Tried the beta.

My god I can't believe they think this pile of shit is ready for release....

But then again, this is PC gaming, so I suppose it's not all that surprising.

sixonedoesitall

@goddessakasha: Same here - I preordered from Amazon the first I heard about the CE. I'm a sucker for Warhammer figures and in-game items.

For those not in the closed beta - the PvE is better than WoW was at launch and on par with what WoW is now. PvP is much better than WoW at launch and (I think) better than WoW right now.

The only tripup is that there's very little endgame PvE. Most of the endgame is RvR based, with both sides fighting for control over three paired Destruction/Order zones and two major cities. Once one side has dominated the other's city in RvR, that unlocks the final PvE encounters against the ruling class of those cities. And in a warband of 20ish, the endgame kings drop more than a dozen items of loot, so odds are you're not going home empty handed.

baberg

@Seventh: its too late. of coarse i do not lag on crap like that i preordered two as soon as it was announced.

DarkTravesty

It's probably too late =\

Arelan

Anyone know where to snag a CE of this? Is it too late? Will stores have them so I can line up like an idiot up front?

Seventh

@Neer'mo: You're Neer'mo, Lord of all beta testers!

SilentSeraphin

The open beta is amazing. I think the head start will be well worth it.

Chaos_Bringer

I pre-ordered the CE way back in March!!!

Can't wait to get started and try to get passed the rush!!

goddessakasha

Sadly, my local EB Games had no preorder codes left, so I won't be in on this.

...Remind me why I shop there again?

Musai

They dont seem to want to allow me into open beta. For shame, have they no idea who I am?!

Neer'mo

@Laho: I wouldn't worry about it, I think even I could make a less buggier game than AOC.

Thunder-1

It's more like paying extra money to finish the soon to be quite flooded zones so you can avoid the unnecessary lag.

Spoony

Yay Warhammer Online! Please don't disappoint like AoC did... At least keep me entertained till WotLK!

Laho

I think it won't be playable by 50% of the buyers in the first week in europe. GOA will be totaly crushed a week. 30hrs now and many still haven't gotten their activation key. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand it's a open beta now? Shouldn't it be gold test? XD

Schabrak

and if it turned out very good with many players liking it would that mean you were wrong or that these players liking the finished game are just dumb.

Tull

@Tull:

The combat and controls blow.

I could delve into the other massive issues it has, but it's really unnecessary.

sixonedoesitall

@Malkiyyah:

It will save you 50$ if you listen to me.

it's your loss if you don't.

sixonedoesitall

@sixonedoesitall: Well then you can feel smug for lording it over those who regret buying it though Im going to guess you're preaching to the wrong choir now. I've played the beta in both closed and guild and despite the bugs I thought the game kept my interest more than the final release of WoW. There's little grinding and even the PvP fights doesn't become frustrating since there's enough players to play against and team up with.

If I see any headaches upon release its how people in guilds may end up going through a rough learning process in using guild abilities and such.

Tull

@sixonedoesitall:
After reading your second comment, I'll add some more here. If you don't like it, hey, that's cool. For telling "us" that we're stupid if we don't listen to you? Yeah, that makes you real classy.

Malkiyyah

@sixonedoesitall:
Um, I'm not really sure which MMO betas you've tried, but I wish I'd been on them. This is easily the cleanest MMO beta I've been on, next to WoW. MMO betas are notoriously bad, and to see one that's playable made me smile.
Let me be clear here: there are still problems in the game. Pet pathing is awful, there's graphic and audio corruption (and there always will be, just like in any MMO), some Tome unlocks aren't finished/aren't firing off at the right time, etc. But the BASE of the game is very, very solid, and that's a rare thing with MMOs.

Malkiyyah

@baberg: ehh there is a good amount of end game pve at least as much if not more then WoW had at launch.

taftsearlobe33

Those still looking to find the CE they should try Best Buy. They have the pre-order cases for the CE with all the codes inside minus the game. I'm assuming those who get the codes can download the game from Mythic and use the codes from the preorder with the CE box arriving a few days later with all the other goodies.

Tull

@Domasai:

Trust me. I played in the WOW beta and it was fucking incredible despite tons and tons of bugs.

Warhammer is a crappy game, not a buggy game.

It's sad to see such a great IP getting fucked over, especially considering how good the RTS was.

If you buy Warhammer Online, you will be sorry, and you'll feel like an idiot for ignoring my warning.

sixonedoesitall

@sixonedoesitall: The mishmash combat system and shoveled-on zone design aren't problems that a beta can fix.

bakakensai

@sixonedoesitall: You are either certifiably insane, have a massive misunderstanding how how betas function, or really would prefer WAR not succeed. For a beta, this is one helluva a content-heavy game. Yes, there are bugs. That's what Beta is for. To find them and get rid of them as efficiently as possible.

@baberg: Considering WAR's PvP system is at least twice as good as WoW's, I find it funny to say that you (think) it's better.

"The only tripup is that there's very little endgame PvE."

That's not what I've heard from elder testers, but I guess it's relative to the person.

Domasai

@Seventh: CE's were sold out by May.

VatoLoko

@baberg: HA! I pre-ordered from Amazon too! I got next-day shipping but Amazon doesn't look like it's sending the CE's out until late September. BLAH!

I was about to cancel, but found out that CE's are sold out everywhere.

goddessakasha

I want playable Skaven, otherwise I'm not very interested in the game.

Deruji

@skwca:

Idiots like you who buy games without checking reviews first are the reason so many crappy games get made.

I guess that means I can officially thank you for The state of the industry.

sixonedoesitall

@Kazzahdrane:

they're sluggish and unresponsive.

sixonedoesitall

There's really no point in saying "it rocks" or "it sucks". The very fact that multiple MMO's exist is proof of the principle that there is no 'perfect formula' for a game. Different people like different things. So, instead of whining that it's just crap, why not talk about the elements of it you didn't like? Were the controls counter-intuitive? Did the combat feel sluggish? How was the player interaction? How did the GUI work?

In this day and age of so many online games, broad generalizations don't do anyone any good. Discuss the elements, so that people can make informed decisions.

Doomaflatchi

Meh, I don't think Warhammer will do all that well right off the bat. Unless it has the capability to put up butt-loads of servers quickly to meet demand if it's there.

WoW had the luxary of being able to meet capacity slowly, because there wasn't a groundbreaking game like it since EQ (and tbh, EQ wasn't all that enjoyable to me at all). Thus, it could sit on it's hands until after the first year when the fun quality finally met expectation.

Warhammer on the other hand MUST start fast, and must be able to meet demand immediately, or risk losing players back to WoW when WotLK comes out or even AoC.

Warhammer to me is a unique WoW clone, in that it could be better then WoW. And if I recall, WoW originally was a EQ-clone. If Mythic can do this right, they can at least get a good carve of the MMO pie if they can prove that Warhammer can be as fun or funner then WoW.

Though, I do worry about Warhammer lore - because most gamers who play MMO's do not know any Warhammer lore, compared to Warcraft lore which was born out of a popular RTS. People care about lore - it's what seperates WoW from every other MMO out there.

Besides, most players don't get into a game immediately. They wait until reviews, then the trials come out.

AnimeGamer

@sixonedoesitall: Emmmm...pardon? I mean, I'm in the beta and have decided I probably won't keep my order for the full game as I don't have the time to devote to an MMORPG right now. But...wha??

I don't understand how you can claim "the[...]controls blow". They are almost exactly the same as WoW. Loads of little WoW shortcuts (movement-wise) are in the game too, it took me about 10 seconds to know all the controls. Fair enough if you hate them, but you were saying WoW was better in an earlier post so that doesn't make sense to me.

And the combat seems fine to me, it's like a mix of WoW and Guild Wars. The UI's a bit too busy though, there are far too many progress bars for my liking. Should have hidden them away on status screens or something.

Kazzahdrane

@sixonedoesitall: There always seems to be at least one person like you in every forum for every mmo. Im excited for the game, i will buy the game and then form my own opinions. PPl said AOC was bad, i still bought it played for 4 months to give it a chance and IMO i didnt like it but im not going to go cry about ohh why did i spend money on this game. The game did exactly what it should have done, had me playing for x amount of time for x amount of money and even though i ended up not liking it i still enjoyed the experience.

so please go sell crazy some place else.

thanks

skwca

@sixonedoesitall: Johnny_Under got his answer.

slimky

@sixonedoesitall: Again, no problems here.

Then again, I have a decent mouse and don't have Parkinson's Disease.

Johnny_Under

WAR is going to be amazing. Hands down.

Ken Hikari

@Johnny_Under:

there's no way to customize look sensitivity or mouse sensitivity in the user interface.

Did you notice that?

sixonedoesitall

I can say two things. It sucks! It rocks! Now that I have gotten that out of the way. It is similar to WoW yet slightly upgraded. So it could almost be WoW 2.0

Take that as you will. I am not canceling my CE pre-order and I have been in the beta since F&F. :P

I suggest everyone forms their own opinion. Wether it be the yay Warhammer! forum troll or the boo Warhammer! forum troll.

Turael

@sixonedoesitall: That's strange, I'm playing the open beta right now and don't notice any problems with control response at all.

Have you checked your chair-to-keyboard interface? that might be the problem.

Johnny_Under

I've finally managed to get my butt into the EU open beta, and can happily confirm that in my own humble opinion at least, Warhammer's a good solid game with a lot to offer. (Although it is almost exactly the same as WoW in about 90% of it's execution, the little extras they've added are pure gold.)

After seeing the way GOA have been handling things in our part of the world, though, and especially their attitude towards communicating with their customers, I've cancelled my pre-order of the Collector's Edition and won't be touching this one for a good long while.

I'd recommend it without reservation to any Stateside gamers who have had enough of WoW for now and fancy a fresh start in a new environment.

SunScramble

@Deruji: Man, that would rock soooo hard.

Malkiyyah

@sixonedoesitall: I've been playing it for a while now, and yes, I disagree with you.

Malkiyyah

@sixonedoesitall: sorry im not a drone who follows others opinions on games. Maybe o should follow what metacritic says oh wait they gave AOC 80 and yet its wasnt my cup of tea. hmmmm and they are the profesionals.

skwca

@sixonedoesitall: You mean in the WAR BETA. If it follows the norm of betas the final client will be alot more polished then the beta client most are using atm. So theres no way for you to know if it'll have that. Unless you have some kind of time machine.

Detre

Games been pretty fun so far. No problems with the controls. My only major problem so far is that the game is a memory hog.

Detre

@Johnny_Under:

If you'd like to have a game of counterstrike:source, i'd gladly hand you your ass right now.

Like all pussies, when you can't respond to my question, you change the subject.

There is no way to customize camera settings, look sensitivity, or mouse sensitivity in WAR.

sixonedoesitall

@sixonedoesitall: or we could be playing the beta now and be having tons of fun. As for the controls that defently seems to be something on your end. I have never had to adjust my mouse settings for any game. Perhaps you should look into buying a new computer since your current one can't handle Warhammer online.

taftsearlobe33

@Johnny_Under:

Yes it will.

sixonedoesitall

@sixonedoesitall: Actually, it won't. For those games that have software mouse controls, odds are that your mouse will remain unaffected. Meaning that you can still pwn n00b ass in CS:S AND suck horribly at WAR.

Johnny_Under

This game rocks!!! I've been playing the beta non-stop since the preview weekend. I can't wait for the 14th!

adminssuck

I'm hoping blizz will "pick up" a few of the WAR ideas. Mainly the public quests and experience through PVP. That being said if WAR turns out to be a better overall game, I won't be going back for WotLK. Time will tell.

will52

@Johnny_Under:

you really are an idiot.

If i change my windows settings, that means it'g going to change my settings for every single game I play.

Do you really expect anyone to want to change their mouse sensitivity settings via windows every time they want to play a different game?

Jesus Christ man, back to reality.

sixonedoesitall

I'm in the beta as a White Lion...it's kinda cool, but you're nothing more than a gloried hunter with a cat. Like with LOTRO, it's hard to say, ...this is better than WoW, or that is...since the frigging game seems like nothing more than WoW wrapped in another covering art. I basically started up the game, and needed ZERO learning curve, as it was nearlly identical to WoW, imho. I've seen nothing to make me stop my addiction to WoW at this point, but I've only started off with my character.

Here's my thing, I KNOW WoW...all the lore, all the mechanisms, so to use a boxing analogy...you've gotta BEAT the champ...no referees giving you a win...Nothing has been able to beat Wow, and WAR isn't it...look more like LOTRO imho. I didn't even try AOC...sorry, but I had serious work to do in Wow.

hiruu

@sixonedoesitall: Oho, an internet tough guy. I'm shaking in my eBoots, I assure you. Please, show me how big of a man you are with your elite mouse-looking skills.

Since you seem to be the only person who is having trouble with mouse sensitivity in WAR, allow me to offer you some advice: Start -> Control Panel -> Mouse. Have a wonderful day.

Johnny_Under

@sixonedoesitall: oh and what kind of mouse do you have? If you enjoy playing games on the computer you should probably have a G15

taftsearlobe33

@sixonedoesitall: don't know what to tell you maybe you have a virus or something I can play it on my old laptop which only has a 7600 in it and 2 gigs and my desktop and I have no trouble with the responsiveness. So again must be on your end.

taftsearlobe33

@taftsearlobe33:

? 8800 gtx, e6600 2.4, 3 gigs ddr2 800 ?

sixonedoesitall

Speaking as someone who could never get into WoW no matter how hard she tried during her free trial period, I have to say the WARHammer preview weekend and open beta has gotten me a little hooked.

I've found the gameplay enjoyable and for the most part I get the game. Its more user-friendly than WoW and I've already managed to get a level 10 character. I'm only now getting into the RvR and the PvP aspects ( its more my boyfriend's thing ), but so far so good.

I think our limited edition copies and head starts will not go to waste. I'm looking forward to being able to start 4 days earlier than other people. D:

risingfalls

That sucks. :( I ordered the special edition then had to cancel it cause Best buy sucks and wouldn't send me my bonus codes or Beta access code. then I went to pre order it again from EA and it was sold out.

Tilimorf

@sixonedoesitall:

No one cares about you.

Go troll another game.

Musai

@taftsearlobe33: Runs at 60fps on my Pc at max settings... I have no idea what you're talking about.

sixonedoesitall

@taftsearlobe33:

Deathadder... the G15 was good, but it's just another paperweight to me now.

sixonedoesitall

Apparently there've been some significant problems with the (North American) EA Store beta passes as well, with customer support staff from Mythic and EA referring frustrated, beta key-less preorder customers back and forth between the respective companies. I can attest to this because I was one of them, and the guy who finally escalated and resolved the issue described it as an "ongoing and apparently never-ending headache" for him.

Not terribly encouraging, but I'm still going to give the game a chance once the client is done DLing.

Calhoun

@Musai: I agree, what a complete moron.

I'll be there on the 14th, looking forward to it :)

Neurogasm

@belo:
Basically my impression with it is that its very much like DAoC (being built on a upgraded version of DAoCs engine will do that).

So if you liked DAoC you'll prolly like WAR.

Also reminds me more of LotR Online than it does of WoW.

belo

I'm like my beta play in Warhammer ALOT MORE than AoC.

belo

@sixonedoesitall:

Stop trying to force your opinion onto others, you sound like a pro-life rally assclown.

JCVD

EQ was an MMO that borrowed heavily from DnD, MUDs and Ultima online.

Dark Age of Camelot was just another MMO based off the EQ model, except it excelled at group vs group PvP (for many people) and was PvE light for some time.

WoW was just another MMO based of the EQ model that excelled with it's ease of use, brand awareness/developer and streamlined PvE experience coupled with terrible and horrendous tacked on PvP mechanic.

Warhammer Online is just another MMO based off the EQ model that excels with it's presentation and PvP mechanics.

Each MMO takes the good from the previous gen (ZOMG WOW used a hotbar, they suck and stole it from EQ!111). Hell Mythic all but did away with health/mana regen compared to EQ/AO/AC which WoW improved upon.

WoW is starbucks/mcdonalds.
WAR is a mom and pop (EA be damned).

I've been in closed beta for as long as I can remember, Elder beta, PW, Open Beta, CE ordered in may and my headstart can't come soon enough. The PvP is just that good for ME.

SinisterUrge13

Been playin open beta for a few days now.

One thing that strikes me is how underwhelming the graphics are. For something that came out 4 years after the fact, the graphics seem pretty rough around the edges(I have the graphics cranked to the max) And the water looks horrendously awful...I actually lol'd when I saw it.

That said, The PVP is seamless and much more smoothly integrated into the narrative of the gameworld. The Dark aspect of the setting will be much more appealing to some than the cartoony feel of WoW.

Of course, this is beta, so I'm sure some things will change, but I can't imagine how much different 2 weeks will make in the builds of the game engine.

Cpt_Bongwater

@Cpt_Bongwater: You realize the beta comes with the graphics at its lowest possible options? You have to actually goto your GFX card settings prior to launching the game and turn up the settings (like turning AA on for instance). I assure you it looks significantly better.

That being said the game does indeed need more polish to it, Im pleading for a WoW alternative sooner than Diablo 3.

SupaPhat

@Musai: Best Buy is drowning in them. Just don't let Ben Popkin see me telling you that.

The_Atomic_Pod

it's fun, buggy (no surprise there)but fun. You'll feel like your playing WoW 1.8, just different enough not to be the same game.
So far i've enjoyed playing as a dwarf engineer and a bright wizard the most. Havn't really tried any of the chaos side of things yet. Played the first few levels of a zergling(?) trainer, seemed really pokey and i was bored with the character by level 4. The White Lions are pretty cool, simply because you have a pet, but it was by far the buggiest class I played.
Bought it direct to drive, took almost 7 hours to download..
So far so good.

brodie123

@taftsearlobe33: Isn't the G15 a keyboard?

tyranimo

Like others have stated. I think it'll be a nice distraction till WotLK and only that. I'd be very happy and surprised if I was wrong.

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