@LoopyChew: @Struct09: You guys all say that now because this is a relatively new process. Everyone justified yearly sports games in that same way when they started as well.

Give it 3 or 4 more years of this exact same process, and then let's see what the consensus is. People are going to get tired of this. Quickly.

mva5580

@enewtabie: No doubt.

But given that the Wii versions of RB and GHIII have been selling like gangbusters without any DLC whatsoever, I do wonder if that is actually a concern for the bulk of console owners.

I suspect that a lot of potential buyers won't even know about the DLC until later. Then they may or may not buy a hard drive.

Rectangle

So Europe can expect it in May then?

I'm just jealous I'm afraid.

Dragonzigg

@mva5580: Errr what? Not only is Rock Band 2 more substantial than a "roster update", you're getting 85 songs on the disc plus 20 more as DLC for $60. How is that a rip off?!

Struct09

@mva5580: The difference here would be that new songs have to be charted. I doubt they do any sort of significant stat updates for the players in sports titles (I could be wrong, seeing as I don't buy them).

Not to mention, on-disc is still cheaper per-song than DLC, and the ability to import songs from previous installments is a plus.

LoopyChew

haha, Xbox2 and Nintendo Revolution are listed up there. How precious.

dArk_stAr

No PS2 version? I'm surprised to see that..

CockroachMan

Does the reason for the Microsoft exclusive have something to do with wireless guitars for Xbox?

Sanspants

These dates have been at the official Rock Band store for a while now. EBGames and Amazon have been reporting these dates as well. Sadly though, the full Xbox 360 bundle won't be out until October 19th - so September 14th is the date for the standalone software.

Bring on September 14th!

Struct09

It's a freaking MONTH. Jesus you people are impatient. As if you don't have 10 other games you could be playing in that time. Seriously.

Anyway it's pretty obvious the Rock Band/Guitar Hero games are going the way of sports games. Release one every single year with incredibly marginal improvements, but just pump out a new song list to keep them coming back. Songs for Rock Band/Guitar Hero are just Madden/NCAA/MLB's roster updates. Quite the rip-off.

mva5580

@Rectangle:
Then add the fact that if you are serious about playing games you'll need a HDD,so add a hundred bucks.If not you are good to go.

enewtabie

IGN updated their release dates last night, and all of these are there.

nousemercenary

Thos dates were published a week ago at the ebgames site. Its not really news, but it says that the RB2 disc for xbox is to be released september 14th and the whole box set with the instrument is to be released until october.

ortegar

So then it should release in europe only for the 360 in 2011 and should cost 2000 euro? hooray!

excel_excel

Very interesting given the fact that the XBox price cut is happening on 9/7/08.

An XBox 360 Arcade ($199) is the cheapest and earliest way to get Rock Band 2 if you don't already have a current gen console.

In fact, the Arcade + Rock Band 2 is actually $30 cheaper than the PS3 alone!

Rectangle

Amazon has the PS3 version listed as Oct. 19th as well.

Sanspants

Are these dates for the bundle or the game by itself?

QB8Young

@jonndirrt: I also like the approach to music selection GH brings: More lesser known, but more (In my opinion) musically rich songs. I prefer Nirvana's In Utero more than Nirvana's Nevermind.

And for the record, Activision is EVIL. They are the new EA. And EA is actually putting some effort into making (somewhat) decent games lately. They still need to stop designing by committee, but they are definitley going in a much less evil direction.

GrrSnort

We've known for at least a month now that the Xbox was getting an early exclusive release of RB2. The fact that its only slightly over a month for the ps3 is actually pretty cool, if this is correct. (I was expecting a 2 month exclusivity window, with the ps3 release coinciding with the wii release.)

greeble

No WW or console simultaneous release = fail. I feel for you guys in Europe

Boudabras

IIRC, Isn't RB2 a Xbox 360 timed exclusive?

PlasmaMachine

Why is everyone so surprised by the fact that RB2 is being released first for 360? Hasn't this been common knowledge since before E3?

Anyway, totally psyched. September can't come soon enough.

ahmybrain

Hooray for ridiculously timed exclusives!

Now while all my friends are playing RB2, I'll have to wait another month to play it for myself, as I'm not buying another drumkit & guitar.

Al2x

@ChimDeathmonkey:
MS spending it's money again for timed exclusivity?

enewtabie

@svenhoek: It's all a conspiracy lol.

BrotherNick

Rock Band 2 Europe release dates:

Xbox 360- 2009, maybe...

PS3- Mid 2009, when we get around to it...

Wii- AH! ROFL!

Shiryu

WTF why cant they release them all at the same time. Why a month in between releases?

svenhoek

nice... if that's true the 360 wins again.

offsafety

@GrrSnort: I understand your concern with the lack of music editor, but it may just be that GH may not have what your looking for either. Why not just go with the leader of the two, and not the spoiled red oct..I mean red headed step child who needs their come up'ns.
Still boycotting Activision...just because they suck!

jonndirrt

the one thing that's still up in the air is these are the game only versions. The bundles are coming after the game only ones it seems.

Grumpz®

Hmm, I don't have to wait that much longer for the PS3 Rock Band 2 than I thought I had to. Kinda sucks that I can't play it as early as 360 folk, but oh well. This gives me an extra month to save up for that Ion Drum Kit bundle.

nflsonic

Honestly though, why is RB2 coming out a month earlier on the 360?

Oooh, nvm. MTV and Viacom are practically run by M$... just another lame attempt at getting the media to love the 360 again -.-

GTA4er

What is this one month apart crap?

ChimDeathmonkey

If RB2 had a music editor, my mind (and by proxy, my money) would be swayed. But as someone who used to write music in a band, I can't help but be tantalized by GH:WT. Sorry, Harmonix.

GrrSnort

Wow, I love the ancient Blockbuster POS software... of all the places for this leak to originate!

punkrawka

hey i think that's blockbuster screen used to work there. But sometimes we'd get dates for stuff and it wouldn't be true... but least that gives hope.

ReisE

cool. Time to save up.

Octo1

No simultaneous world release? Lame :(

GTA4er

These dates were already floating around as rumors, glad to see it's getting slighty closer to being confirmed. Waiting till October on the PS3 is going to be torture for me!

RickyTV

Awesome. Now if only they happened to have EU dates in their US catalog system...

LoopyChew

Wowzers! Time to start camping out!

Killer_WaLrUs

Over a month later for the PS3? *sigh* I never thought Microsoft's pockets would be deep enough to sway Harmonix, but I suppose they're only human.

Kirksplosion

@mva5580: Interesting point, but I actually think that the rhythm genre might be even more sustainable than sports. Perhaps even the most easily sustained franchises ever.

Because the levels in Guitar Hero (and now Rock Band) are SONGS (that have already been written, recorded, and certified hits), level design is almost a paint-by-numbers affair. Even with the modest starting point of the Beatles' first appearance on the Ed Sullivan show, there are more than 40 years of rock songs available. Thus, fresh levels have been waiting on the shelf for 40+ years, designed by everyone from Elvis Presley to Marilyn Manson.

I summed it all up in a post around the time GH3 came out
[liquidarchitecture.wordpress.com]

Todd Jones Mustache Ride

I'd better start saving for the new drum kit.

I just crushed my old one.

NerD!!!

@DevCo: And I assume you don't purchase video games on a regular basis? You know, because you're on a website for obsessive gamers and all. But yeah, in that self-reflective/self-deprecating way, yeah, we're all consumer whores...to a degree.

Anarchist_Gamer

@mva5580: While I agree that some people are going to get bored of the formula after a couple years, I think it's a little early to be calling it out just yet.

Also, I think it also depends on how you approach this whole music-game genre. If you approach it as just a game, then yes: people are absolutely going to get sick of it. BUT, what about just considering this a new, interactive way of listening to music? We've all been listening to albums most of our lives, that doesn't mean we're suddenly sick of music. New artists, albums, genres, and songs are released, and it's a new experience every time.

I play quite a few instruments outside of the videogame world as well, so this may be a musician's mentality, but plopping down behind that fake plastic drumset is just my new favorite way of experiencing music. I don't see that ever getting old.

Muzykmann

@mva5580: Already am, bro. Already am - but paying $60 for a disk and getting 85+ songs is better than DLC as far as value. And if all the songs are backwards compatible, I don't mind the upgrade.

Rockband is a platform, after all.

Anarchist_Gamer

Any word on if its gonna be as rare on release as RB1 was? I know it was plentiful literally the week after, but I might buy this the first week. :P Chicks Dig Rockband. Let's them pretend they know how to sing.

Megan Fox Iz Hot! ^-^ - ph15h

@enewtabie: And sony paying to get it a month before the Wii? ;)

Harteex

I call shenanigans!

I wouldn't read too much into these screenshots. I know exactly where this "tipster" works..."BLOCKBUSTER". As a former employee of said corporation...I recognize that screen anywhere!

Also...in my experience with game dates in the computer at BBV...they seem to be wrong more times than they are right. Maybe...maybe...with a big title like this there's hope of a November 18th release, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was wrong.

That's my 2 cents.

jshgambit

@mva5580: Um, I'd say a new setlist is a BIG improvement compared to roster updates. That is the core content of the game and is completely changed. Yes, the mechanics of the gameplay only get incremental improvements, but the music is what you play for and new songs are a world away from the latest on base percentage for the Padres back-up catcher.

BStu

again, PS3 gets a delay.

kevinl

@Muzykmann: And that's great, it's your money and you should spend it how you see fit. I'm not telling people how to think, nor do I have any suggestinos on how to make it better. My PERSONAL preference is to download all the games on Frets on Fire for free and use the Alarian 2.9 mod which makes it look just like Rock Band or Guitar Hero. But I know that's not a solution for most people because, well I have no idea why it's not a solution. I guess maybe some people just feel better about Rock Band because they're paying for it and feel it has more polish. Different strokes for different folks, as the saying goes.

All I'm saying is that Rock Band/Guitar Hero are huge now, but this business model is dangerous in regards to frustrating the general consumer base. It's all good and well that they're releasing a lot of new songs. But how long does that last? A month for most hardcore people? 2 maybe? Just having a new setlist every year isn't going to be enough to sustain these games long term. Disagree with me all you want, it doesn't bother me any. I'm just stating my opinion.

mva5580

@punkrawka: Yeah does yours still say to check and see if the nes instruction mannual is in the case?

Kadugen

Consumer Whores

DevCo

@mva5580: This is the 3rd year - Guitar Hero came out in 2005 and we've averaged more than one new title each year since.

Whether or not this genre goes stale in the future remains to be seen, but in terms of Rock Band 2 it is most definitely not a "marginal improvement".

Struct09

I'll be on vacation for the release on the 360. As much as I love Rock Band, I'm not that upset... because I REALLY need my vacation. :P

DerrickDS

ummm, this is OFN

eddienoteddy

@mva5580: And what, good sir, would YOU change about a game where you're using fake instruments to pretend to play music?. What else is there to change in a rhythm game? Aside from a couple of new options and features (most of which Harmonix has addressed) I wanted nothing new from RB2, just a metric butt-load of new content. They're delivering.

If you think it's a rip-off, don't buy it. For my money, 100ish new tracks for $60 is a BARGAIN.

Muzykmann

@GrrSnort: If you think your apparent skill in writing music is going to translate over to GH4 without jumping through a ton of hoops and learning some annoying, strangely built interface, you're nuts. I play plenty of "real" music as well, but GH4's little write your own music mode doesn't interest me in the least.

KaneRobot

AUSTRALIA - 2000 NEVER!!!

kazooie

Dates are also posted at ebgames.com or gamestop.com. Shows the Pre-Order Ships dates for all systems right on that site.

mj_and_hj

Im waiting for Guitar Hero World tour, then ill do some rockin!

Ackers

@Kirksplosion:

According to Harmonix, they didn't sell out for a timed exclusive. They said that it's just a matter of the 360 being easier to develop for, and that version will just be done fastest. As a PS3 and Wii owner I'm not really happy about that, but I can see why Harmonix wouldn't want to just hold back a finished version.

JB4GDI

I'll wait the extra month tyvm MS.

weasl

@Rectangle: But whats the point you won't have a harddrive so the game is pretty much worthless after a week.

immikeulate

damn, it's too close to lbp.

VixDiesel

and don't even call me a fanboy , i got a rrod 360 and don't plan to get a new one until it's resolved the cooling system

sparepanic

pppfffttt

it's the same crappy system until rrod are resolved

sparepanic

@Todd Jones Mustache Ride: I hear you, and it's certainly a legitimate possibility. Music goes across all people, where as sports is more niche. So I certainly get that point of view and could definitely be correct.

I don't think I'd have that opinion if the releases weren't so close together of a retail product. I get their business model and desire for profit but I think I'd be a little more understanding if it was all DLC as opposed to a new $60 disc every year. But I get the thought process their as well, saving HD space and all that.

It's understandable, really. But it just seems to me like the market is really getting oversaturated with music titles. And I love your user name. Doesn't get better than that.

mva5580

Yup - that's a Blockbuster screen - I worked there for six years. And their dates, especially those for video games, are almost always wrong.

For example, "Twilight Princess" was originally supposed to be released in May 2005, then November 2005, then March 2006... and so on.

Personally, I wouldn't trust a release date until the publisher makes one public.

chemicalpink

@ReisE: yes thats true, some of the dates were way off

SmokeFemur

Lol
when i used to work at blockbuster (thats what those screenshots are from) street dates used to pop up before the announcments did
guess now thier being put to use!!!

SmokeFemur

@mva5580: You're getting $168 worth of DLC (at standard 160 MSP/$1.99 per track, $208 worth if you count the 20 free downloadable tracks at release) and fairly major engine and gameplay updates (hyperspeed, band challenges, new outfits and costumes, revamped vocal detection, among other things that could be even MORE paid DLC if they wanted it to be) for sixty bucks.

To be honest, I wish they could afford to do that more often than two such releases in ten months. I'd be a happy camper.

And in regards to the music editor in GHWT, it'll probably be fun, but it'll more than likely be just as hard as it was to make good music in MTV Music Generator.

Dewgy

@fuzzymuffins: I think that's why they're not making a huge deal out of it. The 360 version is going to be finished first and they're not holding it back to do a simultaneous release. There's next to no marketing push over the temporary exclusivity.

The new controllers are set to come out on all systems at the same time though.

Dewgy

@fuzzymuffins: "as if someone who has a ps3 or wii will actually want to buy an xbox because RB2 comes out a month early."

Someone with no current generation console at all might buy an XBox 360 because RB2 came out for it a month early. Not to mention that the 360's price drop will make it pretty attractive.

Rectangle

'exclusive' release dates make absolutely no sense amongst consoles ...only understandable in the case of delaying a PC release (as was done with GTA IV because of it's massive pirating potential)

as if someone who has a ps3 or wii will actually want to buy an xbox because RB2 comes out a month early.

fine. go ahead. we'll wait.

fuzzymuffins

berribrand: The Wii and PS2 don't have hard drives. And I suppose you could download a few songs to the 256MB flash card included with the Arcade. :) That would give them a taste and have them running out to buy a hard drive within a month. ;)

Rectangle

@chemicalpink: Ditto. Soul Calibur II came out two months before the street date in the system.

C22DBlueKnightOne

@berribrand: No hard drive means no DLC for you.
But you can still play on-disc songs.

MasterAce

@Rectangle: Not flaming here, but how do you play RB without a hard drive? I thought the Arcade doesn't have one? Can you download songs??

berribrand

If that is correct, I can only pray that the Wii release is later than the others to make it up to par with them.

I own Rock Band 1 on 360 already, and the Wii version is just embarrassing in comparison. Hopefully they fix it up this time instead of just porting the PS2 game badly.

MasterAce

@Lazlo: I wasn't trying to be overly correct, but RO does do the music side of things for GH, Neversoft programs said selected music. While they do have a say in what's included in the game, it's Red Octane that goes out and gets it.

GrrSnort

@Harteex:

Wow, you're really smart! -.-

No, it's all M$' shenannigans and throwing money at Viacom and Harmonix (like usual)

GTA4er

Sounds about right. Now where are my Ion drums!?

ScottG13

Microsoft gets it a month early due to them paying for it to be that way. They slapped down some change so that it would go 360 before everyone else. Don't you remember the E3 presser, that douchey guy made a big deal by saying that it was.

@GrrSnort:
Just so ya know, when you say that you prefer Red Octane's setlists in the past, umm...they have never actually compiled a setlist. It's always been Harmonix (GH 1 & 2) or Neversoft, with GH 3.

Lazlo

@KaneRobot: I'm glad you think I'm being combatative. Rock Band's musical selection doesn't tickle my fancy at all. I was about to buy RB, even though I was a bit leary of the music in it. Guitar Hero then announced World Tour and all it's features and I changed my mind. I prefer Red Octane's music selection for their games. It's all in preference. That and with everything RB2 is offering in comparison to GH:WT, I'm glad I'm getting Guitar Hero now. Now, about the music editor: I'm not naive in thinking that my every musical whim will come to fruition with this music editor, but at least I'll be able to do more than I am currently capable. Being married, paying bills, working, etc. it doesn't leave alot of time for doing things I used to love doing in the past. And if I have to spend 40 hours to get one song just right, so be it. I'm used to that.

GrrSnort

@GrrSnort: Red Octane makes hardware.

Stalkumi

No PS2 version?

stune

The date has been on IGN for a while now. Old news.

PC+Mac Coexist

That date seems about right. Hopefully, EA'll pull the finger out and get it out in Europe before the end of the year. They'd be stupid not to. And as they'll be competing properly with Guitar Hero this time, I'm sure they'll try and get it out so as to capitalise on their existing user base.

Ganepark32

@mva5580:

I agree with you to some extent. I'm a little irritated the Rock Band 2 is arriving one year later touting features like online World Tour and Quickplay setlists: details that should have been included or patched into Rock Band 1.

However, the quality and size of the setlist (to say nothing of the mysterious free 20 songs) was enough to win me over again. And it was really quite game of Harmonix to include the RB1 importing feature.

Cam_Ras

Oh, also, you "MS PAID FOR EXCLUSIVITY AND I THINK THATS BAAAAAD" whiners:

GAMEDAILY BIZ: Why are you limiting RB2's launch to one platform (X360) initially? Doesn't it make sense to launch on all platforms right away like your competition?

Alex Rigopulos: The reason we're releasing it on the 360 early is that it's the lead development platform, so we're finishing the game on the 360 first. And rather than hold that version back to release it when the other versions are complete, we decided we wanted to get it into the audience's hands as early as we could.

Muzykmann

GrrSnort: "Being married, paying bills, working, etc. it doesn't leave alot of time for doing things I used to love doing in the past. And if I have to spend 40 hours to get one song just right, so be it."

Wait, so you don't have a lot of time for creating music, so you're looking forward to the inefficient way to create music. What?

Muzykmann

lame as in, it's only one month :P

HalcyonX12

Wonder how much MS paid for that lame exclusive

HalcyonX12

@mva5580:
I get what you're saying here, and if all you're interested in is a guitar sim and you're willing to do the legwork, then Frets on Fire is an excellent choice.

What RB and GH:WT offer is innovation in the holistic experience. Playing by yourself is all well and good, but throw in a singer, drummer, bassist, a couple cases of beer, six or seven players waiting in the wings, and you've got a very enjoyable night.

Additionally, the idea of playing the fake guitar can be difficult for people to wrap their heads around, especially if they aren't musically inclined or seasoned gamers. But (almost) everyone can sing along to their favorite song. So they start there, but eventually they'll say, "hey, can I try the guitar?" or "drumming looks like fun." And then they're hooked.

Developer switch aside, GH3 fell victim to staleness. For me at least, I found it notably less fun than the jump from GH1 to GH2. Mostly because that mechanic is largely perfected and there really isn't room for innovation within that particular area without resorting to too many gimmicks (boss guitar duels being borderline). Or maybe ramping up the difficulty to ridiculous levels (fuck YOU, One on Expert). Cross that line, and it becomes less of a simulator and more of a game, which runs contrary to its initial appeal. I wonder if RB2 will avoid that.

I think the gameplay mechanic is going to be largely saturated at the level of RB and GH:WT. Aside from adding more cymbals, maybe a keytar or cowbell, I can't think of much to grow in terms of a leap from GH3 to RB. Of course, a year ago I was thinking that nothing could come along and dethrone GH3 for me, so I hope I'm wrong. I guess that's why they make the games and I just hemorrhage cash each year to pay for it and feel grateful for the experience.

jgw

lets pray they dont gimp the wii version again. come on harmonix, at least add online play. at least gh3 had that much

bigman88zz

PS3 Rockband 2 comes out on my birthday. Perfect.

Tzepish

I'm fairly sure it's not a timed exclusive, but instead the fact that the 360 is the lead SKU for Rock Band. Anyway, this is great news.

pastepunkjames

Dear Timed Exclusive,

You're only worth it if you're at least 6 months.

Sincerely,
Common Sense

DARTH_TIGRIS

@chemicalpink:

x2

those are probably bogus dates.

PowdrdMilkMan

@Muzykmann: Also, I don't have the $3500 to drop on real instruments and recording hardware/software. What do you suggest? Wii Music?
Lay off, jerk.

GrrSnort

@Muzykmann: How is it innefficient if I can get my wife, who hates video games in general, a worse way to play. I don't like your Kool-Aid and refuse to drink it sir.

GrrSnort

not sure if anyone has bothered mentioning this or not (got tired of going through all the posts arguing about if it was worth it or not), but with how many people posted recognizing that as the blockbuster POS system im hoping someone did.

The release dates for games in the POS system are generally wrong, or at least they were when i was working for the company a few years back. If its changed in the last couple years great, i doubt it though because it shows a release date on a sunday. i dont remember the last big release for a game that was on a sunday other than the occasional nintendo one.

Kyoya

I really thought it was coming out in November. Two less months to wait. SWEET! Hopefully my Ion Drum Set will get in about the same time.

psychobaka

@Harteex: Nintendo prints money, so it's not a big deal to them, I'm sure.

ArgentAngel

As a blockbuster employee I can say for certain that is a Blockbuster Status screen. These dates are certainly subject to change, however we do get dates before they are announced to the street sometimes and these could be legit also. I am totally checking this out at work tom. lol.

WPack911

Hooray! Brilliant. Now, how about the date for the United Kingdom and all those irritating European countries who so hilariously hold back our release dates for nearly two thirds of a year? Christmas, perhaps? Oh sorry, that's far too ambitious. Alright, how about March - just in time for the Easter hols? No? Well, come on then, wha- ... WHAT? May 2009? You've got to be bloody kidding! How LONG does it take you to regionalise some menus?

aesthetis

Isnt a cd from the same band just a roster update by that logic?

TheGreySpectre

Those dates have been on the release calendar for about 2 months now.

screamingslave

all y'all stop your jibba jabber, that's a Blockbuster Video POS (point of sale) screen. I used to work there and their dates were always wrong. They just gotta put something down for it to be in the system. i wouldn't call this a conformation.

EXCITEbuck

When is the PAL release coming? Q3 2009?? How much is it gonna cost? 340$. Stupid EA region locking. I haven't decided if I'm gonna buy RB2 equipment or not but if I am, I'll buy it for the PS3. And a PS3 to run it on.

Shinryoma

Rockband lost its momentum in Europe when it was far too late, overpriced and launched almost around the same time as World Tour was announced.

I hope this time around both GH and RB realize that gamers inform themselves world-wide. When there is hype about a new game that launched in the US, we want to play and buy. When the US has had a game for 6 months and moves on, we start losing interest.

If the problem for the games are the smaller stores here in Europe then just make it an Amazon exclusive...

thinlebowski

AWESOME! I needs me some more Rock Band...because..you know, there's just so LITTLE DLC for it...I mean...48 songs is not enough...

Tietsu

My only complaint about having to wait a month longer than the 360 to play RB2 is the fact that everything will probably be FC'd by then. And it's going to be incredibly hard to not watch any vids for true sightreads.

KEFIOX

So the US is getting Rock Band 2 before Australia gets Rock Band 1? Super. Fricken super.

justpretend

Well I suppose the ps3 version will reach my country in november, then.

Now just gimme some Rust In Peace DLC and i'll get this and the ion kit.

Also I think some black metal would be cool, except tr00 n3cr0 black metal dudes do not play videogames (lol), and it would completely fail to reach its destined market. but still, some nargaroth would rock (shyeah right. i can dream :P) "Love is always over with ejaculation" could be an instant hit.

PsyComa

I work at Blockbuster, and I'd take these release dates with a grain of salt.
They change constantly. I'll repost dates of other games also when I get to work tonight.

OmgRyan

If all goes according to plan...

I will be rocking out on Rock Band 2 with geekgrrl at PAX in August. It will be my only chance to rawk with her since she lives several hundred miles away from me. :(

mentok1982

@enewtabie: you don't need a hard drive to just play the game. You might want it if you're planning on downloading more songs.

zgreenwell

@Rectangle:

Then you can't download new songs -- that's brilliant. Just get a PS3 and for the price of the HDD add-on you get built in wifi / user upgradable off the shelf hdd / Blu-ray. I honestly don't see the value in the 360 anymore.

Also the Rockband 2 hardware isn't going on sale until the PS3 RB2 release in October. Get your facts correct at least. :)

Mongoosekun

@Mongoosekun: Source on that last information?

Blues