@CptCarnage:
So, adding value to a game is bad now?

Seinrien

@INTVGene: How is it possible that you are that ungrateful? You've been given two, or is it three now FREE updates including game modes, vehicles and features, yet you are bitching because Criterion tried to give you even more and couldn't due to technical limitations.

Why don't you crawl back into your hole until you learn some manners you spoilt little brat?

ThursdayNext

GARBAGE! You are asking people to play another 40+ hours to get ANOTHER elite licence JUST to get a trophy?

Bah, asinine.

CptCarnage

I looked at the trophy list, and there is a TON of trophies! It's crazy!

dawimp523

@ceilingFANBOY: Thats because, since the achievements have only been recently implemented, people could simply download and use any save file online, and get all the achievements instantly.

Which, defeats the purpose and can make it an "unfair" system.

The reason why they could do it with warhawk, is because the retroactive achievements available in that were server side, ones you couldn't download a save file for because it was linked to your PSN account.

ryivanV2

Man Fahey, pretty snarky.

Why the hate? Criterion has been upfront about update issues with their fans all along and is the most "open" studio out there - they have the best video podcasts showing what the studio looks like, who actually builds the games and keep one-on-one communication with the players.

The downloads are free, the content is great, they invest tons of time and effort to make the game the best it can be and support their growing fanbase.

How do they warrant being "reprimanded"?

foamking

@dojita:
Funny you should mention that...
Just this morning I ordered a 250GB HDD for my PS3 precisely because I agree with what you have just said.

In fact, I'm holding off on downloading WipEout until I get the new HDD... Bottom line is that I don't want to deal with Sony's re-download policies in the future, so I may as well get a large HDD now.

AceSpeed

Well, I'm glad I haven't bought it yet. But, I will get it on the PSN sometime soon. Maybe today! I love trophies!!!

dawimp523

@OtakuPunk: Agreed...Physical media whenever possible.

KSPRAYDAD

@INTVGene: Sucks is a bit far, considering they send out free upgrades all the time.

Unfortunate, but I'll deal. Restart here I come.

Setzer IIDX

cool! I should let my friend know, he's big into getting trophies.

macr0planet

@Cue2: For now anyways... who knows what sony is planning on doing with trophies once Home comes out.

Methusalah

@ceilingFANBOY: Yeah, Warhawk's trophies were retroactive, so I don't see how it's not possible. The sheer amount of trophies maybe?

Sononeo

@-EDGE-: Agreed, I thought it was pretty ridiculous when they claimed they were going to make trophies retroactive when nobody else was able to do it. I decided not to invest a ton of time into this game with the understanding that there was a pretty decent chance I'd have to do everything over again when the trophy patch came out.

Methusalah

f*ck I had 101% it. heh 101% is better for bragging rights than a bunch of trophies cos after all thats all they are for right.

Cue2

@dojita:

awesome. i get to use 4 of the last 8 gigs on the 60 gig. Sony really needs to start at 120 gigs because this is ridiculous. psn has too many good games. i've filled up my ps3 already.

my 20 gig 360 on the other hand, i still have 8 gigs of space there... useless f$)*ing live.

dojita

@Noks415:

hah, you're confusing him again.

dh4645

Criterion sucks. When will these companies learn to tell people bad news earlier than later? All you do by delaying is piss more people off.

They've promised retroactive trophies right from the start, even up to last week. You can't tell me that they didn't know earlier.

INTVGene

@dojita:
Wipeout HD - now
Burnout Paradise - on Blu-Ray

That way you save on HDD space, burnout will only take up about 500mb (mainly update files) on your HDD vs a full install.

OtakuPunk

@dojita:

Wipeout HD

we have been waiting long enough.
I would buy it just for Zone myself.

I am too busy playing LBP for now though.

Accordion

@dojita:

IMO, either way, you win.

-EDGE-

@dojita:
The two games are quite different so getting both would be ideal. Of course if you're asking I'm guessing it's because you can't do that...

I am a huge WipEout fan, so I would most likely go in that direction. But keep this in mind... WipEout usually gets ridiculously difficult as you get past the middle of the grids.

So if you're ok with the crazy difficulty, I'd say go with WipEout. Otherwise stick to Burnout which will give you plenty of fun online and off and is a game that the studio seems to be determined to keep fresh with expansions.

Just my $0.02

AceSpeed

Not at all unexpected, thought retro would be nice I'm happy to return to return to Paradise City and get my stroll on. That said, and to be fair, I'm not a huge fan of trophy/achievements in general so getting them is just an added bonus I guess. I know some people are really into these systems though, and the may be frustrated by this.

-EDGE-

@dojita:
wipeout hd - now

paradise - later

Noks415

Probably going to download the game pretty soon. depends on how much space it takes up but either way I'm getting it, always loved the burnout series

fragilenin

@dojita: Just flip the coin, dood. You can't go wrong either way, honestly. Get one now, the other in the next week or something. Win-win.

Kirbysuperstar

They need to fix that to say that it is the same for all non-online games. Warhawk was able to get retroactive trophies.

ceilingFANBOY

@dojita:

paradise - now
wipeout hd - later

dh4645

WILL SOMEONE HELP ME DECIDE BETWEEN DOWNLOADING PARADISE AND WIPEOUT HD ALREADY!!!

this decision is IMPOSSIBLE.

im almost at flipping a coin...

dojita

oh man, that blows.

i dont have a ton of time into it, but i had a decent chuck....aaah crap

dh4645

@dojita: Why wait for Sony when you can buy a bigger hard drive and install it yourself?

Personally I would buy Wipeout HD and get the blue ray disk for Burnout at a later stage.

Nalum

I'm about 60% through the game, and found all the billboards, smashes and jumps last night, shame i have to do it all again, but i really feel sorry for the peeps that put 6+ months in to the game, thats alot of data to throw away.

the burnout forums are not a happy place right now!

Monkey Majiks

I guess I'll never have those trophies then. I've put in 93 hours getting 101% and I don't have another 93 to spare to do it again just so I can finally have something in that trophy section of the XMB.

tlozwarlock

Any Europeans know if the Burnout Download allows for game sharing, or does it "pull a Warhawk"?

StupidityTries

Jesus Christ!!! thats horrible!!! :(

Khatru420

@Jeremy: Lucky I still have the Eye Toy from the PS2 days. I got that trophy too, but actually, I don't know how I did it. I think I got taken down online, then I took him down.

Morpork

@Jeremy: me too thats why i play it seriously once they announced it, i just crashed around.

kinggorillajack

Criterion is AMAZING. No company supports their game as much as they do with the exception of maybe Incognito with Warhawk, but they some of their upgrades. But Criterion has just continued to add to the ps3 version.

shadow763

@Jeremy: Sweet, just picked one up yesterday for the LittleBigPlanet Beta. and a platinum too!

CptCarnage

@CptCarnage: You misunderstand, its just sad that they promised us retroactive trophy's and didn't deliver.

Adding value's fine as well, just don't ask people to repeat themselves to do so.

To tell the truth, I couldn't be bothered about trophies, I have a grand total of 2, LOL.

CptCarnage

One of the Trophies requires you to have a USB camera connected to get it.

And people thought getting the elite license all over again would be hard. This is practically having to pay money for a Trophy if you want platinum.

I was going to buy one anyway, but still!

Jeremy

at first I was pretty disappointed with this. However after some more thought and a brief visit back to check out the bike pack. I'm actually looking forward to going through this game again to pick up some trophies as I really enjoyed it the first time.

Granted they shouldn't have promised things they weren't certain about in the first place, but I would gladly take this over no trophies at all.

LX

@CptCarnage: So don't do it. Better yet, ask for your money back for the trophy patch. And don't spend it all in one place! ;)

Razorbak86

@INTVGene:

Not to beat a dead horse, but I gotta agree with Setzer here, saying "Criterion Sucks" Is waaay too broad a stroke here. And though for sure you are entitled to your opinion, Criterion have given back to games more with this game than any other company I have seen to date this generation. Again I understand you frustration, and yes perhaps they did know earlier, but given their track record I am inclined to believe they did their best to make it work, and it didn't.

The trophy system from what I understand is built off of a save file, and some files are client side (unprotected) and you could just DL a save file from anyone one a bam trophy heaven! I think what happened is they were bit overly ambitions with what the trophy system could do, but their save config was not written to accommodate it as title such as Warhawk have some retro trophies.

-EDGE-

Damnit. Well I kind of expected this would happen.

At least the game is getting Trophies. Giving me much more incentive to go back to playing it at all.

Jeremy

@AceSpeed:

for the ps3, if the internet cuts off during the download of something, you get an error message and you have to start it all over again.

i happened to be downloading Qore at the time, and i sent emails to sony and my responses were the following: (no seriously im not kidding)

Me: i am sending you this email because i would like to redownload Qore because my internet connection was interrupted.

Them: Qore is an online magazine exclusive to the playstation 3 system that gives you inside information, news (etc)

Me: Your misunderstanding. I KNOW what Qore is, i bought it. i just want to redownload it...

Them: I am glad to assist you with that can you send us your information?

Me: (information)

Them: I will be glad to assist you with that, can you send us your information?

Me: it was in the last email i sent...

Them: im sorry but we cannot help you at this time.

I called sony, was on hold for a while but it only took 5 minutes to get them to let me redownload it. I even had a chat with the guy i was talking to and he was a great guy.

Lesson learned: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD DO NOT SEND THEM EMAILS! CALL THEM!!!

With games though, the download manager will assist you, its movies that are the huge problem.

dojita

ALright, I am pretty upset

finder39

@ryivanV2: The saves are tied to the ps3 profile for burnout, so your logic on downloading saves is invalid.

PAULINK

@tlozwarlock: well you know where to get everything so you won't be spending as many hours getting it.

Personally I think trophies and achievements add nothing to the game. But apparently they're a big deal these days.

Gen.Grievous

I, sadly, deleted my save a few minutes ago to get the trophies. I have had the game for months and had completed most of the game, but oh well. It was fun the first time around, so I do not mind too much. My son will be sad to see all the cars gone when he gets home, however.

I am in the CST in America, anyone got the update yet? It isn't showing for me yet.

Juthan

@Jeremy:

i'll use my 360 camera.

dh4645

@AceSpeed: That's what I did when I bought my 60GB last year....I didn't download SHIT until I got my *then* spacious 160GB HD.

Knoxximus (XBL/PSN)

This is MADNESS! Glad I got the 360 version after all. ^_^

Knoxximus (XBL/PSN)

wow what a load of crap. if the trophies were retroactive my friend would have gotten at least 55 of these trophies. now he's going to snap his disk in half.

shichi

How exactly DO you start a new game save? =/ I haven't seen an option for it. -_- or maybe I'm not observant enough.

Rika Aiuchi is SeXXXy

@dojita: Beautiful Katamari.

Americo

Its not the worst thing ever. You do not have to reset. You could just keep playing without the trophies.You could reset then play again if you really want the trophies. They tried to retrofit this option but it was nigh impossible.

jackal888

@Gen.Grievous: I agree, they are a big deal but I don't think they add anything to gameplay and the overall worth of a game.

After years on Live and not giving a darn about my Gamerscore, I'm not particularly fussed over this whole deal. Besides, Burnout has "achievements" built into it anyway. You know guys, that long list of stuff to accomplish that was in the game from day one?

tlozwarlock

Just bought this game two days ago and I'm loving it! I haven't played much of it, so I guess I can delete my save file for some trophies.

Aside from an already crappy day at work, at least I have both Burnout and Wipeout HD to play with today!

nflsonic

@dh4645: It really does blows... I just recently bought the game (maybe two weeks ago) but I've already played around 10 hours and have at least half of the trophies. I could've waited for the update but I started playing as soon as I got it since they were supposed to be retroactive. I don't think I'll start again...just as Mike says...don't announce good news until you're sure you'll be able to deliver.

haran_elessar

@Daisuash:

So instead of getting the 360 version which already had achievements right from day 1, you're waiting to get the PS3 version just got achievements/Trophies this morning??

Makes sense to me.....[/sarcasm]

Logic1

Waste of time...

This whole game of catchup that sony seems to love playing has gotten ungodly boring. Call me when you have every game trophy implemented. Infact dont even bother calling me. I'll just stick to the 360

Logic1

The achievements were something that was convincing me of getting it on 360, but now that it has trophies, i´ll be getting it on PS3...

Daisuash

I wonder if they mean that you just have to do that stuff again and they just said it in a weird way.

HoxtonHero

damn so the trophies update is not out yet huh? man I just popped in my game and got nothing T_T

Ruisu

No way in hell I'm deleting my game save.

Mr_Fuzzypaws

That's a shame, I haven't bought the game yet, I've been looking into it, lucky I didn't buy it earlier or this would have been pretty bad news

Either way, I don't think it's fair for people to blame Criterion for not following through with a promise, especially considering the way they've been feeding us gold for the past couple of weeks, chill out people, everyone's so quick to pick up their pitchforks and lanterns these days

Strife56

I just deleted the game save, shattered the dvd and emailed Criterion for their mailing address so I can send their game disk back to them in pieces.

As recently as last week when they MUST have known trophies would not be retroactive they lied and said they would be. They must have known for weeks. If I would have known this I would have bought the XBOX 360 version rather than the PS3 version.

I'm done with this game and done with Criterion.

cheviot

@Jeremy: It's a plug to get you to buy more products on one hand, but on the other it's cool for consumers who have additional products to get to use them in games and be rewarded for them.

The camera thing is not too bad b/c the eyetoy also works for all kinds of burnout stuff, like pics of people when you beat them (which is pretty cool actually) and your license pic. Unlike PAIN, where they make you use specific characters for certain trophies that you would have probably never downloaded anyway.

sex-target

LMFAO OM man I new this was guna happen so I deleted my old profile :P

Ruisu

@Logic1: According to the playstation blog (and I think Kotaku may have posted on this?) That time is "coming soon". It should have already been here.

sex-target

@Rika Aiuchi is SeXXXy: If you have a ps3, just delete your saved game data and it will restart for you.

sex-target

I just bought a PS3 and Burnout last weekend and I'm halfway through the B license. Guess that was bad timing :/

you're still cool, Criterion. The free updates are what prompted me to buy this game in the first place, and this trophy implementation is a tiny part of that.

The game's so good that I'm going to start over.

headcase

I bought Burnout yesterday, and got all the updates today. But when I went for the two easiest trophies. I got NOTHING! What's up with that.

HelsinkiValo

I hate the idea of retroactive trophies. I'm not even a fan of trophies/achievements to begin with, but to me the only joy I see in them is being able to accomplish something....when I accomplish it. What joy is it to download a patch and then have a bunch of trophies for stuff you weren't trying to accomplish? It seems only trophy/achievement whores would be pissed that they're not retroactive.

LittleBigPlaneteer

@dojita: Mega Man 9.

Frank

This is going to go right up there with most of the original xbox cataloge *not* being backwards compatible on my 360.

Archaenon

What idiot at Criterion announced trophies would be retroactive? It's been known since the beginning (it's in the SDK) that trophies by their nature can't be rewarded retroactively- they have to awarded at the instant they are achieved for numerous reasons.

OutsideTheBox

What the hell? I just read the caption from Criterion and uh...they're fucking wrong. Warhawk doesn't require a fresh game save for trophies. As soon as I downloaded the latest update, I was awarded trophies for any achievement I had that matched a trophy requirement. Forgive me if this has already been stated but I'm late to this party.

anyways...it's doesn't matter to me anyway because Burnout Paradise gets no love since WipeOut HD is due today.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

Can't say I'm too happy about this. I've done 101% with both cars and bikes already. But I probably shouldn't take trophys so seriously? It would have been neat to see them all stack up retroactively, I was waiting more for that than the actual trophys :)

Kasreyn

I can't get the Burnout trophy list to appear on my XMB.. am I missing something?

cornunderscore2x

I won't trash Criterion for this. They honestly tried. But I do have to agree with the comment that they REALLY should have told us sooner. Especially since the bike pack just came out last week. I invested tons of time to unlock by 101% there and now I have to start all over. That's pretty lame.

west43rd

Unprofessional.

AnonymousNoob

crap

BallPtPenTheif

@cornunderscore2x: I'm having the same problem. Like stated earlier, I went for the trophies and so far I have none even by doing what I needed to do to earn them. WTF?

HelsinkiValo

...fuck.

Warhawk did it perfectly fine. I am not going to spend the time to unlock everything again for some placebo points.

Artdeux

@HelsinkiValo: I believe someone already mentioned seeing the trophies on XMB.. and I can access the in-game trophy list just fine.. I even tried making *another* new save game and nothing.. wth?

cornunderscore2x

I still don't think that trophies will really take off, at least not on the scale of the 360's achievements. If not every game supports it, from the games launch, it won't work. Especially with games that have been out, and are getting patches that put in the trophies. Even more so with no retro-active unlocking. How badly will the people who beat MGS4 on hardest difficulty with no alerts, want to do it all over again? I can see it pulling people back to games to play them again, but for the more extreme ones, I can't imagine it. For Battlefield Bad Company, I beat it on hard for the achievements, but if I had done it beforehand, and then a month later trophies got put it, and then I'd have to do it AGAIN? I'd just bury it for a couple years till I forget how annoying it was. Not hard, but just plain annoying the AI, and all enemies are.

Talleh

I'm not starting over. Can you even show off your tropies on the web?

hagridore

@Talleh: I totally disagree. There are games that are being played on PS3 right now just for the Trophies. People are cracked out over trophies the same way people are cracked out over achievements. First and some second gen games on PS3 don't have trophies but ever game henceforth with. I understand your logic but I can't agree with it. Especially after seeing the fierce competition I'm having with a good number of friends on my PSN list over trophy numbers and platinums

The trophy whoring infection has already started on PS3 and it's not going to stop. Of course, it would have been nice to have trophies in MGS4 and Heavenly Sword but it's all good. Because now we get trophies in Resistance 2, LittleBigPlanet, Killzone2, MotorStorm2, BioShock....

They're here to stay, they've already taken off on PSN. that's the story.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@hagridore: ...or trophies. I'm dumb.

hagridore

advice to anyone trying to get these: delete your old save files, after backing them up. never load more than one file; i got locked out of uncharted trophies for doing just that, and can no longer get them. its all kinds of bullshit.

i honestly hope MGS4 never gets them. im all for trophies, just not retroactive ones anymore.

TheIrishNinja

I might consider getting the game. It's in the PSN store as of today but... I'm not sure about that. I duno, call me old fashioned but it just feels weird owning a console game that you can't actually hold in your hands. Well, whether store bought or online, I think I might get this and enjoy some more trophies.

Veritas7Ax

@Methusalah: like salt to a wound.

What I don't understand is why dont they let you redo it without starting a new file eg. Redo all races to get an all races won trophy. instead of having to redo everything even things that dont reward you with one.

Cue2

It won't prompt me to patch the game when I start it up on PS3. Anyone got any suggestions?

lenandude

@cornunderscore2x: You need to start the game, and get it patched, first.

Seems like some people aren't getting propmted for a patch. make sure you are logged in to your playstation account before starting the game, perhaps.

Polite Society

I restarted last night... At first i was *pissed* but, after a bit, it's actually kind of cool, i'm enjoying burnout again. *happy*

And apparently if you back up your save before you delete it you can put it back after you've gotten your trophies.

Considering most of the trophies only require you to have to get half of the stuff in the game. like 200/400 gates, you can practically fall over that many with your eyes closed. The hardest part is earning back up to a burnout license, and playing the online stuff.

Polite Society

I absolutely hate how sony makes you play the same game over again just to unlock trophies (i.e. grow the ol' e-peen). Seriously, even if people DO go "download" save files from websites, wtf does it matter? It's not like there's a prize at the end. /palmface

EloquentZen

I don't see how they couldn't be retroactive since some of Warhawk's were.

Amazon_Chris

over 60!?! wow.. thats a lot.

joeloliol

oh man! i finished the bikes and just recently got my burnout license.. no WAY i'm starting over again -_-

GranSkyline

has anyone actually been able to get a trophy yet?

CarltonBlackbird

criterion suck? you are a moron!! they have been releasing FREE updates for almost a year, they added trophy support when alot of games that came out at the same time havnt. they dropped the price to 29.99 AND they released the game on PSN. if they suck, you must hate one of the best companies to support their fans.

SulalitaGlam

Ok, I don't like seeing people go all kiss-ass for Criterion on this. The thing that piss people off is this fact: Criterion has told us as soon as the trophies came out they would be retroactive. Never once, well until now, did they come out and say, "Well we found a problem during testing and the trophies aren't retroactive." That would have been fine, but to not say anything until the DAY you release them is just unacceptable. I love this game, I truly do, however, there is no way I am going to start a new game for trophies. That is ridiculous over 150+ hours of PT, all the cars and bike unlocked, it just will not happen.

I just thought that people should understand why most of us are pissed at Criterion and not taking this lightly.

Willste

This is a little off topic, but I was thinking about getting Paradise. Does it have 2 player local play, as in offline split screen? Thanks

SmritaAutesion

and what are these redownloading policies u are worries about? if u buy it you own it.

SalilaLagman

Yes, I knew there was a reason why I didn't buy it last week, praise Jesus!

Brlito

i am not at all surprised however i had fun trying to get the ingame awards before the patch and i will probably have as much fun getting the trophies as well. still would have prefered retro trophies!!!

phantom5813

just a thought but if i backup my save file, delete it and get a trophy with the new one then overwrite with the old file, will that work?

phantom5813

Wow! Didn't they say they would be retroactive?!?!? I'm so glad I haven't really played it too much. I've only had it for about a month, so that's not to bad to restart...but still. Talk about disappointment.

AntheaFlynn

@Logic1: No, that wasn´t the case, it´s just that i bought other games on the 360 instead of it and now that i´m thinking about picking it up, i want to play it on PS3 instead and the trophies support just convinced me more. That´s the good thing about having all the consoles, you know?

Daisuash