*Comes in, reads the quote.*

Wow, this has flame-bait written all over it.

*Walks out to the screams of "MGS4" by Playstation fanboys*

deadjesterx

@ReignFury: and possibly God of War. XD

ReignFury

A defining title? A title you can say and people will think of a particular system first and foremost and hails as something to really talk about as it gave such emotions and memories.

Something like Goldeneye, Final Fantasy 7, Earthbound, Adventure, Sewer Shark, Mass Effect, Gears of War, Resident Evil 4, Power Stone, Soul Calibur, God of War, Ico/Shadow of the Colossus etc.

Is there such a title on the PS3 that drives people to talk about it? That makes them think about the PS3 when they hear it's name? Where memories and emotions are stirred up?

I fully expect LittleBigPlanet to be such a title, as could Final Fantasy 13 depending on how well it sells over the Xbox 360 version.
Is Metal Gear solid 4? I don't believe so, for beyond the hype leading up to it and all the talk of "only a PS3 could have such a game", it has ceased to be a game really worth talking about except in the mention of old staff and the obvious Metal Gear Solid 5.

Of course it might not even be LittleBigPlanet, a title could come out of nowhere and surprise us all as it's "defining title". Just look at the Xbox 360 and how long Geometry Wars was it's defining title.

Kenofthedead

I think MGS4, LBP and FFXIII versus all fit the role a little. Can't argue with them since 2 of them are long running Sony exclusives and LBP is the new IP that is really popular, community centric (PS3 being the first proper online PS console) and a AAA title. Not that I like it but that's probably the best fit.

Llost

Why limit yourself to one title? Little Big Planet, Uncharted, Metal Gear Solid, Resistance, Grand Tourismo, Wipeout, and when it's released God of Waw, take your pick......

ReignFury

Ten years later Playstation still waiting for defining title...

Crash Override 777

i think what he means to say is, the PS3 is waiting for the NEXT defining title. I guess they dont want to recognize a giant interactive movie as the definition of the PS3. But I think it fits quite well.

uppitycracker

I'd agree with Peter. LBP is for the PS3. Halo still continues as their title from the old Xbox days and I think the Wii's title could either be Wii Sports or SMG.

I used to be a hater of Fable 2 from what was shown earlier in the year.I've turned around and looking forward to it.Most of the hands on this week are saying that it's pretty good.

enewtabie(wants a job at Insomniac Games in NC)

One or two games defined the PS2? I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with that. I can think of 4 without thinking.

God of War
Ico
Shadow of the Colossus
Final Fantasy XII

There's definitely more. I'll disagree, but Fable 2 will be great.

broomperson

@Andronix: I agree that Gears is the title to push the 360 over the top. But, it's not a FPS & I really don't think the success of the game is weighted by the song chosen for a 30 second commercial.
____
As for LBP being the most adored PS3 game, I see a lot of people wanting it, but if that's the best they have to offer... well, i'm not that impressed. I'm sure the game will be great fun, but not exactly something i'd buy a PS3 for.

Melee Is Best

Even though Fable 2 has guns, it can't be the defining title for the Xbox because it likely has a coherent story and RPG elements, not mindless violence between space soldiers and aliens.

FLYmeatwad

@DragonNinja: Who gives a fuck? MGS4 has awesome single player.

Gears is 360's defining title, and its single player sucks. Same with halo 3, but again... who gives a fuck.

rich8606

I'd say MGS4 is a defining title and the online doesn't hamper because MGS isn't and never has been about the online its been about the story. Also the upcoming LBP, White Knight Chronicles, whatever game team ico makes and the complete version of GT5 will be more defining titles imo. Resistance 2, MAG, and killzone are possible ones to join the ranks too.

Neo-Senku: The World's Finest Pervert

Gears of War is more 'defining' for the 360 then Halo 3.

We all know what Halo 1 & 2 did for the success of Xbox 1. But Gears of War coincided with the launch of the PlayStation 3. It was a beautiful looking FPS that outshone the graphics of the PS3. It also had that music track from the commercial/Donnie Darko help promote the game. Gears defined the 360 as a HARDCORE gamers console. It gave the 360 a mascot a year before Halo 3 even launched.

So yes, Gears of War is the 'defining' game of the 360.

Andronix

@Bernard McGraw: Defining games should be ones that people actually buy :-P

NecronomiconUK

Agreed on MGS4 and LBP. Too early to judge Resistance 2 (it hasn't had anything like the level of interactive exposure that LBP has) although, if it fails, Killzone 2 is a possibility.

In order to achieve distinctiveness it helps if a game really maxes out the PS3's number crunching for in-game physics immersion. With that in mind, Hydrophobia - with it's amazing fluid dynamics engine - could be a title to watch (although it's WAY too early to tell, and the developers don't exactly have a stellar track record).

Heavy rain?

BritBloke916

Two words: Team Ico.

Bernard McGraw

I am interested in Fable 2, but like the first one I bypassed all the hype and wasn't disappointed. I will evaluate this one in the same way.

stereoa

@DragonNinja: You just failed at failing...

MGS4 is definitely a defining title for ps3, ps2 had a lot of them but FF games were the ones that defined ps1 and 2 for me
As for xbox, Halo and GoW...

Pepek

Uh...is he saying Wii Play is a defining game for the Wii? Is he talking about the coaster that comes packaged with a wii-mote, or is there another Wii Play that I don't know about?

jhuneycutt

There's only one thing I seriously wish he didn't focus too much on in Fable 2. The damn dog.
This is like 'me and my dog's fave little adventure'.

Seriously. I doubt if everyone could spend all the time playing with the dog and the rpg. Most previewers seem to be skipping the 'dog' entirely.

As for defining titles Wii has to have those titles (would've rather No More Heroes or something like that be the defining title that Wii Sports and such but that's the truth) and for the 360 and PS3 there's first party titles are decent that it shouldn't be a contest between them for each console.

Comments 'rnt Us (usually)

It should of been Wipeout, but i'll settle with MGS4, GT, Motorstorm, R&C:QfB and LBP.

Great games that you can't experience anywhere else.

Accordion

@Iramaj1: killzone 2 raising the bar for shooters? give me a break. LittleBigPlanet will be a game that defines the ps3, aren't sony using sackboy as the mascot now?

fakeplasticlung

MGS4 is pretty much a defining title, you can't really talk about it like "well MGO was crap", well yeah it was, but thats not Sony's fault because Konami wanted to run their own stuff. If it was PSN based like everything else it would've been 100x better. I'm sure upcoming titles like LBP and GoW3 will be as well but for now we'll wait.

Sparx

@DragonNinja:

But Metal Gear has never been known or held high by gamers because of it's online. That was just a freebie this time around.

MGS4 did what it was supposed to do IMO. It was a proper sequel, was marketed properly, closed the series and sold units/hardware.

As far as I'm concerned, MGS4 is a defining title although Sony's gonna need a LOT more than that to keep the ball rolling. Good thing there are plenty titles on the way.

____

I like the way you missed off the bit where he mentions LBP. Was that to spark controversy or just a mistake?

Cat-Duck

LBP fot PS3

and Gears for Xbox360

btw: i <3 fable :-)

FryDay

MGS4 and Little Big Planet are defining titles. Later on is Gran Turismo.

angry_gamer

Yeah so agreeing with everyone else about MGS4. Littlebigplanet coming out and then possibly Killzone 2 raising the bar a little bit for shooters.

Iramaj1

In B4 MGS4!

MGS4 is not a defining title, it's good but it's just not good enough, the multiplayer is what lets it down from being a complete experience, while being fun the MP is limited.

Little Big Planet may be the answer though, I should really pre-order mine, get Nariko and then grab the Official Playstation mag (UK) to get Kratos.

DragonNinja

Fable 2, haha

Firemane

I bet Mr. Kojima and Mr. Yamauchi would laugh their asses off if they read this.

lamusiqa

I thought Metal Gear Solid 4 is a defining title... The next one will be ICO3.

Quasimodo X

I'm buying a whole lot of black turtlenecks and spouting off the obvious so people take me for serious.

Punkateer

Maybe MGS4 right? BTW, what was ps2's defining title? It had so many of them, I cant think of one that defined it.

Friscodude

MGS 4?

Vitalz

Maybe NOT. Halo and Gears of War are the 'defining titles'.

For nintendo it's all of their properties over and over, SSB, Metriod, Zelda, Mario etc.

For Sony, Metal Gear, Resistance, God of War, and used to be FF.

kakihara

Go ahead Pete, hype Fable 2 some more. I want to feel really let down when this one comes out too.

CaptMonkey

LittleBigPlanet, of course.

Monsignor

I guess you couldn't tag this article FLAME BAIT if Molyneux's comments about LBP had been included:

"I'm incredibly proud of what they've done, and it's just an amazing experience to see how their game has progressed. If we want to bring people in who haven't played games before, wherever they are in the world and whatever their cultural background, whatever their sex or age, then we've got to think out of the box and start creating stuff which fascinates those people. I think LBP could be one of those."

Star A.D.

Tsk, Tsk, Peter watch that glass house before you throw a stone.

-EDGE-

LBP search your hearts you know this to be true.

Violater

@penetraitor: Cause its an age dying third party exclusives, 1st and 2nd party ones still exist to allow for the creation of console defining games.

Neo-Senku: The World's Finest Pervert

@Kenofthedead: Sewer Shark.......?!!

russtophiles

Heavy Rain will be a defining PS3 title in my eyes...
and the next team ICO game

And as much as I am a fan of Fable...

I would say Mass Effect is a more platform defining title than Fable 2...
(Yes I know Mass Effect is on PC, and has better menus, but it still is a tasty game on 360)

Then again I have not played Fable 2 yet, lets see if Pete walks the walk for a change...

Mr.Monkey

Exclusives are the only "defining" titles allowed? So, in this age of weening off of exclusivity, the why is this news?

penetraitor

Maybe it's a good thing that the platform has no defining title. Why does a system need to be pigioned holed into a caste?

Let it just be good hardware with good games. That is all any of us should really want.

TheAngryHeretic

@Kenofthedead: It really depends on what's your preferance as to what the defining title is. LBP would NEVER be the defining title to me but MGS4 and the next team ico project would definitely work for me. I think Disgaea represents it well too but not everyone likes Disgaea. Got to say though Oblivion was a much better representation of the 360 and it was out early so I don't know why anyone would pick geometry wars above oblivion (unless they really don't like RPG).

Llost

When I think PS3 LBP and MGS4 come to mind...

Rinaldus

Fable 2 is not going to be one of the 360's defining games. Gears of War and the XBL Arcade are. The Arcade isn't even an actual game and it defines the 360 better than Fable 2 will. Geometry Wars and Castle Crashers ftw!

Halo 3, an actual game, hardly defines the 360. Sure, the franchise may have been the flagship for the original Xbox, but that doesn't mean that success can just carry over.

I'd say that Oblivion or Bioshock would define the 360 more than Fable 2, but those are on PC and PS3, too, so they don't count (anymore).

Psychophan7

Defining title per platform, one only, in my book:

PS2: Grand Theft Auto 3
GC: Metroid Prime
XBox: Halo
PS3: Honestly, none yet, but Uncharted would be closest. Probably LBP.
Wii: Wii Sports
360: Gears of War

All my opinion, of course.

BigWeather

MGS4 just isn't... accessible enough if you ask me. Whilst you can go into a brawn-over-brains fragfest like Halo without much previous experience in the series (shoot aliens, shoot zombies, shoot aliens, shoot zombies again), something like MGS4 is so plot-heavy that it becomes hugely inaccessible to the gamers who haven't played a big chunk of the first three, which isn't as many as you'd think.

Not to say that Halo 3 is a better game than MGS4. I've not played MGS4, and as a non-fanboyish 360 owner I can proudly announce that Halo 3 is a load of bollocks, but MGS4 veers too much on the side of cult to be a killer app.

But then, maybe cult is what will define the PS3.

markusdragon

@broomperson: I'd say FFX more than FFXII. FFX was the first game to really show what the hardware was capable of, and was one of the first must-have games on the system for a lot of people. There is a generation of gamers for whom FFX is what FFVII was to the preceeding group. FFXII is a good game but it's not a defining moment for the platform, PS2 was very well defined by the time Squenix released it. I'd also argue that Ico and SotC, while fantastic games, were sold in far too few numbers to be considered platform-defining. God of War definitely is though.

atomicstrawberry

its true! final fantasy 7, sonic the hedgehog, grand theft auto 3, halo, super mario 64 and all the rest. the must have game and hardware must be in the same thought as proof of a systems success. a game that will attract people who otherwise would not care. i own ps3 but really there is little to get excited about as for true exclusives. still waiting for that game that will, 10 years from now or later, have us look back to the day it was released and say, yes i remember that, that was the watershed moment where that system could no longer be stopped.

kenesu96

Dear Peter,

Put up or shut up.

Signed,
Gamers

Gabexmosh

I like fable and all..But is he high?

xlyesterdaylx

I'd have to say LBP and MGS4 for now. Shortly WKC will usher in a new era of JRPG's for the PS3 :D

0rin

@James, just James: I just can't see labeling MGS4 as a "console defining" game. It doesn't seem to represent the system's library, experience, or majority of uses for the PS3.

Arttemis

PS3 - Uncharted (up until LBP)

Molyneux wouldn't be talking shit about the PS3 if Fable 2 were coming out for it.

And to quote Monty Python - "I wonder, just how much...Moly neux?"

GrandfatherParadox

I think it is great that a console like the PS2 has no defining title, IMO. This is the very fact that it sold as much as it did. It had plenty of great games from different genres, making it hugely accessible.

JonC

people keep saying LBP, or MGS4, but sony has continually touted every hyped game as their "System Seller" (lair, heavenly sword, etc) and just about all of them so far have disappointed. add to that the fact that MS seems to be snatching up just about all of the best exclusives and there is not much opportunity for ps3 to have that DEFINING game. MGS4 is probably the closest thing so far.

James, just James

Moly Said: "Maybe Fable 2 is a defining title"

Yes Peter, just like the first one was a defining title for my toilet.

komakid

(and, yes, GTA3 wasn't exclusive PS2 -- but it had a long lead-time on that platform and convinced *every single one* of my friends that got a PS2 last gen to get a PS2 (eight total)).

BigWeather

@Andronix: Gears of War is not a FPS. :)

Quicksilver4648

Man has a point. The PS3 really doesn't have any defining titles at this moment. There are a bunch that are trying to be, (Ratchet, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Resistance, MLB The Show and MGS4), yet you still can't go up to a huge group of your average PS3 consumer and ask them what game they first think of when they hear the word "PS3", and expect a balanced answer from everyone.

Then again, you could start using that argument as a way of saying the PS3 is diversified for its audience, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, either.

To me, every single one of those games I listed, (except for Heavenly Sword, since unfortunately it somewhat tanked commercially), define the PS3. Personally, I'd want Resistance, Ratchet, and God of War to define it.

TheJinManCan

LBP and (maybe) God of War 3 will be the defining titles for the PS3. MGS4 is a great game, but doesn't have the mass appeal that a definitive title needs.

It used to be that Final Fantasy and GTA fit that role, but Sony lost them as exclusives.

CodeMunki

Hmm, as far as the systems I own here are my defining titles (I'm limiting myself to one game per console):

PS1: Final Fantasy VII
PS2: God Of War
PSP: Loco Roco
PS3: Heavenly Sword
Xbox: Fable
Xbox 360: Bioshock
Gamecube: Super Paper Mario
Wii: Super Mario Galaxy
DS: Phoenix Wright

These are the games that I can only hope define the consoles as they each play to their respective consoles strengths and weaknesses, I hope that these are the games that people will be talking about in 20 years time.

chickenplucka

Um.... mgs4 anyone?

sex-target

Little Big Planet may be a sytem-defining game for PS3. At this point, MGS4 is probably the main system defining game for PS3.

DugDawg

@e-friend: did you miss type? FFIX? not FFVII? IX was fun but it was a throw away fan service title. VII was the big one and VIII was the one most girls remember.

kingmanic

R&C is a huge IP that's very popular. So is Resistance. Keeping Insomniac is a smart smart smart thing to do.

My own personal list of "defining" games would be:

PS1: Metal Gear Solid, FFIX, Twisted Metal 2, Crash Bandicoot
PS2: Zone of the Enders, Metal Gear Solid 3, GTAIII, R&C
GC: Zelda (duh), and RE:make, SSBM.
PS3: MGS4, Resistance, R&C
Wii: I would actually have to agree with Wii play and wii sports, that's the first thing I think of even though twilight princess was easily comparable to OOT. The wii isn't really about Mario and Zelda anymore. :(

Despite making the list, I think Peter is a fucking idiot. Each system means different games to different people. For example, I liked Ico, but it didn't stick with me the way the original MGS did.

e-friend

Lol. He made me laugh in the morning with his stupidity! Thanks for being so arrogant Petey boy.

inphi

I'd imagine and hope that'll be Little Big Planet, and God of War is sure to follow, perhaps the full version of Gran Turismo? Fable was a defining Xbox game, so if this is even half as good as I'm hoping it'll be the same.

@okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under): You are brilliantly odd.

TearsandScreams

If exclusives are the titles that define a console aren't about 80% of the 360's "defining" games out of the equation since most are ported to PC or the other consoles (or came out before or at the same time), BioShock, Oblivion, Halo 3, Gears of War etc?

But this term of a "defining game" for each platform is such bullshit, especially for the PS2, ask a varied group of gamers of which games they think of first and foremost when they think of the PS2 and you'll get very different answers from most.

ManiO

@russtophiles: Yes Sewer Shark. It defined a lot about the SEGA CD with it's mistakes and "FMV is great!" SEGA was on about.
True it was no Night Trap, but I try to forget that game.

No one ever said a defining game had to be a great game, and with how I see the term, it just has to make you think of the system and bring up memories and emotions like few others can.

Yes I know Lunar , Snatcher, and Sonic CD were great games and stand proudly for that generation of systems, but the name Sewer Shark really holds power while those are cult classics at best.

Kenofthedead

Personally, I'd prefer to think that there won't be just one series or game that defines the PS3. I really hope it gets multiple franchises that make it stand out the way PS2 did. If he's just banking on one game to make the system stand out, that doesn't say much for the future of the PS3.

That being said, if he's just looking for one game, then what about MGS4?

Booji-Boy

A person with strong ties to MS that doesn´t talk nonsense crap about the PS3? That´s a first...

Daisuash

@CaptMonkey:

You want to feel really let down when this one comes out... Wow... You're a stupid idiot. Just kidding, I hear you, nothing is more awesome than getting a game and being let down just like I wanted to be. That is satisfying. Just kidding, you're a stupid idiot.

He even gives the disclaimer "But you are talking to the proud father of this game, so you can't ask me to be tremendously objective. " So settle down

Markez

Listen silly-poohs! It can't be MGS4 because Level5 is porting that to the 360 sillies :p This story is proof O_o

okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under)

I honestly cant see LBP defining the PS3, to me it looks like a niche game at best that doesnt even look fun except to those hardcore of hardcore gamers who like to tweak everything. I think MGS is pretty much the current defining game and while I dont really like the title, its easily the most important on teh console to date.

On the topic of fable 2 being defining, I can only laugh(or hope) at the prospect of it being a console defining title.

RuneX21

@kingmanic: I played through FFVII with a friend, after playing IX. Obviously I would have liked VII better if I'd played it first. But you make me want to go find it on eBay and buy it. Buy it now.

Could you elaborate on the throw away fan service? I liked it a lot, FFX was a huge let down compared to it (Or VII).

e-friend

You just need to wait about a month and the defining title for PS3 will be out :-) LBP FTW.

talk2sk

Fable 2 only has a few minutes of cutscenes.

Everything else is completely interactive. You can talk back, swear, make rude gestures, ignore them or chop their head off.

A truly next-gen way of progressing the story without hindering gameplay.

Kojima should pucker up and kiss Peter Molyneux's ass.

morganfell

other smash hits for PS3:
God of War 3, M.A.G, and
call me crazy but i think
Yakuza 3.

Firesoul1

Peter, people would call these things "killer apps".

I agree that the PS3 hasn't really had one, though MGS4 may yet change that. But I do feel that it's still struggling to get that one game that will sell the system for months on end. Gears of War *still* sells 360s. MGS4 seems to have already stopped selling PS3s or they wouldn't have pulled the bundle from the market already. They clearly hoped that Heavenly Sword was going to be a killer app, but that fizzled pretty fast when the game came out and didn't exactly break any barriers or even stand out from anything else in its genre.

Of the upcoming PS3 titles, though, I do see Little Big Planet potentially becoming PS3's killer app with the system if all the hype plays out right. It's just unique enough to pull it off.

I'm not dissing the PS3 here, I just got one and all, but I am seeing a mirror of the PSP's shortcomings in a lot of the PS3's. The PSP hasn't really got a killer app either - the reason I bought one was because there were enough quirky genre games that I finally *had* to get one. And all of them are ports or spin-offs of console franchises.

Rebochan

"Wii: I would actually have to agree with Wii play and wii sports, that's the first thing I think of even though twilight princess was easily comparable to OOT. The wii isn't really about Mario and Zelda anymore."

@e-friend: I would have to agree, with the Wii Nintendo hasn't been putting all the focus on their big names. The focus has definitely been on the Wii branded titles, but at the same time I would have to argue that Mario Galaxy is definitely a title that defines the Wii. Every Wii owner I know tells people to play Mario Galaxy before judging the system. It rolls everything the system has to offer into one nice package. It just that it doesn't seem to get the same face time that all the other Wii branded games have gotten. Which is definitely too bad.

MantisDragon

WKC might actually finally bring Japan into the HD console era. I can't believe it's coming out this year.

Mongoosekun

@DragonNinja: MGS4 is not a defining title, it's good but it's just not good enough, the multiplayer is what lets it down from being a complete experience, while being fun the MP is limited.

So, PS2's defining title is time splitters or FFXI or something? NO. A game that excellent does not need an online aspect to pull it into the realm of 'definitive'.

kakihara

@e-friend: I loved FFIX, too. I know why VII is so huge, and I loved it, but IX is the one I've played most. I'll agree that VII is more "system-defining", though.

@atomicstrawberry: You could say that, but FFX wasn't nearly as good as other FF titles (and the voice-acting was horrible). FFXII proved that PS2 was still able to compete, just like SotC. I guess "system re-defining" would be better.

broomperson

What the fuck? Why does a title need to define a console? It seems like a load of shit to me. Can Grand Theft Auto IV "define" this gen of consoles? Because their nature can be defined by similarities. Blah.

Scipher

Looks to me like different people think different games define their consoles. Who knew different people liked different things?

Hand_O_Death

Ummm...MGS4?

Little Big Planet will make it two

runandgun

LBP seems like a defining title, but Fable certainly isn't, Halo 3 is the defining title for the 360.

Maleficence

Actually he has a point. The PS3 doesn't have a Mario or a Halo right now. BUT Sony has made it very clear that they want LittleBigPlanet to be that for them. They want it to be the face of the PS3.

CCCombobreaker

@morganfell: That's kinda big talk for a game that has yet to be released.

kingmanic

@e-friend: EB/Gamestop normally has FFVII "greatest hits" copies. New and used. It's not that hard to find. . . Unlike copies of vagrant story or Valkyrie profile. Or wait for the inevitable SQEN remake/cash in. I'm not complaining. If they remake it they will get another $60 from me.

kingmanic

Has it occurred to anyone that he also just wants some former Lionhead Studios employees, the same one Molyneux heads, to succeed as an up-and-coming new company? While I have no doubt that LBP will do well, it just makes sense that he would praise a game that basically came from his former creative team. A big name like Molyneux highly regarding LBP could sell based on industry praise, but I think that's the intent. So here's looking at you LittleBigPlanet! Do what people want you to do! Sell and make people smile. :)

mikeymui

What? No love for Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction? It is like being in a Pixar film.

@morganfell: The fact that fable is moving its story along with minimal cut scenes is less next gen and more Valve / Half-Life pre next gen.

Trencher-1

@Maldron:
That they're drunk?

Archaotic

I'd say Gears is the 360's defining title. ((Halo was the Xbox's.)) But honestly, the fact that a bunch of the console owners still get together for Gears Deathmatches so long after its release says something.

Maldron

@KEELr:
Well, I wouldn't say that...MGS4 did what it set out to do, it performed well, and it sold a lot of systems. I don't think anyone ever expected it to take on a Halo-esque "synonymous with the system" transcendental status, though.

And the game's better off for it, too. -_-;

Archaotic

There really is no single defining title for the PS3. It's all the games as a whole that define it. Games like MGS4, Singstar, LittleBigPlanet, God of War, Resistance 2 and Gran Turismo 5 alone do not define the PS3 since many cater to different tastes in gaming, except for people like me who plan to buy them all.

Pizookie

Little big planet.

Rakotto

I find it a little disappointing Kotaku neglected to mention that immediately afterwards, the entire second half of the article is Molyneux talking praise on LittleBigPlanet. =/

@kingmanic:
GameStop doesn't sell PS1 games anymore, actually...

Archaotic

I think he is right on this. There really hasn't been that one game which drives sales and provides a unique experience. It's either multi-platform third party games, or next-gen sequels to older IP.

Final fantasy 13 would have been the killer ap, but it's no longer exclusive. LBP is being hyped way too much by the enthusiast press, which is not a good sign. Remember, the same was done for Killzone as a halo-killer and system seller on the ps2, and while still a good game, it never lived up to the hype.

raiseplease

I think he's somewhat right.
The 360 has Halo/Gears
Wii has Wiifit/WiiSports
PS3 will get LBP/Killzone 2.
MGS4 didnt really pack the punch everyone expected from It.

KEELr

What is he even going on about? As far as I was aware Fable 2 isn't even coming out on the PS3? Why is someone who's not even supporting a system rambling on about it??

goddessakasha

This is a silly topic but fable 2 is going to great as far as defining titles Gears for sure on 360 and ps3 honestly mgs4 really isnt that great I mean its good but not that good. I would say resistence and maybe LBP as much as i hate to say that and screw Ico that game is crap striaght up.

evetssteve

In my eyes...

Sega Genesis: Sonic the Hedgehog 2
SNES: The Legend of Zelda A Link To The Past
N64: Goldeneye/Super Mario 64
PS1: Final Fantasy VII
PS2: God Of War
PSP: Lumines
PS3: MGS4
Xbox: Halo
Xbox 360: Gears of War
Gamecube: Metroid Prime
Wii: The Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess
DS: New Super Mario Bros/Mario Kart

Elemence

@Archaotic: That they have taste?

Sweetsauce

@Archaotic: I find it a little disappointing Kotaku neglected to mention that immediately afterwards, the entire second half of the article is Molyneux talking praise on LittleBigPlanet.

The article would have received fewer hits had it been titled "Peter Molyneux: LittleBigPlanet Could Be PS3's Defining Title."

This was disingenuous reporting, plain and simple.

Star A.D.

@Andronix: Agreed 100%. If you want to talk about a "defining" game for a console; I believe that game should be a whole new IP. Something new that hasn't been seen before, for a new console generation. For the 360, that game is definitely Gears of War. There hasn't been such a game for the PS3 yet, but maybe LBP will be it.

robinandtami

I admit I'm not a Sony guy, but I hope it isn't LBP. If it's a hit and Sackboy does end up to be the PS3 mascot that Sony is so desperately trying to make it, then we'll have other publishers trying to pull that off with their own cute little abominations, their marketing machine playing it like it's a foregone conclusion that Bubsy II is a beloved icon of gaming culture before the game is even out.

Madeira

@Archaotic: The 2 EB's by my house have copies. I don't know about gamestop as there are none in my town. They are the same company though.

kingmanic

/me enters thread about to type "METAL GEAR SOLID 4 LOLOL"
Damnit. Already said about a bajillion times.
Yeah, I love the way Fable2 is taking the "Half-Life" approach and letting you interact constantly.

Anyway, LBP and MGS are the PS3 in 2008's defining titles.
Did you know why there's no defining titles yet?
Because devs haven't unlocked the full potential of the PS3 yet.

Eranmane

Oh, and a single player game as a defining title? Are you kidding me?! The only exception can be for the Wii, but single player games lack replayability and only last for a month maximum. (Excluding KOTOR I) (ah yes i bet i sound stupid now that I have a single player game i'd play over and over)

Shockadin

He says maybe, but in reality he's thinking Fable 2 is the 360's defining title. Aaaah no. Halo 3 is our title. Oh, but we must hate Halo 3 since so many people like it. Oh no, the cool kids like halo 3 now, it must be a generic shooter thats overhyped. grow up. It was amazing.

Shockadin

A system has a "defining" game because all its other exclusive games are not phenomenal. How many 360-exclusive games are actually worth playing? GOW? H3? They are just games hyped to the death. GOW's multiplayer is a joke.

eternalsunshineofcoralfang

Can a title that hasn't even been released yet be considered a "defining" title? Maybe I'm pointing out the obvious but...

Littlebigplanet ships next month and how long has the PS3 been out? God of War 3 ships sometime in 2009, MAG (have we even seen actual game play yet?), and the next FF sometime in 20XX? No one sees an issue with any of this?

GrassJelly

Looks like you didn't continue reading the entire article Bashcraft:

GI: "do you hope that LittleBigPlanet could be that defining game for the PS3? "

PM: "I think LBP could be one of those. "

Barbara

Man, what is that guy smoking?! I swear, give him a couch, a background, an hour-long weekly tv spot and have him talk about the "industry" as he sees it: comedy and ratings guaranteed!

Anyway, as far as PS3 'defining' titles go, I'd say first MGS 4, if simply for what it accomplishes technically and graphically.

But I would have to disagree on Resistance.
Don't get me wrong here, I LOVE Resistance. I'm eagerly expecting R2 ( Collector's Edition is already pre-ordered). But from an objective stand-point, its pretty much only the result of Half-Life and Call of Duty meeting in a bar, having a few drinks and well..yeah. My point here is, it's not that original of a game. Just another FPS. A great one? Absolutely, in my opinion the best on the console even. Just not that unique.

On the other hand, I'm curious about LBP and fully intend on trying it, but I'm also probably one of the six people not expecting it to be the second coming or whatever. I probably won't buy it because I can't imagine myself playing a game like this for hours. Nonetheless, if I had to call an upcoming game 'PS3 defining' that would be the one.

Fieldy

@Talleh: Yes, because COD4 is an exclusive Xbox 360 title.

Yeesh, people are using multi-platform games to define their beloved consoles nowadays.

Pizookie

@Talleh:
This holiday isn't looking to be the same, at all. Unless you hate all the games in Sony's lineup. Everyone's been saying that the PS3 has the best lineup this holiday. SOCOM, Wipeout, Resistance 2, LittleBigPlanet, Naruto, White Knight Chronicles, Valkyria Chronicles (for Japan) and so on.

And about that RPG(s) you're waiting for, Disgaea 3 is out, Valkyria Chronicles is coming out November, White Knight Chronicles is approaching, Eternal Sonata gets a PS3 port, and so on

DustySword

Peter reminds me the hell out of my history teacher =]

infestedDemon

@evetssteve:

What... the... hell... What Ico game? You mean the PS3 one that's not even out yet? Obvious troll is obvious?

DustySword

As I see it, Fable 2 will be big, but not a defining title on the level of Halo 3, or CoD4. If you ask a normal person, what game they think about when they hear 360, they'll probably say Halo or CoD. Ask them for PS3, and they'll probably say movies, or blu-ray. I'd love to see a singular game that would be so amazing, that PS3s fly off shelves. Right around last holiday season, I wasn't able to find a single 360 elite or premium, in any store, in a 15 mile radius around the city I live in.

Every store me and a friend visited, had at least one PS3 in stock. At the time, there weren't all that many games, but this holiday is looking to be the same, with almost no exclusive games to justify the PS3 being out by then. I'm seeing LBP and Resistance 2. LBP looks great, but I don't think that it will catch on, or be the hardware mover they want. I wish some RPGs would come out for PS3. I loved my PS2 because there were many quality RPGs for it, and now the 360 is that.

When I think of the PS3, I think of a stereotypical European person. Games that are artistic, zen, and puzzles. Not shooters and action games. Flow, flower, there was this third person action rpg who's demo I played but the name escapes me but looked promising.

Talleh

@RuneX21:
A platformer? A niche title? You're kidding, right?

So far, I would say LittleBigPlanet, but the Playstation brand never has been about just one defining mascot, but many. Crash (in the old days), Syphon Filter, Twisted Metal, God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, etc.

DustySword

Please get to work on a new Populous, Mr Molyneux.

Obli

No good system has one or two defining titles--only failed systems or systems that weren't market leaders. Xbox - Halo 1 and 2
N64 - Goldeneye and Mario 64
Dreamcast - Soul Calibur and Phantasy Star Online

For the truly great and/or popular systems, it's not so easy:

SNES - FF6? FF4? Chrono Trigger? Super Mario World? Super Mario Kart? Link to the Past? A bajillion others?

PS1 - MGS? Resident Evil 1/2? Tekken 3? Final Fantasy VII? Final Fantasy Tactics? Symphony of the Night?

I actually do agree with Molyneux in the sense that the PS3 hasn't had a truly killer exclusive yet, but then I'm the only person that outright HATED MGS4 (and I'm saying that as a former MGS WHORE). Resistance 2, LBP, and Killzone 2 hopefully will fill the gap.

pico77

@evetssteve:
I'm not talking to you :/ You get a life or whatever.

DustySword

@DustySword:
Dick Im just saying the game looks like crap get over yourself get a life or whatever.

evetssteve

@goddessakasha:
why do i have to support a system to talk about it. I find that a bit retarded sorry.

evetssteve

@morganfell:
Wow, "truly next-gen". You're in the beta at least, I presume? Or at least a company representative? Fanboy, much? Because that's major talk for a game that isn't even out.

DustySword

sorry didnt mean to confuse you just stating that i think fable 2 will be great before talking about the defining games crap and your right i dont support one system i like them all kinda. Not really into all that fanboy nonsense i just like dislike games not systems

evetssteve

1st party Sony devs never get the respect they deserve.

BallPtPenTheif

@sascha23: Oh and I forgot Resistance, God of War and Killzone. But, who's counting. ;)

sascha23

MGS4, LBP, Uncharted, Ratchet not good enough for you Mr. Molyneux?

Then again, if my paycheck was delivered by M$, I would have said something similar to that.

sascha23

LittleBigPlanet
MGS4
God of War 3
Killzone..

I don't know. My PS3 has nice games, and I enjoy playing it. End of story. lol

Final Fantasy WOULD have come to mind...

aR-Tard

@aR-Tard:You're already playing GW3 and LBP? You have a time machine?

GrassJelly

what an ASS.

between Uncharted, MGS4, Gran Tourismo, and upcoming killer apps: KillZone 2 and Little Big Planet. i think the PS3 has plenty of exclusive AAA "defining titles" for a variety of tastes- to say nothing of all the incredible non-exclusive gems that everyone has been playing for the past 2 years. in fact i think the variety of defining games speaks a lot to the fact that a large and varied demographic can identify with the playstation as a brand.

when the majority of gamers look back on Xbox or Xbox 360 and thinks of Fable or Fable 2 as the "definitive" titles, i'll eat my hat. i owned the first Xbox and i dared to believe his hype (with caution) and was hugely let down by the monotony of Fable. i just bought a 360 a couple weeks back- and i have learned my lesson: Fable 2 is nowhere near my list of wanted games this upcoming holiday season- and neither is it on my list of bargain-bin pick-ups for later next year.

what a trash-talking clown...

laser beams

Don't care about 'defining' titles but sure would like a hell of lot more decent games!!!!

fragmaster

Oh, and of course Uncharted, too. One of the few games of that type I've played through multiple times.

FreakyFavabean

MGS4, LBP, Resistance and Motorstorm are all amazing games (well, I'm just assuming LBP will be) and they are worthy of representing the console. And how come nobody ever mentions Warhawk? That game does not get its due respect.

FreakyFavabean

Littlebigplanet, most likely. 360's would probably be Halo 3.

HikariOblivion

@morganfell: way to compare one game you prolly didnt play with another (of another genre) you havent yet at all.

@DragonNinja: when did a few of you get together and decide MGS4 wasnt a great game? seriously. it needed an editor, no doubt, but its still GOTY from what ive played so far, and the online's not bad but not for everyone. seriously, im not trying to bait, but did a few of you (not necessarily this guy) decide once it wasnt going multi-plat it should be downplayed or something?

TheIrishNinja

@pico77: why "hated" Mgs4? also, its funny seeing PSO as a DC one. PSO was great, dont get me wrong, just not one of the ones usually listed as its top games.

TheIrishNinja

@evetssteve: see right here, your opinions are questionable at best. MGS4 can be debated (especially if you didnt play the rest of the series) but Ico is anything but crap.

TheIrishNinja

i sort of hate this mentality.

its like saying a system is more or less made up of only a few titles, when its strength should be its variety. Many here could name their favorite PS2 titles, none of which might appear on the top 20 sales.
and there's a number of those (okami, shadow of the colossus, psychonauts etc) that we'd likely agree on, too. to say that the PS2 was defined by say, madden, mgs2, GTA3, etc is selling any system short. that's true of the SNES, DC, and most great systems, so again, i wish people would stop looking for flagships or just sequels to what they recognize, its that kind of thinking that has fanboys waiting on, i dont know, God of War 3 before the PS3 is "serious", as if all the other fun titles add up to nothing 'cause you didnt give them a chance.

TheIrishNinja

I want a Pacman remake for the PS3...

Seriously though... When I think PS2 I think Tekken, Gran Turismo, and Final Fantasy

Penny29

I'm still waiting for a defining title from Peter Molyneux that dosen't rip me off for fifty bucks like Fable did.

haydenaurian

@evetssteve: Because then you at least your comments, particularly if you are a software developer, seem a bit more valid?

How is he helping improve the situation? By complaining? Why should we even care what he says?

goddessakasha

Don't agree. Sony has some great games; genres you can't find on the competition. The thing is, outside of MGS4, alot of these games haven't been properly marketed and don't have the buzz of 360 games. I'm looking at you UnCharted and Warhawk. The number of exclusive games Sony has shipped since last August (roughly a year's time) is impressive. Not to mention they share in all the great multiplatform games.

Halo and Gears are really the bread and butter of the 360. Any online shooter does well there, but Sony's approach has always been diversity. That diversity can segment hardcore gamers early on, because everyone may not be interested in R&C for example. As time goes on, the strength of diversity will grow and be more appreciated. My guess is by the end of this fiscal year (March 09).

cornerman8

@kakihara: it's like you read my mind

Kartune

@Melee Is Best:

Your absolutely correct Gears is not an FPS its a TPS!
Third Person Shooter. -but you know what I mean.

Andronix

MGS4 isnt defining peter?

reaper208

Guys, Peter Molyneux is out of his mind. He doesn't even know about MGS4. That's the PS3's defining title.

caffolote

i think its better for a system to have several defining titles, for their different audiences.

i think the ps3 definitely manages to have definining titles for certain people.

metal gear solid is clearly a defining title for many, as is final fantasy, which is coming out later.. gran turismo is a defining title for many racing enthusiasts. twisted metal will be one when it comes out. these are games that lead their genre in pure unadulterated awesomeness. i think thats what makes a game a defining title, really.

joeloliol

@RealmRPGer: Yeah, you know, I think this post definitely deserves an update including the portion where Molyneux talks LBP, considering that's basically what every comment to this post is about.

RealmRPGer

@RealmRPGer: Scratch that, he does:

"I think LBP could be one of those."

RealmRPGer

This sounds like a rushed reply to finding out that LBP will be releasing soon on the PS3... Although, considering he goes on to say that "maybe Fable 2 is a defining title," he really deserves, then, to give LBP credit as a "maybe defining title" for the PS3.

RealmRPGer

As of Now:

PS1: Final Fantasy 7, Metal Gear Solid
PS2: God of War, God of War II, MGS2, MGS3, ICO, Shadow of the Colossus.
PSP: Monster Hunter 2nd G, Crysis Core, God of War: Chains of Olympus
PS3: Metal Gear Solid 4

IMO.

@DragonNinja: Metal Gear Online is a Freebie. If you don't want to play it, then don't. Many people liked it. And oh, it runs 1080p too FYI.

theEnemy

Oh boy, do we ever love Peter Molyneux talking time.
You got that right.

I agree with Molyneux. Resistance? Really? I think MGS4 did a very good job, but I don't know if that's enough to really change how most think of the PS3. Gran Turismo HD? Maybe. I think it's something that's not a series, a whole new IP that will be the definable PS3 game.

Also, I must say, I know quite a few that love the XBox distinguishably because of Fable.

stupid_mcgee

Metal Gear Solid 4 doesn't count? Rachet and Clank, Uncharted, those are preety darn good games.

He is just protecting his pocket.

yasudevil

I thought PS3's defining title already came out.

M

I have another question. Is the PS3 really needing a defining title to success? Can a game like Fable 2 define a catalogue?

I definitively see Sony playing in many fields, they have assured blockbusters in their fingers to play with without having to stress about one special game. Yes, in the past they put all the food on few plates (MGS games, GT games) but why to concentrate now in the finding of the defining game? to be considered an FPS console like the 360 because of GoW and Halo games? Look at Wii Sports, good for nintendo sales but lock the console in customer minds.

I understand his vision because he is a developper but as a customer I really don't care. I loved Drake's fortune, loved MGS4 and will love White knight Story for example.

Désolé pour mon anglais :/

Bidule

@TheIrishNinja:
I agree Mgs4 can be debated thats for sure and i sorry you guys have misunderstood i didnt say ico was crap i was saying that from what ive seen so far i was not impressed sorry.

evetssteve

@BigWeather: That's fair.

Bernard McGraw

What happened to Metal Gear Solid 4? thats the best game on any system, how can it not be defining?

thedarkmarc