I called that one from the beginning ...

jayntampa

@RiceBandit:

I think Sony has delivered on a LOT they promised, all for free to boot!

EnigmaNemesis

...and so begins Sony's pattern of over-promising and under-delivering. It seems to be an endless cycle.

RiceBandit

Perhaps they could simply list the meaningful features they have NOT removed from home.

Marasai

@KSPRAYDAD:

Not here yet. Not cancelled either. But, regardless, this is more about a continual practice, not this isolated incident.

DARTH_TIGRIS

I've always viewed Home (and its avatars) as the PS3's answer to Mii's. Only less embarassing for us 30-yo's...

LobselVith

I'm staying hopeful that this will come back in, unrestricted, but I won't be terribly disappointed when it doesn't.

I do like the idea of chatting with some friends while watching blu-ray iron man that I didn't pay for.

Narsil

@DARTH_TIGRIS: Well put this way it's much more reasonable. But it's not always as bad as you seem to think. When put into their own context the PS3 launch and Home launch are pretty different, because of their relative value. Even without all the promised features PS3 is still impressive and what they removed was not proved to affect much more than the price. Home, on the other hand, would have been free no matter what and that specific feature was for many the single greatest reason to look forward to it. I get what you're saying, but if their under-delivery is still better than the competition then what's the point in bashing them for it?

FP_slomo788

@FP_slomo788:

Point taken!

EnigmaNemesis

I might actually care If I wasn't smart enough to get a 360. What the f**k am I saying, I won mine in a crane game.

Wolf_in_command

@DARTH_TIGRIS: fair enough, i was just pointing out the drama.

and yeah, i like calling people on shit but only when its something i was concerned about. my only interest in home comes from a) launching games with friends within, b) the side rooms theyve talked about to add to older games (id be upset to see this nixed) and very little of c) a place to show off trophies sounds a bit fun if well done.

the video thing wouldve lasted all of 10 minutes before 4chan and somethingawful went nuts with it. though that woudlnve been hilarious.

TheIrishNinja

@EnigmaNemesis: The pitchfork has to be sharp and ready when the reply drops. The whining is the best thing about the PS crowd this gen. Without it we'd still be in-game XMB-less and $599 (although that's what I paid for mine). Sony tends to slack off when they're not kept in check.

FP_slomo788

I thought we all agreed we didn't care about Home anymore?

OGHowie

@BallPtPenTheif: @PapaBear434: @MyLittlePwny: @FP_slomo788: @AokiShinya: @TheIrishNinja:

Yikes. I really pissed you guys off. I wasn't even expecting anyone to pay attention to my comment.

For the record, it wasn't intended as a complete Sony bash for everything they do. I was stating that, because of Sony's history of overpromising and underdelivering, they deserve every rock thrown at them FOR THIS. They have not learned from their mistakes in the past. Do not announce a feature in a product or service unless you know you can do it.

So basically I'm not calling for a Sony boycott, saying the PS3 is a bust or blaming Sony for cancer. I'm just saying that its basically not healthy for us as consumers to not call them out for the continuing practice of overpromising (to scoop or belittle their competitors) and underdelivering (preying on brand loyalists).

DARTH_TIGRIS

So the only videos will be adds? Dang I really was looking forward to that feature. Still pumped about home, if it ever comes...

boots555

@MysteriousStranger:

I don't know..

Does the PS3 have a huge hentai fanbase?

BallPtPenTheif

@FP_slomo788:

I would wait until they give a response/reason, before I pull out the pitch fork.

Just sayin is all.

EnigmaNemesis

is video sharing that important?

MysteriousStranger

@DARTH_TIGRIS: How is the Xbox's IPTV holding up for ya?

KSPRAYDAD

.@TheIrishNinja: It's called by a fanboy..take a look at the comments really.

enewtabie(wants a job at Insomniac Games in NC)

Home will eventually be linked up too the video store of that im sure, it just seems to much of a good thing to throw away.

Ryuujin1024

@crazyscreenwriter: There are other ways of controlling this than removing the feature altogether. Besides, if you're planning a service like this, that problem should be resolved even before the concept goes into development, not (supposedly) a few months before its launch. PS3 owners won't be amused, Sony. This one is unexcusable.

FP_slomo788

Im in the HOME Beta and you know what? It sucks! seriously go fool around in PSU or Second Life its pretty much the same thing. If they added some sort of MMO ish game play to Home now that would be cool

wwm0nkey

@DARTH_TIGRIS: wow, you got that '06 drama down, man.

TheIrishNinja

@ChaoticInfinityX: Home will be in an eternal beta much like Gmail. They'll launch it but it'll likely still have the beta tag forever just so they can say "It's still in beta and more features are being added."

Jhriad

@DARTH_TIGRIS: If you're honest with yourself, you would have seen this coming A MILE AWAY.

Really, video sharing online? Sony?

Either you're fooling yourself or you're as dumb as a rock.

AokiShinya

Seriously what the hell DOES Home do now? The more they strip the service down the less I care about it. Meh, I'll be honest I haven't cared in a while. Get your shit together Sony.

Jhriad

I wonder if one of the problems would be controlling the content. Imagine some 10 year old gets a PS3 for Christmas, boots it up, signs onto PSN/HOME and wanders into some guy's virtual house showing a non-stop Jenna Jameson marathon...

crazyscreenwriter

It's just dropped from the beta, that doesn't mean it wont be added in the official release.

ChaoticInfinityX

In all honesty, the only reason I like the idea of Home is so that I have the potential to steretypically screen people, via subculture references, before playing online with them.

If your name is Jerry420, your avatar has burkenstocks, and you can't stop talking about "The Dead" then consider me your nemesis.

BallPtPenTheif

@DARTH_TIGRIS: Not defending this or anything, but overall they still gave you more than the other companies. If you're honest to yourself you'll admit this. And really, would you have paid $800+ for two HDMI ports and two CELL processors (which supposedly was not optimal for gaming)?

FP_slomo788

I'm not surprised in retrospect, though I never thought about it before. Maybe it'll be something they can work through, but I wouldn't be surprised if they couldn't either.

Heliophage

I haven't checked out the beta in a while, but unless they've added new stuff, there's no televisions, picture frames, or radios in the beta, so we don't know if the stuff's actually been removed, or if it's just not in the beta.

Jeff Paine

I think that the personalized game clubs for each games is awesome just imagine all the stuff a dev team gets in excess just to put in a club style thing and have it for owners of the game. if they keep growing that part ill dig it for now w/o video sharing capabilities.

Vectortuff

@BallPtPenTheif: You could do that in GTA IV?

Holy crap!
TEXAS REPUBLICAN SPACE RANGERS HERE I COME!

Kreepman

@KaneRobot: Yeah, I wonder if they were more afraid for their own sake or the backlash of other IP holders?

Aflack: Likes slushies

@MyLittlePwny: You could either stay in third person or watch it fullscreen. I thought it was the best idea in Home. Imagine buying a movie off the PS Store and watching it with your pal at another school.

FP_slomo788

This is the one thing about Home that I was interested in. I don't care if Second Life PS3 ever comes out now.

Spartan1308™

Watering down an already watered down Second Life

Fryfat2

@BallPtPenTheif:

/agree

EnigmaNemesis

@DARTH_TIGRIS:

They dropped a lame feature, if we're gonna be honest with ourselves. Guess what, the PS3 already plays movies. Do you really the virtual experience?

MyLittlePwny

Yeah, I was kind of expecting this anyway. Having a big file streaming network would be far too much...

@DARTH_TIGRIS:

Eh, they've caught up in most respects via firmware updates. I'm a forgiving guy, and know that my holding a grudge against a multi-billion dollar multinational corporation is like pissing in the ocean. No one is going to notice.

PapaBear434

@BallPtPenTheif: Not in the 360 version you can't.

Rotmm

@DARTH_TIGRIS:

That's being a bit overdramatic. The details on video sharing were vague at best and the feature was definitely not the krux of the offering.

If you were honest with yourself you would agree.

BallPtPenTheif

@Kreepman:

haha yeah, is that what they were going for? You and your virtual buddies watching a movie? That seems like such a lame idea. Maybe if you could fullscreen the movie, but then that just kind of defeats the purpose. Just watch the damn movie on your PS3.

MyLittlePwny

@Kreepman:

That's why you set the camera view to full screen rather than staring at the back of a man's head.

BallPtPenTheif

Remember all of the things the PS3 was supposed to be able to do? And when it finally released, some of those features were removed. And even after the system came out, certain features were removed.

Now here we are with the promises of Home now starting to crumble as the reality of Home comes nearer and nearer.

Sony deserves every rock thrown at them for this. If you're honest with yourself, you'll agree.

DARTH_TIGRIS

@Kreepman:

LOL, so true!

EnigmaNemesis

@FP_slomo788:

Really...

Virtual Pringles?

Really?

NorthernAvengeR

And here we...go!

MP-Geist

I knew this was too good to be true. I wouldn't expect it to ever come back.

I guess XBL's Netflix party-viewing is as good as it's going to get right now. Uh, if you have Netflix.

KaneRobot

@MyLittlePwny: I did for 3 minutes in GTA IV..then I got bored.

Kreepman

I cant really imagine an implementation for that idea that dosent suck. How would that work? Would you watch your virtual self watching a movie?

MyLittlePwny

@FP_slomo788: Knowing Sony for being so tacky with everything, i can't honestly see this coming back.

joandrade

Too bad, that was a pretty cool feature. Not big enough to ruin the experience, but still pretty big. Hopefully they add it in later or make an announcement for something similar.

nitromic

I was expecting it, but hoping they wouldn't.
Could we at least get a general idea as to when we get to go Home?

Demonbird

If they drop it forever Home has lost 90% of its appeal to me.

FP_slomo788

@RiceBandit: If everyone else promised and delivered only a, or if you offered a and b for cheaper I think you'd survive.

FP_slomo788

@EnigmaNemesis: I'd have to say that I agree with Darth_Tigris about over-promising. Whether they kept "a lot of promises" or not, they still have the tendency to not doing what they said they would. If they're not certain that they'll be able to pull something off, maybe they shouldn't bother shooting their mouth off that they'll be doing it. In the past, Sony has been guilty of this for the PS3 as well as the PSP (if I recall correctly.)

Free or not, hearing somebody say that you'll get a, b, and c, then only receiving a and b is still a little bit of a disappointment. If I ever tried to pull something like that with my clients, they'd be fine the first time I pulled that stunt. But a second or third time? They'd move on to someone else.

RiceBandit

Home it's much like dust in the wind. What is really going to make any difference now its LBP

mpar

Meaning they never got it working and to get it out at the time they promised, they'll have to drop it and make sure every other feature (what others?) is working at a stable rate.

Either way, eh. I wasn't sure how much I was gonna use it anyway. Except, ya know, watch some pirated movies with some buddies. Not that I do that kind of thing...

Psudonym

@Rectangle:

Yeah, that more than likely wouldn't fall in the LOT category I was referring to.... but your comment would have made more sense if I said ALL instead.

EnigmaNemesis

Wow, that was the most important part of HOME for me, I would of convinced multiple people to get a PS3 if it actually worked!

Oh well.....

Melee Is Best

@EnigmaNemesis: My PS3 wasn't free. ;)

Rectangle

So I can't watch midget and llama porn with other users in the comfort of my own virtual home? I guess I'll have to roleplay then.

Need llama RPer. PST!

Tyber_Zann

There goes a major feature I liked about home. In fact, seeing the trailer for home was the first time I considered buying a PS3...

woah..

QC8472

This is bull crap! how can you take it away from the beta when it was never in the beta! we never got tv's in our home space, so there was no way for use to share movie clips.

kitt2112

Hmm... This is the first I've heard of video-sharing. It would be nice to watch a movie with a friend, even when we're across the country. On the other hand, I can understand the copyright issues kinda snagging things. I hope they work it in, but honestly, I don't care. Maybe when I see the totality of what Home does for me, I'll nitpick on things they should/shouldn't have done. If they can get the base level fucntions out sooner, more power to them.

AllegraStreit

I used to care about Home...worse, the stripping of features is not limited to video sharing, as it appears that now IMAGES are not allowed. The option to add a picture frame to your personal space is gone, and all indications are it isn't coming back, whether for IP or sensitity/children issues.

So your 'Home' can't even have your own PHOTOS in it, let alone videos.

They'll never admit/do this, but they really need to just drop this Home idea and work on the XMB friend features...this thing is becoming a thin shadow of Second Life...and I'm a Sony fan.

phloog

Does anyone actually care about Home? It just seems like some marketing guy's really contrived notion of what "Generation Z" is "all about these days."

ProdigalMoon

@BallPtPenTheif: juding by the anime avatars a lot of them have, definately :s

MysteriousStranger

Look at Play TV if they can allow you to copy any tv show and then put it on any device you want, i am pretty sure that they would be able to do this. It is just a matter of time to get it working perfect.

Koneesha

Yes I am not happy to hear this, but realistically, I expected this to happen. I have four letters explaining why.....MPAA!! I think the issues mainly copyright and I can imagine MPAA lawyers whining lawsuits suing Sony if they did not remove that feature...

zorkan555

Damn, that was one of my favorite features. I usually rent movies online with the PSN and was hoping to share with my bro and friends. Bummer.

Veridis_Quo

This is inexcusable!! *faints*

...

I feel this is just an anomaly hitting against reality like PlayTV's video sharing feature. In these cases (as well as other features not yet realized), it was clear that Sony was entering murky licensing waters. The only people who got their hopes up and believed any of it were people who had no idea just how tight content providers are with their digital assets. Things are just aligning themselves I feel. Sure people will be peeved that Sony couldn't deliver on a promise but no one bats a thousand and we as consumers should really learn to remain cautiously optimistic about things. As far as the things originally promised in HOME, people should be extra-cautious. Either that or be bitter and bitch about it later :|

okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under)

That's so gay. Will set us back another couple years till the fully wired future is finally here.

virtualex

@Koneesha: Yes, that's true, but because Play TV works with digital tv not encrypted, but it is for Europe only, since Europe uses different standard for OTA than NA. If MPAA had there way, this device would be illegal...

zorkan555

Meh, maybe they will add support for their rental service, similar to the new Xbox Experience's party system.

(Basically you can watch Netflix videos with other members through the service.)

But it has lost a lot of appeal from me. Here's to hoping, for some reason, they don't cancel picture sharing too!

SuperTongue

@FP_slomo788: Wow, there's so many cool features in HOME I can't believe this is the only one you really care about. To each his own I guess but HOME has a lot more to offer even if video sharing is gone for good (which I doubt).

Madgame

Haha, virtual Pringles. I "lol'd."

yargh

One thing I've been wondering for a while is just how large this thing is going to be. 5GB? 10GB? It's a download, right?
I mean what with all these games we've been having to install along with any DLC content or games users might have, I wonder if it will be an issue getting everyone to be able to use this and still have space left for music and videos (assuming some people are using most of the PS3's features). And then, I wonder again if it'll come pre-installed on new PS3s.

Blah8

All I can say is, October's coming up pretty fast.

...

So are we going to see Home now? Lots of people were defending the decision to move it until later. Well, now we're almost here...

And yes, this was not a surprise move.

Spoony Bard

This is a no-brainer. Seeing as ho you can invite people from *different regions* to your virtual apartment, I can't see as how they ever would have received permission from any content distributors.

The loss of video sharing isn't as much a big deal for me as the (probable) audio sharing loss. I would love to have had music thumping in my home for others. If it doesn't get removed then we might be able to consider this a technical issue.

Anyway, whatever. ^___^

endekks

The feature will come back for HOME's final release. I'm in the HOME Beta. But I guess Sony did this to themselves by making so many promises. Now people will flame them any chance they get.

BabeBro

@nitromic:

i agree.

joeloliol

They are the big ones on selling digital copies with BluRay discs now, it would be sweet to invite a friend or 2 over to sit and watch a movies through Home.

Hand_O_Death

Sony is caught in a difficult position with Home. On the one hand, the players want customization (picture frames, video sharing). On the other hand they have to contend with not only digital rights, but the inevitable journos who would otherwise log in, fill their apartment with paedophile porn pictures and videos and immediately post pictures as part of a "Oh My God! This Is What Your Child Will Find On PS3 HOME!" article.

For me, the primary purpose of Home will be as a way of easily meeting other PS3 players that I can then add to my Friends list if we get along.

BritBloke916

I've been in the beta for a while now and in all honesty, the video sharing was never a big factor for me, and what's more I was always dubious as to how they'd implement it...

The PS3 can play so many video formats that it's essentially begging to be a cinema complex of piracy... what's more, with loads of videos being streamed constantly it would be VERY difficult to monitor all of the information, as such illegal variants of pornography, snuff and other offensive and legally dubious content could be easily shared... it would be a nightmare for them!

for watching movies with friends there's still the cinema/theatre district which can be more closely regulated...

Sony is still on track as far as delivering a relevant service goes...

Home isn't just second life on PS3 and that's fairly obvious to anyone who's used it for more than an hour or so... As a tool for organising your party before proceeding to a game, it's excellent, and I'm looking forward to the open beta just because it'll completely simplify organising games within my community!

exion

^ sued

SolidSlug

Well, clearly, they would be used all the way down to Hell if they allowed anyone to watch Fox Blu-ray discs for free.

SolidSlug