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MK Vs. DC Character List Outed By Achievements
Posted by Mike Fahey at 12:20 AM on September 12, 2008
Up until now Midway has been revealing new characters in their upcoming unholy union, Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe, in a rather dramatic fashion. Flashing pictures on the screen after a press conference in Germany, in front of a room full of comic book fans at Comic Con, or through the old standard, magazine exclusives. How sad is it then that the entire 22 character roster should then be revealed by a list of Xbox 360 achievements? Xbox360Achievements.Org has just posted such a list, which includes 22 character-specific achievements, such as Shazam Expert: Complete Shazam's expert combos.
So who's on the full roster? Saving that for after the jump, just in case anyone wishes to be surprised. Surely some of you would like to preserve the dramatic tension? No? Okay, here we go...
Baraka
Batman
Catwoman
Darkseid
Deathstroke
Flash
Green Lantern
Jax
Joker
Kano
Kitana
Lex Luthor
Liu Kang
Raiden
Scorpion
Shang Tsung
Shao Khan
Shazam
Sonya
Sub Zero
Superman
Wonderwoman
No really big surprises here, aside from maybe the glaring omission of Johnny Cage, though creator Ed Boon did mention at Comic Con that DC Comic's Jimmy Palmiotti would be a hidden character with a rather cagey-looking character model, so don't rule out Goro's sack-smasher just yet.
Despite Xbox360Achievements.Org's excellent track record, we're going paint this list with the rumour tag for now. We've contacted Midway for comment, and will update the post accordingly once we hear back.
Mortal Kombat vs. DC Universe Achievements [Xbox360Achievements.Org]
Confirmed: Dan for Xbox360Achievements.org offers this link as proof.

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eastx
Posted 1:01 AM 12/9/08
@twinturbo2: I don't think those games contain Johnny Cage either.
eastx
0bsessions
Posted 12:59 AM 12/9/08
@Blah8: Actually, there's been multiple Captain Marvels in Marvel. The original being Mar-Vell, a Kree superhero who came to Earth and adopted the name Captain Marvel (He showed up about five years before DC bought the rights for the original Captain Marvel). Second was a woman on the Avengers. There have also been two additional Captain Marvels who were both descendants of the original (One male, one female).
In order for Marvel to keep the copyright on Captain Marvel going, they have to use the name on a periodic basis. They can't just keep DC from using the title without actually using the character name themselves.
0bsessions
Omnimon
Posted 12:58 AM 12/9/08
@Mike Fahey: Getting old, Fahey... getting old. *ducks*
Omnimon
dkrefft
Posted 12:58 AM 12/9/08
Darkseid is a fantastic choice, extremely evil and deadly powerful...but why no Doomsday?!?! The dude killed Superman, at least make him an unplayable end boss or something like they used to do, that'd be cool, then sell him to us as DLC.
Looks BETTER with this list, but I still need convincing.
dkrefft
Cakey4242564
Posted 12:58 AM 12/9/08
WoW can't believe Deathstroke (Cough Slade) is in here, think i found my character.
Cakey4242564
Jsp343
Posted 12:56 AM 12/9/08
@CDRiccio: Dude, how are they reaching? Cap Marvel is a main stay in the DC universe, Please go read Kingdom Come right now!
Jsp343
RET_Ghost
Posted 12:52 AM 12/9/08
@Blah8: Should I call him Mar-Vell, Marh Vahl, or Protector of the Universe to earn your recognition of him?
RET_Ghost
Blah8
Posted 12:49 AM 12/9/08
@RET_Ghost:
You mean the one that doesn't exist since there's no actual character named "Captain Marvel" in Marvel comics' stable?
Or could you mean the original Captain Marvel before he went to DC?
Blah8
Makidian
Posted 12:48 AM 12/9/08
Doomsday should be on that list, hopefully he is a secret character or something.
Makidian
Mazakona
Posted 12:48 AM 12/9/08
No Mileena? D:
Mazakona
Mike Fahey
Posted 12:47 AM 12/9/08
@JustJake: You...never heard..of Shazam?
*weeps*
Mike Fahey
etchasketchist
Posted 12:46 AM 12/9/08
Baraka!
etchasketchist
armchairnixon
Posted 12:44 AM 12/9/08
Why isn't Space Ghost on that list? He really should be. That'd be so great.
armchairnixon
RET_Ghost
Posted 12:44 AM 12/9/08
@ttocs: I hope that this isn't going into MK lore (then again......I wouldn't be surprised if it did)
RET_Ghost
Agnates
Posted 12:43 AM 12/9/08
@TheTimeisback: Eh, last I checked that's not a fighting game meaning they can use the exact same moves for everyone, maybe a different set for humans or locust, if they happen to wield different weapons or walk differently etc. Hardly what's required for a beat em up unless you want everyone to have the same move set, then they could certainly offer tons and tons more characters... With that said, I haven't like a Mortal Kombat since II but yeah, give credit where credit is due...
Agnates
JustJake
Posted 12:43 AM 12/9/08
I have never heard of Shazam until now. It looks like a mix between Superman and the Flash to me.
I hope they do a demo of this before it comes out. I am really having my doubts of even renting it.
The last MK I enjoyed was MK3.
JustJake
ttocs
Posted 12:42 AM 12/9/08
@exedore:
Isn't he supposed to be dead in MK lore?
ttocs
ttocs
Posted 12:41 AM 12/9/08
Nice find! Can't wait to play as Superman and whoop ever Mortal Kombat character's ass! Oh, and the x-ray vision to see through Sonya's tights...
ttocs
exedore
Posted 12:41 AM 12/9/08
I want Kung Lao, dammit!
exedore
Dimipapa
Posted 12:39 AM 12/9/08
Bah MK games just arent my thing, I liked one and two, especially two. Deadly Alliance was.. ok. I didn't really like the other games. And I really didn't like how limiting the combo system was in deadly alliance, and the fact you could'nt use liu kang. When are fighting game developers gonna learn, we don't care about the damn story, we want to be able to use certain characters for their fighting style! If you must kill them off, then at least give us a clone, like liu kangs apprentice wanted to go get revenge for his master or some shit. Oh and im not hating exclusively on mk for this. Im looking at you too Killer instinct, Tekken and many others. But ehh Tekken and MK are the biggest culprits.
Dimipapa
SBB
Posted 12:38 AM 12/9/08
Captain Marvel and Shazam are two different characters. And Shazam is not really the superhero. Stupid.
SBB
thrashanddestroy
Posted 12:37 AM 12/9/08
@CDRiccio: How so, by including a character who's comic outsold Superman in the 1940's and 50's or maybe a character who's recent reenvisioning has spawned more interest and several comic series in the last year?
Yeah, Captain Marvel isn't a reach, he's one of DC's oldest and most popular characters.
thrashanddestroy
Ira Lazerburg
Posted 12:37 AM 12/9/08
I had no interest in this game whatsoever. That is, however, no longer the case.
Deathstroke vs. Darkseid! Oh my geek-heart can't take any more...
Ira Lazerburg
TheTimeisback
Posted 12:37 AM 12/9/08
@Mommar: No, seeing how games like Gears 2 have 12 for Locust and 12 for COG. Which totals to, 24, so....yeah.
TheTimeisback
peAr nectAr
Posted 12:36 AM 12/9/08
@spiderweb1986: Exactly. Why so few characters? There are enough characters in the Batman universe alone to fill a fighting game, with or without MK characters. What's the deal? Laziness?
peAr nectAr
Mommar
Posted 12:35 AM 12/9/08
@TheTimeisback:
22 isn't a lot to you?
Mommar
Mal-Content
Posted 12:35 AM 12/9/08
Hmm....no Zatanna (Guess Captain Marvel is the "magic character") or Manhunter. Kinda skimpy list, but I still may pick it up.
Mal-Content
CycloReaper
Posted 12:32 AM 12/9/08
no johnny cage= LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME
ill probably still buy it..
BUT IT WILL BE RELUCTANTLY
CycloReaper
DraculaDillenger
Posted 12:31 AM 12/9/08
What about Booster Gold or Martian Manhunter? Lobo?
The unlockable characters better impress.
DraculaDillenger
RET_Ghost
Posted 12:28 AM 12/9/08
@Rebochan: The only Captain Marvel in my book is Marvel's.
RET_Ghost
spiderweb1986
Posted 12:28 AM 12/9/08
So, minus a few characters, like Mileena and Reptile, this is pretty much Mortal Kombat II's character list with DC characters added. Interesting.
spiderweb1986
RadProphet
Posted 12:27 AM 12/9/08
No Nightwing makes me mad!
Bummer, but we'll always have LEGO Batman.
RadProphet
Ashurahori
Posted 12:27 AM 12/9/08
Lex Luthor? Power armor or super-serum?
Ashurahori
Rebochan
Posted 12:26 AM 12/9/08
Shazam? Awwww, come on, you just can't call him "Captain Marvel" in the title...he's still Captain Marvel the rest of the time...
Rebochan
TheGuilty1
Posted 12:26 AM 12/9/08
I hope that's just a rumor....
TheGuilty1
Seroth
Posted 12:25 AM 12/9/08
No Lobo makes me sad. =[
Seroth
CockroachMan
Posted 12:25 AM 12/9/08
No Aquaman? Meh..
Well, at least it has Baraka!
CockroachMan
CDRiccio
Posted 12:25 AM 12/9/08
Shazam... seriously.
Kinda reaching aren't they?
CDRiccio
TheTimeisback
Posted 12:24 AM 12/9/08
Not really a lot of characters there either!
TheTimeisback
twinturbo2
Posted 12:24 AM 12/9/08
No Johnny Cage, no sale. Sorry, Midway, now where's my light gun compilation for the Wii with Area 51, Area 51: Site 4, Maximum Force, and CarnEvil?
twinturbo2
RET_Ghost
Posted 12:22 AM 12/9/08
who's superman?
RET_Ghost
mrplow8
Posted 1:26 AM 12/9/08
I'm happy with that roster. I know that it isn't a lot of characters compared to most recent fighting games, but it's a lot better than the 60+ character cluster fuck that Armageddon had.
And if I'm not mistaken, Street Fighter 4 has less than 20 characters.
@TheTimeisback:
Yeah, but how many of those characters are just modified versions of other characters? Not only that, but SC4 is exactly like SC3. They didn't have to completely remake each character's move set from scratch.
MK Vs. DC has a completely new fighting system. So they kind of had to remake all of the MK character's move sets from scratch. Plus they had to come up with move sets for each of the DC characters.
mrplow8
eastx
Posted 1:25 AM 12/9/08
If we're asking for Doomsday, then Bane would be an excellent addition as well... Definitely needs more Batman villains.
22 main characters is plenty for a fighting game. Anyone complaining that this game isn't Soul Calibur 4 needs to go to the back of the line.
(Plus there may still be pallete swaps, as SC 4 has moveset swaps).
eastx
merebito
Posted 1:22 AM 12/9/08
MK Without Fatalaties is like DC Comics with no super heroes.
Considering MK is the game that caused the ESRB to be created this is a huge step back. Midway is going down the crapper faster than my morning turd and these are the kind of decisions that are exacerbating the issue.
But what the hell do I know right? Damn upper management that as usual can't pull their heads out of their asses.
merebito
JesseX
Posted 1:20 AM 12/9/08
@SBB: Because of a legal dispute with Marvel Comics, DC has to use the name "Shazam" to refer to Captain Marvel on the covers of their comics and on merchandise, so although Shazam is actually the wizard who gave Billy Batson his powers, the name is somewhat interchangeable.
There is also the fact that the wizard Shazam died a while back, with Billy becoming the new wizard (called Marvel) and Freddie Freeman, formerly Captain Marvel Jr., becoming his new champion, Shazam. So, "Shazam" may refer either to the original Captain Marvel (since DC can't use his actual name) or to the revamped Freddie Freeman.
JesseX
TheTimeisback
Posted 1:16 AM 12/9/08
@Agnates: Ok lets get technical then. SCIV has over 33 characters. Plus, user-created content. So yeah its "FUCKING CRIPPLED"!
TheTimeisback
TheTimeisback
Posted 1:14 AM 12/9/08
@Agnates: Ok you want to get technical. SCIV has over 33 characters, in addition to user-created. So yeah 22 is a "FUCKING CRIPPLE".
TheTimeisback
Capp
Posted 1:13 AM 12/9/08
Glad they are bringing back baraka. Happy to see most of the good main characters from the earlier games too.
Wouldn't mind seeing cyrax or sektor and Kung Lao as unlockables though.
Don't care about cage, never really cared for him.
Capp
jayntampa
Posted 1:07 AM 12/9/08
Not a bad list, I would have liked to have seen Powergirl or another female hero on the DC side (wouldn't Zatanna have fit in?).
jayntampa
Tull
Posted 1:49 AM 12/9/08
@jayntampa: They're probably saving Power Girl for the next incarnation of DOA.
Tull
van_line
Posted 1:46 AM 12/9/08
@tralfaz23: I agree, but WB just doesn't know what to do with their comic book properties, so it wouldn't surpise me if they did something this boneheaded.
van_line
tralfaz23
Posted 1:43 AM 12/9/08
@van_line: which would be silly since WB owns the property through HB, why give it to your competition?
tralfaz23
theuglyteradon
Posted 1:39 AM 12/9/08
NO LOBO!? I thought he'd be a shoe in...
theuglyteradon
van_line
Posted 1:39 AM 12/9/08
@armchairnixon:
I read the series, not bad but I think they licensed him from HB, I might be wrong but he could technically be licensed out to Marvel or Boom Studios for the right money.
van_line
Poopfoot1980
Posted 1:38 AM 12/9/08
Solomon Grundy want pants too
Poopfoot1980
armchairnixon
Posted 1:37 AM 12/9/08
@van_line: Actually, he is. DC published a mini-series of comic books using the Space Ghost character. Not the one from Space Ghost Coast To Coast, of course, but the more serious superhero character.
armchairnixon
tralfaz23
Posted 1:36 AM 12/9/08
@eastx: it wouldn't be called MK vs DCU then, it would be MK vs Batman and his rogues
they should have at least the "Big Seven" in the game. And how the hell do you not have Gorilla Grodd, Solomon Grundy or Bizarro.
Hawkman would have been a nice addition... he's Conan with wings!
tralfaz23
twinturbo2
Posted 1:35 AM 12/9/08
@eastx: I know, I'm just pointing out a game on my "hope it gets made" wishlist, alongside Daytona USA 3 and a new Road Rash title...
twinturbo2
van_line
Posted 1:33 AM 12/9/08
@eastx:
I am sure that with the success of Dark Knight the WB has put the Kibosh on using any characters from Batman.
van_line
tralfaz23
Posted 1:32 AM 12/9/08
@Rebochan: Marvelowns the rights to the name Captain Marvel.... also, they don't call him Captain Marvel as much anymore, he's now called Shazam.
tralfaz23
van_line
Posted 1:31 AM 12/9/08
@SBB:
How so, by including a character who's comic outsold Superman in the 1940's and 50's or maybe a character who's recent reenvisioning has spawned more interest and several comic series in the last year?
Yeah, Captain Marvel isn't a reach, he's one of DC's oldest and most popular characters.
____
Captain Marvel isn't really a DC character, DC acquired him in the late 70s/early 80s, I think.
@armchairnixon:
Space Ghost is a Hanna Barbara character, I think WB owns both HB and DC but he isn't a DC character.
___
I really think DC dropped the ball as far as characters go, have the iconic one but why not throw in some off the wall types that might get people to go and check out a comic book.
maybe, Hellblazer, Vixen, Geo-Force, Shade the Changing Man, Animal Man, Deadshot or Ambush Bug?
van_line
vanishing.hero
Posted 1:28 AM 12/9/08
@merebito:
MK Without Fatalaties is like DC Comics with no super heroes.
But what the hell do i know right? Damn upper management that as usual can't pull their heads out of their asses.
there's your fatality.
vanishing.hero
Guitaratomik
Posted 2:13 AM 12/9/08
@van_line:
No. Technically Hanna Barbara (and thus Space Ghost) is owned by Time Warner which owns DC so you're not going to see any SG comics from anyone else. For all intents and purposes he is a DC property.
Guitaratomik
narq
Posted 2:08 AM 12/9/08
I was hoping for a finishing move involving Aquaman and a whale. Instead we get shazam. Wow, thanks. That's an incredibly short list too. Swamp Thing would have been better. How can they include Shao Khan but not Cage? There's no reptile either. This game is going to be a bit lacking in characters. I hope the few they have are designed really well.
narq
mrplow8
Posted 2:04 AM 12/9/08
According to some other sites, there's also an unlockable character named "Dark Kahn" who's a fusion of Darkseid and Shao Kahn.
mrplow8
YotaruVegeta
Posted 2:02 AM 12/9/08
By Shazam, they mean Captain Marvel, right? I guess they still can't use the name Captain Marvel because Marvel has their own character by that name.
YotaruVegeta
TheTimeisback
Posted 2:01 AM 12/9/08
SPACE GHOST IS A TALK SHOW HOST JACKASS!! BorackFTW!!!
TheTimeisback
CheckersMcGavern
Posted 2:00 AM 12/9/08
No Lobo FTL. As if this game couldn't have lost any more than it already has....
CheckersMcGavern
tralfaz23
Posted 1:59 AM 12/9/08
why the hell wasn't the B & G connection not in this game? arrrrrgh
tralfaz23
jasu78
Posted 1:56 AM 12/9/08
I've never really spent a lot of time cruising the LIVE site for achievement listings, but are they always so full of typos and other grammatical errors?
jasu78
Bone Structure
Posted 1:55 AM 12/9/08
@CDRiccio: Right? Shazam? strange decision
lol
Bone Structure
TotaleeAwesome
Posted 1:53 AM 12/9/08
Wait. Wait. Wait. Who the hell is saying fighting games are dead?! Soul Calibur 4, Street Fighter 4, MKvsDC, KOF13, Tekken 6 (whenever the hell the PS3 gets that), Tatsunoko (spellcheck) vs Capcom. Fighting games are here to stay my friends. Though I would like to see some new entries, you know new fighters built from the ground up. Alot of these franchises were started in the 80's so I think its time for something completely new.
TotaleeAwesome
xAnarChisTx
Posted 1:53 AM 12/9/08
@theuglyteradon: I agree. I don't understand WHY they couldn't put Lobo in this game.
Oh, wait, I know why. Cause if they put Lobo in the game, they would have to give it an AO rating, if they based off of his character from the comics.
xAnarChisTx
saxifridge
Posted 2:41 AM 12/9/08
I think having 22 characters if still quite a bit. Agreed that Martian Manhunter should have made the cut, but Jesus, I don't understand what all the whining about not enough characters is about. 22 is a lot, and I am sure you will see more in some sort of DLC at some point. *Here comes the DLC bitching*
saxifridge
Zorantor
Posted 2:40 AM 12/9/08
@TheTimeisback: Borack? Is that some type of fusion of Brak and Zorak?
Zorantor
ComixZone
Posted 2:40 AM 12/9/08
@Teamwork Takedown:
Yeah,
I'd be a lot more inclined to play more fighting games if they actually had a damn story line, and not just some ridiculously lame voice over saying why they're going after a magic sword....
....i hate you soul blade
ComixZone
ComixZone
Posted 2:38 AM 12/9/08
Captain Marvel of today is in Marvel comics, and played a relatively large role in Marvel's big Secret Invasion that's going on right meow
ComixZone
Teamwork Takedown
Posted 2:38 AM 12/9/08
@RET_Ghost: Can I dream? Seriously, if it's just press start, pick character, play from one level to the next fighting random characters, get to final boss, roll credits... I won't be impressed. And it won't get more than $20 from me. I love the in game character animation, if they have cutscenes explaining the characters story in this crossover, i'd be happy. Even if it makes little sense.
Teamwork Takedown
Zorantor
Posted 2:37 AM 12/9/08
Personally, I was hoping for Swamp Thing.
Overall, a disappointing roster, especially considering the vast amount of characters in both universes.
Zorantor
IanC
Posted 2:36 AM 12/9/08
@brianewing:
Oh yes! Plus what with Batman having the Joker, and Superman having Lex.... having Captain Marvels big bad (as it where) would fit well....
IanC
RET_Ghost
Posted 2:35 AM 12/9/08
@Teamwork Takedown: your asking for a crossover fighting game to have an interesting story!?!?!?!
RET_Ghost
ComixZone
Posted 2:35 AM 12/9/08
No Johnny effing Cage? He better be one of the downloadable characters!
ComixZone
Kayonesoft
Posted 2:33 AM 12/9/08
Because Marvel Comics trademarked their Captain Marvel comic book during the interim between the original Captain Marvel's Fawcett years and DC years, DC Comics is unable to promote and market their Captain Marvel/Marvel Family properties under that name. Since 1972, DC has instead used the trademark Shazam! as the title of their comic books and thus the name under which they market and promote the character. Consequently, Captain Marvel himself is sometimes erroneously referred to as Shazam.
Kayonesoft
Teamwork Takedown
Posted 2:30 AM 12/9/08
If the game has interesting storylines for every characters with a beginning and end I may pick it up sometime next year, definitly not for $60.
Teamwork Takedown
JesseX
Posted 2:29 AM 12/9/08
@First2Die: Everybody knows that Spiderman has been always been a Marvel property. At least, it has been since the LHC reordered reality yesterday.
JesseX
dreadnought666
Posted 2:29 AM 12/9/08
I acutally don't think the DC list is that bad, except for Shazam. But where the hell is Kabal or any of the cyborgs from MK?
dreadnought666
brianewing
Posted 2:26 AM 12/9/08
The most glaring omission is Black Adam. He's not well-known in mainstream pop culture, but he's very well-known to DC readers, and he's a perfect fit for a crossover with Mortal Kombat, seeing as how he's always killing and dismembering people.
brianewing
First2Die
Posted 2:23 AM 12/9/08
I'm just pissed Spiderman isn't on that list!!! (que super comic book nerds to correct me)
First2Die
iam.gmo
Posted 3:02 AM 12/9/08
just one word: DOOMSDAY.
the only character that made sense in a game that meets mortal combat.
iam.gmo
AnotherGamer
Posted 3:02 AM 12/9/08
I think you/they mean Captain Marvel not Shazam. Shazam is the name of the wizard who gave Billy Batson his powers.
/nerd
OH and Lex Luthor? Seriously? Couldn't throw in Doomsday or anyone else who would be cooler to play with?
AnotherGamer
Chromeo
Posted 3:01 AM 12/9/08
I was thinking Kabal...but then I remembered that Flash has the same Dash move as him...
So probably, there's a DC character in there that plays similar to Cage, which is why they didn't need him again.
Chromeo
JesseX
Posted 3:00 AM 12/9/08
@SabinDeus: Like many others have said in these comments, DC cannot refer to Billy Batson as "Captain Marvel" when they market the character, due to a legal dispute with Marvel Comics. Thus, the character is often referred to as "Shazam" on merchandise and marketing material. It may be Billy or it may not be: we'll have to wait for screens.
JesseX
TheHeartless
Posted 2:59 AM 12/9/08
Nah, it's gotta be referring to Billy. DC bought up Captain Marvel years ago.
Anyhow, compared with Marvel VS Capcom 2's 56 characters, this will never be enough. It's a decent start, I guess.
TheHeartless
SabinDeus
Posted 2:55 AM 12/9/08
Since I assume Shazam is referring to Freddy Freeman, this disappoints me. I was hoping to play as Billy.
SabinDeus
Agnates
Posted 2:55 AM 12/9/08
Also, I wasn't "getting technical" it's really quite absurd to compare the character selection of a beat em up with the characters of a FPS or similarly limited in regards to controls and animations game. That would make most beat em ups apparently obsolette considering the character selection the Unreal Tournament series usually has for example (and all the custom characters you can download for such games)... But, surprise, beat em ups still have their audience...
Agnates
ShaggyB
Posted 2:55 AM 12/9/08
ummmm wouldnt it be better to put Shazam in as Captain Marvel..... or is it really the wizard Shazam? If so should i even ask if its old school or Billy?
ShaggyB
Agnates
Posted 2:53 AM 12/9/08
@TheTimeisback: Ok and Mortal Kombat Trilogy had 36 character, that doesn't make every game with less unworthy... At least they've hopefully reduced the dupli-and-triple-cates that exist in every beat em up here. I wouldn't put the custom chars as a separate entity for SC, they all use move sets from other fighters even if you can chose a few different specials. That also sort of completely kills the balance but whatever if it's fun it doesn't matter I guess. In any case, it's all about what a given game offers, quantity and quality in enough measures to make it worth while. SF4 will certainly be worthwhile even with far less characters... If MK Vs DC is a good game, it won't matter if it doesn't have as many as SC or as many as MKTrilogy or whatever, will it?
Agnates
RET_Ghost
Posted 2:44 AM 12/9/08
@Teamwork Takedown: I appreciate your dream, long have I waited for a fighting game with an epic story but I just don't see it happening anytime soon. It pisses me off that story telling in fighting games have hardly progressed at all in the past 10 years. Maybe MK vs DC will catch me by surprise but I wouldn't hold my breathe.
RET_Ghost
Crawl to China
Posted 3:30 AM 12/9/08
@Crawl to China: well, except for the new fatalities (joker's is awesome), which sucked in MKA.
But you can always watch those online I guess, Not really a big part of gameplay for me.
Crawl to China
Crawl to China
Posted 3:29 AM 12/9/08
Makes me realize how out of touch I am with the DC universe. And how nobody really needs another MK game after Armageddon.
Crawl to China
Mact
Posted 3:27 AM 12/9/08
@First2Die:
That would be the one thing I could correct.
Not being quite the comic-book know-it-all, I'm still baffled at an apparent Captain Marvel representing DC.
*shrug*
I just watch the cartoons.
Mact
Ampillion, Dayman. Fighter of the Nightman.
Posted 3:26 AM 12/9/08
So, like, Wonder Woman is just going to get swiped up in her own lasso while the opponent berates her and her ideals, right?
Anyway, not that I'm interested in this game at all (Mortal Kombat needs a lot more than a crossover to save it in my eyes...), but this is probably what they're going after. Hell, perhaps they leaked this on purpose just to get people stirring about who is and isn't in the game. It's obvious that their own characters have lost a lot of steam over the years, and the whole purpose of putting the crossover together was to stir up some actual interest/conversation about MK again.
Ampillion, Dayman. Fighter of the Nightman.
saxifridge
Posted 3:22 AM 12/9/08
@TheHeartless:
I have to counter you on that one. Marvel Vs. Capcom was made a while ago using different tech and difference art. All of those characters were pretty much hand drawn for every move they did if I am not mistaken. While it might seem easier to use 3D models, getting 22 different character models, each with their own move sets, to work in every environment, is a rather monumental task. It is a lot easier to get hand drawn work to across the board, especially to make the animation look good than it is for 3D. I wish we would see the old 2D stuff more often like that :)
saxifridge
Mesren_Makai
Posted 3:19 AM 12/9/08
....any idea of add-on characters later?
Mesren_Makai
TSlade
Posted 3:16 AM 12/9/08
A few have said it already but Lobo and Black Adam would have been freakin awesome. WAY to few characters and why the hell isn't Cage here?!?
TSlade
excaliburps
Posted 3:15 AM 12/9/08
@Jsp343: Agreed! For anyone doubting Shazam's ehem Captain Marvel's inclusion, go read Kingdom Come by Alex Ross and Mark Waid. One of the best comic literatures I've read.
Yeah I get that they can't shoehorn every Batman villain in the game but ol' Baldy? What's he going to do? Throw money at people or use kyrptonite as his projectile?
Doomsday would be a good fit. Hey let's not overreact as this is still unofficial. And maybe they have a couple of characters lined up. You never know. I personally want Martian Manhunter in there. Just thinking what his special moves would be makes me think he'd be a good fit...
excaliburps
maniacmayhem
Posted 3:08 AM 12/9/08
Shazam!? Really? I could only see him as a Raiden counterpart.
But at the same time Captain Marvel is nothing more than Superman with less than half the powers.
Darkseid should be bad ass!
maniacmayhem
CitizenTian
Posted 3:55 AM 12/9/08
What the fuck, no Solomon Grundy?!?!
CitizenTian
Mact
Posted 3:35 AM 12/9/08
@TSlade:
Come to think about it, Lobo should be one of the first characters on the list considering his nature.
Mact
EvilSuperSean
Posted 3:33 AM 12/9/08
I imagine Lex will be wearing his Apokoliptian battle suit, the one Darkseid gave him. That'll make him pretty formidable. Not the greatest achievement list ever, but it's alright.
EvilSuperSean
armchairnixon
Posted 4:16 AM 12/9/08
@TheTimeisback: Space Ghost is originally a superhero created by Hanna-Barbera in 1966. He was later turned into a talk-show host, but he's still a superhero.
armchairnixon
TheTimeisback
Posted 4:14 AM 12/9/08
@Zorantor: Sorry. I knew something was wrong.
TheTimeisback
maniacmayhem
Posted 4:44 AM 12/9/08
No Matter Eater Lad?
FOR SHAAAAME
maniacmayhem
TRT-X
Posted 4:43 AM 12/9/08
@Ashurahori: If Joker is any indication...it's just Luthor.
TRT-X
TRT-X
Posted 4:41 AM 12/9/08
Okay...seriously. No Johnny Cage, but they include Luthor and Joker.
Lame.
TRT-X
Trilocaine
Posted 4:39 AM 12/9/08
Guys, how could they put Solomon Grundy in the game. Everyone knows Superman never made any money saving the world from Solomon Grundy. It's just not cost efficient.
Trilocaine
smartboydan hates college
Posted 5:00 AM 12/9/08
NO STATIC SHOCK?!
I'm kidding. Or am I?
smartboydan hates college
Budkin
Posted 5:57 AM 12/9/08
Damn, no Cyrax! Must fire energy net!
Budkin
onepoker
Posted 6:21 AM 12/9/08
THey should of brought in Bill Gates vs Steve Jobs (back when he was healthy)
That would of been great.
This game looks fun despite the low inventory of characters but you can't really blame them I mean they got the important ones SUperman, Batman, Joker, WOnderwoman.
Yes Aquaman would of been a good shout out to the gay community but does anyone really care?
onepoker
Purple Dave
Posted 6:04 AM 12/9/08
Aww...it would've been nice if they'd included J'onn and Hawkgirl (and used the Stewart GL at least in some capacity) so they could have the entire DCAU Justice League.
As for Lex, I'm guessing he'll be in some sort of power armor, like that purple/green getup he wore for the Superfriends series.
@RET_Ghost:
The what now? Marvel has a Captain Marvel also? Huh. I actually had to look it up to confirm your story, which shows you just how much of a household name that is. Probably doesn't help that, firstly, DC's Captain Marvel predates Marvel's first iteration by 27 years, or that, secondly, Marvel has six different characters that have taken on that role, at least some of which seem to have used names other than Captain Marvel.
@RET_Ghost:
Captain Mar-Vell was only created to swipe the Captain Marvel name from Fawcett Comics when it came up for trademark renewal.
Purple Dave
Sousanator
Posted 6:28 AM 12/9/08
Lex Luther, but no Johnny Cage?
I'll still be picking this up, but boy I was expecting Lobo for sure.
And I would assume Shazam is Captain Marvel not Shazam the wizard, since that's what they call him in the WB animated shows, but either is fine for me
Sousanator
Squamden
Posted 7:02 AM 12/9/08
Put Kung Lao in it!
Squamden
TSlade
Posted 7:16 AM 12/9/08
@Mact: He's one of the bloodiest characters in the DCU but he's left out of Mortal freakin' Kombat. There's not enough DC characters in general in there for my liking- the MK fighters lost my interest a LONG time ago.
TSlade
VenomMelendez
Posted 8:04 AM 12/9/08
@texicali74:
Bizarro suck man and he'd bee way to much like superman.
At least Captain Marvel has magic going for him.
VenomMelendez
VenomMelendez
Posted 8:03 AM 12/9/08
@CDRiccio:
He's there for the DC fans same as Deathstroke.
I'm Glad Darksied is in same with Baraka.
VenomMelendez
texicali74
Posted 7:57 AM 12/9/08
No Bizarro? That am stupid.
texicali74
Dave Silva
Posted 8:25 AM 12/9/08
No Martian Manhunter. The dude is DEAD. ;_;
Also, who would be ShazaMarvel's enemy? The seven deadly sins? Sivana? Mr. Mind? The Big Red Cheese just doesn't have enemies that lend themselves to a fighting game.
Dave Silva
thespyderboy
Posted 8:18 AM 12/9/08
Midway sent an email not long ago confirming who was in the game.
Johnny Cage vs. Flash would have been great. But the roster's pretty good.
A lot of people's suggestions on here are not the most thought out, by the way. They may be your favorite character, but they're not going to be put in the first game.
thespyderboy
VenomMelendez
Posted 8:06 AM 12/9/08
@Mact:
True but they went for well kniown characters for the most part anyway.
I mean only comic book fans know lobo and i mean Hardcore fans.
i wish he was in but i'm good with this list.
Darksied is in after all.
VenomMelendez
Placentasaurus
Posted 9:16 AM 12/9/08
The lack of Lobo, Johnny Cage, and Black Canary makes me a sad penguin.
Placentasaurus
Desipride
Posted 9:16 AM 12/9/08
@thrashanddestroy:
Actually, DC didn't own Shazam or Captain Marvel...call it whatever you want. It was owned by a rival company. DC sued the company for all it had. DC claimed CM was a Superman ripoff because he had the ability to fly. Eventually, DC bought CM. Yea, CM is a wasted potential. He could have been among Spider-man and Batman if it wasn't for DC's lawsuit.
Desipride
IGoogledMurder
Posted 9:04 AM 12/9/08
What the fuck. No Lobo?!
IGoogledMurder
Placentasaurus
Posted 9:24 AM 12/9/08
Ooh, the Penguin should be in as the token fat guy! Maybe for DLC. Also, Mr. Mxyzptlk, so it can compete for the title of Game with Most Annoying Short Character. Goldeneye's Oddjob is still #1.
Placentasaurus
HowardC
Posted 10:16 AM 12/9/08
I can't believe people are so stupid as to not know that Shazaam IS captain marvel. Also the legal dispute is pretty much settled and has been for years. DC promotes captian marvel as "Shazaam" voluntarily because they feel marvel would confuse people to think he's a marvel comics property when he's not.
Shazaam is what billy screams to turn into the captain btw and THAT is why they renamed him shazaam, not because of the wizard, who nobody remembers, but because Gomer Pile made the saying far more famous than the actual character.
"Shuh-zaam!" Indeed. ;)
HowardC
Foxstar Sixtail
Posted 11:40 AM 12/9/08
No Superman Prime. THANK YOU SWEET JESUS, THANK YOU GOD.
I can't wait till the Ed staff at DC finally has the green light to not only kill him off but completely remove him from any and all canon. He's not even a GOOD bad guy, it's Silver Age Superman with all the retarded DBZ power levels, a chip on his shoulder and a "Waiting for my balls to drop" tude a mile long.
Deathstroke..eh. He was more scary on Teen Titans, IMHO, he hasn't been a serious threat from "The Judus Contract" on when he was screwing underaged mental freak show, Terra. I don't know why Robin just hasn't asked Bats to break both of his legs and spine yet.
Now Darkseid..there's a bad ass. Too bad like all major villians, his bad-assness takes a back seat at the worst times.
Foxstar Sixtail
Psudonym
Posted 11:34 AM 12/9/08
I guess I'll just have to resort to my fanfiction sites to get my Mr. Freeze vs Sub Zero on.
Psudonym
Trowble (XBL/PSN)
Posted 12:12 PM 12/9/08
No Kabal, no sale. Kabal DLC, sold.
Trowble (XBL/PSN)
dirtybacon
Posted 11:50 AM 12/9/08
No Green Arrow!? no go!
dirtybacon
Rammykun
Posted 12:57 PM 12/9/08
well, im pissed that Kung Lao is not in the game... but somehow it evens itself out with the addition of Darkseid. I dunno how I should be feeling.
Rammykun
ArgentAngel
Posted 1:12 PM 12/9/08
Woo Green Lantern!
ArgentAngel
DoomLight
Posted 1:51 PM 12/9/08
they can put more characters in there. it will probably be just DLC stuff for sure. so many playable DC characters out there. maybe they will get Hanna-Barbera's Wonder Twins in there. so they can say our favourite catch phrase... "wonder twin powers activate!" god i love that
DoomLight
Junker
Posted 3:16 PM 12/9/08
@YotaruVegeta: Well, Marvel's is spelled Captain Mar-vell, yeah I know, a little hairy but still it's not exactly the same.
And also Captain Marvel still exists in DC, just not at the moment, cause of this whole Trials of Shazam craziness or whatever that was.
But that list is kinda weak. :\
Unless Luthor is in his kryptonite suit, he's gunna be a loser.
Clayface would've been nice, or Killer Croc, or about a million other people who would make up a much better roster for a fighting game. :[
Junker
concrete_d
Posted 3:57 PM 12/9/08
@RET_Ghost:
Nice.
concrete_d
Kenofthedead
Posted 8:15 PM 12/9/08
Hopefuly Darkseid will be as cheap and powerful as all get out. The guy takes on Superman, Wonder Woman, Batman, and the rest of the JLA as a warm up before killing god/source of all life.
Also, where is Jimmy Olsen? He's perfect to be the joke character in this game, just as Dan is for Street Fighter.
Kenofthedead
Mact
Posted 1:05 AM 13/9/08
@VenomMelendez:
Incorrect.
I don't read the comics (much). Most of my knowledge comes from the cartoons. Lobo was in the cartoons several times.
Shazam? Never had heard of him. For some reason I thought they'd gone bonkers and put Shaq in...
Mact
Dr_Claw4891
Posted 2:52 AM 13/9/08
Awwww no Bane?
Dr_Claw4891
Spencer
Posted 6:10 AM 13/9/08
In the current DC universe, Captain Marvel now has the wizard job, but retains the name "Captain Marvel" while his protege assumed the name "Shazam."
Contrary to maniacmayhem's belief, CAptain Marvel is arguably MORE powerful than Superman, since his powers include the wisdom of Solomon (which gives him all accumulated human magical AND scietific knowledge). Not only that, but he does not suffer from one of Superman's HUGE weaknesses, magic. His powers are also MAGIC-based, which means that even if he was half as strong (he is depicted as equally strong), he could STILL kick the shit out of Supes, since Supes' invulnerability would be ineffective against him.
The end.
Spencer
Cyco
Posted 7:13 AM 13/9/08
No Reptile, no buy for me.
Cyco
Alessar
Posted 3:58 AM 12/9/08
@AnotherGamer: The wizard Shazam was killed and Billy Batson/original Captain Marvel took over for him as the wizard "Marvel." His former sidekick, Freddy Freeman aka Captain Marvel Jr. is the new hero "Shazam."
Alessar
maniacmayhem
Posted 7:45 AM 17/9/08
@Spencer:
You haven't read Kingdon Come sir? Superman got the better of Captain Marvel hands down.
Also in the Eclipso mini seriers years back a possesed Superman went head up with Cap Marvel and they kicked the shit out of each other with no real winner in the end.
So that means this HUGE weakness Superman has or all that Wisdom Marvel he has doesn't amount to a damn thing when they're going toe to toe with each other.
And i think the knowledge is only Magical not scientifical..but I'm not sure on that.
maniacmayhem
myslead
Posted 6:25 AM 18/9/08
and Black Adam > Captain Marvel.
oh yeah, i went there.
myslead
myslead
Posted 6:24 AM 18/9/08
@van_line: because they know that they won't ......
myslead