@Elemence: Same as I, I think i had the game disc in for a total of 15 minutes, god awful.

Pornosaur

Really liking this year's version of Madden, only played the 360 version, but it runs silky smooth.

Pornosaur

Wii Play only sells because of the extra Wii Remote...at least that's why I bought it...as well as my 6 other friends...

Elemence

@Caduceus: Maybe it's just me, but I hate developers/companies/etc that say, "Oh it's the first of a trilogy." Not only do they assume their game is good, but then I know for a fact they'll keep only a third of the content in the first game. After all, if you want the sequels to be interesting you have to have something new. Why waste all your ideas in the first game when you have two more on the way? Ugh, focus on making the first game great before you start worrying about the next one.

Rasz-42

I wish the list went beyond the top 10

Firemane

@loserguy: I would supose that this is also a marketing problem. Mostly because EA marketed all their sports game on the wii as "All Play" this year, making it seem that it was a dumbed down game when All play was just another mode on the same game that is on the other consoles.

It also seems likely that the fact that the game is suposedly (i don't have any madden) pretty good on the other consoles and has great graphics would make them the better version.

Falsoman

Id like to see another Too human. The game was just plagued by a long development cycle, switching of platforms, engines, pressure to finally get it out the door, etc...I think the sequel would be much more polished.

Either way those arent bad sales numbers.

CCCombobreaker

@Morpork: '05 was epic, my 360 RRoD'd a couple weeks ago so my friend and I were playing the original today, and we had a game of it. It was absolutely great, some of the best gaming I've had in a long time.

Mister Adequate

wow, the ps2 still refuses to die. Sadly the only big name titles it still gets are Atlus RPGs :P

Cheezsama

This is the second year in a row I haven't bothered to buy the new Madden yet I still play Madden 05 every week. After a while it gets old, but if i get a need for some football, I can just pop in an old copy. Hell, I started up NFL 2k on Dreamcast for the anniversary.

Buttah

@loserguy: I think your mention of "waggle-platform" actually answers your own question. All the people who were into 'serious' sports games almost assuredly have one of the other (360, PS3, or at the very least PS2) consoles already, and given the fact that the Wii has lower grade graphics and, perhaps more importantly, highly questionable controls, the real question is whether this could be considered a surprise at all?

There are a lot of things for which people would choose controller over wagglestick any day.

I Think We're Property

After the "love it or hate it" reviews of Too Human, I would assume 50-70% of first month sales wouldn't be surprising. Do they have a target to make a sequel viable?

Congrats EA on improving on a formula and moving units!

Caduceus

@LittleBigPlaneteer: You mean the 100k that bought Too Human? ;)

@Strangelove: Joke.

@Boozerz: I'm an American football fan, but I won't be buying this game. I rented it for a week and really couldn't get into it. I think 05 was the best version. I said "suckers" jokingly, but also a bit truthfully as I really think it's not much different to 08.

On a side note, I'd like to see monthly updates to team and player attributes. For example Bears are scored as 80(?) overall, but they didn't play like an 80 against the Colts.

Morpork

how much did SCIV for PS3 sold?

Alex_Mexico

@loserguy:

It's true. They worked hard on that Wii version too and did their best to get it to appeal to the casual crowd. If this continues, it just means EA is going to dumb it down even further.

Hell, they might not even make a full fled-ged football game one day. I wouldn't be surprised if they made one big compilation title, sort of like Wii Sports with Football, Soccer, and whatever else on it. That would sell pretty well.

LittleBigPlaneteer

@loserguy: I can accept what you are saying. It is a very disturbing number. Madden sales on Xbox is nearly 10:1 ... Even the PS3 is nearly 6:1 (with less than half the install base of either)

Kinda leads the thought process to: "While the console might be popular, and Nintendo's software is definitely popular, people just aren't buying 3rd party software for it."

Aex

@Aex: Btw, I was referring to Madden 09 software sales.

Aex

I find these low Wii Madden numbers disturbing. You can't fault EA for doing their best to create a truly unique experience on the platform, but given the popularity of the console (in sheer numbers) that it even outsold the Xbox 360 outright here in the US, EA can't be pleased with this.

Not a fanboy here (check my history), but its become increasingly apparent that a schism is forming between Wii users and your standard, core gamer. Although I'd like to comment that I've always put the Madden phenom in its own 'third tier' of gaming (always attracted just about everyone), its total rejection year after year on Nintendo's waggle-platform isn't a good sign.

Just saying...

loserguy

Also can anyone check if those two Canadian towns are on fire right now?

Korey

Wow, I guess the PS3 is catching up. Xbox only outsold it by about 50% this time ( 1.5 to 1). American Xbox 360 consoles outnumber American PS3 consoles by at least 2 to 1.

That has gotta be good news for Sony. Shows that they are in strong competition.

Aex

@Korey:

Microsoft is funding the triology. They're not going to can it, trust me. If if the first was a failure they're going to make sure the second is bigger and better, and they'll market the crap out of it when it's released on Xbox 1440 in 2018.

LittleBigPlaneteer

Almost a million downloads and only 168k sales. I guess dyack is going to get on some blog and yell about how no one gets his game except for him.

snakepliskin

Anyone know if 168,200 copies sold is enough to justify a trilogy?

Korey

@Morpork:

What about the other 100K? :P

Anyways good numbers for Madden. The game gets a lot of hate, but they're far from terrible. I'm glad to see Too Human still make the Top 10, perhaps based on the hype of the game and some heavy marketing.

LittleBigPlaneteer

@Morpork: Suckers? Should those football fans have bought Wii fit instead?

Boozerz

I figure if Too Human can move about half a million, they should be able to slip out a sequel, but we're going to have to wait till next month to see the drop off.

drifter13

2.2 million, suckers!

Bandicoot

@Morpork:

I think just the one ...

Strangelove

2.2 million suckers.

Morpork

The fact that they still classify Wii Play as a game and not as hardware by now is pretty weird... I mean, you get a Wiimote and a paperweight that does not hold down paper very well. What's the point?

AuraHACK

It is ridiculous that Wii Play is even considered software. It is basically a demo disc that is included with a Wii-mote. NOBODY buys it for the software itself. That would be proven if it did not include a Wii-mote with it. What a joke!

mirage

@Rasz-42: True. You'd think if the developers put all their effort into the first game, they wouldn't get as much flak if they only minutely improved the sequel. Besides, if you're touting yourself to be a ridiculously creative developer, shouldn't you be able to make the first game everything you want it to be and be creative enough to come up with neat ideas for the sequel? :/

AuraHACK

madden 09 is for real, so haters can jump off. i got the PS3 version and can say i am happy with it.

damn Wii just won't quit..lol i love the thing and all(wii owner), but damn... people are still catching up on MK Wii? and Wii Play? that is quite puzzling.

and damn, TH hasn't even reached the 500,00 mark? thats crazy when u think of the 360 install base. I think that after the juggernaut console moving Gears comes though, TH sales will become an afterthought for sure.

zanzibarlegend

@Morpork: Agreed

MurlocCake

Wow, there's actually enough room on Peter Moore's forehead to tattoo the Zardoz-like melon face of Madden himself!

Cultmember

@jackinthexbox: You speak the absolute truth sir. I try not to get as upset as you though.

The bigger the lie, the more they believe!

@jun581; oops...I mean "play me or zanzibarlegend"...my bad.

Jun581 won't give you tree fiddy!!

@jackinthexbox: it's not garbage. Play me or jackinthexbox and you won't be scoring that much. There's a lot of strategy that goes into it. You try to stop their offense and look for exploits in the defense. Plus they made it more real by forcing you to be quaterback. Now, I don't have much time in the pocket -unless I'm Peyton Manning (bastard O-line is ridiculous)- and I have to read the defense much quicker.

Trust me, I was on that FUCK EA bandwagon (it was justified...trust me), especially after they bought the license, considering 2K5 was a thing of beauty; but this is actually good.

Jun581 won't give you tree fiddy!!

@zanzibarlegend: yep Best madden in years (PS3 version). Not bad on the PS3 considering the install base relative to the 360. I think EA achieving parity contributes to that. I remember last year version....the ps3 version did very poor. I think that was due to the 30fps/60fps debacle that plagued EA forums.

Too Human...damn.
Guess it shows that just because you have a million downloads of the demo; it doesn't necessarily equate to great sales. I think DD might have had a hand on that one. Hopefully, he'll start on Eternal Darkness 2.

Jun581 won't give you tree fiddy!!

@zanzibarlegend:

Madden 09 is garbage. Nothing at all exciting. No drama. No emotion. No atmosphere. No refs. No chain gang. No realistic injury animation. Just pick a play and watch the robot players over and over and over again. Nothing ever changes. You score, then I score, then you score, then i score, until the time runs out. Hell, you don't even recognize the coaches anymore. You hardly ever see them. EA sports pissed in your faces again. $60 wasted on a repetitively BORING caricature of football. Oh how I miss 2k sports making me feel like everything mattered when i played. The drama. The coaches getting angry on the sideline. The QB's throwing their helmets into the turf when they threw an interception. The emotion on the sideline in reaction to what was going on in the game. I miss the fun of video football. This is another poorly animated DEAD football game. Fuck Peter Moore. Fuck EA sports.

I'm jackinthexbox and I approve this message.

jackinthexbox

08. Too Human (Xbox 360) - 168,200

Me and some other guy called 150K to 200K a few weeks back, so yay for some other guy and me :P

spacecoffin2

@Morpork:

Madden 05 was the best version ever, great gameplay, the next-gen Maddens just aren't the same. But 09 for PS3 is on par with the 360 and it's a solid game.

foxhound417

@jackinthexbox: knucklehead?!!? fine if you don't like the game, you don't like the game. I merely was presenting a view of Madden 09 relative to the previous iterations; especially from 05-08. But damn homie, do you have your panties so far up your ass to take offense to what I wrote. Well..okay, whatever floats your boat. I ain't mad at you. ^_^

Jun581 won't give you tree fiddy!!

I was directing my comments at Jun581

jackinthexbox

Are you listening Knucklehead? Obviously, I played the game already! It is NOT FUN. Strategy has always been what football was about. THIS IS NOT FUN, IT IS BORING TO PLAY AS WELL AS JUST TO WATCH. I used to enjoy just watching others play 2K5. MADDEN 09 has not changed anything over the previous versions to add any excitement to playing it. IT AIN'T IN THE GAME!

jackinthexbox

@mirage: I am totally with you. It's funny how Nintendo spins it so that it sounds like people are buying it for the game lol.

nitromic

@Alex_Mexico: I'm not sure, but if people have both consoles they should get if for the PS3 cause Yoda is one cheap mother fucker.

nitromic

I don't know if this is something we should be proud of seeing as though Madden is the only licensed football game thanks to EA. Most gamers know that 2KSports had taken a large part of EA's football market and was on the edge of knocking them out of the running as number 1. (Anyone remember when 2K sold their game for $29.99 and EA was quick to drop Madden to $39.99. This was never done in the history of Madden) 2K caused EA execs to pull the wild card, C-A-S-H, and buy their way to the top.

PhilESkyline

@ JUN581 wont give

Man, I'm am sorry for being disrespectful to you. I HATE Madden. This is a slap in the face to what could have been created in this generation of games. They have the ESPN license to go crazy with a simulated ESPN football presentation, with a full motion video Chris Berman, the whole gang. They have absolutely NO imagination whatsoever. It's like the EA sports team doesn't even watch football on Sunday. There is no one at EA sports with any kind of original ideas at all. And every year they charge $60 dollars for this lame ass, uninspired crap. I say bring back FMV in HD for pregame/halftime show presentation. Thats what bluray was made for!
Do SOMETHING to create excitement! Thats where 2K shined back in the day. They polished their shit with the little things that made you say "wow, I never saw that scene/animation before in the last 2 games I played". There is no "WOW" in madden. The QB looks like he shit his pants when he takes a step back to throw. Robotic looking shit. No fluidity. No women in the stadiums at all. no cutaways to anything resembling real fans at a game. Generic shit. You guys like paying for this kind of shit every year for another $60 dollars of your money in loyalty to Madden . I couldn't care if there was never another football game from EA sports ever. I'd still take 2k5 over this waste of a bluray disc. I would love for that guy who made METAL GEAR SOLID to make a MADDEN game before EA Sports ever attempted another one. Now THAT guy loves to make some engrossing games!

jackinthexbox

@loserguy: Well non-hardcore gamers (i.e. Wii owners) are less likely to pick up new games on release date. The initial sales for the Wii Madden may be low, but they will probably stay at that level for a while. Meanwhile, the 360 and PS3 versions will drastically drop off in sales.

Keen314

Too Human continues the long SK tradition of games not selling big. But considering it had almost NO mainstream marketing whatsoever (not even a TV commercial, folks), I guess these numbers should be expected.

But ... I'm shockingly addicted to the game and can't stop playing it. Me and my cousin just recently started playing co-op for the first time and hit level 50 together and are now searching for Elite sets. And he just now realized about the Charm quests (the manual and even in game stuff is horrible in explaining the complexities of the game). People are missing out on this one and it honestly deserves better sales despite its flaws.

DARTH_TIGRIS

@jackinthexbox:

You know, I thought for a while that Madden 09 was decently fun, until I played the AI instead of my little brother. Suddenly, everything you're saying makes sense. With all the insane graphical power, dolby digital sound, and 60 some-odd gigabytes available to them on the disc, there could be SO MUCH going on that just isn't.

When I play Blitz: The League (not even supposed to be a "real" football game), injuries involve slow motion, an x-ray view of the damaged area, and a full diagnosis of what's wrong and how long I'll be dealing with it. In madden, sometimes I don't even see that anyone got injured until I look on the field and see a second string dude in the place of one of my all-star players.

Where's the slow motion upon fumbling, zooming into uneasy hands as the ball flies out in that second? Innovative POV's like the helmet cam from 2K? Where's the trash talking, the actual human-like emotion from the on screen players? How come I can't decide to deal with the penalty and just take out my anger by leveling someone well after the play is over?

I can picture so many possibilities in this generation. Even being able to zoom into the perspective of a wide receiver after selecting him, using a stick to turn his head towards an airborne ball and really "making" the catch would be just one of many possible things available to developers and to players if EA actually had a love for electronic gaming as a medium, and saw beauty, authenticity, emotion, and immersion in their series' future, as opposed to dollar signs. jackinthebox, you have opened my eyes.

Itami

@Cheezsama - Every wonder if PS2 somehow cuts into PS3 sales figures?

While Microsoft took the top slot, it's interesting to see that 5 out of the 10 are a nintendo product.

fatfoogoo

I, for one, don't give a crap about video game sports. It's a lot more fun to actually play them.

LasPlagas

@LasPlagas:

A co-worker of mine said the same thing. I told him Madden 09 was out and he said if I want to play football I'll go outside lol.

PhilESkyline

@snakepliskin: Back on PS2 days $400k copies sold were considered a "hit". But with development costs sky rising, I don't know what the cut off would be for this-gen games. If Konami and MGS4 are any indication, that number could very well be around 1 million (for AAA games).

gencid

as usual: FUCK EA.

Xtreme_Hindu_Cow

@loserguy: "I find these low Wii Madden numbers disturbing..."

I don't get it. Madden has always been the game for casual and core gamers. I'm amazed that it just can't move that much Wii software. Maybe EA should have released 50k to have a shortage than the Wii market would be all over it, because sometimes I believe that the shortage game is the real game Wii owners like playing.

iamspoo