editorial
What Can Games Teach Us About The Election?
Posted by Stuart Houghton at 3:00 AM on September 24, 2008
With just 42 days left until the United States chooses its 44th President, it is vital that the electorate is well versed in the key issues affecting the country.
Although many cultural commentators bemoan the lack of political engagement in the general population, and both the Democrat and Republican campaigns have condemned video games as a negative influence on the young, the fact is that gamers have a significant advantage in understanding the complexities of the Presidency. By playing games across a wide spectrum of genres, a gamer can experience first hand the tough decisions and burning questions that will test the leader of the free world.
Can the same be said for the candidates themselves? Far from condemning video gaming, McCain and Obama would do well to embrace gaming culture in the hope that some of our collective wisdom will rub off.
This will not be easy. Obama will have to flipflop on numerous anti-games speeches, while McCain must contend with long hours of advisors patiently re-explaining that a 'computy-game' is a sort of electric coconut shy or bagatelle.
With access to the right games, however, both candidates can learn a great deal. Lets take a look at some of the key issues dividing the McCain and Obama camps, and some of the games that can help shine some much needed light upon them.
Experience to lead:
Key games: World of Warcraft, Hunting Unlimited 2008

Does 5 years as a POW (and half a lifetime of not wanting to go on about it) qualify a man for the Presidency? How about years working as a lawyer? Many pundits say that the issue of experience is a red herring - that there is no appropriate experience that can be brought to bear on the most powerful job in the world. No previous job can even come close to the skill set required to be the POTUS.
These pundits have clearly never played World of Warcraft.
A president must be prepared to make hard choices when it comes to assembling his or her cabinet. Secretary of State, Attorney General, Secretaries of Education,Transportation, Agriculture - those appointed to cabinet-level posts set the political tone for an administration and it is vital that a president considers the talents, aptitudes and connections of all the potential appointees.
In other words, if the Prez can assemble and run a WoW guild, they are good to go. Just make sure not to acquire a mount while in office - this can result in a serious Mark of Honour deficit, as Bill Clinton found out to his cost.
As Moose Hunting is apparently a key issue in Election '08, Hunting Unlimited 2008 could provide the perfect way for a candidate or voter to ground themselves in the basics. Animal lovers may still have to make up stories about blizzards and poor breeding populations to cover up their lack of fireplace-mounted trophies, but at least after playing HU'08 they will be able to bluff convincingly about 'stopping power' and 'Dewlaps'.
Foreign policy:
Key Games: Missile Command, Civilization, Command & Conquer
Worried that you may not have traveled extensively enough, or had enough experience on the world stage? Unsure how to balance a tanking economy with the need to push onwards into Asia before a rival starts building Pyramids all over the place?
Chillax, just grab a PC and binge on Civilization. Pro tip — get the DOS version. You can run it at double speed in a DOS emulator and it will be like having knowledge injected into your brain, just like in The Matrix.
A few Civ campaigns should be enough for a basic grounding in the subtle nuances of international relations. The tech progress tree might also give a greater understanding of science although beware — if the candidates heed the game's advice too closely, Wall Street may reel from the unexpected national investment in Pottery and Burial Rituals.
A Civ player quickly learns the importance of a stable economy to a war effort. It's no good throwing phalanx after phalanx at a conquered land if your advisors are telling you to build more granaries, after all. Better to focus on diplomacy, and maybe build a colossus or two to keep the plebes happy back home.
If diplomacy fails - or is nudged into failure in the name of conquest - the President needs to be prepared for the worst. The Command and Conquer series will teach even the most tin-eared would be strategist the basics of resource management and how it is not a good idea to go to war on more than one front.
And if conventional warfare is not enough? Missile Command is still the greatest depiction in any media of the terrible endgame of nuclear war. The inevitability of destruction, the loss of entire cities beneath the terrifying onslaught of ICBMs and — above all else — the need to order extra trackball lube for the NORAD Command Centre as a day one priority.
Health Care:
Key games: Theme Hospital, Trauma Center: Under The Knife
Trauma Centre is a quick way to get down n' dirty with the sharp end of surgery while Theme Hospital should be used as a basic training tool for anyone concerned with the administrative side medicine - how else can one learn to manage a Bloaty Head pandemic or cope with the budgetary demands of a Hairyitis outbreak?
After playing these games candidates may see the need not only for socialized public health care, but an incentivized 'mission based' performance system for surgical staff. They may also make a case for least tripling the Federal research into a cure for Gangliated Utrophin Immuno Latency Toxin.
Genetic Research:
Key games: Bioshock, Resident Evil
Stem cell research and the manipulation of the human genome may be presented in the Mainstream Media as a controversial, nuanced subject but, as any half-serious gamer knows, there are only two possibilities when you start tweaking DNA - superhuman abilities or rampaging mutant hordes.
Forget gene therapy or regrowing limbs or any of that positive health benefits stuff. Equally, put aside any thought of ethical complications, the sanctity of life, eugenics, yadda yadda yadda. This is the coin, and here are the two available sides: Superpowers, or Zombie Holocaust.
Happily, once again, gaming cuts through the issues and shows a clear plan of action. No matter how stringent the ethical guidelines or how strictly monitored the research, video games show us that there will always be some shadowy multinational corporation creating their own private army of deathless gene-freaks.
The plan, therefore, is simple - develop superpowers to fight the zombies. What could go wrong?
Religion:
Key games: Black & White, Too Human
For the purposes of becoming president of the USA, God definitely exists. It is essentially impossible for an Atheist or Agnostic to sit in the Oval Office and a good grounding in basic theology is essential for anyone taking part in the election.
Luckily, video games are all about the God. Most video game characters do not have the luxury of doubt on matters spiritual - the evidence for the existence of a supreme being or beings is just too great.
There is of course a whole genre of God Games - thanks to Black and White we know that not only does God exists, but that He is A Huge Gorilla Thing That Chucks Boulders Around. Not only does the Lord intervene in mortal affairs, He is liable to do so via the medium of lightning and singed buttocks.
If Too Human has taught us anything (apart from the obvious lessons about counting unhatched chickens, marketing-wise) it is that God is not just great - he is great at kicking arse. Providing he can work out the controls and level up quickly enough.
Evolution versus Intelligent Design:
Key games:Spore
Once again, games show their ability to end a controversy by pouring oil on the troubled waters of debate. Spore can show the most devout creationist that the mechanisms of evolution can work. Conversely, a dyed-in-the-wool evolutionist would still have to concede that things work out a lot better when there is a mouse-wielding Intelligent Designer in the background.
Spore means that schools no longer have to merely teach the controversy - they can play it. Just don't mention the, er, more creative Spore creatures - poly-cocked bollock goblins do not play well in the flyover states and could seriously harm a candidate's chances with the moral majority.
Energy and Climate Change:
Key games: Carmageddon, SSX Tricky
As we all know, Peak Oil is coming and will soon plunge the world into a Mad Max-style apocalypse where central casting punks joust from within custom deathmobiles. This is accepted scientific fact - what is needed is some way of making this scenario seem more real.
Carmageddon is perhaps best viewed not as a trashy Death Race 2000 ripoff, but as an interactive documentary about the effects of the energy crisis. Even better, the game's title would look great on a Fox News ticker.
On the other hand - maybe its not all bad? A successful president may have to accept the inevitability of climate disaster and accentuate the positive. What better way to welcome a new Ice Age than on the back of a snowboard? The world may be turning into a snow cone, but that's no reason not to catch some mad air.

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HaydenTenno
Posted 3:23 AM 24/9/08
Obama is all about socialism and communism. You're entitled to the fruits of your labor, be it working at Wal-Mart or owning your own business. It's not okay to take from the rich, just because not everyone is rich. That is the typical Robin Hood socialist message that is hurting us as a country. We have more poor people now with all these government programs than when my mother and father were young. We make the people dependent on the government, and they feed off of us, the tax payers, then they don't do anything, and we only become more and more of a welfare state.
Now, let's take a look at some of these quotes, shall we?
"I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets." - Barack Obama
"The distinguishing feature of communism is not the abolition of property generally, but the abolition of bourgeois property." -Karl Marx & Friedrich Engels, The Communist Manifesto
"When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society's stifling constraints." - Barack Obama
"They (Americans) are not my people!" -S. Ann Soetoro (Obama's Mother)
"The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied." -Jeremiah Wright
"When Obama's enemies find out that in 1984 I went to Tripoli" to visit Col. Mu'ammar Al-Qadhafi with Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, "a lot of his Jewish support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell." -Jeremiah Wright
"America is still the No. 1 killer in the world." -Jeremiah Wright
"Here's a guy [William Ayers] who does something despicable when I'm eight years old … I haven't seen the guy in a year and a half … He and I know each other." -Barack Obama
"I don't regret setting bombs. I feel we didn't do enough." -William Ayers, spoke during an interview on September 11th, 2001.
"Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at." -William Ayers
"Everything was absolutely ideal on the day I bombed the Pentagon."
-William Ayers
"The truth is most Americans don't want much. Folks don't want the whole pie. Most Americans feel blessed to thrive a little bit, but that's out of reach for them. The truth is, in order to get things like universal health care and a revamped education system, someone is going to have to give up a piece of their pie so that someone else can have more." -Michelle Obama
Said a little more concisely... "Wealth is within the reach of the masses simply through the process of appropriation." -Che Guevara
"Democracy is the road to socialism."
-Karl Marx
"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people." -Karl Marx
"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." -Barack Obama
Obama quotes standard Marxist doctrine... "This is the moment when we must build on the wealth that open markets have created, and share its benefits more equitably." -Barack Obama
Again, Obama quotes well known collectivist talking points... "Globalization and technology and automation all weaken the position of workers, and a strong government hand is needed to assure that wealth is distributed more equitably." -Barack Obama
The following quotes are from Barack Obama's book, "Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance" published in 2004.
"I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites." -Barack Obama
"In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school ... I studied the Koran." -Barack Obama
"The person who made me proudest of all, though, was [half brother] Roy. He converted to Islam." -Barack Obama
"Lolo (Obama's step father) followed a brand of Islam ... I looked to Lolo for guidance." -Barack Obama
"I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race." -Barack Obama
It's okay, guys... believe the stump speech rhetoric they forcefeed you.
HaydenTenno
GrumpyJedi
Posted 3:22 AM 24/9/08
@DigitalHero: Are you saying that you'd like to be her intern?
GrumpyJedi
ServiceMaster
Posted 3:20 AM 24/9/08
@DigitalHero: THIS.
Namely, Sim City 2000. The hardest of the bunch! Though I doubt they could even play Sim City Societies.
ServiceMaster
Turambar
Posted 3:19 AM 24/9/08
I'm not sure if this is suppose to be a laugh piece or not...
Turambar
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
Posted 3:19 AM 24/9/08
@ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system:
Here:
"In certain ways, McCain was a natural Web candidate. Chairman of the Senate Telecommunications Subcommittee and regarded as the U.S. Senate's savviest technologist, McCain is an inveterate devotee of email. His nightly ritual is to read his email together with his wife, Cindy. The injuries he incurred as a Vietnam POW make it painful for McCain to type. Instead, he dictates responses that his wife types on a laptop. "She's a whiz on the keyboard, and I'm so laborious," McCain admits. "
From Forbes.
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
Đipic
Posted 3:17 AM 24/9/08
@Dragonzigg: The Iluminati working with conspiracy theorists to run the government? Now there's a conspiracy theory for you. :p
Đipic
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
Posted 3:16 AM 24/9/08
@raptorsrevenge:
@Đipic:
Perhaps you forgot his war injuries? He physically CAN'T use a computer, so his wife does the typing for him.
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
[ZTF]
Posted 3:15 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno: It's easy to make wildly unverifiable claims.
[ZTF]
beem
Posted 3:15 AM 24/9/08
They're just mad because they don't know how to play them (videogames). Elitist bastards. ;)
beem
ServiceMaster
Posted 3:14 AM 24/9/08
The candidates stay away from all media, really. They could stand to watch a few movies and shows, imo. Like V for Vendetta or 30 Rock!
Oh! And McCain - Fury Warrior, Obama - Resto Druid.
ServiceMaster
DigitalHero
Posted 3:14 AM 24/9/08
@Mister_Jack:
Our economy problem would be fixed if politicians took a course in SimCity. (or basic Elementary Math!) If you spend X amount of dollars when you have less than X puts you into a deficit.
DigitalHero
Luckyjim
Posted 3:14 AM 24/9/08
It would be interesting to see what both candidates would make of Animal Crossing's unique blend of agrarian capitalism.
Luckyjim
raptorsrevenge
Posted 3:13 AM 24/9/08
@ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system:
You must have him confused with someone else. [www.huffingtonpost.com]
raptorsrevenge
Dragonzigg
Posted 3:13 AM 24/9/08
Sitting here across the sea, it's kinda scary to watch an election that we can't change but will affect us hugely. I propose they play Deus Ex, just because I'd like to think the US Government is really run by conspiracy theorists and the Iluminati :P
Dragonzigg
HaydenTenno
Posted 3:13 AM 24/9/08
SHODAN = Obama! It's true, people! Look it up!
HaydenTenno
Đipic
Posted 3:12 AM 24/9/08
@ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system: Er, McCain has admitted himself that he doesn't know how to use a computer.
Đipic
Mister_Jack
Posted 3:12 AM 24/9/08
Our economy problem would be solved if these guys had enough gaming experience to know that all they had to do was hit Ctrl+Shift+C and then type in "MoreMoney"
Mister_Jack
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
Posted 3:10 AM 24/9/08
I'm very disappointed, Stuart. Your characterization of McCain as an old dude who has no idea what a computer is completely contradicts reality, where he's the head of the Senate's technology commitee and one of the most tech-savvy Senators around today. Seriously.
And for lolage, how about they play Fallout 3? You know, "just in case".
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
DigitalHero
Posted 3:09 AM 24/9/08
@raptorsrevenge:
Beauty and Brains are usually distant from each other. I never said I was voting for Palin. Re-read.
DigitalHero
animeman59
Posted 3:07 AM 24/9/08
As long as these canidates feel that other issues are more important than videogames, then I'll be happy.
We don't need some loser senator or president wasting the Congress' time on stupid videogame legislation.
animeman59
Schoolimangooli's backpack turns into a ham sandwich!
Posted 3:07 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno: The sky is falling.
Schoolimangooli's backpack turns into a ham sandwich!
raptorsrevenge
Posted 3:06 AM 24/9/08
@DigitalHero: And that's why you shouldn't be allowed to vote.
raptorsrevenge
raptorsrevenge
Posted 3:06 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno: Wow, really?
raptorsrevenge
Đipic
Posted 3:05 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno: I don't understand the comparison.
Đipic
DigitalHero
Posted 3:05 AM 24/9/08
I've registered to vote but I don't still have a concrete choice yet. Palin is hot though... =P
DigitalHero
sex-target
Posted 3:03 AM 24/9/08
Awesome article! I actually thought about politics while playing galaga at a local bar last night.
sex-target
HaydenTenno
Posted 3:03 AM 24/9/08
Obama = every enemy we've ever faced in a game.
HaydenTenno
Zenrick2.0
Posted 3:43 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno: Haha, You came prepared! I have also been reading a lot on Obama and seeing some of the stuff he has said is really scary. I think the number one reason should be scared enough not to vote for him is the fact that Oprah is backing him. That alone terrifies me...
Zenrick2.0
HaydenTenno
Posted 3:43 AM 24/9/08
@Mister_Jack: Lulz, typical race baiting. I'm actually from Pakistan.
HaydenTenno
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
Posted 3:43 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno:
don't forget the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
Mister_Jack
Posted 3:43 AM 24/9/08
@ServiceMaster: Tell me about it. I tried to make some cutbacks to avoid a deficit, but everyone kept on whining that they just HAD to have water and hospitals.
Mister_Jack
raptorsrevenge
Posted 3:41 AM 24/9/08
@ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system: *snicker, yeah just because he has his email read to him and he is on a Telecomm Subcommittee, he's suddenly able to comprehend the current digital age we live in. He's still illiterate on tech issues, he's never given a firm answer on Net Neutrality.
raptorsrevenge
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
Posted 3:41 AM 24/9/08
@I_Hate_This_Place:
O.o I knew most gamers leaned liberal but I underestimated the backlash this would create.
Dude, we both know the problems Big Mac has- alarming things about cap-and-trade, immigration, etc keep popping up. But for sure he's better than the alternative ;)
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
Mister_Jack
Posted 3:40 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno: You seem to have something against muslim people.
Mister_Jack
R0YB0T
Posted 3:40 AM 24/9/08
@R0YB0T:
Btw I am not saying we tax the rich 90%, but pointing out that during WW2 we did to help finance the war.
R0YB0T
superbagman
Posted 3:40 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno: So should I believe the jingoistic xenophobic rhetoric YOU are trying to force feed us instead? Cause most of those quotes are taken out of context or picked for inflammatory racist reasons on your part.
For the record, Islam is a religion not a group of terrorists. For you to quote someone saying that they studied the Koran or looked for guidance from someone who was Islamic isn't just small minded, it's bigotry.
superbagman
francoamerica
Posted 3:39 AM 24/9/08
@Turambar:
I was going to say the same thing. It's not quite funny enough to be a joke, but then it has almost no substance, practically containing antisubstance.
francoamerica
kingnothing997
Posted 3:39 AM 24/9/08
And this is why more people should have voted for Ron Paul in the primaries.
kingnothing997
R0YB0T
Posted 3:39 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno:
Please look up the US income tax history.
The rich have historically paid more income tax. they have the most expendable income. You can only ask for so much from poor to middle class people, and this huge monster we call our country needs to be fed from somewhere.
During times of war the rich have paid upwards of 90% of their income, no joke look up World War 2 income tax.
The neo-cons took over, and the rich paid significantly less taxes.
The solution I want is to get rid of the Federal reserve system entirely and abolish the income tax.
But if this system is not going to be destroyed, then it will only work if we tax the rich as much as we used to.
Obamas tax changes are this:
95% will pay less taxes, 4% will not see any difference, and the top 1% will pay slightly more.
The amount adjusted for the top 1% simply brings their tax rate back to the amount they were before the Bush Tax Cuts.
This is the only way this system even pretends to work. The rich must pay higher taxes, and spending has to decrease, or we have to abolish this system entirely.
If anything Obama is not taxing the top 1% enough. Like I said he is only bringing their taxes to pre Bush tax cut levels.
[taxprof.typepad.com]
"Warren Buffet Pays 17.7% Tax Rate; His Employees Pay 32.9%"
Something is not right here.
R0YB0T
Jason144
Posted 3:35 AM 24/9/08
"What Can Games Teach Us About The Election?"
That people tend to shout about things they actually have little knowledge about.
That people focus on the trivial matters while completely ignoring the more important things.
That people tend to ignore the more in-depth analysis for one-liners.
That people with a surprising amount of similarities tend to bitch about that two things they differ in.
Jason144
Hazzy
Posted 3:34 AM 24/9/08
@Mister_Jack: They already do that. It's called the Federal Reserve. :|
Hazzy
I_Hate_This_Place
Posted 3:34 AM 24/9/08
@raptorsrevenge: LOL. Because the huffington post is reliable *rolls eyes* That's the equivalent of a republican citing Rush Limbaugh as a factual source.
I_Hate_This_Place
I_Hate_This_Place
Posted 3:32 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno: Wow. I thought I was one of the only people on this site not blinded by Obama's televised speeches. Nice comment Hayden. Glad there are more commenters here who don't flock to the next political superstar. And no, I'm not republican, but I also will not be voting for Obama.
As a private business owner, I refuse to vote someone into office who plans on punishing me with more taxes if my business becomes extremely profitable. I put all the capital and financial risk in my business, I should get all the rewards. No one on welfare took any risks for my business, nor put any work into it. They shall not get any of the financial benefits from it either. The funny thing about that is it looks like greed, but it's not. I live in a 1 bedroom apartment with my wife, and I'm not rich at all. But the principle stands that if I were to become rich by my own means, no one but those I dictate should recieve the benefits of my hard work. Anyone who thinks they are entitled to anything, epsecially without working for it, needs to wake up.
I_Hate_This_Place
R0YB0T
Posted 3:27 AM 24/9/08
I have seen more similarities between console fanboys and political party fanboys than any other two groups.
So much emotional, irrational bullshit.
People completely blind, glossing over bad things, and glorifying insignificant issues.
People ignoring facts, eating up talking points and advertising just like a good obedient consumer should.
And just a complete lack of critical thinking on both sides. It is almost all partisan bullshit.
R0YB0T
DaPress
Posted 3:24 AM 24/9/08
@Turambar: I'm with you. Still kind of scratching my head over this story. Feels like I'm reading Gamesradar.
DaPress
Mister_Jack
Posted 4:03 AM 24/9/08
@ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system: What? That's like saying you can be a good doctor without wasting all that time in fancy pants "medical school"
Mister_Jack
janine
Posted 4:02 AM 24/9/08
"Hey Janine, why don't you get on Xbox Live more? You've been an avid gamer since Pong. Don't you want to interact with your fellow gamers?"
...see above...
janine
Friscodude
Posted 4:02 AM 24/9/08
I should of proof read my comment for grammar, my bad.
Friscodude
Kanoopy
Posted 4:01 AM 24/9/08
If South Park has taught me anything in life, it's that life choices usually revolve around picking between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich.
Kanoopy
DorkimusPrime
Posted 4:01 AM 24/9/08
@francoamerica: Probably should have seen it coming, given all the other posts that barely graze anything of substance.
DorkimusPrime
Friscodude
Posted 4:01 AM 24/9/08
I'm voting for the candidate who appeals mostly to me and my immediate family. I watch different news networks every night and try to get as much unbiased info as much as I can from each candidate. I watched both conventions almost in their entirety. Right now I'm leaning more towards Mr. Obama. Even if Obama was muslim, I think I'd still prefer him being president more so than giving Palin a chance at the White House. The presidency ages people a lot and McCain is 72 years old. If he croaks we have to deal with ultra conservative pentacostal, gun toting, anti-abortion, anti stem cell Sarah Palin...Oh shoot, I guess I am liberal lol. I'm gonna watch the debate on Sept 26th before I make up my mind completely. I do have a lot of respect for McCain though, and I like the way is he is doing his tax cuts more so than Obama's way, I just don't like his VP at all.
Friscodude
Mikatro
Posted 3:58 AM 24/9/08
@ServiceMaster: Ooo, Obama is totally going to win in the 2v2 arena circuit. Resto druids are OP.
Although I guess that depends on what classes Biden and Palin are.
Mikatro
RYAMATSU
Posted 3:56 AM 24/9/08
Theme Hospital man, I miss old school Bullfrog games.
I'm probably going to vote Libertarian this term. McCain and Obama both don't really strike me as individuals that spark any positive changes to America. McCain is constantly going back on what he says and Obama wants to tax the business owners. Business owners aren't going to change their lifestyle (which they shouldn't, they worked hard to deserve where they've become) they'd rather lay people off or cut hours.
"Over the past decade, total government spending (state, local and federal) has increased from $2.9 trillion to an astonishing $5.1 trillion in 2008. The $3.1 trillion federal budget submitted by President Bush for 2009 is greater than the combined 1998 spending of the federal government, all 50 states and over 87,000 local governments."
How are we to compete (America) in the global economy if Republicans and Democrats keep on spending like they really do have a Ctrl+Shift+C and then type in "MoreMoney" cheat code.
RYAMATSU
Zaos
Posted 3:56 AM 24/9/08
"Peak Oil is coming and will soon plunge the world into a Mad Max-style apocalypse where central casting punks joust from within custom deathmobiles. "
I live for that day. This is an execellent article, and I hope the word gets spread around of it's existance.
Zaos
I_Hate_This_Place
Posted 3:54 AM 24/9/08
@R0YB0T: I'm with you on Federal Reserve reform. And although I'm not republican myself, I know plenty of republicans who will gladly admit Bush made a few mistakes while in office. People seem to have this mis-conception that because people voted for Bush, they would follow him into the depths of hell. That's not true at all. Some of his most vocal opponents with VALID arguments(IE, proof of his wrong doing) are his own supporters.
I_Hate_This_Place
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
Posted 3:53 AM 24/9/08
@Blacksnyder:
Because your level of education is TOTALLY relevant to being a good president. Guess who was supposed to have one of the highest IQs in presidential history?
Jimmy Carter.
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
I_Hate_This_Place
Posted 3:51 AM 24/9/08
@ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system: I think you mis-read my comment, or I mis-read yours. Either way, I was saying I would ever vote for someone who is as far left-leaning as Obama. McCain was far from my first choice, but he will be getting my vote. And yes, I too worry about McCain's stances on immigration and the likes.
I_Hate_This_Place
LongDarkBlues
Posted 3:51 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno: douche-tastic.
LongDarkBlues
Zenrick2.0
Posted 3:50 AM 24/9/08
@I_Hate_This_Place: Well put. I can imagine your frustration if your company becomes more successful.
Zenrick2.0
Blacksnyder
Posted 3:50 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno:@HaydenTenno: Haha,congrats,your reality is a fallacy. It boggles my mind how some people can be as stupid as you. McCain is an habitual flip-flopper. He doesn't even know what to think. His view points depends entirely on the people around him.
Also,I'll just leave this here,seeing as how you so easily impressionable.....
Obama:
Occidental College (Los Angeles) - 2 years studying Politics and Public Policy.
Columbia University (New York) - B.A. Political Science with a specialization in International Relations.
Harvard Law School - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude, Editor-in-Chief of the Harvard Law Review.
Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in History and a B.A. in Political Science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)
McCain:
United States Naval Academy - Class rank 894 of 899.
Palin:
Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester - Business Administration.
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - General Studies.
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - Journalism.
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester.
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism.
Also,[asdfhj.com]
Blacksnyder
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
Posted 3:48 AM 24/9/08
@ggodo:
Don't be silly. He's not attacking Obama for Muslim ties. We all know he spent 20 years in Rev Wright's church. He's saying Obama throws out stuff like this to appear caring and sympathetic to Muslims- which is hardly an asset when you're dealing with crazies like Ahmedinejad.
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
raptorsrevenge
Posted 3:48 AM 24/9/08
@I_Hate_This_Place: And someone who publicly states "Proudly Married!&Retarded 4 Life" is someone I want to engage in political discourse with. *rollseyes
raptorsrevenge
I_Hate_This_Place
Posted 3:46 AM 24/9/08
@superbagman: As usual, someone presents actual quotes and then they're called a racist, bigot etc. Look, I know you can't argue the quotes, because they were actually said by those people. So what do you do? You call the messenger a "racist" or whatever arguement- defeating buzzword you can throw out there.
Quotes are almost always out of context, as they are a smidgen of what was fully said. But you won't whine if someone you aren't supporting gets quoted out of context, will you? These people said these things. Pointing that out does not make someone a racist. It makes you an asshole for even suggesting they are. But hey, I'm probably a racist in your book too because I took your silly comment to task.
I_Hate_This_Place
R0YB0T
Posted 3:46 AM 24/9/08
@I_Hate_This_Place:
I suggest hayden do this also, please look up the history of the US income tax.
And read Obamas tax changes. they are very simple reads.
Obama wants to remove the Bush Tax cuts for the top 1% and lower taxes for 95%.
Believe it or not, Bush made a few mistakes while he was in office. one of them was to increase spending and lower taxes for the rich. Obamas changes fix Bush's mistake.
As long as we have the federal reserve system in place, someone has to pay up, or this country is screwed.
R0YB0T
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
Posted 3:46 AM 24/9/08
@raptorsrevenge:
Because the Senate, a body composed of old dudes, is totally going to have a strong average on tech stuff? Just because most people in the senate DON'T know anything about teh intarbutts doesn't mean McCain should be dimished for knowing something. He's not exactly twelve-boxing WoW but at least he could blog if he wanted to.
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
ggodo
Posted 3:46 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno: Does the fact that Obama respects one of the greatest religions in the world make him unfit for office? Saying that having Muslim relatives makes him unfit to be president is being so much of a dick I can't even begin to explain it. Actually I can, it's being Prejudicial in the extreme. I have Muslim friends, does that make me a traitor and them terrorists? You certainly seem to be promoting that world view. Get the fuck out of here.
P.S. You had a good argument till you pulled the Muslim card.
ggodo
MR. FAP☆FAP!
Posted 4:23 AM 24/9/08
"This will not be easy. Obama will have to flipflop on numerous anti-games speeches,"
Oh lord. Not THIS crap again.
Obama hasn't MADE anti-videogame speeches. He's said WHAT EVERY GAMER ON EARTH SAYS WHEN THE MEDIA TRIES TO BLAME SOCIETY'S ILLS ON GAMING:
That parents should be more responsible and spend more time with their children, rather than letting TV and games babysit them.
This is the first time we gamers have ever had any sort of candidate who actually agrees with us on issues and we try to turn on him so we can obtain "balance"!
MR. FAP☆FAP!
Mister_Jack
Posted 4:23 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno: Yeah, it's not like the GOP would ever play the sexism card for Palin or anything.
Mister_Jack
Gamer d00d
Posted 4:22 AM 24/9/08
@I_Hate_This_Place:
Not everybody on welfare is lazy. My mom worked two jobs and still didn't make enough to make ends meet, should I of starved so you could gain more?
Gamer d00d
DorkimusPrime
Posted 4:22 AM 24/9/08
@Mister_Jack: Yes, it's a good idea to punish success. Then everyone will want to do it. Moron.
DorkimusPrime
Gamer d00d
Posted 4:21 AM 24/9/08
Maybe they will teach people that the government never really let you vote and lets some dudes in some college thing decide for you :3
Gamer d00d
HaydenTenno
Posted 4:21 AM 24/9/08
@ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system: BINGO!!!! Obama fanatics only know how to pull the race card, yet Obama has been the one using the race card this entire campaign. Truly pathetic.
HaydenTenno
Lachoy
Posted 4:21 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno: Wow! Couldn't have put it better myself :) Nicely done!
Lachoy
I_Hate_This_Place
Posted 4:15 AM 24/9/08
@Mister_Jack: I didn't say I didn't want to pay my taxes. Learn to read. I said I don't want to be punished with more taxes just because my business takes off. Especially if said taxes are going to people who don't work. Now, I understand the disabled and the elderly needing assistance, but the standards for receiving welfare are way too low for other people. Also, there used to be a time where we could dictate how our tax money was spent. Seems almost out of our hands now. So, i will gladly pay my taxes. But the lazy should not recieve a dime.
I_Hate_This_Place
Mister_Jack
Posted 4:14 AM 24/9/08
@ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system: For the record, I don't especially care about how McCain ranked in school related to the other students, but you can't say a person's level of education isn't important when we're talking about electing your leader. It's not the ONLY thing that matters, but being president is not something you can do with street smarts alone. You need good old fashioned book smarts too.
Mister_Jack
virtualex
Posted 4:09 AM 24/9/08
a little harsh, but ... Amen to that.@R0YB0T:
virtualex
SlantSix
Posted 4:09 AM 24/9/08
@R0YB0T:
Quote for truth, my friend.
They could probably kill two birds with one stone, and have each of the candidates back a different console.
Of course, Ron Paul would back the Dreamcast.
SlantSix
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
Posted 4:09 AM 24/9/08
@Mister_Jack:
Not at all.
First of all, medical school is a fairly recent phenomenon in terms of human history. Yet there have always been healers or suchlike to fill the same role doctors do. So it's not like medicla school is a requirement.
Second of all, there's no evidence to correlate education with being a good president. We can't even agree on what a good president is, so how can we derive factors that form them?
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
Mikatro
Posted 4:08 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno: It's like reading the comments at foxnews!
Mikatro
teh_joe
Posted 4:06 AM 24/9/08
@Blacksnyder: who's elitist now?
teh_joe
Mister_Jack
Posted 4:06 AM 24/9/08
@I_Hate_This_Place: If you get rich, you can afford to pay your taxes. Suck it up.
Mister_Jack
Đipic
Posted 4:43 AM 24/9/08
@Jason144: Ain't that the truth.
Đipic
Mister_Jack
Posted 4:43 AM 24/9/08
@Aex: Experience in what? What could possibly prepare you for being essentially the most powerful man in the world? Being president isn't like being a mayor or even a senator. The stakes and responsibilities are so much exponentially higher that I imagine it's completely mind-blowing.
Mister_Jack
Poo_and_Weeeee
Posted 4:42 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno: Did you just laud him for having studied the Quaran?
Poo_and_Weeeee
berribrand
Posted 4:42 AM 24/9/08
@Aex: Obligatory "I have the freedom to express my views in America" response.
berribrand
I_Hate_This_Place
Posted 4:41 AM 24/9/08
@BretzE: Wow. Where to start. First, I already said I'm not rich. At the moment I make less than you do.
Second, the great thing about employees(which I have none at the moment, it's all me) is that if you do not compensate them for what they are worth, they will leave. Simple economics. If it were true that I was some slave driver and my workers could not afford anything, much less their own taxes, obviously I would not deserve thos employees and my business would crumble as my key employees left. But again, I make less than you do, run my business by myself at the moment, and pay my taxes. And I donate, so get off your high horse.
On the "GOP economy", maybe you should read more. Until recently, our economy had been going through many seasons of growth since 2001, with lowest un-employmnet rates ever. It's just now become stagnant, and only comparatively to previous years. And for future reference, I hate neo-cons myself. And no, I do not agree with bail-outs.
As far as your dismissal of McCain, it's nothing but wild insults with no arguments against his actual policies. Which all of this leads me to this conculsion: You have sever reading comprehension problems and are even more severely un-informed. Good day.
I_Hate_This_Place
AllegraStreit
Posted 4:39 AM 24/9/08
Hmm, this article was kinda funny. If we based the presidency on WoW status, we'd get some kid who cusses too much, and listens to crappy techno. :D
Are videogames a federal matter. No~! Last thing we need to do is have the federal government making mandates on videogames. If videogame related bills come up, let's keep it within the states. So as long as the president keeps quiet on videogames, that's good enough for me. You don't see quilting groups getting riled up on which president adequately answers quilting needs.
AllegraStreit
berribrand
Posted 4:39 AM 24/9/08
@Aex: Stop fear-mongering to garner votes.
berribrand
Aex
Posted 4:39 AM 24/9/08
@Mister_Jack: In that case I'd argue that Street Smarts (Experience) is far more important than Book Smarts (Theory).
Aex
Asfad
Posted 4:39 AM 24/9/08
I dig out Theme Hospital every other year for some hospital management action. Sadly, few have ever heard of it
Asfad
Mister_Jack
Posted 4:39 AM 24/9/08
@ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system: They don't really have "American Presidency 101" in any school, though, so really it's just good to get a well rounded education, since you never know what will come in handy.
On another note, is it just me or are all the replies and comments in this article causing Kotaku's new comment system to take a shit?
Mister_Jack
berribrand
Posted 4:38 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno: Could you cite me one of your mis-quotes of Barack using the "race card?"
We know the Neo-Cons would never attack Hillary and then play the sexist card on Palin when she's attacked...
berribrand
Aex
Posted 4:37 AM 24/9/08
@berribrand: "You know, Europeans don't have such a disdain for socialism."
Obligatory "Move to Europe then" response.
;)
Aex
captaindirtnap
Posted 4:36 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno: @ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system:
Well... Hooray for something I didn't know before. I, too, had been hearing a LOT of "Grandpa doesn't know computers".
captaindirtnap
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
Posted 4:36 AM 24/9/08
@berribrand:
Yep, Europe has become pretty socialist. Guess what? The united under the EU to help coordinate this! And then guess what? The EU decided that everyone should reduce CO2 emissions by 20%! And now every economy in Europe is crashing. Did I mention the population dropping like a rock?
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
doubtful
Posted 4:36 AM 24/9/08
@I_Hate_This_Place:
The more wealth one accumulates, the more they benefit from the shared interests of a democratic society, therefore the greater their responsibility to fund it.
And someone has to pay for the Iraq war and the upcoming financial sector's golden parachute. You can argue that egregious spending should be curtailed in the future, but we as a nation are currently in the red trillions of dollars. It is all of our responsibility as citizens to pay that.
Personally, I think Obama will be far more transparent and responsible with the economy, which makes him the more attractive candidate. You can laud HaydenTenno's copy/pasted talking points which have been taken out of context all you want, it doesn't change the way this country works, or, in the case of the last several years doesn't work.
doubtful
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
Posted 4:33 AM 24/9/08
@BretzE:
get a clue, he IS middle class. Owning a business does not make you rich: in most cases it makes you bankrupt, and taxes and licenses on everything doesn't exactly help.
The real world isn't like Mario Kart. You can't just toss a blue shell at the leaders because you don't like your current position. How about getting a job instead of demanding that everyone else should give you their money?
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
Mister_Jack
Posted 4:33 AM 24/9/08
@Aex: I'm really talking more about what happens in office rather than the election process.
Mister_Jack
berribrand
Posted 4:32 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno: It's easy to cite quotes out of context and to quote things from decades ago, isn't it. And to blame Barack for things his mother has said? Give me a break. You know, Europeans don't have such a disdain for socialism. Why the fear-mongering?
berribrand
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
Posted 4:30 AM 24/9/08
@Mister_Jack:
Well, yeah. I'm not saying I'd rather have a high-school dropout than a college graduate, just that it's not too difficult to get through college without learning anything that could help you as POTUS. You might even be worse off, if you come from someplace in Vermont that taught you Marxist economics or something.
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
I_Hate_This_Place
Posted 4:29 AM 24/9/08
@Gamer d00d: My single mom also did the same, with two young children to boot. She refused to take welfare, just on her own principles. But, I did not say all who take welfare are lazy, did I? READ AGAIN. I said the standards are too low for people to get welfare. Your mother working 2 jobs and needing welfare is a shining example of a good standard for qualifying. But, the people who do nothing but collect a check are the ones I have a beef with. Please refrain from putting words in my mouth.
I_Hate_This_Place
Aex
Posted 4:28 AM 24/9/08
@Mister_Jack: I disagree. One does not need book smarts to be president. They need connections that are usually obtained through gaining those book smarts. If someone can gain those connections without a "high-level" of education, they can be elected to president. Especially if that someone learned by experience, rather than theory.
Aex
Mister_Jack
Posted 4:28 AM 24/9/08
@DorkimusPrime: Oh boo hoo, rich people have to pay more. You ever tried being poor? I have no sympathy at all for rich people who think they need a break.
Mister_Jack
subterfunk
Posted 4:28 AM 24/9/08
I was playing Muslim Massacre with McCain just the other day! He kept singing the Beach Boys. Weird guy.
subterfunk
selectman
Posted 4:28 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno: This is ironic given that our current President is supporting the largest exercise in socialism in human history (to the tune of $700 billion). Or do you define government ownership and control of large financial institutions upon which we all depend as laissez-faire capitalism?
selectman
MR. FAP☆FAP!
Posted 4:28 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno:
Jesus, I can't believe people are dumb enough to still be peddling that old socialism canard.
Well, congratulations, at least. You managed to read all of Jerome Corsi's book of lies and apparently weren't phased by it or any of those quotes (some of which are false).
Furthermore, NO ONE has played the race card this year, except Hillary Clinton. What our little Hannitized friend is referring to is Obama's quote about not being like the Presidents on dollar bills.
...a quote he made because a day earlier, McCain had a giant picture of Obama on a dollar bill at a rally.
MR. FAP☆FAP!
Schoolimangooli's backpack turns into a ham sandwich!
Posted 4:26 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno:
+ Watch video
Hayden you're y new hero, you listen to thrice and you are one the few that dislikes obama.
Schoolimangooli's backpack turns into a ham sandwich!
BretzE
Posted 4:25 AM 24/9/08
@I_Hate_This_Place:
So because you own a business you should still pay low taxes? How about the people who work for you and make your business profitable? Should they pay more than you? Should they continue to get poorer, while you get richer off of their hard work? You have an "interesting" view of how taxes should work. This country needs everyone to pay taxes to survive. When the poor and middle class cannot afford to pay and you refuse to pay, what do you suggest? The rich of this country have been refusing to pay more for so long that people who make very little cannot afford to feed themselves properly and the middle class is now becoming the new poor. All while rich assholes make millions a year so they can, what, buy that new yacht or that new ferrari. It's bullshit. How about being patriotic, or at least a decent human being. I make about 50k a year as a Systems Admin and I donate about 10% of that to charity each year. How much do you donate? Sounds like not a whole lot, sounds to me as if you are the greedy one.
Also, on your chosen candidate (McCain), you realize he is a crook right? Look up the Keating Five. See how he and 4 other Senators were involved in the S&L scandals and tell me you think he should be president. Just because he decided to re-invent himself as Mr. Straightalk doesn't mean he is. You can polish a turd all you want, but it's still a turd. Do you honestly think that our economy withstand another 4 - 8 years under GOP rule? Just look at how bad it has gotten in the past year alone. The country has gone from a super power to a laughing-stock. We are universally hated all over the planet and the value of our dollar is sinking so fast that we will soon be on par with the Peso.
I ask you now honestly, are you voting for McCain and if so, please enlighten me as to why? Don't say its because he is the best to lead the country because he is not. He is a 72 year old, out of touch and sickly old man. He will more than likely not make it through the first 4 years of his presidency and then we will be stuck with Palin, who is a fucking fascist. Also look at the educational credentials of all 4 involved in this race. You have 2 people who have a high quality and political educations. On the inverse you have 2 people who are barely educated enough to work at McDonald's. We have had a C student in the White House for 8 years, maybe it's time for someone with some brains to be at the helm.
BretzE
HaydenTenno
Posted 4:25 AM 24/9/08
@Mister_Jack: Btw, I'm not really a big fan of the neocons, either. It's simply the lesser of two evils in this election.
HaydenTenno
RaginFox
Posted 4:24 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno: Agreed. He's like 2 mother brains put together.
RaginFox
paganski
Posted 5:03 AM 24/9/08
@Turambar:
From the headline, I thought that this piece was going to be about game theory and/or using games to predict the outcome of the election.
I would love to see a post or essay about that. Maggie? Got anything up your academic sleeve?
paganski
Sgoast
Posted 4:57 AM 24/9/08
@Kanoopy: If you're getting your political opinions from south park, you need to be taught a lot more.
Sgoast
HaydenTenno
Posted 4:56 AM 24/9/08
@Iocarios: Maybe you should read a bit more, mmmkay? I was born in Pakistan. Also, another poster already explained what I meant to those like you that are trying to pull the race card. Read, bud.
HaydenTenno
Sgoast
Posted 4:55 AM 24/9/08
Holy shit, kotaku. Not this shit again. Obama isn't anti-game. He's never said he is anti-game. He's never stated anything that would have even implied he's anti-game outside of saying "Hey parents, don't let your kids spend all day playing games instead of actually raising them", which is NOT some radical anti-game sentiment. It's common sense for a good parent.
I'm really tired of this "THE ENTIRE WORLD IS AGAINST US, THE GAMERZZZ!!!!" attitude that every political post on this blog has. Remember that kid in grade school who always cried on the playground that everyone was picking on him? Remember how he always was the anti-social one who always complained about everything and instigated most of the attacks on him. Guess what "gamers"? That's you. The label of "gamer" is attached to socially awkward crybabies who, when not complaining about companies screwing them, (and then willingly giving them 60 bucks a pop anyway) cry that the government is treating them unfairly because their senator doesn't play world of warcraft, and thus wouldn't consider giving them a tax rebate on their vent server.
You want your cake and to eat it too. Guess what? That's exactly that kind of political viewpoint that got us into the economical crisis we're in right now. People who want politicians to help ME ME ME. So do us all a favor. If the only thing that matters to you in politics is you you you and whatever you own, stop and think about somebody else for a goddamn change. I'm pretty sure the inner city kid who can't get a real education is a higher priority than your counterstrike clan.
Sgoast
ZaxCG2
Posted 4:55 AM 24/9/08
Needless to say this article was petty and offensive.
I LOVED IT!
ZaxCG2
Mister_Jack
Posted 4:53 AM 24/9/08
@Mister_Jack: DISCUSS!
Mister_Jack
Iocarios
Posted 4:53 AM 24/9/08
@selectman: The bill is still being worked on, but the early version gave the government no control whatsoever. It merely used taxpayer money to buy bad loans. Not quite socialism, More like free money for people who made risky bets.
The early version does not reward the taxpayers with anything, either. Basically throwing money at a deregulated Wall Street that imploded due to bad business practices.
I think Bush is just trying to rob that taxpayers before he leaves office. Conspiracy-minded, but I truly think kis administration is trying to destroy the government, with crushing debt, a bad economy, wars without end.
Think of it as a reverse Robin Hood.
Iocarios
Reikson
Posted 4:51 AM 24/9/08
@Turambar:
Ya, this is very odd.
Video games are the least important issue in this campaign, and I don't believe that playing any of these games helps you make presidential decisions.
Reikson
janine
Posted 4:51 AM 24/9/08
@I_Hate_This_Place: Do the math. Your taxes go to foreign wars and will soon overwhelmingly go to bailing out large banks. See, reward are private and risks are public now.
"But, the people who do nothing but collect a check are the ones I have a beef with." -- That is a valid point, or rather it would have been before Clinton's welfare reforms in 1996. Able-bodied people are required to work and there is a five year limit on benefits regardless. His reforms also let states establish family caps to deny additional benefits to mothers for children born while the mothers are already on public assistance.
So, while you critique others' reading comprehension, perhaps you should catch up on welfare policy as of 12 years ago.
janine
HaydenTenno
Posted 4:51 AM 24/9/08
@MR. FAP☆FAP!: "Typical white folks, that's just how they'll do ya..." - Barack Obama
HaydenTenno
AllegraStreit
Posted 4:50 AM 24/9/08
@ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system: I'll jump in too, by saying a couple things about McCain. First of all, the millitary academies are some of the best schools in America. Secondarily, even assuming that the Naval Academy was not good education, judging a man over 60 for what he did in college is kinda silly. He knows he wasn't a good student back then.
Anyone who makes it into the political system at that level is intelligent, when it comes to getting things done and interacting with people. That's true for Obama and McCain, Palin and Biden.
There are plenty of uneducated people who make a significant change in the world around them. There are plenty of educated people who still work at Applebees. Rather than judging a candidate on the educational status, I'd say judge them based on what they've done, and what they propose.
AllegraStreit
Aex
Posted 4:50 AM 24/9/08
@berribrand: ???
Would you kindly point out the fear-mongering in my comments? Do you know what fear-mongering is? Or is that just the word of the day for Obama supporters?
Aex
paganski
Posted 4:48 AM 24/9/08
@Jason144:
"Differences between Games and Elections"
Surprisingly, n00bs are welcome in elections.
No amount of griefing or back-stabbing will get you booted from team deathmatch.
Racists, sexists, and morons are encouraged to play.
Hacking and cheating are universally accepted.
paganski
Mister_Jack
Posted 4:48 AM 24/9/08
I just noticed that the economy seems to be the main issue being discussed in these comments. Not that it's not important or anything, and maybe I overlooked something, but how about something on...
The Iraq War
Gay Rights
Pro-choice v. Pro-life
Iran
Russia (holy shit)
Global Warming
The Oil Crisis
Mister_Jack
BretzE
Posted 4:47 AM 24/9/08
@ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system: I gotta ask to make sure, but are you literate? I stated my job and my salary. He didn't state that he is middle class, he said he is a private business owner. Also, He states that he is not rich, but his definition of rich might be different than your's or mine. I was using a hypothetical to ask him a question. I asked his position taxes since he doesn't want to give more even if he makes more. Also, my question was directed at him, not you, hence the @I_Hate_This_Place at the beginning of my previous post.
BretzE
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
Posted 4:45 AM 24/9/08
@Mister_Jack:
yeah, I really don't like the new system. it makes it really hard to see new comments. Like in this thread, everything that's not a reply to this discussion here gets pushed to the bottom instantly and will never be read.
on the other hand I do the like boxes.
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
Iocarios
Posted 4:45 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno: I do consider myself a partial socialist, and from my point of view Obama doesn't even come close. The Democrats aren't really that far from the Republicans - they are both pro-Free Market and private ownership. Which kind of moots your point, as collective/state owned businesses constitutes socialism. Distribution of wealth alone just doesn't cut it.
Your cherry picked quotes are scattered liberally with enough other people's quotes to make it seem as if Obama had said them. Guilt by association? Especially with Ayers, who abandoned his violent ways and became a political activist in socially acceptable ways long before Obama met him? Was Obama a secret child collaborator?
Jeremiah Wright is a fair target - horrible quote, though. America is responsible for 87k - 95k deaths in Iraq alone for the last 5 years ([www.iraqbodycount.org]). Darfur is the only conflict out there that beats it, I believe.
I particularly like the Karl Marx - "Democracy is the road to socialism." So are you implying that Obama had contact with him - that matches your pattern of the others you have chosen to quote. Are you saying Obama is a communist - I'm sure he's been exposed to Marx, as anyone that has studied politics has. Are you just against democracy?
As for you implied Muslim bigotry, realize not all Muslims are radicalized - very few are, and maybe you should learn something more about the world around you. Muslims total anywhere from 1.2 - 1.84 billion, and are the second largest religion in the world. Hardly something to be xenophobic about.
[www.islamicpopulation.com]
[www.adherents.com]
So on the stump speech rhetoric... try to remember that from either side, m'Kay?
Iocarios
Jonman
Posted 5:23 AM 24/9/08
@ I_Hate_This_Place
"Anyone who thinks they are entitled to anything, epsecially without working for it, needs to wake up."
Have you built any roads? Have you driven on any roads recently? I'm willing to bet that your business relies on roads, whether it's for deliveries, or getting customers to your business. Can you see where I'm going here?
Mmm, infrastructure.
Jonman
Đipic
Posted 5:22 AM 24/9/08
@ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system: Yes, that's why they should dislike Bush.
Đipic
FartingSluggoth
Posted 5:21 AM 24/9/08
@I Hate This Place:
That business dealy is going to be the deciding factor for many voters who otherwise might consider Obama. I know it is the central point for my father and a few of his friends. Very important matter here...
But I'm still not voting for McCain.
FartingSluggoth
Đipic
Posted 5:19 AM 24/9/08
@: Both candidates are terrible imo, and I may sound just slightly pessimistic here, but this country is fucked no matter who gets elected.
Still leaning towards Obama despite some of the points Hayden made. Though people really need to stop the fear tactics while talking about the candidates. For example, "Obama won't where a lapel pin, he can't be trusted! He's conspired to get elected so he can tear apart America!" Give me a break. The only idiots who buy that BS are the same people who believe that all Muslims are terrorists. Oh, and the taking quotes out of context. It makes you look foolish.
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BretzE
Posted 5:19 AM 24/9/08
@I_Hate_This_Place: I am uninformed, but you will vote for someone you truly don't 100% support? Why not use your right to vote and not do it. Because that would be stupid and a waste of a vote right? Voting for McCain because Obama leans too far to the left is equally stupid. And on your bullshit numbers for growth since 2001, that was all based on the housing market where bank were allowed to use predatory lending practices. The housing boom is almost completely responsible for our now poor financial state. Also I didn't talk about your employees salaries, I asked if you thought it was fair that they should pay more, in taxes, while their employer pays less. It's not just your business, but all businesses. Almost all employer's currently pay less in tax than their employees, I wasn't saying you are slaving driving. I am also not on a high horse about donating. I am merely stating that I am quite comfortable giving more when I can afford it. If I can provide for myself and my family, why not help out others when and where I can. That might sound a bit naive, but hey maybe the world would be such a shit hole if people actually gave a damn about other people. Also, I don't support the bail-outs and I really don't support welfare recipients who stay on welfare so long that it becomes a legacy in their family.
Ok so you want arguments against his policies. Let's have at it then. Let's start with the deregulation that has allowed banks and financial institutions to fuck our country for the last few years. McCain was all for deregulating the banking industry, and while it did have some benefits, he and his fellow politicians took it too far. It gave us the benefit of being able to do banking across state lines, which is nice, but it also allowed banks to give out ridiculous loans to people who should never, ever been allowed to borrow. Support a man who allows that, sorry, no. On to energy, his big plan is to allow more offshore drilling. Great in theory, bullshit in practice. It will take 7 years before we see any gas from off-shore oil rigs, if it is even viable to drill there, they still don't know how much oil is even there. Instead, we should be investing in hydrogen infrastructure and giving incentives to GM and other manufacturers to make hydrogen cars, not hybrids. Hybrids loosen the oil leash, they do not remove it. If we are still using oil, for transportation, in 7 years then we have failed. The technology is in place, all it takes is for people to demand it. But no, everyone would rather allow our shores and natural reserves to be pillaged for the sake of a bit more oil, which doesn't help us at the pump cuz we are still gonna be paying $5+ within the next year or so. How about healthcare? He wants to deregulate that as well, so we can have insurance across state lines as well. Again nice in theory, but will probably end up biting us in the ass just like banking deregulation. I can't say for sure on that because its speculation, but I prefer to have someone looking over the shoulder of insurance companies, but hey thats just me.
BretzE
Reikson
Posted 5:18 AM 24/9/08
@R0YB0T:
I suggest you read this: [www.taxfoundation.org]
It is impossible for 95% of people to have lower taxes when only 68% (in 2006) paid federal income taxes. I believe you got that number from a liberal blog or perhaps CNN? It is simply not true.
This explains the Bush tax cuts: [www.whitehouse.gov]
Another common mistake made when talking about the bush tax cuts is that they only give cuts to the "top 1%", when they actually give cuts to all federal tax paying American citizens. Removing this tax cut, is in essence a tax increase to everyone that pays taxes.
Finally please read this: [online.wsj.com]
The top 25% pay for 86% of all taxes, while the top 1% pays for 39% of all taxes.
The rich are not evil, and do not deserved to be taxed more; the percentage they are paying has gone up since 2000.
As said in the original comment by@I_Hate_This_Place:, the rich run our businesses and keep our economy going. Over taxing them is a bad idea for the consumer as it will trickle down.
Reikson
thesycophant
Posted 5:15 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno: For the most part, I'm avoiding this thread. But I'm gonna go ahead and point out that most of your Obama quotes come from Obama's memoirs in Dreams from My Father, which I'm currently reading. Mostly they come from the period in his late teens and early twenties where he's a bit confused about how to incorporate his confsued ethnic identity. He later goes on to highlight some of the wrongheadedness of his thinking.
thesycophant
kingofallcosmos
Posted 5:14 AM 24/9/08
@MR. FAP☆FAP!:
I don't want to get caught up in anything else in this comment section, but you are so right about this. Time after time, Kotaku says that Obama has made anti-gaming speeches when each time it was a line in a speech about how parents should be involved with their kids and not let TV and video games be the babysitter. This is the exact thing that we as gamers have been saying for years and Kotaku continues to vilify Obama for the same idea.
kingofallcosmos
Gooche
Posted 5:14 AM 24/9/08
@HaydenTenno: WTF is that where is that quote from? If your gonna "quote" someone please put a source. Otherwise it is just openly slander and misleading.
EX.
"I like to bang sheep" - HaydenTenno
Gooche
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
Posted 5:13 AM 24/9/08
@I_Hate_This_Place:
Many conservatives dislike Bush because he is too liberal. Short and sweet.
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
Posted 5:12 AM 24/9/08
@Tavish:
uh, facism and socialism are actually pretty similar- they are both essentially corruptions of communism, and can be traced to the same intellectual roots: Marx, Sorel, Robespierre etc.
also, dude, we've negotiated with Iran for over 30 years. they're still building nukes and yelling at Israel.
ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system
Recury
Posted 5:11 AM 24/9/08
@R0YB0T: "I have seen more similarities between console fanboys and political party fanboys than any other two groups."
That's because you're on the internet too much.
Recury
MikoKeZ
Posted 5:10 AM 24/9/08
Out of all the countries in the world I'd never suspect America to give as much support someone who is possibly a muslim masquerading as a christian.
As for the gaming industry I doubt either party will make a significant change to the industry. Not that I'd care seeing as how I don't live in America.
@I_Hate_This_Place: Quoted for truth!
MikoKeZ
Mikatro
Posted 5:10 AM 24/9/08
@Mister_Jack: But Obama's a socialist and McCain is Old!
Indeed it would be nice to hear people talk about all the issues instead of the one that makes their preferred position sound good.
Equal rights for all and control over our own body functions are very important to me. It is unfortunate that religion plays an important part in national politics when the founders of the country wanted it to have no place at all.
I'm not gonna go any farther, this is a gaming website not a political forum.
Mikatro
Iocarios
Posted 5:09 AM 24/9/08
@ZinkO: preferred the old theme AND comment system:
[www.politifact.com]
They quote the article you mention as well, but also a much more in-depth interview that discusses his 'net habits... which are virtually nonexistent.
Or this gem from Yahoo..
"n an interview for Yahoo News in January, Mike Allen, chief political correspondent for Politico, a Washington-based newspaper, asked several Republican candidates at the time whether they prefer a Mac or a PC.
"Neither," McCain replied. "I am an illiterate that has to rely on my wife for all of the assistance that I can get." "
@raptorsrevenge: And that's low. You should be able to have a political discussion with anyone.
Iocarios
Keshie
Posted 5:08 AM 24/9/08
@I_Hate_This_Place: No one on welfare took any risks for my business, nor put any work into it. They shall not get any of the financial benefits from it either.
So what you're saying is that no one on welfare deserves help. Welfare exists to prevent destitution (and the many, many evils that brings) but you don't want to share the cost of that essential service. Do you want to withhold taxes for fire services as well, or would you only pay those taxes if the home of an employed person was saved?
The funny thing about that is it looks like greed, but it's not.
The funny thing about that is it looks like selfish sour-grapes on your part.
I live in a 1 bedroom apartment with my wife, and I'm not rich at all.
OK. You're a member of the working poor. Trust me, that doesn't make you morally or intellectualy better than anyone else. In point of fact: to the free market capitalists you'd vote for again, you're less than worthless.
But the principle stands that if I were to become rich by my own means, no one but those I dictate should recieve the benefits of my hard work.
Here's another principle. If you refuse to help those around you, why should they help you, even out of basic decency? Unless you WANT to live in a society ruled by greed, fear, desperation and anger.
Anyone who thinks they are entitled to anythin