@GT-Sythis:

To even put that piece of shit controller, with it's disgusting segmented d-pad, in the same league as the SNES controller is blasphemy.

RonCey

@excel_excel:

Analogue sticks are good and fine, but the button layout and overall setup of the thing made it confusing and hard to use. It's not very easy to use the L and Z buttons in the same game. Those yellow directional buttons were dumb too.

Now that I think of it, the analogue sticks on the N64 controller were garbage. They broke very easily and became limp and useless.

I'm pretty sure I would stick with my reliable SNES controller, if I had a choice.

CaptLtrl

It's okay! It's okay!

It HAD to be sarcasm..

goreonthefloor

I loved the SNES controller. I don't think the transition from that one to the N64 controller had anything to do with consumer feedback. I think it was the evolution of gaming that made Nintendo design that. The need for an analog stick for instnace, and for more buttons.

Everyone I knew loved the SNES controller. The NES one on the other hand? Well it's nostalgic, but the sharp edges were a bitch on your palms.

LittleBigPlaneteer

Megawoman?

Schoolimangooli's backpack turns into a ham sandwich!

You'll probably get hell for saying you weren't impressed by Mega Man 9, not to mention the SNES comment, AJ. I appreciate the honesty, however, and take comfort in the fact that you are like me in the fact that you don't enjoy punishingly hard "memorization" games.

Thorax

WTF! The SNES controller rocked! It keeps rocking till these days, which is why many people buy the USB SNES controllers to play games on their PC. Bleh.

biznatch

@Kuririn: Oh don't get me wrong, I am a rabid Megaman fan and I loved Megaman Legends, never got to play number 2 but I did get the Misadventures of Tron Bonne!

BUT, being a fan doesn't blind me to the fact that while I may have enjoyed the game, it was awfully designed and controls sucks.

Playing the game and want to know how to kill ANY enemy? Strafe....

I liked the Megaman battlenetwork games as well. But like I said, being a fan doesn't blind me :)

Marius13

@pezcore2552: Well I love AJ, cause shes called AJ and shes funny, and and and....I'm dying to not what AJ stands for.
I know if she was a man it'd stand for Alan Jones but...well shes a lady...I think...

excel_excel

@pezcore2552: Wow, just wow. I had that same exact comment in my head before I scrolled down and saw yours. On both accounts. AJ being a passable writer (I fucking loved the SNES controller) and the Wing being a mandatory purchase.

R U ME?

jeffx

@CaptLtrl: I did. That controller rocked!!! First analogue stick, all those buttons, that big juicy red start button! and the port for the rumble pack, memory pack and....GB game thingie!
All great EXCEPT the dead skin that collected around the analogue stick. ugh.

excel_excel

Mega Man with gender equality?
BLASPHEMY!

CSanjuro

@CaptLtrl: Me!

SolidEyeSystem

I liked the SNES controller that much! :(

Pombar

mega man legends was an amazing game. hell i hope more for a mega man legends 3 then anything. I am although currently playing mega man 3 now. I started about last week playing from 1-8 to prepare for 9. This is my first time playing the originals and it is amazing. Love the music, especially mega man 2 dr. wily fortress 1-2.

mythus

The SNES controller did not "evolve" into the N64 controller. Devolved maybe?

Hrist

The SNES pad is still the greatest controller of all time in my opinion. Better than the Dualshock even.

GT-Sythis

Who preferred that tripod monstrosity N64 controller over the SNES pad? Not me!

CaptLtrl

@Marius13: but I liked Megan man Legends!........

does this make me a bad megaman fan?

i mean i hated the more recent battle network ones.....no?...i cant be saved after proclaiming my interest in megaman legends?.....

NOOOOOO!!!!!!!

Kuririn

"We didn't like the SNES controllers all that much to begin with."

*blink blink* I am saddened. Don't mind the blocks falling from my eyes. They are but pixelated tears. With Mode 7 scaling.

ShaggE

who's this AJ? A woman? Typos?

meh?

and yea, the wing looks pretty cool!

CiciColino

I'm really not liking this AJ character. I think I've been more pissed than informed/entertained by all of her posts so far. Just a heads up to you guys over at Kotaku Tower.

More on topic, Mega Man 9 still looks awesome and I may have to invest in one of those (non papercraft) Wing controllers.

pezcore2552

"(Oooh, scary! Two grils!)"

I'd be scared too if "grils" made it into my Mega Man.

Rauzaruke

I find it strange that after all these years of trying to go 3D and make the best graphics, in the end the best games are just the simple ones. Good job on Capcom for realizing this and NOT making another Megaman Legends game..

Now if only other companies would learn.

I'm looking at you Sega!

Marius13

Dreamcast controller FTW

Heart-Skull-Kid

"We didn't like the SNES controllers all that much to begin with (which is why they evolved into N64 controllers)"

Oh god, not agai--- *vomits shit uncontrollably again*

Ping5000

@excel_excel: It has 6 face buttons like the Genesis controller, but it has a different design and shoulder buttons.

Rambozo

@Rambozo: wasn't that EXACTLY the same as the 6 button mega drive pad?

excel_excel

The SNES controller is awesome, but the Saturn controller is the best

Rambozo

Hey, I like the Classic Controller. It has that "Not a cheap third-party plastic crap" smell.

Yaanu

@LittleBigPlaneteer: actually that reminds me when I was kid because of the nes controller I got 'nintendoitis' (I shit you not, thats what they called it) as they called it where your hands hurt from that god damned controller

excel_excel

@RonCey:
That's what kills the PlayStation controllers for me. The crap D-Pad. Also with the move from the regular PS controller to the DualShock, they really should've moved the left analog into them main position where the D-Pad still resides. It's akward to use the left analog, which is now the main control on that side of the device, in the secondary position... I love my Wavebird, the 360 pad comes in a close second.

sugardeath

@CaptLtrl: Ok....they DID become limp and when it did you had to fucking push it with your thumb to bejesus but...it felt good in the hand. And what games used L and Z at the same time? ever? I don't think there was any, L was normally ignored unless a game used the d-pad

excel_excel

@Heart-Skull-Kid: Stop defying logiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiic!

Pombar

and since we're talking old Capcom games: Bionic Commando Rearmed in Hard mode is freaking IMPOSSIBLE. Stuck in Area 6 :/

Alex_Mexico

I wouldnt have minded if half of the robot masters were chicks... oh well.

Alex_Mexico

@excel_excel:

Male
AJ = Alan Jones

wtf?!

is this a rule or something?

I'm sure AJ could easily be Alexander Jacob or Alexia Jones or Andrea Joseph or Arthur Jerusalem or Aideliena Jadgerpanther or Auxterupologolian Jayuleegofe...

etc etc etc.

really. could be anything, be creative! yet you chose Alan Jones?!

sheesh.

Onizuka-GTO

Gender Equality?

Do you really want to fight for gender equality for Robot Masters? Their entire purpose is to be destroyed by Megaman.

TheWP

This is actually the very first time I've seen or heard anyone say that the SNES pad was bad. Pretty much unanimous praise up to this point.

Toasticus

I guess this is not the place to bring up the 360's d-pad... XD

Capt_Billy

"Something that needed to change, though, was that Classic Controller. It's just too damned retro. We didn't like the SNES controllers all that much to begin with (which is why they evolved into N64 controllers), so why shove a throwback down our throats when we want to play retro games?"

The Classic controller didn't/doesn't need to change because it is like the SNES controller - but rather because it isn't. The SNES controller is one of (if not the) most comfortable non-analog-stick controllers to date (and still has a better D-Pad than any Dualshock controller). The N64 controller was garbage in the eyes of many, so saying the SNES controller evolved into it is very, very wrong.

As for the wing controller - looks pretty cool. Certainly better than the Classic Controller. >_< I just wish Nintendo would update the dame Wii firmware so you could re-map the buttons for Virtual Console games. :(

-Age

Ageman20XX

@Onizuka-GTO: Hahhaah! Awesome selection of names! Particularly the last two. I was just going to go with something boring like Allison Jane. Well, boring compared to your examples anyway.

SPhil64

<3 SNES Controller. It's still the basis for every console controller out there. Well; except the Wii... I dont know how you can say that the N64 was the right evolution for it. I think the N64 did what was neccesary at the time for 3-D games; then evolved into the Gamecube controller.

Zeiphor

Who doesn't like the SNES controller?!?!?!???

This is crazy talk!!!!

LedRush

Patrick McHellen is a hottie.

ketenol

@CiciColino: Yes, genius, she is a woman. You know, the other gender? Maybe you haven't seen one in a while. And if this is the first typo you've seen on Kotaku (you seem to be surprised by both the gender difference and spelling) you must just be looking at the articles pretty pictures.

SarcasmOD

@Marius13: i guess thats why handhelds are outselling consoles nowadays

resetbutton

Regardless of the whole SNES vs. N64 controller debate...

WHY does the Wing have the button configuration of the X-box controller?! WHY?! YXBA, not XYAB! This is Nintendo, right?

vid3oman64

@Everyone: Can we cool it on the hate please? The chick's entitled to her opinion, just as you're entitled to yours. Jeez.

That being said, I can't wait until Mega Man 9, I love the SNES controller and the classic controller, and would probably sacrifice my left nut for a Mega Man Legends 3.

Rocci1212

I can't imagine a serious complaint about the SNES controller. The thing was simple, comfortable, and effective. Honestly, I don't think I've ever met anyone who didn't like the SNES, period.

Personally, I like every one of Nintendo's controllers. Even the Virtual Boy, despite having a couple *ahem* questionable design choices, had an awesome controller.

Zorantor

@vid3oman64: I don't understand... In the picture, it IS "YXBA"...
It has the Nintendo button configuration... Not the XBOX one.

Dynosaulo

I can already tell I don't like this "AJ" person. "We" didn't like the snes controller? Sorry but you never speak for everyone, especially when you have the opposite opinion of most people.

Second of all, you don't make fun of Capcoms policy on grils.

walkman1022

@Marius13:

Yeah, good thing.

Since there aren't legions of fans clamoring for a third Megaman Legends.

Mact

Whassup with this?

You got your gril all up in my Megaman.

Mact

You don't like the SNES controller? I can't think of a better one... Maybe if you put a Nintendo quality D-Pad on the 360 controller.

Apreche

@Rocci1212: I think it's when she said "we". As you can see by the comments, most Kotaku commenters loved the SNES controller. It would've been fine if she said "I" didn't like it.

I happen to love the SNES controller. <3

Stoli

@Hrist:

No. Definitely evolution.

But one of those evolutions that die off because they have an extra chromosome, rendering them physically inept.

Mact

"We didn't like the SNES controllers all that much to begin with (which is why they evolved into N64 controllers), so why shove a throwback down our throats when we want to play retro games?"

I didn't hate the N64 controller, but many do for obvious reasons.

The layout was terrible. The left side's existence was completely pointless as a player would have their left hand sitting on the middle grip constantly. The D-pad existed for the hell of Nintendo systems having a D-pad and the L-trigger was always mapped to the same control as the R-trigger because, let's face it, you couldn't reach the sucker anyway.

The SNES control had absolutely nothing wrong with it.

Hell. Look at how many people would love to take those Japanese-exclusive SNES Wii controls off of their owners' hands.

The only problem with the Classic Control is that it isn't enough like the SNES pad.

Mact

This is blasphemy.

"We" didnt like the SNES controller?!

*uber gasp*

I...

I cant believe you just said that.

Kotaku is dead to me...

jk <3

Terrorsaur.

@Lord Thayer: Accidentally submitted too fast. The only thing ergonomic about it was the fact that it wasn't square. At least it was a step.

Lord Thayer

God DAMN it the SNES controller is terrible. Maybe it was passable when we had smaller hands, but man, I fired up Mega Man X 3 the other day on my friend's SNES and my hands descended into sorrow.

Lord Thayer

@Rocci1212:
Yes. She's entitled to her opinions.

She is not, however, entitled to trying to buff up her opinions as fact by pluralizing herself.

Mact

@Marius13: I have never seen the words "good job" and "not making megaman legends" in the same sentence.

I should inform you that sentence is ridiculous, mountainous piles of fail, and Megaman Legends 3 needs to enter dev ASAP

Superlocke

Gotta disagree here, the n64 was terrible and the gamecube controller is the worst one I've ever used. Nintendo hasn't done a controller right since the snes.

Thankfully for all of us, opinion =/= fact.

ItotheCtotheE

"We didn't like the SNES controllers all that much to begin with."

speak for yourself...

and the fact you dont like the latest (or any) megaman 9 build is strike 2... >=(

kablammyman

oh, didnt read the other comments.... and yeah, SNES controller is probably one of the best ever.
My favourite at least. Followed by the gamecube one (if they had better intuitive shoulder buttons) and the ps2/3 one.

The thing that breaks the classic controller is just it's design. It's completely flat, has sensitive analog sticks and is a touch small.

Superlocke

Ugh, I've bit my tounge for now, but this AJ poster is terrible. Just throwing in my two cents, but this is not up to Kotaku's standards.

How can you hate on the SNES controller, it made Street Fighter 2 a bloody joy to play at home.

TeflonBilly

Big fan of the classic controller, as well as the SNES controller

Shouldn't MM9 be playable with a sideways Wii remote anyhow?

keanerie

I'M A GIRL AND

Babylonian

Have any of you guys actually used the SNES controller lately? It still holds a special place in my heart as I think I spent more time with it than I have with my dingaling collectively, but it really isn't a good controller. That doesn't mean you can't like it, I'm just saying its pretty poor by today's standards. I absolutely loved my first car (RIP), but it was a piece of junk.

Lord Thayer

ah dude the snes pad was the best and honestly the classic controller rocks best d pad ever!!!!.... now only if nintendo would let me use the damn thing...

Jad35

@CaptLtrl: Fair enough. I may never understand it, but at least its not blind nostalgia.

Lord Thayer

@Lord Thayer:

I was playing Super Metroid today, so yeah, I have. Still love it.

CaptLtrl

@Lord Thayer: Compared to the 360's comfort, it can't hold up. But so far as things feeling right and acting right, its got at least 2/3 of this generation's controllers beat.

Tubatic

AJ's alright, because she did a Mega Man article.

But yeah, SNES controller was, in fact, the hotness ma'am.

Tubatic

@Mact: You're saying the N64 controller....is an SNES pad with Down's syndrome?

Shirleycakes

@biznatch: The SNES controller rocked... It had an excellent design. One that was perfected in the Dual Shock. Even Sega realized that the cross pattern for face buttons was best when they made the dreamcast, which MS eventually, um, borrowed for Big Bertha et al.

bobtheduck

AJ with the snes controller comment you have, in one fell swoop:

1. Shown that you are not in touch with the gaming community at all.... ALL MODERN GAMING CONTROLPADS ARE A DIRECT COPY OF THE SNES CONTROLLER. It is, without question, the most popular controller design of all time.

2. Completely lost any credibility by saying the classic controller is just like the snes one. For one thing the classic is too big, which makes it feel akward, and the button placement is slightly off.

3. Completely lost any wieght as any kind of critic by saying you prefer the n64 controller. Mind you I'm not one of the mindless drones that hated it, but the snes was still a better controller.

HowardC

"We didn't like the SNES controllers all that much to begin with" speak for yourself! :P

elronathon

Rofl, AJ, do you even have a gaming past? You really don't wanna wake the army of SNES fans. This comment on the SNES controller shows you're writing for the wrong blog.

Windowlicker

I got a Snes/Gamecube dongle at retrousb.com and use a actual Snes controller with my Wii, as good as, if not better than then Nintendo Club Japan release...
(no batteries required)

They also have NES dongles too...

That Nyko "wing" is horrid, but may appeal to some people, but not me...

Mr.Monkey

FACT: Googling 'patrick.mchellen' gets you a only a few hits, of which all are of this Kotaku post or content rips of this post.
CONJECTURE: This 'Patrick McHellen' person is BALLS, i.e. non-existent.

Protector one

@Alex_Mexico: You think that's impossible? Wait until you get to the last boss on Super Hard, I used more than 40 lives on that battle alone. o_O

TheContender

"We didn't like the SNES controllers all that much to begin with..."

And if you say you love the DualShock then you are a hypocrite. The SNES controller was the basis for everything the de facto controller now stands for. Four buttons in a diamond pattern, shoulder buttons, curves... the list goes on.

bassbeast

@bassbeast: [en.wikipedia.org]

Lord Thayer

This blog post strikes me as really funny -- were you drinking while you wrote it? :-P

kiasays

I never the original 8-bit Mega Man games, but I'm sure this will make Capcom a ton of money. I really would've preferred a 2D revolution of a game. Go the 'Legend of Mana' route and make the game look like a watercolor painting. I don't know... something interesting.

Do Kesubei

I'm not crazy about the "we" didn't like SNES controllers either. I don't know a single person who didn't like them.

I don't like the rest of this review because it didn't convey what I wanted to know. Honestly, what I would like to have seen was some reviewing on the feel of the buttons and d-pad on this 3rd party controller. I find that my usual complaint is that they stick slightly, no matter what the brand. And how was the wireless? The thing that really sucks about the Classic Controller is that it is wired. (and strangely wired at that...crotch flossing ftl...) If they made it wireless and still managed to keep it at the $20 mark, I'd be a very happy girl

teraphony

You got bad writing in my Kotaku.
Must try harder.

Where/when did Flynn go anyway?

mrrobsa

@geekgrrl:

While I won't pull an AJ and speak for the rest, I wouldn't even be aware that she was a she if not for everyone referring to her as such.

Actually, I wouldn't even have glanced at who wrote the article if not for all the "AJ" mentioning.

Mact

@Lord Thayer:

Ergonomics does not explain the four buttons in a cross pattern.

Mact

Can we get the Assorted Expidentures of Teasel Bonne now?

Toastbusters

@Superlocke:

The opinions on the Gamecube control seem to be a mixed bag.

Some absolutely love it. Others absolutely hate it.

I'm in the former crowd.

Not only did it not have too many buttons, but all of the buttons were reachable. The fact that X, A, B, and Y where different shapes also took away the possibility of hitting the wrong one.

Perfect size and weight as well, only improved by the Wavebird. The Wavebird being my favorite control ever.

Mact

Good lord. So AJ and her friends didn't like the SNES controller. BIG DEAL. Everyone's entitled to their opinions on her writing, certainly, but just because she doesn't like a controller doesn't mean you should question her ability to write for a gaming blog. Unbelievable.

I'm enjoying her writing, personally. AJ, keep it up.

Spoony Bard

I man enough to admit I wouldn't play the new megaman simply because I don't like dying over and over again too. I sucked so bad that I think I maybe beat Top-Man and.... Woodsman?

Loved NES megaman games when I was a kid and I'm fine with those memories.

I think its awesome they're making it though.

grecords

Of course we had it tough. In my day we had one analog stick, which we called "joy", and a single button suitable for jumping or shooting, but God help you if you needed to do both.

Your Rockmans with with their platforms and shooting were far off in the atomic push-button world of tomorrow. That's World's Fair stuff, son. That's Tomorrowland.

Yonderboy

@Protector one: i can't google one of my ex-bfs, even though he practically lives on the 'net and has a unique name. it is still possible, in this day and age.

i'm not getting the hate. do you guys do this to the male newbies? i haven't had a problem with AJ, she seems to know what she's about; i liked her plebian PAX coverage. the "we" angle is slightly baffling, but she is certainly entitled to her opinion.

geekgrrl

Ummm....how was the controller? Comfortable? Responsive? Is the d-pad decent? THESE are questions I need answers for!

Knoxximus (360/PSN)

Actually I'm of the opinion the SNES was the best control pad evar.

kidko

I didn't find that the classic controller was itsy-bitsy; actually, I would have rather had the option to buy that awesome SNES-lookin' Wii pad....

Are sales of the Wii Classic controller still on hiatus?

PlayerX

@kidko: Next to the PlayStation's

Schoolimangooli's backpack turns into a ham sandwich!

@Knoxximus (360/PSN): Finally a comment asking the real questions. Why did the post not address that simple question about how good a controller this is with any real details?

mzs

@mzs

Because she hates learning, which is painfully obvious by this half hearted, lazy post.

donJonSwan

@vid3oman64:

Yeah I hate the order on xbox, I still got SNES glued in my mind....because it's the best controller design ever. I still don't believe he said "we", when he's probably in the 3% that don't like it much.

Dual shock would be so much better if the D-Pad was like SNES or, totally nothing analog about it. I always used a dual shock 1 gamepad to play street fighter, because the damn dual shock 2 has "analog" D-pad , what a dumb idea, really dumb.

Gamecube was the worst idea ever. "hey we got the buttons right last 2 generations, now let's make it awkward and fuckin useless with no improvement what ever with a BIG A button for stupid morons that can't see well and look at the gamepad when playing a game...oh and let's put X and Y not like SNES just to play with minds of longtime fans. GREAT, no one can press Y and B at same time, we are so cool"

GodKiller0

@teraphony:

See, if AJ had written like Teraphony, there wouldn't be this dumb stereotype about females in gaming.

Actually, the more and more I read this article, the more I dislike it. Not just the opinion issue either. There just doesn't seem to be a cohesive point to it.

It tries to be about Megaman, the Wing control, and the problems of the Classic control, but doesn't succeed at addressing any of them specifically. Just sort of glances over them.

That and this line:
"so why shove a throwback down our throats when we want to play retro games?"

Aren't retro games all about throwbacks? Isn't that the entire point?

Slightly contradictory. A big part of retro games is playing how you played in the first place. Why do you think Inafune isn't decking out Megaman 9 with all sorts of new controls.

Mact

@GodKiller0:

Example of the Gamecube split.

The Gamecube controller was an ergonomic improvement over the SNES button layout. It wasn't about layout or looking at the control. It was about feel.

Four identically feeling buttons can take some getting used to, or even cause confusion for some.

The distinctive shapes of the X, Y, A, and B buttons on the Gamecube control remedied this. If the games didn't require you to press Y and B at the same time, what's the issue?

Mact

this game looks pretty rad. i love the idea. but i also would like to see a proper sequel to MegaMan 8- that game was beautiful as well...

laser beams

I'm kind of annoyed that I was drawn into this article by my interest in MM9, only to find out it was about the papercraft controller, and not really anything new about the game... like we had to be subjected to the same marketing ploy you did: (you want mega man 9...? check out our controller!)

I understand kotaku has been putting more of the actual news after the jump so they can better track what articles are of interest to readers, but they usually state what the actual article is about before the jump. Which I find useful so I can decide if its something I want to spend time reading or not... But this one had a pic of MM9, didnt tell me what it was about straight up, which was okay... But I read the whole thing and not only does it not give any new info on the game, but it didn't actually give any impressions of the controller, which was what the story was actually supposed to be about..!

I'm all for humor (after all its one of kotaku's many virtues), and don't mean to sound like a humbug.. but I felt a little cheated by this article. Yes, it's probably not the number one thing you wanna report about, and you want to inject some fun into the article, get some hits on the article, but not at the expense of substance...

I also have to say that I really didnt get much out of any PAX reporting, which may be simply that there wasnt much to report, or that I'm getting a little fatigued with reading about games... but there is something to be said about being straightforward and succinct... which I myself am not good at.. but I read most everything Crecente posts, in full or if not I am able to get an idea of what an article is about pretty quick so I can continue reading or move on.

Anyway, just my two cents.

drivebyinsult

I'm practically terrified of just ONE gril(l)...

InvaderGirJr

*sniff* But I like the SNES controller... Of course, I don't have a Wii right now, so it doesn't matter to me.

AllegraStreit