@domain: This is true. I have used the system maintenance feature before and all it does is remove all game patches as far as im aware.

I didn't even buy Pub Games. Its a nice idea, but I want my Fable 2 adventure to start when I have Fable 2.

Refused

i know this sounds like a stupid question, but what other cheats were there? i only knew about the tower one, and the guy in the video says something about the spinner one i never heard about that one.

HerbalJoker

The "maintenance" feature has been available (and documented online) for as long as I can remember... it basically just clears the system cache/patch data for EVERYTHING on the storage device... Some people have claimed that it can affect other things (information related to on-going achievements etc.) but i've never seen that to be the case.

So basically, you are just "unpatching" the game... as for why you would want to do this, particularly to cheat is beyond me.

domain

im thinking that if you have a certain amount of $ like 3inst3ins 2 mill then they will reduce it b/c it will take a long time to reach that amount of money so they will know who is cheating or not. Or maybe there is like a counter in the pub game that keeps track of how many times u use the glitch. That would be hillarious

xblacknightxz

can't you just start with a new character? its easy enough to get rich in the pub games if you play the odds against themselves. they payout odds are better than the actual odds for certain results. work out the math and you're guranteed pofit (in teh long term, not short term)

Rajio

By having a shit ton of money right from the start of Fable II aren't you just making the game too easy?

TeknoVagrant

so, has anybody actually aspplied the patch? it resets leader boards, but does it remove ill gotten gains; will I get to keep my $2 million?

3inst3in

I'm hoping that the exploit WAS intentional. Molyneux implied that cheating in the Pub Games might have implications in the full game, like for example, starting with more evil points.

QualityJeverage

Shit.

Thief

I wonder... If we DON'T patch the game and continue to play it offline, will we be able to transfer stuff once Fable II hits anyways? Or will the Fable II game prompt you to patch the Pub Games first?

I think I'll just leave my pub games unpatched and find out.

Dark_Mirage

Well that doesn't sound like Pub music to me!

two cans tied together and thrown down the street to wake up the surrounding neighbors with a loud annoying noise

I got it to work. I didn't update pub games :P

SnprSlick

My prediction? The amount of money you make gambling was always going to make your corruption (rather than evil) level go up, so the people who made millions of gold on this patch are going to have the sleaziest gits possible.

markusdragon

This glitch was intentional, yet they 'fixed' it? Right. There is not going to be any punishment within Fable 2. They just want people to think that so they stop cheating for gold.

Desolation33

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the fact that everyone did this after they accidentally patched oblivion, I had this shit memorized and when i realized what happened to my pub games I immidiately went and 'xx lb lb xx'ed all over my hard drive. You just have to repatch your games, nothing bad really happens.

Saith17

I didn't update the game and continued to use the glitch (offline) to get all of the achievements. Now that I have all of them, I'll do the update and maybe see if I can earn money legitimately.

However, given the rather random nature of the games, earning legit money--which I tried to do at first--is rather difficult. I never made any money from Spinnerbox or Fortune's Tower. I did manage to make some money from Keystone with a few well-timed strategies, but my losses from Spinnerbox and Fortune more than offset it.

So, if I can't raise any money legitimately, what's the point? If I start the game in significant debt due to the randomness of the pub games, how does that benefit me/my character? I'd rather NOT play the game any more and start at zero rather than risk starting in debt.

Covenant

@PathRifter: I play it connected to live mainly because I have my Xbox set to automatically connect me. And you can always talk to friends who are on. Would of been cool if you could of played with friends.

TJH518

I got my couple of thousand gold and items, thats all I wanted. I want to try playing Keystone, cause I have no idea how to play it, but I just have no interest in it. I say if it gives me Evil or Corruption points, oh well. I remember in the original Fable all you had to do is donate gold to a shrine to get change your alignment. Either way I intend to go Evil. Its kinda Win Win for me.

TJH518

I would hope everyone reads this and I can get confirmation on if you have like 3 million gold or any other insane amount, and then when you patch the game if you lose all your gold or have the ammount dropped down? I am rarely if EVER connected to Xbox live, so patches and stuff like this doesn't ever really effect me, I've played the Pug games offline since the moment I downloaded them.

Also, and I guess this question can't be answered until Fable 2 comes out, but I'm wondering if we'll be able to port over our character from the pub games without the patch...I would assume no, but if we have all the money we're satisfied with, don't play the games again until Fable 2 comes out, patch it and port over, I don't see how we can lose gold.

I'm almost 100% positive I'm safe. :P

As a side note and question...why do you people play these things connected to Live? o_O;

PathRifter

@two cans tied together and thrown down the street to wake u...: You've never been to any of the pubs I have been O_O

Finstern

Removing the patch might not do anything. In some games like Forza 2 they patched a credit glitch and if you update the game and then remove the patch by clearing the cache your saved game won't work until you download the patch again. I haven't tried it on the Pub games yet but clearing cache is such a glaringly obvious loop hole that they should've seen coming either way.

Alsooo, I think he's full of crap saying it was intentional. Seems like he's just trying to scare people out of doing it. I know there's the whole good/evil thing but if they were to let you cheat couldn't they have done something like hide cards in your sleeve for Fortunes Tower or rig the dice on Keystone? And then have the dealer punish you by taking away some gold if you do it too much. At least something that doesn't appear to be anything more than a glitch/exploit. Patching it doesn't make the "oh we did it on purpose" comment any more convincing.

cheesecake000

@Desolation33: I am a little puzzled why they would fix it if it was intentional myself.

Ken Edwards

Most likely it wasn't intentional, and the patch fixes the glitch, and there's some code that determines whether you've done the glitch or not, and then when Fable II drops, you'll see the 'consequences'.

Poo_and_Weeeee

I'm tired of hearing about this "surprise" we have in store. I wish he'd just outright say what it is they have planned so we know if he actually thought this through or if he's just bluffing.

Zenrick2.0

Molyneux's surprise: "Hey guyz! You gets away with it! SURPRISE!!!!"

MrGYoureSwell

He's just bluffing, I look forward to having my medieval 'batman' like hero in Fable II thanks to this glitch. Living in my mansion going out kicking some ass and coming home to tell my butler about it... and have an 3-way with my two wives. Ok that last part has nothing to do with Batman, but I look forward too it anyway.

I already had over 3 million gold I don't think I will need anymore so patch away, I am surprised it took them this long.

WPack911

So... What the fuck is going on? Was it a trap all along? I'm so confused.

hagridore

I don't understand in a game "Fable" that lets you steal things out of stores, kill the innocent, and *SPOILER* old spoiler don't know if anyone didn't know this but here it goes, in a game where it lets you choose if you want to kill your sister or not, I don't see how a Pub Game money glitch is a bad thing I would have thought that they would have supported it and said hey do what you have to do. I could see if they wanted to link evil points to your Hero for it though.

Assassin_Kensei

Y'know, the glitch was usable in any FT game, it just didn't garner as much money. And any glitch can be redone after patching by doing the cheat-codesque system maintenance.

Does Not Equal (ダズノット)

Well of curse this would work. When you do maintenance on your HDD you remove ALL updates (excluding DLC updates, ex. Burnout Paradise) for ALL games thus making the game in question brand new. But here is a better question, why would you update the Pub Games if your just going to remove the update?

Quicksilver4648

man i hope you ger evil points for cheating in the pub games I would use the glitch more often then but right now I'm just going to not use the update.

Assassin_Kensei

@TeknoVagrant: Not if its anything like Fable I. Money wasn't exactly tough to come by.. I'd rather put a couple hours into killing guards than grinding these boring pub games, and I'm super excited about the game coming out!

collider

Depending on how long I have to play until I can merge my character with my pub character, I was planning on using the exploit on one of the other profiles on my console and starting the game with them to see what happens. I can't decide whether or not its going to be a big deal.

LittleBlueWindow

Maybe you'll just get a "Pub cheater" achievement or something when the game starts. If that's the case, whoopdie doo.

Dark_Mirage

Great sound track. Screw pub games. Helloween - Dr Stein FTW.

FadedSpark

i Run the system maintenance at least once a month, the x, x, lb, rb, x, x, it doesnt do anything bad, wont hurt your hard drive and i do it to "clear the cache" if you will. Basically gets rid of the updates. thats all.

spookythemayor

@Dark_Mirage: The achievement lists are already up at achieve360points - no such achievement listed.

I reckon the gamekeepers will send heavies after you for cheating or somesuch. It'll be a morality thing: you are a cheat, and people will know in-game.

Personally, I think I'll just keep playing Keystone.

sanctusmortis

@sanctusmortis: I'd honestly be all for that sort of thing. But, the deep pit of cynicism in me says that nothing that cool will happen. I guess at this point I expect to be shafted by games I'm looking forward to (Spore, Force Unleashed, NWN2, etc)

shockwaver

@FadedSpark:
Hell, I'm glad I'm not the only person who recognized the tune. We need some epic RPG video on here now, with Keeper of the Seven Keys blaring in the background. The resulting cheese would drown the world.

Malkiyyah

Does anyone even remember the weird combat system of Fable 2?? Hows that gonna be??

darkwhitehair

So, I decided to bite the bullet and download the update to see what would happen. So far, it looks like we're going to get away with it. I can no longer use the exploit, sure, but my 2.7 million gold are still here. No worries.

TheDarwinian

I've used this to unpatch many glitches, for a long time. This does indeed work, but if you didn't accept the patch you can also opt to decline it by pressing B.
Because I've been unpatching games to do old glitches for quite some time I'd like to mention that I, the maker of the video above, have had no long term problems.

SnakesNBarrels

Spinnerbox isn't a cheat. He's just talking about the generally good odds you get when playing that particular pub game.

But yeah, I agree with 3inst3in. I don't care if I can't use the exploit anymore, as long as I get to keep my money.

The best things in life are free. But you can give them to the birds and bees. I want money.

That's what I want.

TheDarwinian

I'm not quite sure if what he meant was that the pub glitch itself gets you bad stuff, or if its just coming into the game with a lot of money. Part of me wants to say what he meant was "Anyone who has a lot of cash from the pub games, mainly the cheaters, will have a bit of trouble when they first transfer over all that cash"

I was thinking this because he talks about being wealthy and poor in Fable 2 and that affecting how people talk to you. How would you act if someone just dropped a heap of money into the person next to you's lap?

Now, this is all speculation, but it seems to make more sense than "its intentional but we fixed it anyway" for me.

Aeros