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Molyneux's Happy The People He Pays Like Fable 2
Posted by Brian Ashcraft at 10:40 PM on September 25, 2008
Peter Molyneux's Fable 2 publicity storm continues, complete with Molynexisms. Today's is about Fable 2 being so good that even the people on payroll like it. Or something. Here, let Molyneux explain:
I think of all the games I've made, I think I'm probably more excited about the launch of Fable 2 than I've been about any game really. Because everybody who's played it — the majority of which are the team members themselves, so this is going to sound strange, but they're always the toughest audience to please — has said it's fantastic. That's a wonderful feeling
Ever notice that Peter Molyneux is most excited about his latest game? That's why he's Peter Molyneux and you and I are not. Simple as that.
Peter Molyneux - Part Two [Games Industry]

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What The Geek
Posted 11:04 PM 25/9/08
@AngryEddy: Sweet - maybe he'll snap and start giving REAL dogs to everyone who buys fable 2!!
What The Geek
DarkHavoc99
Posted 11:04 PM 25/9/08
Well at least hes fairly entertaining.
DarkHavoc99
Atsumi
Posted 11:03 PM 25/9/08
@Hey_guy:
Same here. Like I said, I <3 Peter.
He's always so proud of his work... like an elementary student.
Atsumi
Hey_guy
Posted 10:58 PM 25/9/08
Be it his game or not, I like this guy. He doesn't beat around the bush, he's proud of what him and his team have done and he's letting you know.
I'd rather hear devs talk about how much they enjoy their own game than hearing how they hate it.
Hey_guy
Atsumi
Posted 10:56 PM 25/9/08
Oh, Peter.
I swear ALL of his quotes posted on websites are the same thing worded slightly different.
It's part of the reason he's so endearing.
Atsumi
AngryEddy
Posted 10:56 PM 25/9/08
@What The Geek: It could be a sign that his madness is now just simmering under the surface... Waiting to strike.
AngryEddy
ScottG13
Posted 10:54 PM 25/9/08
Molyneux is my favorite developer RIGHT THIS MOMENT!
ScottG13
What The Geek
Posted 10:52 PM 25/9/08
@M.C.-Action: He is a bit nuts - but he does seem LESS nuts now than he did when Fable 1 was nearing release. Not sure whether that's a good sign or a bad one though.
What The Geek
Salen
Posted 10:52 PM 25/9/08
Why am I reminded of Fable: The Movie?
+ Watch video
I do hope Fable 2 will be good, but I think I'm gunna wait for a few reviews of it to come out before I buy it, or at least until I beat Fallout 2.
Salen
M.C.-Action
Posted 10:51 PM 25/9/08
Monsieur Molyneux´s seems to be a bit crazy. So let´s wait until the "really" important people(the gamer)have judged over this game.
M.C.-Action
XbhaskarX
Posted 10:48 PM 25/9/08
I may not be Peter Molyneux, but I am certainly very excited about his latest game.
XbhaskarX
AngryEddy
Posted 10:47 PM 25/9/08
This is the most exciting comment that I'm typing up right now, and I'm so happy that I get to share it with you. Everyone who has read this comment is part of the typing team, but I can tell you, they're often the hardest to please when it comes to typing up a comment. I really can't explain how great it is to finally post this comment and let you read it. It's going to change the way you read comments, really. It'll also revolutionize how we see vowels. "%"? Yeah, %'s a vowel now. I just did that.
Molyneux, Now and Future King of Hyperbole.
AngryEddy
Zerozaki Ishiki
Posted 10:47 PM 25/9/08
And by the time the next game rolls around he'll have a list of obvious flaws with this one.
"Gosh, maybe having the dog find all the treasure for you was treating the players like idiots!"
Personally, I plan on naming the dog Gamefaqs.
Zerozaki Ishiki
What The Geek
Posted 10:47 PM 25/9/08
In all fairness to Peter Molyneux, I would imagine that if you worked on a game for a few years of your life, you'd probably be pretty sick of it most of the time. If he's not pulling our leg about the dev team playing and enjoying the game, I'll take that as a good sign.
I used to have a job cooking cheesesteaks. Loved 'em. Ate one every day. After a couple years of doing that for a living, well, let's just say I can't actually remember the last time I had a cheesesteak. Got all burned out on them.
What The Geek
Sloopydrew
Posted 10:47 PM 25/9/08
It better be good, or I've been slogging my way through the hellishly boring "Pub Games" for some extra loot for absolutely no reason. But -- if the game gets good reviews and is worth a purchase -- I've earned the ability to make my dog do a backflip! You can't put a price on that, can you (MS Points don't count)?
Sloopydrew
Walker
Posted 10:46 PM 25/9/08
I think every developer is always more excited about their newest title because in most cases, its larger and more ambitious the one before it. So its only natural.
Can't wait for Fable 2 personally. :)
Walker
McFazo
Posted 10:44 PM 25/9/08
why i am not suprised?
McFazo
henri1kk
Posted 10:43 PM 25/9/08
Can't wait for this freakin game!
henri1kk
CockroachMan
Posted 11:27 PM 25/9/08
I like how he's always so enthusiastic about his games..
I wonder what would be his reaction if someone said to him that his game is bad.. :P
CockroachMan
bassbeast
Posted 11:25 PM 25/9/08
Why not just let the game speak for itself? I've never heard any other major auteur (i.e. Kojima, Miyamoto, hell, even Levine) gloat this much. The more he hypes up Fable 2, the less I'm inclined to care about it.
Someone should read him the story of The Boy Who Cried Great Game... erm, Wolf.
bassbeast
Ahmunnaeetchoo
Posted 11:25 PM 25/9/08
@Atsumi:
+1
Ahmunnaeetchoo
I’m Designer
Posted 11:17 PM 25/9/08
"Ashcraft's Happy His Co-workers Like the Book He Wrote With Jean Snow"
Yeah?
I’m Designer
SeraphX2
Posted 11:17 PM 25/9/08
"Ever notice that Peter Molyneux is most excited about his latest game? That's why he's Peter Molyneux and you and I are not. Simple as that."
Does this mean I can start making Chuck Norris-like references about Molyneux now too?
SeraphX2
Mact
Posted 11:13 PM 25/9/08
"the majority of which are the team members themselves, so this is going to sound strange, but they're always the toughest audience to please"
Tell that to Dyack and his Too (bad) Human or Miyamoto as he flails around with his WiiMusic.
Mact
Ryguy226
Posted 11:48 PM 25/9/08
I enjoyed the first Fable, it did have it's flaws and wasn't nearly as big as he was making it out to be. But dammit it all to hell if not I'm hyped up about this game already, cause it's obviously not going to have EVERYTHING, but as long as it improves upons the flaws of the original, I'll be happy as a clam. Besides, co-op will not hurt at all, my friend and I (or maybe just me in his world :P) plan on having massacre's in that game beyond the eye can see, it will be glorious.
Ryguy226
Cagny
Posted 11:41 PM 25/9/08
I believe he says that when he's about to release a game he's extremely anxious. So I guess he's excited and anxious. Giantbomb.com has a great recent interview with him.
See: [www.giantbomb.com]
Cagny
Razgriz1
Posted 11:39 PM 25/9/08
@CockroachMan: Tears. Delicious tears.
Razgriz1
stupid_mcgee
Posted 11:38 PM 25/9/08
@Tubatic:
He'd probably respect your opinion, try to find out why you didn't like it, and then take it into account when designing his next game. He's already taken and is well aware of heaps if criticism about both him and his games, yet he's very level-headed about it.
stupid_mcgee
Archaenon
Posted 11:37 PM 25/9/08
Hey Peter , wheres my new Black & White? Huh Huh?
I hope Fable II lives up to it's coal filled Hype train when I drop a hot 60 for it when it comes out...I think. Depends on if anything else catches my eye on the shelves on purchase date.
Archaenon
kristaia
Posted 11:35 PM 25/9/08
As someone who works in the entertainment industry, it is true that the people working on a project are its harshest critics. It's hard to watch your favorite things get taken out or changed. And especially with something as long term as a video game, you've been looking at it under a microscope so long that if you can still enjoy it after all that, it probably does say something for the game.
That being said, I wish he'd shut up about it already and stop getting people's expectations so high.
kristaia
stupid_mcgee
Posted 11:35 PM 25/9/08
Personally, I think that is a rather good thing that the people on staff enjoy playing it. It's not as easy as some of you might think. 40+ hours a week working on a title can easily burn you out. I know from personal experience that sinking 30+ hours a week into working on NWN2 modules for about 2 months now has caused me to not only not want to play my NWN2 module, but not want to play anything NWN2 at all. And I'm a HUGE NWN2 fan that used to routinely play online.
I understand Molyneux blows things out of proportion, he's excited about his job. (Wow, that sucks. He should hate his job and be bored and nonchalant about his games!) I also understand he makes promises he can't keep. He's ambitious and has ideas that sometimes cannot be done for various reasons. (much of Fable was cut because it bogged down the XBox)
I really don't get all this hate the community has for devs that are enthusiastic about their games. Everyone jumps on Molyneux, jumps on Bleszinski, jumps on Miyamoto, jumps on Garriott, jumps on Romero, jumps on Carmack. Jesus, people, put down the Hater-aide and and look at it from their perspective. They just finished something that planned and built from inception all the way to completion and are proud of it. Would you much rather have, "yeah. Fable 2 is out. It's kinda cool. You can play it. Or not. There's stuff in it that you can do, or not. I don't care."
stupid_mcgee
elronathon
Posted 11:34 PM 25/9/08
I honestly love reading this man's comments. He is so full of enthusiasm, it doesn't even come across as marketing spin - I honestly beleive he loves everything he works on.
To be in that position would be simply fantastic
elronathon
Tubatic
Posted 11:33 PM 25/9/08
@What The Geek: That's what I'm thinking. The most impressive thing I heard Sid Meier say about Civilization (3, I think) was that the team would play it for fun while working on it. Granted that speaks toward the nature of the game's design as a sim and a MP game, but I think the greatest games are ones that the creators can still enjoy once its been finished.
Tubatic
Tubatic
Posted 11:30 PM 25/9/08
@CockroachMan: Enh, he'd probably quit the industry and start making graphic novels . . .
Tubatic
Duoae
Posted 12:05 AM 26/9/08
@Hey_guy:
Yeah, i always find him sincere and pretty down to earth. He's not all high and mighty like some other developers are and he's not a nerdy unapproachable guy like at the other end of the spectrum.
I also feel like his games are getting better as he makes them. He seems to be learning (at least a little) from mistakes and missteps and i respect him for that. I can't think of a game that he made that was absolutely crap... just wasn't perfectly implemented.
Duoae
stupid_mcgee
Posted 12:01 AM 26/9/08
@bassbeast:
I guess you've never heard of Cliff Bleszinksi. Molyneux's an extrovert, he likes people. Kojima and Miyamoto are known for being reclusive, many in the game industry are (Will Wright is another example). Levine seems like a cool guy and I like his design philosophy, but he's nowhere near the level of any of the other devs you mentioned, and certainly can't hold a feather to Molyneux.
A "great" game is an opinion. Many, including myself, thought Fable was, at the very least, a great game. So, Peter Molyneux being the Boy Who Cried Great Game doesn't at all equate to The Boy Who Cried Wolf.
stupid_mcgee
outofreach
Posted 11:57 PM 25/9/08
Fable 2....
I like it.
Why?
Because at least there's no chance in hell that it's going to be as disappointing as Spore was.
outofreach
nenet
Posted 11:50 PM 25/9/08
@What The Geek: Dammit, now I have to pre-order!
nenet
bassbeast
Posted 12:14 AM 26/9/08
@stupid_mcgee: No, I'd much rather they let the product speak for itself. The original Fable would have probably been much better-received if Molyneux had kept his trap shut. Also, remember how he claimed the game had gone gold in early August? Yeah, that was full of truth, in the sense of not.
Look, Peter Molyneux has made some fabulous games (see: Populous, Theme: Park, NWN), that's not in dispute. But his ego is too big for what he's been putting out lately.
bassbeast
Prathik
Posted 12:13 AM 26/9/08
@stupid_mcgee:
stupid_mcgee.. thank you.
Prathik
stupid_mcgee
Posted 12:09 AM 26/9/08
@Cagny:
Yeah, that was a good interview. I would love to be able to buy Molyneux a pint of Young & Co and just shoot the bull about various depths of player interactivity with an entirely artificial and NPC world. Well, and also whether he thinks striving for the Uncanny Valley is hurting game design.
stupid_mcgee
Sotiris
Posted 12:39 AM 26/9/08
@Salen: Wow, this was AWESOME!
Sotiris
stupid_mcgee
Posted 12:55 AM 26/9/08
@bassbeast:
NWN? As in Neverwinter Nights? Molyneux had nothing to do with that. I dunno, I like hearing devs talk about their projects. I think people jump on Molyneux because he often talks about goals and ambitions for his games and people think he's talking about facts. A lot of what was promised for Fable was in there but had to be cut because it bogged down the system. My guess about the "going gold" incident in August was that Lionhead was scheduling to go gold but decided to delay at the last minute to fix something. He can either save face and release at that time knowing there's something wrong or unfinished, or he can go back on his word and polish things up.
As for Molyneux's ego... I don't see it. He often says, "I think so and so," meaning that it is his opinion that the game is fun, innovative and so on. People often can't seem to tell the difference between opinion and fact. (which is why I think news journalism has gone so downhill) I thought Fable was a fantastic game and was actually about to buy an XBox solely for that game. The day before I got my paycheck Fable was announced for PC, so I didn't have to get that XBox after all. (the same thing almost happened for Jade Empire too)
Believe me, I know all about Populous. I was massively addicted to that game, and I also had a bunch of fun with Powermonger. It just seems to me that many hate Molyneux for really overblown reasons. "He said the game was gonna be 5 billion times as awesome. But it's only 4.3 billion times as awesome. Thanks for ruining my life!"
stupid_mcgee
TheFamous1
Posted 1:41 AM 26/9/08
Molyneux is like a little goblin of joy.
TheFamous1
Ithorien
Posted 2:28 AM 26/9/08
I personally am glad I'm not Peter Monyleux.
Ithorien
jacksons98
Posted 2:14 AM 26/9/08
Molyneux is the ultimate salesman. He hasn't delivered since Populous yet I buy every one of his games.
jacksons98
Salen
Posted 3:01 AM 26/9/08
@Sotiris: Yeah, it is. And the best part is was made in "The Movies", a game by Molyneux, soon after that game came out. I think the folks over at Lionhead actually thought it was funny too.
Salen
Phokal
Posted 4:12 AM 26/9/08
@AngryEddy: (slow clap): great comment.
Phokal
Talleh
Posted 5:37 AM 26/9/08
Even the shorter-then-average Fable 1 I enjoyed tons, then again, I didn't walk into it with any expectations...well at all. I heard Fable 1 was pretty good, loaned out a friend's copy, and enjoyed it thuroughly. Black and White 2 was the same way, I heard that it was a god game, and that sounded fun. I played to about the third island, when I got bored, and haven't played it since.
I'm still conflicted between Fable 2 and Fallout 3. On one hand, Fallout 3 for PC will be 10$ cheaper, but then with the cheaper, I might just get the collector's edition for the poster, dvd, and super cool sounding art book.
Fable 2, 10$ cheaper then the collectors edition, but 10$ more expensive then the base PC version of Fallout 3. Local coop is a major plus, usually people I know don't get the same games as me, or are on different schedules.
But that's just me, and I'm not Peter Molyneux.
Talleh
nlangan
Posted 5:34 AM 26/9/08
@stupid_mcgee:
So true. People just love to complain.
nlangan
nlangan
Posted 5:28 AM 26/9/08
This guy is an entertainment factory.
nlangan
Sunjammer
Posted 8:47 AM 26/9/08
I totally understand him. Every project i've worked on i've been it's harshest critic. Getting praise from the enduser almost doesn't matter when you know how many dirty shortcuts you took during the last month of development.
Being pleased with your own product is really, really hard if you're a grunt on the floor. Producers and execs don't really know.
Looking forward to fable 2. I really liked the first one.
Sunjammer
MattB
Posted 6:35 PM 26/9/08
Sounds like there aren't many here who've worked in a software development house. Developers are usually the harshest critics of their own work. At some companies products are just forced out the door and on to shelves even when the developers aren't at all happy with the results. If Fable 2's development team actually like the game I'm inclined to think it must have gone pretty well.
MattB
hoogamaphone
Posted 11:09 PM 25/9/08
@AngryEddy:
LMAO
hoogamaphone
Kotakus_Minty_Fresh_Urinal_Cake
Posted 12:03 AM 26/9/08
Too much Peter for me, Moore & Molyneux. I was super hyped about Black and White, to have my tiger god take huge steaming dumps wherever he pleased. I miss that type of innovation! How many villagers have perished under the mass of Tiger God Shit today? I'd like to have been a fly on the wall for that dev meeting.
Kotakus_Minty_Fresh_Urinal_Cake
Neutral-fanboy
Posted 10:51 PM 25/9/08
Why doesn't he release some snippets of game footage? Some classy game trailers would go a lot further to build the hype rather than hearing Molyneux praise his own game. It can speak for itself if it's so good.
Neutral-fanboy