugenkits

you needed the voice in Bourne it sounded and felt well weird, especially as they use the same film dialogue.

Craig would smash the crap out of Damon anyways. Yeah you go Bond

Dappa

I think from now on when your given a movie game you should just make it however the hell you want to. The only ties to the movie would be the title, and it would be developed like a normal game. Your probably thinking "But that stupid then why name it after the movie!" Well I see it as if we do the latter the game is almost a guaranteed suck, but if we do the former its a so so thing.

Suda51

@jayntampa:

I guess in this case, most people connect the Bourne series to Matt Damon, so to have have him missing in something that he's expected to be him can effect how people view the game.

LSSJ

Wha!? Both movie series are based on books ... I don't think having the actual actor from the movie makes an iota of difference as to whether the game is good or not -- or whether a gamer can be drawn into it.

jayntampa

I'm fucking matt damon!

(not really)

tooji

i think he's right, would any bond game work without bond but a generic character that does nothing but detract from the game.

bubassi

It's funny, I never buy movie based games. When I read a magazine that had details on the Quantum Of Solace game, I had no interest until I read it also has Casino Royale as well. I am personally excited for this game.

LSSJ

@Ashurahori:

And if you have read the books he has always had a sadistic streak a mile wide. Bond is not a nice person and has always had the brutish abilities that he would need to survive, the movies havenever accurately portrayed the Bond in the books. I hated the movies and was glad to see the "new" Bond was actually just the "old" Bond.

Weirdwolf

@edhe (xbl):

"Errm.. am i the only one that thinks that companies that makes games should have their finger not only on the pulse, but their hands right on the heart of all gaming?"

Can I add to that list, and their sphincters firmly glued shut, so we don't have to listen to anymore P.R. rubbish?

Weirdwolf

*sigh* who else misses Goldeneye?

excel_excel

@Suda51:

Except that Bond games have been great and entirely based on the movies.

I mean, you can ignore the whole "Goldeneye" game if you want, but most of the gaming world won't...

Mact

@Ashurahori: But what can you judge a movie's quality by but the entertainment it has brought you? If its by something such as production value's, old Star Wars sucked, new Star Wars pwn!

Suda51

@zsavior: Plus don't forget this is the origin of James. He had to be more rookie.

Ashurahori

@zsavior: Considering that Bond movies have never been this good for a long time and have been characterized as run-of-the-mill action movies until Casino Royale came along, I'd say you're entitled to your opinion but it doesn't reflect the actual quality of the movies.

Ashurahori

@Mact: I know theres some game with a damn bond dude with a damn jet pack and some buildings. The bad part is I'm talking about something else with Sean Conery..lol...

You win, I lose, I'm sleepy and don't even know what I'm talking about. I had fun with Nightfire, I had it on the GC and played with my brother VS tons of bots. This internet goer admits defeat and is going to sleep soon and be back in full commission, sorry for the inconvenience.

Suda51

Games based on movies are pathetic, advertising-spawned aesthetic crimes. They all suck. Even the ones that don't. I would be ashamed to have a "movie-game" on my shelf. Don't buy them, and they'll go away and be replaced by real games by real developers. Not hack ad BS by hack devs.

burko

@Frey: That's your opinion and you're welcome to it. I liked the game and didn't think it suffered from a lack of Matt Damon's face in any way.

MSUSteve

@Suda51:

That's because Rogue Agent was a game set in the Bond universe, not a Bond game.

I loved Nightfire. So did plenty of others.

But I am curious how you have an opinion of the Casino Royal game, seeing as it doesn't exist.

Mact

"What lessons have you taken from EA bond games?
We've taken a fair number. But the biggest one I would say is don't try and do too much. It might sound a bit weird but don't try to do everything. A lot of people will tell you Bond is everything, right? Especially the old ones. Not so much Daniel Craig but he's got these gadgets and he's got this and he uses that and he flies and he's by land, by sea, by air... and if you try to do all of that in your game, you end up either taking four years to build your game or you end up doing none of it very good.

It's like the saying, jack of all trades, master of none. "

Good start for an interview. I'm a huge Goldeneye fan, and IMO, the thing the game did right was NOT having any gimmicks. The game was FPS action in its purest form, which doesn't mean lack of detail, but rather the opposite. The game focused on adding hundreds of good ideas around a very solid FPS groundwork. So it felt very deep without any mini-games, quick-time events such as counting how often Boris pressed his ball pen.

lumpi

@Mact: 90% isn't 100%. I don't like most bond games....Golden Eye Rouge agent? You can ignore that but most of the rest of the world wont. Casino Royal was bad to. Night Fire?

Suda51

@excel_excel: I don't, not anymore...I mean, it was lightning in a bottle, and we all need to get over it, myself included :)

Spoony Bard

Myatttt Dyammonnnnnnn

beckerist

@Spoony Bard: We wouldn't have to get over it if Nintendo and Microsoft didn't argue so much :(

Suda51

You need fucking Matt Damon, eh?

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Matt Damon was pretty lame though for backing on the Bourne game, pretty hypocritical too IMO

Absent Blue

@Absent Blue: It's his god damn business what he wants and don't want to do.

karateka

I think the Bourne game was bad for reasons other than the fact that it didn't have Damon's likeness.

The majority of the movies involved Bourne being creative and using his surroundings to his advantage to get out of any sticky situations. He rarely used a gun... and when he did use a gun it generally wasn't even to shoot people, but in the game Bourne has guns on him almost the entire time and thus it felt almost nothing like the films and more like a crappy version of Gears of War.

BigKidIcarus

@Spoony Bard: I try....everyday...ITS A CONSTANT STRUGGLE

excel_excel

If game devs would quit trying to make movies on a gaming platform they wouldn't have these problems.

TreyArch, lets make a deal. You make Die by the Sword 2, and we'll forget you ever said anything.

liquidnumb

@mugenkits: Yeah I remember that scene! "To the left to the left" That left me in stitches when I was watching it!

@zsavior: I admit I liked Casino Royale compared to Brosnan's films. It was more gritty and they concentrated on how he did things and implied that he does anything to get his goal. I know I certainly liked it better than Die Another Day. Oh but I do agree that Daniel Craig doesn't look like Bond. He's gruffy looking,lacks the charisma but he is funny though.

@Ashurahori: Yep! Agreed! =D

I played the Bourne game. Found the combat a bit repetitive. Though there were some cool things going on there. The shooting elements weren't that great either. I'll see if I can give it another go this weekend.

excaliburps

wait

i can't believe i haven't asked this question yet

-- maybe someone else has --

why didn't activision just get infinity ward to make the bond games?

i mean . . . yeah?

108

@108:

So infinity ward can make the next call of duty game maybe?

lilsamuraijoe

My name... is Yason Bourne.

juliopalio

@Absent Blue: Seems like I've seen that somewhere before.

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Spartan1308™

"The Bourne movies I think are really good. I think a lot of people maybe thought they were maybe better than the Bond movies until Casino Royale."

As someone who really liked Casino Royale, I just want to say that I know the Bourne movies were definitely better than the Bond movies including Casino Royale.

"It's always tough though when you make a game and you don't have the lead character from the movie."

As if having the rights to the actor's likeness actually makes it a better game. Especially when you blow a big chunk of your budget getting it to look just like him even though your game is an FPS and the player won't even see it for 75% of the game.

This guy needs to shut up.

No cool name here... Move along

I toured High Moon Studios when they were first starting production on the Bourne game, though they couldnt release any information to us since it had not been released to the public that they were making it. Putting a lil two and two together, and seeing a computer monitor with Bourne on it, we figured it out on our own. Anyway, all the write ups I saw on the game before it was released said it was supposed to be kind of a combination of both the books and the movies (the books being way better than the movies, but when are they not); however, the game is also supposed to be a seperate story telling that allows continual building of the world that is Bourne. It would have made no sense to have Matt Damon as the lead, as it is not supposed to be a direct port of the movie. With that said, I did love the books and the movies were pretty entertaining. The game demo, on the otherhand, I could not get into. The constant seamless jumping back and forth between gameplay and rendered scenes killed it for me. I never knew if i was supposed to be playing or just watching. As far as being bad cause Matt Damon was not in it, that is just pure B.S.