@Shinkan: Codemasters didn't do Pure....it's by Black Rock. :/

Knoxximus (XBL/PSN)

That's just waaaaaay too much virtual real estate to transverse. Some devs need to learn that in some cases less is more.

Knoxximus (XBL/PSN)

@MCWHAMMER: Pure.

[ZTF]

Personally I'm sick of Codemasters releasing 50 racing games named with 4 letters over a year and a half.

Dirt, Grid, Pure, now Fuel. What's next? Crap? Oh wait, that's all of them already.

I guess "F***" will have to do.
I hope they get banned for naming their next game that and close down the studio working on any future racing game. Just get OFP2 out and stop wasting money on crappy car games. You're no match for Burnout, GT and Motorstorm anyway, and will never be if you put 3 months into development.

Shinkan

They can talk the talk all they want, but they'll never touch Burnout Paradise. This is Codemasters we're talking about here...

They won't release any free content packs, they won't patch the game, this'll be just like that Disney Offroad ATV game you can't remember the name of. It'll be in the bargain bin a month after release.

MCWHAMMER

Games like Metal Gear Solid 4 and Star Wars: TFU have proven that while there is an increasing number of open-world games, linear titles still provide entertainment on an epic scale. Personally, I like being led through a powerful campaign more than being let loose on a huge enviornment, which gets old and repetitive fast (though I'm still eager for Fallout 3).

DukeOfPwn

@Gantz: Your Trusted Friend in Science.: They're not Criterion, but they're Codemasters. Both companies are racing pros.

scotty

This game sounds great, can't wait to see how it turns out

PuppyGuarder

I really hate when companies talk trash about other games. Just make a good game.

canchegundam

Read: "Our ePenis is fucking gargantuan."

[ZTF]

Sorry, I'll take small concentrated quality content over huge boring spread out content any day. GTA: San Andreas was a good lesson in that. Or the old Elder Scroll games (shudder).

sarusa

The biggest selling point Burnout Paradise had to ME was the free content updates that are even now still being developed. Honestly if it's good, more power to them, but contrary to the oft-cited belief, size doesn't matter.

Maldron

@DukeOfPwn: Exactly. Remember San Andreas. Huge, but a lot of empty farmland.

A LOT of empty farmland.

ShaggE

I see what you did there with the headline. GnR would approve. ^_^

wired_fenix

Are developers forgetting that gamers like to FINISH our games?

Trailnutz

4 bluray! Holy shizelballz!!!

Warrior_Within_

@AoE: Yeah, it was a fun little game. I got addicted trying to get the achievement for driving all the roads. Finally burned out at 95% or so. So close...

housewarmer

4 bluray?! Holy shizelballz!!

Warrior_Within_

@celery: What was wrong with Hellgate's map system? I can agree that the gameplay needed work, but generating quasi-random maps worked fine. I wouldn't mind if it meant there was some new path every time I went out for a cruise.

CaptainConfuzion

@AoE: Just reread my comment, and it comes off a little harsh. I actually liked TDU more than Burnout, I was referring to sales, and I should have said that.

The driving mechanics were a bit off (turning on a central axis), but I was fine with it once I put it in the bumper cam.

baxterpunch

Impressive. But do we really need that much open area in a game? It could be a chore to drive to each location.

Also, with all that land, how much of it will be unique?

DukeOfPwn

Lol thats funny. You're not Criterion, try again.

Also stop trash-talking without substance to backup your point.

Gantz: Your Trusted Friend in Science.

Last time I remember someone did procedurally generated 3D content, we got Hellgate: London. Hopefully Fuel will do a bit better.

celery

yeah but..
is it goin to be any good???

xtraman

Is the the one where you get a bonus point for making it from one side of the map to the other in one 8-hour drive and there are occasional flies that hit the windshield? You might think you can just tape the gas button down, but there's a slight pull to the right, so the bus COULD go off the road....

Nevermind. Wrong game.

I'll miss you Penn-&-Teller-Sega-CD-Game-That-Was-Never-Released.

WildWon

@AoE: I really liked what little I played

Cueil

@baxterpunch: It was a pretty decent game and a lot of fun though the driving mechanics could've used some work... but it was still the best test drive in years? Or did you and I play different TDUs?

AoE

Test Drive Unlimited was also far bigger than Paradise City.

And, I think we know how that turned out.

baxterpunch

As long as the grass is green and the girls are pretty. . .

mr30gZune

@Shin_Ein: Damn straight it would be too repetitive! Bloody racing games, all you do is drive, drive, drive... :P

Antiterra

So is this going to be on multiple discs on 360?

lenandude

Burnout Paradise is a good size honestly. The only thing that would make it better is if they bridged Paradise City to another city with more stuff to do. I'm sure someone would bitch about it being "too repetitive" because you have to drive all the time.. heh.

Kind of like Dragon Quest VIII was "too old school"..

Shin_Ein

Paradise City is HUGE. I'm still discovering new stuff in it, and I've been playing it since it came out in February. Bigger is not always better, as the saying goes.

And as another commenter wisely said above - we like to be able to finish our games, thanks.

Telly_Vision

And to think I already find it slightly annoying when I have to drive all the way to White Mountain Wind Farm in Paradise City... On the plus side, I can now do it with my eyes closed, chaining burnouts together like a pro. Any other race, I still suck, so all's right with the world. :)

Anyway, if Fuel's environment really is that huge, I imagine the devs will implement a fast travel option. Right? Right?!

Antiterra

I thought Burnout Paradise was about the right size. The city was big, interesting, and diverse without becoming repetitive and hard to drive in. A game much larger than Paradise would almost require hand holding for the driving in terms of knowing how to get from point A to point B. Paradise was the right size where once you got pretty familiar with the city, you could be given a start point, an end point, and usually feel pretty comfortable driving on your own.

Bishmon

@baxterpunch: @baxterpunch: @ShaggE:

My main memory of San Andreas was being bored out of my skull driving to get somewhere interesting, Driving, driving and more driving which wouldn't of been a lot more enjoyable if the idiot drivers didn't pull out for no reason and crash into your car.

dsmx

Ok and just how is this getting on the 360 if it fills up a Blu Ray disc? I don't wanna have to swap discs while I'm driving around.

BlkMagik07

for the last time

CODEMASTERS.... TAKE A HINT FROM CRITERION

They offer superb customer support, excessive updates all for free and really push to get the most out their games.

You bring out a game, jump ship and provide ZERO support and move on to the next money making project...

I don't care about the size. Whizzing around streets, beaches, mountains etc appeals more than driving in a straight line for 10 minutes in... an orange dessert

alkalinetrio

I want to drive into that tornado or at least challenge it to a race. Will I be able to challenge tornadoes to races?

Kankel

i remember how they hyped up GRID when the first details were released, I was hyped cause it seemed pretty awesome, then it turned into BLOOM.

Nicevillin

@wired_fenix: I read the headline, and then had to check if I even had GnR on my computer. Sadly, I have Kansas, The Police, Journey, Twisted Sister...and no Guns N' Roses.

WAIT JUST A GOSH DARNED MINUTE! I checked again, and I do have GnR. Surprise, I might've wanted to check in the G section and not the end of the alphabet...

Chanthas

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD. ITs sold

finder39

What "traditional methods" is he talking about exactly? As far as I'm concerned it has to be on a single DVD when it comes to the 360.

Rubezh

Codemasters games havent been so great.

At least Paradise City is actually pretty fun. Even though the city is small, I dont think it was the devs intention to make it big.

Altima NEO

They'll save all that space on the disks by using Cows instead of buildings, cows instead of trees, and cows instead of uhh....chickens?

trogam

@Gantz: Your Trusted Friend in Science.:

I'm fairly certain that Dirt and Grid were fantastic racing games and both of them were made by Codemasters. They're going to be making a large, open-world(ish) racing game whereas Criterion made a crash simulator. Two completely different sub-genres.

Cake_Eater

I'm not the biggest racing game fan, but I adore burnout paradise, for it's gameplay not it's size.

BTW, it's already huge. If this one is "bigger" does that really matter if the game play is dodgy?

I guess we'll find out when this thing has a demo out right?

Nubius

@baxterpunch: They have dlc for test drive that gives you realistic driving. Don't know how it is though never downloaded it.

JohnnyHash

Speaking as someone who has lots of expirence driving over 500 miles on a fairly regular basis, I don't think that 5000 miles of driving is the best idea. That is, unless they add jets and Helicopters, like they did in Just Cause. Jesus Christ though, what the hell are they going to do with all that area? Make an entire representation of the US?

Acebuckeye13

@Nubius: Agreed. Burnout Paradise is the only racing game I got into.

McClain

ugh. and i thought some of the drives in paradise city were too long.

Polite Society

@[ZTF]: Xactly, but I bet you had to look that up :D I agree with the other fella, all of these 4 letter baby names like Grid, Dirt, Fuel and Carl are boring and display the same lack of effort as the development of them.

MCWHAMMER

From what I read Just Cause was only 390 sq. miles

so this might be a tad bit bigger .

hopeful better(yes a different type of game but hopefully it's better)
later....................

Zatoichi666

I can't even imagine an environment that big. Wouldn't it take forever to drive around in a huge area like that, or will they have maybe warp points every so often?

BTW, Pure seems like it's pretty good. I had a lot of fun with the demo, and the game's been getting good reviews. I may have to buy it, or at least rent it. That is, AFTER I get Burnout: Paradise on the PSN! I need to get it before they bring in their helicopter update!

dawimp523

Can't wait to play it. Loved DiRT And GRID :D

MissingNo

Plus, even if he does tell the truth - who says that's good anyway?

"WE HAVE BIGGER!" - what the F ever man, Burnout Paradise is the most complete driving experience to date on all systems, and I believe the constrained city size helped making it possible to be so.

Shinkan

@Knoxximus (XBL/PSN):

Yeah, actually I figured that out after my senseless murder of Codemasters.

But they still do crappy car games anyway, Pure excluded. :X

Shinkan

It's not procedural content ala Hellgate, its procedural content ala Just Cause.

As I understand it, rather than storing the textures on the disc, you give the game instructions on how to draw the textures from the ground up. The idea is it can build these up as you get in range of them.

This is how the demoscene does it, and how you get games like KKreiger and similar things down to 64k.

Large amounts of content doesnt need to mean excessive travel times or boring exploration.

Given that the games theme is large scale cross country driving, and battling the elements they couldn't really have a small focused environment.

And I believe you just jump to even starts, so theres no faffing on that front.

Also. Whoever said that "Disney Offroad ATV game" Is talking about Pure, and it's a crying shame that the game will be ignored, because its fantastic. Get the Demo. SSX on wheels.

ShineDog

That's pointless... how big would any game be if it stored everything in raw uncompressed high quality pre-optimized resources?

But what makes or breaks it for me against Burnout will be whether it has a "You should turn here" indicator, or like Paradise, a "You should have turned here" indicator.

fuchikoma

@Shinkan:

You thought Dirt and Grid were "crappy" racing games? To each his own I guess...

Akira119

I wonder if Codemasters bought the IP for this from Dreamcatchers... I was friends with all the guys at Firetoads, and they were working on this game: http://developers.teamxbox.com/company/338/Firetoads-Software/

ChaseJebbus