Valve are one of my favourite developers but they really are idiots. They're not an exclusive company (although they probably would always put PC first), and they have had their games ported to the PS3. I think Doug himself said that they recognise that the PS3 is catching up with the 360 and could represent a lot of sales for them, but they still refuse to have anything to do with the console.

lordofsword

Annoying, but not surprising. Those guys are pricks.

jerimas

@th3-1nf1d3l: Yeah the Valve hates the ps3 kotaku rights group is going full steam ahead today.

I'm not a citzen of the community your in CitizenInsane27, so don't lump everyone in with yourself.

Pornosaur

@Kirbysuperstar: If it's not financially viable they are within their right to say "Bugger Off".

danecy

And this coming through when Valve said the updates would be free, after Microsoft said they would charge for it, and after Sony said that free is fine... I smell something fishy. It's almost if they should have been developing on the PS3 anyway, and then wait to develop for the Xbox.

MushroomSquid

not a surprise. i actually sold my ps3 copy when i got a 360 and replaced it with a 360 copy. I will say EA did some nice stuff with match making in TF2. Its much easier to find matches in the ps3 version. unfortunately, everything else about the ps3 version, framerate slowdowns, Huge load times, poorer graphics, etc etc do not justify it. seriously, i had to wait 40 seconds after dying in portal on ps3. on 360 its like 5

the_grimace

@TheIrishNinja: Thank you for saying what I was thinking. :)

Đipic

who gives a shit i'm still having fun playing 2fort on my ps3.

it'd be nice if EA patched skywalking...

subterfunk

Or he hates money?

L33Td00d

Even if i own all the systems this game is available (i ended up buying it in 360) all this nonsense hate from Valve to PS3 users is getting ridiculous; Okay, they didn´t want to port it to the PS3, but the port was done at the end they got their royalties paid. The attitude from Valve reminds me of the cavemen thinking of the old pc developers who hated everything that was available on consoles (he loves the 360 since it´s basically a pc), but come on, even George Romero and ID (the ones who created pc gaming) were capable to get over this stupid hate and work around the difficulties, i dunno why Valve doesn´t do it, it would be a win-win situation.
I won´t say i´ll stop buying their products just because of this, but i think it is indeed a really wrong decision and would create a hate for the company in a lot of people. Gabe Newell is really wrong in his stance about the ps3...Maybe he´s just lazy...

Daisuash

@Lightman: First of all, ask yourself why EA is responsible for the port in the first place.

Second of all, as TheIrishNinja said, stop telling people to get it for the PC. Not everyone has circumstances or cares to own it on the PC. And regardless, it doesn't change the fact that there are people who did essentially waste money on inferior copies of the game because of the greed and laziness of certain companies.

Đipic

No sandwich for the ps3 owners : (

screenfan

@NoahIdea: /facepalm

Lightman

Valve never wanted a PS3 version to begin with so
if you want to blame someone here, blame EA.
That slap-job of a port was EA's work and they did it only to make a quick buck.

neojam

@VixDiesel: Careful, I think I got banned for joking about Tubby's weight. Of course no one told me what I was banned for, so it's just a wild guess on my part. :D

GlibGamer

It's half a shame that Valve is that big a company that they can just take a dump on so many of their fans and customers. It's great that they've made it to the point that they're at, because no one is going to doubt that they deserve it. But, I don't have enough money to get a good gaming rig BECAUSE I bought a PS3. But when they come out with amazing games only to gimp them for absolutely no reason other than random and needless spite for their PS3 iterations, what are the millions of us to do? Who the hell does he think he is, really?

NoahIdea

@th3-1nf1d3l: I think we should be more ashamed should we just act like fanboys and not give criticism where it's due.

Đipic

It pains me to see how few people actually read posts before turning up the whine to maximum.

EA is responsible for the PS3 port, people. Not Valve.

And geez, get it for the PC already. Maybe if this was Crysis we're talking about, but my god, its the Source engine. A four-year old engine that ran fine even on my Radeon 9000pro and 512 MB of RAM piece-of-shit system back in the day.

Lightman

It seems that Valve is happy to take the money of PS3 owners whilst simultaneously openly treat them second-class console citizens. If I was a PS3 Orange Box owner, I'd probably feel pretty let down by Valve.

Luckyjim

@th3-1nf1d3l: When they learn to man up and be the company we KNOW they can be, we as a community will stop hating on them.

CitizenInsane27

honestly, I haven't touched the orange box in months.
Updates would not get me playing it again anyway.

Not that I'm bashing it, it's an awesome game, but once I move on to a new game my old games just get dusty.

gadjet

The orange box doesn't even require that much power from a computer to run. I still don't understand why all these console fanboys are whining. My roommate is able to play TF2 at 30 fps on his budget Acer pc he bought two years ago.

incazteca

Oh well. Having only played Team Fortress on PS3, I could care less, that game is ugly and kinda boring. There are so many other shooters worth my time.
PS: that's my opinion. Try not to take it personally.

cio

I'm saddened by this announcement, but it was hardly unexpected. Valve is a PC developer working primarily with DirectX. It was a surprise that Orange Box even made it onto the OpenGL-based PS3 in the first place, though it could be argued that that port came about through no effort on Valve's part.

Hopefully future console Valve titles will enjoy the same level of post-sale support that their PC titles receive.

Altersparck

Gabe Newell...the original PS3 hater.

FarmboyinJapan

Well, I wasn't going to play Team Fortress 2 anyway, but if I do ever get a 360 or a better PC, and I get The Orange Box, I'll know which version to avoid. Sucks for me, because the PS3 is the most powerful system I have!

dawimp523

@TheIrishNinja: Agreed. Well put BTW.

CitizenInsane27

@bialia: Too bad you got a nickel of store credit for it :(

Also this news doesn't surprise me.

WEGGLES90

All this Valve hate. I'm ashamed Kotaku-world, I'm ashamed.

th3-1nf1d3l

@last_dread:

Oh yeah, it's getting the shaft alright *wink wink, nudge nudge*. You know what I mean? Heh ahahahah I'm so funny and so is my joke. Because I'm refering to a penis.

Chunky-MonkeyLOL

@TheIrishNinja: Agree, fully.

GlassAdam?

This is rather unfortunate. I don't have a PC with me at school, and I refuse to pay for Xbox Live for the fact that I don't play online games enough to warrant it, and that it's actually free to play elsewhere. While I owned the Orange Box for the 360, I bought a copy for the PS3 when I got my PS3 so I could play it for free, and play with my friend who also has it for PS3. I would gladly even pay for the updates, so long as I don't have to pay a subscription to play the game.

Marceau

@Talleh: Frankly, I think Valve will continue to shaft PS3 owners for some time to come, as that for how long it takes them to develop their games, they don't have the resources to keep expanding their team and porting their own games. It really sucks as a PS3 owner too, because I played Valve's games on my old PC (before it becames outdated and couldn't handle it's own weight) and have respect for them, but nowadays, with Steam running the way it is, and how much money they are making, not even hiring EA to do more ports is just, well sad, and horribly lazy IMO. If Valve was a struggling developer with no credibility and a mothership that will only give them so much funding, then that's one thing, but it's f'n Valve. No excuses.

CitizenInsane27

Gabe Newll is a fat fuck who thinks his shit doesn't stink..

If you don't treat the systems equally, people are gonna hate you. Either do both consoles, one, or none.

The industry itself needs to stop playing favorites.

VixDiesel

oh christ, enough of you clowns going on about "this is what you get for not getting it on pc", please stop the eletist bullshit. not all of us have or want a gaming rig, and buying a product for another medium doesnt mean one should be shat on for having done so. and yes, i know about how awesome the mods are, i think that's cool and all, but enough already.

you're no better than fanboys eagerly awaiting FF XIII ot be less than awesome on 360 somehow, just to mock one's system of choice.

TheIrishNinja

@Diesel_Power: Sorry, that's not a valid excuse. People who bought a specific version of a game shouldn't just be told "No, you aren't getting this stuff, bugger off".

Kirbysuperstar

@Setzer IIDX: WAtch it guy, you're dissing one of PC Gaming's GODS. And with that note, it's exactly why Valve doesn't give a shit about consoles.

Yofu

Wow, dick move. With everything Valve has done and said concerning the PS3 they have lost a lot of my respect.

Đipic

@Diesel_Power: yes. everyone should game on PCs, somehow. brilliant.

TheIrishNinja

@FP_slomo788: Then just get the PC version. Chances are it'll run on your PC. (unless you use intergrated graphics)

ChaosBahamut

well Valve can shove it. Thats the last time I buy one of their games. They arent anything special really anyways to be honest.

Scott3D

Eff ;[

00000000

So glad I didn't buy that fking game

ajiezer

@TheApprentice: The PS3 version wasn't really their product. It was out-sourced to EA.

Plus you have to remember that Valve is a small company. Maybe they just don't have the manpower to support the PS3 yet, given that it is a lot different than the PC and to master the PS3's architecture would require more workforce than they have.

ChaosBahamut

Anyone that opted for the console version to play TF2 needs to opt out and find a way to play it on the PC. EA was the one that ported it to the PS3 in the first place so shouldn't it be on them to do something with it?

Hostile

Vavle didn't work on a port on PS3, they never even really planned on doing it in the first place. I'm not saying "Be happy with what you got" I'm saying "Be pissed at EA because they're the ones that worked on porting".

But meh, I can't lie and say vavle isn't biased towards their PC fanbase. However apathy kinda sets in for us PC gamers because we only care about what class is getting the next update.

Shykin

@FP_slomo788: I agree

Schoolimangooli's backpack turns into a ham sandwich!

@TheApprentice: PS3 version is technicaly EAs product as they made the port.

Both 360 and PC will continue to get the updates as time goes on.

DragonNinja

@TheApprentice: haha dude you are a blast :p

Krumm

Good job abandoning your customers, guys.

hagridore

Well then, maybe the EA team isn't working on that because they are working on porting Left 4 Dead?

Ahh, a man can dream, right?

CitizenInsane27

I think this kinda sucks, but I don't think L4D will have this problem. I base this on nothing, but I don't think Valve would shaft PS3-ers twice in a row like that. Still, it's what you get for not getting it on PC, the system it belongs on. Though I gotta say, it played much the same for 360, the achievements fit and worked in really well, except the MP was totally barren, and had all the bugs it did at launch.

Talleh

Valve obviously doesn't like the PS3, which I agree, sucks for PS3 owners (myself included) however, on the flip side, why the hell are you buying valve games for your PS3? TF2 runs great on my 5 year old computer with GeForce 6800 GT.

Valve = Buy the PC version.

omses

@PissedPS3Fan: Your screenname says it all.

FP_slomo788

@MuffinMan0: Gabe and several other Valve staffers had tried some PS3 coding and didn't like it one bit.

EA are the ones that made the PS3 port (and subsequently buggered it up slightly with some dodgy frame rates and a little bit extra lag)

DragonNinja

Someone from Sony either...
- Killed Gabe Newells Family
- used to be Gabe's school yard bully
- took a dump in his cereal
- ran over his dog
- taped over a movie/show he was looking forward to watch
to be giving Sony the shit end of stick.

Octo1

@MuffinMan0:
[www.1up.com]

Dragon_Warrior

Valve as a company is a failure as they don't support their product and they constantly show hate towards the PS3 platform..

Valve's products due to their poor quality on PS3, I'll not be buying from them.

TheApprentice

my bf got a copy of the orange box... and just traded it in to gamestop. no royalties for you valve! mwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ...ah.

bialia

@screenfan: Goodbye my friend...

XeroKool

I own the PS3 version but I couldn't help but laughing when I heard this.

It was obvious this was going to happen. I wish I had a good PC to run good games. I can't even run Half Life 2! >_>

CrimsonFox13

Who cares. You should of bought this for the PC in the first place.

Diesel_Power

It really sucks that people who enjoy the game on the PS3 have to have this happen to them... but I suppose that's what happens when EA publishes a game from a company that doesn't even have any internal development from that developer.

Kaizuden

Wow, I feel totally shafted, now. Thanks Valve. Thanks EA.

PissedPS3Fan

Perhaps they should have spent a bit more time making the system more developer friendly?

Although this is Valve, unless you're PC, you're going to have to work damn hard to get a good deal.

Gofthick

@screenfan: What have you done?

FP_slomo788

@DragonNinja: Because he is hardcore man.

JohnnyHash

Who cares, why would you buy a valve game on console? Especially since it was ported by EA.

MurlocCake

Hell, I thought people would have realized by now that the PC version is better, and have scrapped the console versions...

Well, it IS part of the Orange Box, which has Portal...so I guess there's logic in that.

NeonLight

@DragonNinja:
Surely you jest good sir. With a product as good as this "Orange Box" 3 is a perfectly reasonable number.

skelator316

Somehow the idea of L4D on PS3 becomes less and less enticing... On the other hand, I'm addicted to free online play. *Sighs*

FP_slomo788

Why does valve hate the ps3 so much?
I love the ps3, and Valve loves me. So therefore, Valve should love the ps3!

Either way, I own it on the pc, so I don't care that much.

MuffinMan0

@DragonNinja: Maybe he got review/promo copies.

And stop calling him Shirley.

Tetelestia

Well, that's a drag. :( It seems the PS3 got shafted.

Again.

Omata

You know what? Forget Valve. I was even going to go so far as to rebuy TF2 for my laptop just to play online. But if they're going to completely abandon one of the releases?

I dunno, this irrtates me more than an exclusive would. With an exclusive we don't get the game. With this, we wasted money as we're not getting what everyone else gets. I call bullshit.

Setzer IIDX

Inb4 RROD etc

screenfan

ps3 is getting the shaft

last_dread

I think its clear for all to see that the PS3 is valve's console of choice. . .

3Sixty

I think my "Surprise" reaction is missing. No, it's still there... Guess I just saw this one coming. Oh well, I'll play it all on PC.

GlibGamer

This does not surprise me. At all.

LastFace

lol, sucks.

Mr.DuckSauce

Why in gods name would you buy all 3 versions, surely one is enough?

DragonNinja

I'm sure you PS3-only people will survive. Hell, I haven't even downloaded the heavy update on PC yet. I never quite understood how Shadowrun was ripped to bits for only having 9 maps, yet TF2's original 6 were a-ok.

Wolfers

This is bull shit. It seriously is. Valve, we're customers too, and we deserve to be treated like customers...not just left on the wayside.

Amazon_Chris

@Diesel_Power: They should've released only for the PC in the first place if they were going to screw people in the process. @Octo1:

ittekimasu

I hope it's worth it to Valve to infuriate the whole PS fan base to the point that people like me will never buy another one of their products again. GG Valve.

pot3ntial2suck

@ NoahIdea, Daisuash and others to come
Again, PS3 version was developed/ported by one of the EA's internal teams. Valve had nothing to do with PS3 version, except letting guys from EA use their source files of Xbox/PC version.
So you're mad at how shitty your PS3 version of OB performs? You're mad about an inexistent support & game updates?-> EA customer service is the right place to bitch at.

neojam

EA and Valve . Two great shits that taste shittier together.

KSPRAYDAD

@TheApprentice: That's a pretty blatant lie to say that Valve doesn't support their products. Buy the true version of a Valve game, aka the PC one and not a console port, and you'll see some of the best support in the world and it will keep coming for years. The one exception to that is Day of Defeat: Source, and that's because they ruined it by trying to make it more like CS than the original DoD and it sold like shit because of it. But even in that case they still tried to fix it years after release.

Valve is a PC developer first, and handles their products in a way that a PC developer should. The PC version, the version that they envisioned at the start, gets love before everything else. Anything that comes to consoles is an afterthought for the most part since it doesn't help their core audience, which is the PC gaming crowd. They aren't like Epic, who built their reputation on PC games, and were worshiped by PC gamers, just to turn around and give the big fuck you to them by coming close to all but ditching PC development and doing the opposite of what Valve does in terms of support.

unruly

Well you can't say you didn't see this coming.

Quicksilver4648

This is exactly why I got the Steam version of the game. Fast, free updates.

Cloral

I <3 Valve! Keep up the good work, guys! =D

kladkain

You know, I really feel cheated! And hated. Just because I bought a PS3.. does that mean I should be hated by Valve? I mean, come on guys!! What did we ever do to you but loyally buy your game?? This is pretty childi--

Woa one sec... I don't even have a PS3!! I went with the Microsoft Xbox 360 Entertainment System! Oh yeah, duh! *slap*

This is not my nightmare..
Whew!

DHX

Maybe it's time for Sony to start sending pizzas and hookers to Gabe Newell's house...and possibly a dump truck full of cheetos.

Nightshift Nurse: Mile High Colonic

@Đipic: Why?

"Valve simply has no PS3 manpower to speak of."

They've always been a PC-gaming company first, console second. Are you not familiar with the problems surrounding the difficulty of use concerning the PS3 SDK?

If you want to get it for a console, the more power to you. Why you would purposefully get an inferior copy of the game, especially when the damn thing will run on a $400 laptop though, is beyond me. Calling a company who is releasing free, significant, updates for a game, when it could easily be charging money for those updates or just be sitting on its ass greedy and lazy is also beyond me.

Lightman

@Luckyjim: The Orange Box for the PS3 was an EA port. Valve didn't want to release it on the PS3 to begin with

hitokirimaru

@Daisuash: Why, exactly, should they waste their time (and time = money, so when you see time read money) on a product when the vast majority of their player base uses another system? I don't really get why people don't understand this. They are running a business, wasting time on resources on what is really a niche market is counter intuitive to how a business should be run.

danecy

At least its better on the PC anyways. But that does suck.

Tilimorf

@TheApprentice: Valve a failure? HAH! PS3's a failure is more like it! Only game it has going for it is Little Big Planet.

magictroll

@tlozwarlock: They should have stuck to the PC and saved everyone from this flood of tears.

Spacehog85

i knew this was coming many months ago when Valve first announced the first wave of TF2 updates for PC. sadly the PS3 gets the shaft again. since i expected this, i traded in my PS3 copy and bought a used 360 copy the same day i bought my 360 a few weeks ago.
so take that Valve: reselling one copy and re-buying a used copy. in a lame, half-assed kinda way- i guess i'm really stickin' it to to them (not really).
life goes on i guess :(

laser beams

@TheApprentice: Valve being a failure as a company is the best friggin thing ive heard all day. thanks for that.

Spacehog85

Yet more evidence that Valve has no idea how to treat its customers on the console side of things.

Valve should hire some PS3 devs.

Ok, that's it! Time to bash Valve's throne-sitter. Gabe Newell, and by association, Valve, is an elitist asshole that doesn't make any effort to create a level playing field for customers (aka gamers). He reminds me of this 40 year old man that owns, runs, and competes in a Magic: The Gathering shop in town. Holier-than-thou, self-centered, and nerdy-eccentric in that bad sorta way.

tlozwarlock

Gabe Newell: "Absolutely. I think [PS3 is] a waste of everybody's time. Investing in the Cell, investing in the SPE gives you no long-term benefits. There's nothing there that you're going to apply to anything else. You're not going to gain anything except a hatred of the architecture they've created. I don't think they're going to make money off their box. I don't think it's a good solution."

What did you guys expect

tooji

@Wolfers: That's because TF2 costed a fraction of what Shadowrun did, and was the sequel to a beloved classic.

Ashurahori

@Octo1: Or made Gabe Newell fat... don't forget that.

goddessakasha

@Chunky-MonkeyLOL: Are you insinuating something?

Ahsayuni

TF2 should only be played on PC anyway, but i hope this doesnt turn into a trend of on one platform a game is supported on another its not.

Rambonz

I really never understood all the bashing of the PS3 port of Orange Box, I thought it ran great. I saw very little issue with frame rates while playing HL2 and Portal + TF2 ran fine. Maybe I'm just not that picky, who knows.

Regardless, I'm just glad I got a chance to play them since I don't have a PC or XBox.

gadjet

PC is the future!

Mqmq4190

@screenfan: I still don't find these comments ban-worthy... ah well :/

Ichidou

great. i traded my 360 orange box for a ps3 one...>.> what's a girl to do? ::stares at the SONY sky::

maverickudo

@MurlocCake:
I bought orange box for PS3 for a number of reasons:
1) Don't have a PC powerful enough to run it.
2) Live in Japan, and got burned on buying the original Xbox
3) Rather enjoy my PS3.
4) My TV is 36 inches. My Computer has a 12 inch screen.

Does that mean that I should be shat upon just because I prefer gaming on my TV with a console than on a computer?

I can't imagine that it's that hard to find someone to update assets / tweak code in the PS3 version. It's not like they have to write the whole engine from scratch (as EA already did that).

Imagine how much more of an outcry there would be if valve decided to give all the updates to the Xbox and PS3, but ignored the PC version.

ハリセンボン

Half-Life & Portal are the real stars of the Orange Box, lest you all forget.

Melee Is Best

@JohnnyHash: Or an amazingly stupid man... you're probably right.

PatMan33

Wow, talk about a kick in the teeth.

ProdigalMoon

It is a shame Valve got into the console market. Before Valve was near perfection when it comes to lead by example, now they have releases on the Xbox 360 and PS3 dragging their name through the mud... Mostly their releases on the PS3 :(

I'd rather they just not support consoles at all than half ass it and make themselves look bad.

Aex

As long as they NEVER merge servers with PC gamers, I'm cool.

SushiNinja

They don't have the manpower then they don't have the manpower.If it bothers you that much,vote with the wallet on future Valve purchases.That's the best that can be done.

enewtabie(Future LittleBigPlanet Master Creationist)

@Kirbysuperstar: Yeah, this really bites. I would get a 360 if I knew it wouldn't explode or something, but I'm just not willing to lay down 400$ on a potential bomb.

Also, I wanted games that were on the PS3 (GT is a must for me) so I bought one of those. Now Valve are saying we're being shafted. It isn't nice to know, especially because TF2 is such a fucking kickass game.

Anyone know if RROD is actually still an issue on the 360, out of curiosity?

PlayerX

@Setzer IIDX: Can I just point out.. Valve didn't develop Orange Box for the PS3..

How on earth is this surprising that they won't be providing additional content to a game they did not develop? They wouldn't have any PS3 development tools.

Your beef is with EA.

Passa

@tooji: Idk, respect for their customers?

Turambar

TF2 is a damn fine PC game anyway. you PS3 players are welcome on our servers.

AryzonaBay

Did... did any of you actually read the damn article? They don't have enough people to handle the PS3 version, and EA won't do it.

shadydentist

@Turambar: Or rather I should ask did EA make that statement since some have made the argument support for the PS3 version should be EA's responsibility, not Valve's. Either way, you're ended with shafted customers who have the right to be pretty pissed right now.

Turambar

Man I have seenpeople poke with the spy and I have seen stabings. I could never stab. How do you stab?

lostinseganet

With all things said, I need to ask, did Valve ever make it explicit that they will not support the PS3 version with updates when the port was first done? If not, this is pretty much a dick move no matter how you try to rationalize it. Someone bought a product and expects it to receive the same support as the other versions. There's nothing wrong with that line of thought.

Turambar

@xBlackwolf: Yes, a crapton of people are still playing tf2. There are at least 20-60 full servers at all times on the PC version.

PATSCRU

@omses: My PS3 is hooked up to a 1080p projector and 100" screen. My PC (even though it could run this) isn't.

Doshu

The PS3 version wasn't that great anyways.

Go 360!

Darth_X

Considering that Gabe called the PS3 "a waste of everybody's time", I'm not too surprised.

Rubezh

@incazteca:

"I still don't understand why all these console fanboys are whining."

Because they paid good money for a half-assed port? I don't understand why PC fanboys think their opinions are the only valid ones.

superberg

PROTIP: GET THE F'N PC VERSION.

PATSCRU

This is the reason why I never purchased this game.

I loved HL, HL2 and TFC. But the shoddy treatment of the PS3 version made it a total non-buy for me.

I hope Doug chokes on his next baby.

Doshu

Valve just seems to love kicking sand in Sony's eyes. Maybe Sony didn't give Gabe an invite to the X-mas party but he just has his eyes set on not trying to improve Sony and Valve relations. I mean I can play my friends Orange Box on his 360 but I would really not like to be dependent on such.

TheNexusRebound

lol, people still play TF2?

Give me the same news six months ago and maybe i would of felt Gabe Newell's shaft

xBlackwolf

PS3 support for the Orange Box is EA's responsibility, not Valve's.

XbhaskarX

It's not right that 360 owners get the updates but PS3 owners don't. It's a good thing that I bought the Orange Box for the PC, that's where it's meant to be played anyway.

ST19AG_WGreymon

They do the same thing for the Mac side.
In a delicious, scrumptious, delightful and welcome beat-down by the agents of karma, however, there are perfectly functioning pirated copies of Half-Life 2, Portal and TF2 running spectacularly under the Cider emulation with no reported issues or conflicts.

It's ironic that a bunch of kiddie hackers working weekends for free could do what Newall claimed was impossible: get Valve games to run in non-Microsoft developing environments.

So, because of Gabe's hostility of all that's not Microsoft, Valve missed a year-old window of opportunity where Mac users would have happily bought their products in droves.
Now that there's a free alternative - one that runs great, despite Newall's protestations that it'd be impossible - it looks like they walked away from a pile of cash.

I suspect the same situation existed with PS3: lots of whining, little commitment and opportunities left to turn fallow.

Trai_Dep

@Pornosaur: And what part of my dialogue gave you the impression that I meant "EVERY KOTAKU READER" when I say community, as much as just the fact that I used the term 'community' when referencing a problem that lies within the PS3 user base 'community'? I'm wondering why if you don't particularly care about if Valve/EA ports these features, as that you don't consider yourself a part of this issue, that you choose to comment on it? A majority of the people in these comments would also steer you away also. When Kotaku posts an article like this, it isn't meant to be a breeding ground for PC elitists VS the console or PS3 fanboys, it is a moral meeting ground for gamers to voice their collective opinions about an issue that matters to them. If it doesn't matter to you, then don't accuse me of being out of line. I wasn't addressing you with the comment.

CitizenInsane27

Seeing that pic and the 1st part of the headline made me think we were getting news on the sniper or spy updates... Damn you for playing with my emotions :(

LunchBox55

@PATSCRU: DING DING!! Get this man the prize of one internet! :)

fumar

@Đipic: I don't believe I'm acting as a fanboy as much as just a gamer wondering what is holding Valve back from being a more widespread company besides their blatant biases against foreign (to them, I think ONLY to them at this point) operating systems and hardware.

CitizenInsane27

@lostinseganet:

1.Pull out knife (default #3 in the PC version)
2.Get directly behind target
3.Place knife in target's back

fumar

@Octo1: I'm beginning to believe the same with all the hate Gabe Newell has for Sony's box that can be seen even by those who are vision impaired.

Not entirely sure why Valve simply doesn't invest in employees who can work with the machine or perhaps open the development kits that have been collecting dust in their office, since they were sent by Sony.

B33

@hitokirimaru:

They still profited from it though. Does that not strike you as a little unethical.

Luckyjim

@GlibGamer: Yeah, I would never even think of playing a Valve product on any other platform but the PC. Just for TF2 I would miss out on all the 3rd party maps, SourceMod mods, dedicated servers, and all those little tweaks and plugins that we've come to expect from a Source engine server.

fumar

This is fucking retarded. I own both the steam and the PS3 versions and a lot of my co-workers only own the PS3 one so now I cant play any of the new stuff with them.

crummer

Thatr is complete bull, I feel so sorry for ps3 owners. I own the steam version lucky for me. I think valve needs to refund about 20 bucks to those people who bought the game.

Allcars

@ChaosBahamut: my point exactly.

i'm going to be using integrated graphics on any pc,
considering how that's what they come with and i'm not buying it for games.

sucks that no one would hook up the ps3 version of this game with updates,
but i would rather have it for pc anyway unless my junk won't run it.

snowlock

If Sony sent Valve fifty PS3 developers, all would be forgiven by Big-Bone Gabe. Anyway, I was more excited about their Wii talk in the interview.

ThaiGrocer

@Omata: and again, and again, and again...if the PS3 had an anus it would be the size of a hockey rink.

Seiven

@shadydentist: Yeah, I understood that much, but how much money does Valve make on a regular basis? And how long is that going to go on before they expand that business?

CitizenInsane27

@NoahIdea:
Or... they're that small of a company that they don't have the manpower to work on the ps3 port?

shadydentist

@Turambar: I'm sure if EA could get the rights and code to do the port patches, they would, they have the resources. But Valve probably just doesn't care.

CitizenInsane27

This is definitely one of those mixed bag situations. I initially was going to get orange box for the ps3 when it came out but after checking the reviews and looking at all the issues it had I ended up picking it up for the PC.

It's understandable for many ps3 owners to feel shafted because of this development but its just one of those things that comes with the business. Stories like this and the DRM issues of Spore definitely promote the "buyer beware" mentality that has become more prevalent in the industry. There's nothing one could do but accept it and show your discontent by choosing not to buy.

cegikma: PSN

@PATSCRU: PROTIP: DON'T FORCE YOUR CUSTOMERS TO BUY THE EXACT SAME PRODUCT TWICE. IT'S USUALLY BAD FOR BUSINESS.

Turambar

@Darth_X: Ugh. McWhertor? Is anyone monitoring this kind of thing anymore?

CitizenInsane27

@magictroll: PS3 has a rather extensive line up that goes deeper than LittleBigPlanet.

B33

Disappointing, Valve.

Guess i'll just have to keep pinching pennies so i can play your games on my PC...

not_tom_brokaw

I kind of saw this happen, poor PS3 fans, I just hope they still release the ones on 360 and soon cause I dont know if I can keep saving my MS Points.

HELLSRIDER

Developing TF2 for the PS3 was a bad decision, purchasing it for that system even more so.

In conclusion, HA!

bluntrauma

@Đipic: I know that a lot of us PC guys come off as asshats for the way we prop up the PC, but at least for me, it honestly come down to feeling bad for the gamers that miss out on such great gaming experiences on the PC. So many people out there own a PC but most of them don't realize how easy and cheap it can be to upgrade it to a gaming PC, it really is a shame.

As for Valve, they really are a PC developer and their console stuff just isn't as big of a deal for them. I think they look at it as icing on the cake. So in their case, it honestly is always best to buy their PC versions when you can. You just get more for your $$$.

LunchBox55

Jeez, that's some serious hate.

HoxtonHero

EA will probably trash the game even more if they did the updates.. they suck at porting games to the PS3.

GRECS

OH SNAPS! I got the PC version anyway.

Darrisbob1

Not to piss anyone off, but PC is easily the best version because it is:

A. Steam-based
B. Garry's Mod
C. Updates we get (amirite?)
D. User created content (I came across some very fun maps online that are not avaliable on PS3 or Xbox)
E. In-game text chat
D. Most of the PC gamers are mature online, however very immature on live or psn...

Algerian

@B33: Extensive does not equal good. I've owned a PS3 since February and it's been pretty much collecting dust waiting for Little Big Planet. MGS4 is crap and totally over-hyped and that's the only exclusive worth mentioning. Since I already own a 360, I'm just looking at exclusives...

magictroll

How is this Valve's fault in any way,shape, or form?! Put the blame where it belongs,WITH EA!

Sugaray

@CitizenInsane27: they won't expand unless PS3 stomps the 360 into the ground, and if that happens it won't be for awhile.

INDIGOVENOM

@Turambar: they said they hate the PS3 and will not support it. hence they have no PS3 manpower. no one at their company can work on the PS3. they refuse to adopt new things

INDIGOVENOM

@Gofthick: imo this has nothing to do with that. this is just a dumb company. why would you not put a little extra money into another system. its only going to make them more money. they would be richer if they put more effort into the PS3. no the PS3 doesn't have a larger install base but, it still has more than 9 million people playing. thats money. if i owned a game company and i know people wanted my game, i would put it on every system i could and make it as good as possible. I can't respect a company that would just throw away one of their titles to some other company to develop. i want my shit to look good on anything its on. valve is the real loser in this situation.

INDIGOVENOM

@Turambar: Jesus christ you're fucking retarded. Valve did not make the PS3 version. So any updates or patches the game would've or has received were out of their hands. Notice how the PS3 one has EA's logo on it and the PC and 360 version does not.

skewt

I'd complain, but I have the PC version, so this time I'll just look down on the console-version purchasers and laugh like Nelson Muntz.

Frank

@Turambar: Or get more than one console+ a PC and you can choose the best experience instead of yelling in all caps that you bought the worst option and you're upset.

skewt

@MuffinMan0:
Because they are very familiar with the Microsoft's SDK, not Sony's SDK. They are simply outsourcing the port to EA, and it seems this time EA is not willing to continue the process.

m-p{3}

gabe's fat ass needs to get shanked

plasticgonads

Why would you buy games from a such militant developer? Honestly it's like they never stopped working at Microsoft with their mentality. Makes me glad I didn't buy the Orange Box for any platform. :)

Mongoosekun

@PlayerX: ITs only 200$ not 400 unless you buy the elite.

Haber

@Setzer IIDX:
You buy an EA product, expect EA-quality support and treatment.

One day you shall learn...DO NOT TRUST EA.

Darkest Daze

@FP_slomo788: TF2 for PC is $19.99 and last I checked I don't pay a dime to play online on the PC.

It does suck for the PS3 crowd (and the 360 crowd too for that matter...those 360 TF2 patches are nowhere to be seen yet) but it's EA...wtf do you expect?

Sandvich

They didn't like the PS3 from the beginning, there's no reason they're going to start now.

Tcata

@skewt: Interesting, considering I never explicitly blamed Valve in that post, alluded to EA being responsible in my follow up post, and merely asked if the customers were warned of the complete lack of updates for the PS3 version in both cases, since in the end, they're the ones that gets shafted.

Way to read there.

Turambar

@skewt: Ironically, I have the PC version and the caps were merely to emulate PATSCRU's original post.

Turambar

@TheApprentice: I should have said they fail to support PS3 products.
I know they outsourced it to EA, but they totally neglected any support to work out the kinks etc.

I mean if I were valve and I had my game launching and knew it was so buggy I would aid in solving the problems so that my game would be enjoyable and have less problems.

There hate towards PS3 is very unprofessional in every regard.

TheApprentice

@Diesel_Power: @Diesel_Power: @Octo1:

Actually, Gabe was a huge Dreamcast fan...

The SmacK

Its funny how everybody is throwing Valve under the bus even though they made some of the greatest games ever.

Haber

to valve team: get EA to do it.

iRloading

@MurlocCake: Because not everyone has a gaming capable PC or a 360. I've never been a PC gamer but i wanted so bad to try Half Life 2 and Portal so I decided the PS3 was my saving grace. And why it shouldn't be?

I never woould've thought that Valve games on consoles are just MEANT to suck or something (xbox is more PC than console, at least more than a PS3).

Alex_Mexico

dam and i just bought it for PS3.
Well this f'kin sucks.........
Please lets just hope for the best.
For the record im just an enthusiastic gamer who owns 3 next gens' with little money to buy games,......but does anyway.>also pc is shitty, so its free mmo's here.

usermike

@Sugaray:

Because people are unable to read the article and then realize that EA not Valve should be blamed for the lack of updates.

fastitocalon

@TheApprentice: Sorry, the PS3 has been much more the failure than Valve has. I like my PS3 somewhat, but Valve has been far more successfull overall than the PS3. Dumb statement.

fearing

@Setzer IIDX: Valve had nothing to do with the PS3 release in the first place. They didn't make it, so why would they update it? EA wanted it made so they farmed it out to someone else. It's EA's responsibility if they want it updated.

fearing

@INDIGOVENOM: At the time the development began Sony didn't even have dev kits sent to developers. The PS3 is also difficult to program for, likely they would have to have a special set of the assets for just it. They also need to recode the whole engine from the ground up. This costs money, don't forget dev-kit prices, and expecially the expensive disc pressing costs for Blu-Ray at the time. All in all, it would not have earned Valve any money, in fact the'd probably have lost money.

zPhreak

@plasticgonads: BANNED.

Anyone else want to make fun of someone's weight or make threats?

Try reading the article, before you comment too. Works wonders.

Spoony Bard

You did it once.

[kotaku.com]

Do it again, only right this time.

RaepGoblin

Valve: Eat a fuck.

I will now not be paying money for Left 4 Dead, maybe I'll borrow a friend's.

RaepGoblin

@goddessakasha: Is it just me, or are vowels disappearing from random posts?

t3hye11owdart

Why so much hate for the ps3 in Valve...

Cufol33tcat

Dear PS3 Users,

"Cry some more!" :)

SleighBoy

PC for the win.

Unstop

@Octo1: it does seem that way doesn't it?

man, it sucks some developers aren't giving the ps3 any respect.

in this case, im just glad im not a TF2 fan, or i'd be choked.

joeloliol

Gabe doesn't use phony euphemisms, if something sucks, he says it. That's a refreshing and good thing since their criticism is always constructive and accurate.

360 DLC sucks because they force you to use their horrendous model. DX10 sucks because nobody's using it. The PS3 DEVELOPMENT (not the console itself) sucks since it is unnecessary complicated. I guess no developer disagrees with that.

Valve knows that you can't stretch quality over 5 different platforms and expect it to be good. You have to focus. Valve makes excellent PC games.

There are console-only companies I love and I'd never blame them for saying that what they're doing doesn't work on the PC.

lumpi

I'm starting to not like Valve. Why cant they just hire some in house PS3 devs surely its not that hard/expensive. Oh well guess I'll just go back to using steam but I would do it with a frown on my face.

Cue2

I find it funny that Valve is too lazy to program on the PS3 :P "oh noz, new system with new technology! WE'LL HAVE TO LEARN AGAIN TO PROGRAM ON IT!! AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" lol. Oh well, I don't blame them for being lazy. I'm lazy myself.

Viciouschan

I'm glad I didn't buy it then :) I might have picked this up 2nd hand, just for portal and TF2 but i'll draw a line under it now.

mooseman721

If EA ports the updates i will forgive them for all the wrong they have done. Please EA, port it now!!(and for free)

VenomIreland

I think i´m the only one on this, but i find the disemvowel thing really annoying...

@danecy: Sorry, i can´t read your reply, the javascript is messed up or my browser, i don´t know...

Daisuash

@PlayerX: RROD isn't much of an issue anymore. The new price drop a month ago also came with the new chips to cool the thing better and supposedly, according to Microsoft, stop RROD's from actually, you know, RROD-ing

Curb_Smackage

@Setzer IIDX: If you play FPS on console, you don't have to wait for the developer to screw you because you're already screwing yourself.

Preferences aside, like many people have already said... Valve didn't even make the game for ps3, it was ported by EA. So how in the world is it Valve's fault that you're not getting updates?

phor11

@TheApprentice: Well I have a PS3, but still buy all my valve games on Steam to play on my PC (wayyy cheaper, better controls, constant updates).
Besides they didnt develop the PS3 version of Orange Box EA did...

AnhoGrande

If EA's in charge of this I don't expect it. We might see it down the road but for a price$.

boots555

@Viciouschan: So it's ok to expect them to spend a ton of time/money getting a ps3 version out there (which they probably wouldn't have made any money on), but it's not ok to expect you to spend ~$800 putting together a computer so you can play the game as it was meant to be played?
/boggle

phor11