@stupid_mcgee: I really hope it shows in sales. Fallout isn't quite as close to the mainstream taste as Spore or certain MMOGs, but I wish them a million sales or two for the PC in adequate time.

If they manage to beat their DRM-encrusted rivals, that would be a day to celebrate, though. :D

lumpi

Good to hear, good to hear :)

"Not as good for Bethesda" -> Hmm, I'm sorry, but how so? I mean, Spore is a pretty good example of how DRM is a total failure when it comes to preventing piracy, the game being available before its actual store avilability again? The only people who were harmed were, again, legitimate users.

Bethesda only realised that they can't stop pirates (which is, I agree, a real problem, I'm not for a "let's do nothing" solution either!) without harming legitimate buyers much more, and took a healthy decision in that regard.

MadGodji

@Acklan: Well they realize the game will be pirated to hell and back no matter what they do.

STILL... DRM is not going anywhere. As long as companies put out games and do it in a smart and non-extreme invasive way (ala Steam), it won't be the problem that EA has on their hands.

FrigidAir44

Good, I am cool with this.

Kenoji

Good for them. Hopefully PC sales will be good and this will influence future devs to see that little to no DRM is the best answer. If you know anyone that does pirate this game, guilt trip them about forcing DRM on the rest of us.

stupid_mcgee

How kind of them.

flyingsupernerds

@lumpi: Mirror's Edge is almost definitely going to be draconian.

Poo_and_Weeeee

@mshimer5: It doesn't access any data from the disk at all.

dobilay

Even@Jellocakes: What you fail to realize is that even if it was PC only, the sales would generally be the same with or without the hackers.

The hackers only supply the people who wouldn't buy it because they didn't want to or don't have money anyways. The amount of people who can afford games but get hacked copies anyway are the minority and would not have that much impact on the income of the publisher/developer.

SeraphX2

@Acklan: No, I think it's clearing ... sun is shining through

kazemizuhi

@GcRayden: Sweet baby Jesus. That's what I'd call a legal virus...

Northern Cat

...and after a hard couple of months, a little bit of SunScramble's faith in the game industry is miraculously restored.

Looks like Fallout 3 PC's back on my shopping list, woot!

SunScramble

Getting it for the 360 instead of the ps3 (exclusive dlc)

Still applause worthy that Bethesda skipped drm for the pc version. I just hope it won't hurt them in the wallet too much. Especially since it'll be an attractive game to have a pirate copy of since there is no multiplayer to speak of.

JakeDunn

I recently got secuROM installed on my pc through crysis and now I can't right click anything or explorer crashes. I found a way to disable the secuROM context menu and then it works perfect but when I reboot, windows gives me the BSOD and makes me do that vista restore bullshit.

I didn't really have an opinion on DRM and thought everyone was bitchin over nothing, but now I see for myself what damage it can do.

GcRayden

*pats Bethesda* Good boys! (and girls, for that matter)
Very good!

Eruanno

Good for Bethesda. DRM really just pisses everyone off anyway. Since no DRM is unbreakable, it would just be hacked and people would just use the noninvasive version. While the whole issue of right and wrong is still debatable, DRM does not, at all, deter piracy. Worst case, it enhances it. So why bother?

I'll be happy to keep my disc in the drive if that's all it requires (too much crap on hard disk already, thank you.)

Ber'Zophus

It will sell millions of copies on the consoles no doubt but without that crutch and if they were relying on the PC alone I think they would be singing a different tune about DRM.

They dont have to force the issue on the PC because the bulk of their sales are going to be from other platforms.

Jellocakes

This is a commendable move on Bethesda's part, and it alone should serve as an excellent reason for us to purchase Fallout 3.

"Vote with your wallet" is what I always say.

TheDarwinian

They really can do no wrong.

Kudos Bethesda, for making all gamers lives a little bit less stressful.

EA, Sony, and all the rest FUCK YOU for stressing us all out and making gaming life irritating.

Dappa

Woooo, way to go Bethesda!

y2julio

That's the way it should be done.

And guess what? The game will sell millions of copies. Hopefully a lesson to everybody else.

badasscat

Nice! I wanted to get this for the PC and thankfully I won't have to worry about any SecuROM BS.

While I prefer DD for PC gaming, I have no problem going to Best Buy and picking up a disc copy. It's nice to see that at least some developers aren't drinking the piracy kool-aid.

I'd encourage anyone that has a PC that can run this game to pick it up for that instead of a console. Maybe if other companies see that Fallout 3 can achieve high sales while at the same time not having intrusive DRM to stop "teh piratez" it'll change the perspective of some publishers/developers.

...hey, I'm allowed to dream aren't I?

CoyoteGamer

Ah hell, it's going to require a disk in the tray?

Boo, I actually like the idea of internet activation (not so much for the idea of a limited number of activations that you can't get back though).

All I really want from this DRM stuff is to have the choice between having the bloody disk in the tray (which I HATE) or allowing activation over the internet.

Them saying that they basically won't have any, and then saying that they will have some but it'll just be mild are contradictions.

Something about this doesn't add up and I'd feel better if they actually said what exactly they will be doing.

I hope that it's truely no DRM, like sins of a solar empire.

dear god I hate having to have the disk in the tray, it's such a pain when you habitually play 4 or 5 different games in the same rough timeframe.

juc

no online activation?

yakkowarner

Considering how [i]no[/i] form of DRM is secure, [i]ever[/i], and how DRM inclusion does absolutely nothing to stem the tide of piracy and [i]tons of things[/i] to piss off paying customers, it's a much better policy to not even bother with it than include it so clueless executives and investors can be satiated with a "look, we're doing something about piracy".

Atheist Jew

@stereoa: They don't actually access much, if any, game data from the disc. But instead, they just check to see if it is in there. That is why it is so easy to crack.

mshimer5

I am so excited for this game I can't even explain it, I am also very glad it has no DRM to mess with the computer.

stormcrow85

How about no DRM at all. DVD drives can't read faster than a HDD.

stereoa

Well, what's the point of DRM anyway, Spore was on torrents days before it was released...

Thumbs up for Bethesda. I have Fallout 3 pre-ordered for quite some time and I'm glad they haven't changed their mind about their copy protection. Wouldn't want to cancel my pre-order of Fallout 3 because of DRM.

Pepek

*applause*

Another example for how you can avoid crappy, intrusive DRM products, and still buy kick-ass games. I won't miss you, SecuROM.

Now please, the same announcement for GTA4 PC and Mirror's Edge. I'd like to check those out as well.

lumpi

I would buy it for console anyway, but this sure is great for the inclined PC gamers out there.

Hawko

Oh look. A developer that actually realises the problems with DRM...

Is the sky falling?

Acklan

Great!

PatMan33

Sounds good to me. Kudos, Bethesda!

kylenalepa

Good on Bethesda. Now I just hope I get my 360 back from repair before fallout 3 is released :P

strix

I knew I made a good decision when I decided to preorder the collectors edition for the PC. Kudos to Bethesda for being a company that is worth supporting and listens to the consumer.

OUberLord

@F22: Uh..No. Console games are DRM'd to heck as well. Region coding is a form of DRM. You must have the disc no matter what. You can only use them on specific hardware. Mods must be made on a PC and only one of the three platforms has any inkling to allow them and there is no way around it. Outside of the tiny number of games that use Sony's current version of SecuROM with limited activations enabled, PC DRM is much better than console DRM.

Derangel

Speaking of disc-free hacks, does anyone know if freeinfosociety.com hacks can be trusted? I want to use one for Civ4 - for convenience, I have the hard copy - but not sure how up and up they are. Anyone have any experience?

dirtybacon

@F22: Wait, what?
Got that backwards?

Setzer IIDX

GcRayden, I feel you pain. I just had to reformat my computer last week to get rid of secuROM. What a pain in the behind.

TheDarwinian

Still broken about which system I'm going to pick this up for. PC or PS3? :/ Well, at least I don't have the 360 version to choose from as well.

Đipic

one of the many reasons why consoles > pc

F22

Sounds great. I'd buy it for the PC if I had one. As it stands I'm getting it for the 360.

RoboticSpacePenguin

@yakkowarner: Oblivion didn't require any.

electroshockwave

Want to know another really good DRM method? Make the game like 25 gigs. 3 DVDs.

With all the new ISP bandwidth limits we're starting to see, I think a 25gig download would surely deter some people.

Jay

Even though I'll be getting the PS3 version I still think this is a great move by Bethesda. DRM only punishes those who bought the game legitimately.

@Pepek: DRM isn't about preventing piracy, it's about preventing second-hand sales.

electroshockwave

Sold!

TheGreySpectre

@Poo_and_Weeeee: I heard. :(

They can still rethink their decision, though.

lumpi

@Đipic:

pc

the pc and 360 get exclusive DLC, you will not want to miss out on that

JakeDunn

Sweet.

Basically, if it's good, I'll buy it. If it's good but unreasonably restricted, I'll download it, and even tell them to their faces I did. I had no problems with Oblivion PC...

A lot of newer big title games though, look good but not great, and are wrapped in DRM scumware, so I simply never even try them because it's not worth the risk.

But ultimately, it'll be cracked and pirated by whomever wants to regardless. If they can maintain good will with their customers, more will buy, at least by my non-statistical reckoning...

fuchikoma

Ordered the Collectors Ed and cant wait . I Get the game and my son gets the lunch box :)

Quazimojo

@juc:

Are you seriously complaining that they opt to require you to have the disk in the drive instead of using an intrusive, and potentially dangerous DRM? I understand that it's much more convenient to not need to swap disks, but seriously, it takes you 5 seconds as long as you keep track of your disks. I will take this over a real DRM any day.

Nice work Bethesda!

riot9

FUCK YES! A company that actually gets it! I just went and preordered the ultimate edition from Amazon upon hearing this news.

I'm really hoping the PC version of Fallout 3 is a success so that other companies realize that DRM does nothing but hinder the user experience and piss off users.

wiregr

I'm sure the pirates and illegal downloaders appreciate the hell out of it too.

Suberus

...and this is why Bethedsa gets to have my money instead of EA/Spore.

Good job Bethedsa! Can't wait to play Fallout 3 on my PC!

axiomatic

A well-thought gesture from Bethesda. And a lesson well-learned by Take-Two.

Rebochan

Thanks Bethesda/Take2, I look forward to purchasing this game, I wanted to give you my money and use my bad-ass PC (as opposed to the 360). Thank you.

BTW, EA's use of securom isn't really against the pirates, but against the consumer. It prevents the consumer from selling a title they rightfully purchased. Securom keeps the infected games out of the used game market. They just used the Higalean Dialectic to push DRM

Problem: Pirates!!!

Reaction: We have to stop them!

Solution: DRM that screws over legit customers while pirates still able to get the games for free minus the DRM.

Esotericly the truth of the matter with EA and DRM is.

Problem: The customers can legally sell the game they legally bought.

Reaction: We must stop them.

Solution: Crippling Virus-like DRM

mraltoid19

If the framerate on the 360 is anything like Oblivion's 360 framerate, I'll have to get it for PC.

Lixie

@MadGodji: Precisely....I thought Oblivion saw wonderful sales?

Ajh

For pirates DRM=Doesn't Really Matter

Jaysius

I wish I was interested in Fallout 3.. I'd love to support this whole no drm thing.

@Jay: Warhammer beta client was 9gb. Comcast disconnected my internet even though I was throttling my upload and download speeds at a reasonable rate(they just do it if they see ANY BT traffic) from the official torrent...3 times.

Ajh

Yay for the ability to learn from the mistakes of others.

EmeraldDragon

I'll be putting my money where my mouth is and am definately buying this game.

FlashIV

If I weren't buying this for 360 already, this would be a definite PC purchase for me. I have a lot of respect for publishers who do the right thing (don't f*** up your computer)

Callidux

God, Kotaku stop... the whining, the belly aching. No issues with Spore or Crysis Warhead. Day one purchases. Reactivation is a breeze (Ars Technica even proved it).

Keep whining, they even released some of it (the evil drm, bad man ooooo, spooky!).

If it had SecuROM or not, I would still be buying this title. End of story.

Ken

I disagree with the comment "Not as good for Bethesda as something more secure" because something more secure would provide exactly the same protection against piracy: None at all.

I'll probably just play the 360 version though, unless some interesting mod tools come out later for the PC. I actually preferred using a gamepad for Oblivion over the mouse/kb.

techknight

@Acklan: Valve recognises the problem as well, as they're non-extreme with their DRM. EA and a few others have much to learn.

Eranmane

This makes me tempted to buy the game even though the gore puts me off of it.

Zunnoab

@GcRayden: The problem you're seeing is due to a fairly rare incompatibility between various types of securrom, it's also really easy to fix, there should be a patch for it.

I remember the first patch from mass effect had the same issue, for about 1 day before a new patch was released to fix that.

juc

It's good to see that Bethesda is confident about their product.

I'm pretty sure they know that acting like a bunch of paranoid idiots and plastering their game with DRM is only going to be detrimental to profit, since DRM does NOTHING BUT WASTE MONEY at the moment.

I wonder when will the other developers and publishers wake up from their dreams of a world with no piracy.

cythas

@juc: 2 words: Alcohol 120%

(if you dont feel like googling, it allows you to mount images as virtual discs. i.e. you can just store the disc in an image format and forget about the disc. Does wonders :) )

9a3eedi

@juc:

I think the point was that, even if there is a fix, the simpler solution would be to never have had the problem.

Imagine buying a toaster that featured on the box that it would light your kitchen on fire when plugged in. You know, as a security feature to keep you from giving the toaster to someone else.

Doomcryer

Hurray for Beth, still the move won't really help them much because of all the whiny fallout fans that have canceled their pre-orders for some other esoteric reason.

mikemil828

Yeah it wiered, I went to buy Oblivian GOTY from Gamestop and the employee told me that I couldn't get it because they couldn't find the disk key? I went online to search for this issue and came up with the fact that the game has no key just the disks and thats it. WoW, I brought my lappy into store to show manager and then got my game. This is deffinitly not the norm for PC gamers. But at least I know I won't have any issues when I need to format or get another PC inthe house.

JorgieX

the sad thing about this whole situation is that its still gonna get pirated its unaviodable

face0324

@juc:

That's like complaining about having to pick up a different book to read it. I'm not saying that's not a legitimate complaint, but damn, the next step down on the laziness ladder involves eating through a tube, and I'm pretty sure that's a privilege reserved for coma patients.

Doomcryer

For this reason alone, people should buy three copies just to cheer Bethesda on.

HepCat

@Eranmane:
Valve not extreme!?
You can't resell anything you buy. You're not allowed to share anything you buy. Anything that has securom or anything else attached to it, will also on Steam.

Steam is the "perfect" restrictive service. It's non-invasive, and is friendly, but while doing so, greatly restricts you.

orentholjames

I will say this: I pirated my copy of TES4: Oblivion.

BUT!

I bought it 3 days later.

Basically all the stores were sold out near by of the PC version, and I'm an addict, so I illegally downloaded it.

What I did was wrong, but I did fork over full price for the game.

AlanR

Yet another reason why bethsoft rules the planet. I've preordered the Xbox version but I'll probably get the PC version once the editor drops and some good mods come out, like I did with Oblivion

kidko

@Suberus: Will make a negligible difference at best. Some hacker out there will spend 1 less night on a workaround - so what? It'd be out on the torrent sites days before the street date regardless of what DRM they used. Might as well cater to those who would legally purchase the game anyway, like me.

I've had my PC CE preordered for over a month now.

SmilingPolitely

"Not as good for Bethesda as something more secure, but the fans will surely appreciate the hell out of it."

Agree with the latter, but not the former. Anyone who can circumvent a simple disc check can just as easily circumvent a more complex form of DRM. And by circumvent I mean download a crack/patch/hack/full image of any given software.

This move can only benefit Bethesda.

SmilingPolitely

This is all so much PR hoo-ha. As everyone knows, Bethesda have always implemented the ultimate form of anti-piracy protection: giant-ass games which take a week to torrent and ultimately appeal to a niche market which appreciates the value of ren faires and fantasy sword replicas.

Calhoun

Woooooo hoooooooO!!! yay!

jafoca

WHOO! Proof that there are still developers out there that TRUST their followers. Take note, EA.

"Pete Hines: That's a good question. I don't actually know. [ed- Fallout 3 has no install limit.] " <--- Best news I've heard all day since Sin and Punishment 2 was announced.

Rctdaemon

I often pointed at Oblivion as an example of a game that succeeded on PC despite not even requiring a CD key.

Shoemaster

@orentholjames: the point is it's friendly. As long as it's just you using the game it's very nice. So if you don't copy the game it feels like there's no DRM.

Which isn't the case with Spore, as an example.

DoctorSaliva

I was considering torrenting this game. Now I will buy it.

Siskoraban

@fuchikoma:
What good will downloading restricted games do? Won't it just support the industry's claim that their game failed because it was pirated too much.

Just stay away from that crap.

Rohit_N

If anyone pirates this game, I don't care what the reason, you are a motherfucking douche.

The PC gaming market is going extinct. I don't want to have to play FPS games with a damn controller, see the end of the mod scene and pay more, because of dicks who don't appreciate the good thing we've got.

Here's a game with a huge PC community already behind it, almost guaranteed downloadable content both free and paid, barely any copy protection and will probably be only $40 in Jan if you shop around.

Bethesda is taking a big chance when even PC loyalists like Epic are bailing.

No fucking excuses.

ArcaneDevice

@Atheist Jew: Don't forget... companies including DRM have to license the DRM tech they are using. With all the fervor over DRM recently too, NOT having DRM is like...having someone pay you money to give you good publicity.

Zegridathes

@mikemil828:
Please. We're the minority here. Besides, I doubt the hardcore had the game preordered in the first place.

Rohit_N

@TheDarwinian: Agreed! Here, here!

collider

@juc:

Irrelevant. No copy-protection application should root itself so firmly into an OS that it can disable basic OS functionality like right-clicking, and disabling portions of said application can cause the OS to fail to boot.

Heck, no application should do that, period.

Koztah

@SmilingPolitely: Not saying it would make a difference. Just saying that they're appreciative that they don't have to do any work at all.

It's very wise of Bethesda to go this route. It's just a shame that such a great company (and other great companies) have to lose so much money by having their games stolen.

"So what?" Yeah, it might happen anyway, regardless of DRM effort, but it doesn't make it right. Or ok. Or definitely not legal.

Suberus

@TheHeartless: won't ever happen unless the PC stops becoming profitable to develope for, despite piracy

belo

@TheHeartless: It will never happen. Your solution is so full of overkill it's kind of like blowing your brains out with a shotgun because you have a headache.

homernoy

It will be interesting to see how this title sells...

Defoliantonthemoneytree

Yay! Even more reason to buy Fallout 3!

I'll probably buy it twice, knowing that in 2-3 years - I'll lose the CDs and have a itch to play it again.

Cpryd001

I hate to say it, and no one wants to hear it, but the solution is to stop developing for the PC as a platform. This tug of war between consumers and game makers will not end until the product simply ceases to be. The PS3 and 360 are not so easily raped and exploited for hackers, and as such, no one has this dilemma of "who really bought the game and who stole it," and that's why those consoles are no-brainers for people to develop on.

TheHeartless

Goes to the "to be buyed" list. I'm getting this just for the sake of no DRM.

Yas

@Infamous.mpgEU: although somebody will complain of something minor to justify that they wanted to keep their money

Infamous.mpgEU

@Northern Cat: You should google for the Sony BMG rootkit, and Celine Dion killing Macs

Shin-san

@juc: With Oblivion, you could take the disc out of the drive once it started up

Shin-san

@stereoa: The DRM on Oblivion is almost next to nothing. You can literally start up the game and take the disc out of the drive.

Shin-san

theres no excuse to download it now....

Infamous.mpgEU

I like how people are whining about having to have the disk in the tray. Way to show you're not spoiled there, guys.

Jonn

@ArcaneDevice:
Agreed. I may not like what Fallout 3 is shaping up to be, but I applaud Bethesda for not putting DRM in the game.

Rohit_N

I actually haven't been terribly interested in this game until a few days ago. This simply makes me want it that much more.

NitrousO

I'll be getting it for the 360 although I may get another copy for the PC once it's cheaper for the pc (did for orange box as well). It would be nice if you bought one version of the game you had rights to the pc version as well, (ie. pop in the dvd for the 360 into your pc and it authenticates with a web server allowing you to download and play the game for the pc provided you have the disk in the tray). I know it is far too much to ask for, but I am tired of waiting for COD4 for the PC to drop in price. I would also like to try Oblivion on the PC but I have already played through it on the 360 and I am not going to spend any more money on it.

CyberG4

Then I'm very happy to buy it.

Mister Adequate

@TheHeartless: Yeah, what solution to what problem? There are developers still making good money on PC and many of whom that don't put restrictive DRM on their stuff. So why would they stop developing for PC when it's cheaper to develop for with fewer startup hurdles and no costly submission processes along with losing half your profits to the royalties paid to the platform holders?

Joebob-X

@Ken: Well we aren't you and ONE case of someone saying "oh, I could reactivate this no problem" is not as big a deal as someone else saying "yeah, I installed this and my computer became unstable!"

We're not whining, we're legitimately concerned over what could happen to our computers if we install this obtrusive software. Bethesda making this move just means they're listening to us. You are not everyone so don't act like you are.

Joebob-X

@Luziphir:

I'm fine with requiring the disc in the drive - especially if it means that we don't have overly restrictive DRM like with Mass Effect, Spore, Warhead etc...

I wasn't actually going to pick up Fallout 3 on release because i've never played the first two (was going to pick it up once the price had dropped a bit) but i might just go out and buy it on principle to support this type of protection over limited installs etc.

Duoae

@Suberus: They aren't going to lose money over this. You can't count all pirated copies as lost sales. But the sales boost they will probably get from all of us being happy will likely more than counter actual lost sales from piracy.

Joebob-X

Hopefully they wont require a disc in the drive to play. It's incredibly easy to bypass and annoying for those of us who don't want to crack a game we bought.

Luziphir

If I were actually interested in Fallout 3...I wouldn't hesitate to buy the game. That goes for any company taking the minimal or no-DRM route. If I had plenty of money laying around I would buy it just to support the company because of this stance.

thor79

@JakeDunn: Actually, this will make it attractive to purchase because Gamers will feel safe when buying it. Having Securom makes it attractive to pirate...funny how that works.

Joebob-X

@Joebob-X: True, you can't count ALL pirated copies as lost sales, as long as you count the unsuccessful crack/hack attempts that are put online.

Some money would still be lost in the successful attempts. It may not be very substantial comparatively, but it will still be there.

I don't think there will be a sales boost over this. I think the game is going to sell phenomenally well anyway. But that's because Bethesda has proven they can make a quality product.

If nobody lost money over piracy, companies wouldn't consider going console only. Being a programmer myself, I understand why others in the industry take such extreme measures.

Suberus

I could just hug those guys!

marcus1060

*Starts a slow clap*

I love you, Bethesda, even if Oblivion wasn't as endearing as Morrowind was.

JAcK0R

I'm not sure how this is "Not as good for Bethesda as something more secure". If they went with something more secure it would have been broken anyway and they would have sold less copies with all the people boycotting the game. This really seems like a no-brainer to me.

I had a pre-order in for the PS3 version myself, but I know a few primarily PC gamers who will be happy to hear this news.

MattB

@TheDarwinian:

They've got my money for sure on this one.

kortcomponent

this might be just enough for me to go pc over 360. sweet.

thaKingRocka

That sounds good. Does this mean no CD keys or anything? Those things are always really annoying. I try to reinstall an old game but I can't just because I can't find the case or manual or whatever.

FreakyFavabean

"Not as good for Bethesda as something more secure"

DRM is killing PC gaming. Less DRM is good for Bethesda, as well as PC gamers.

L_K_M

I'm very interested in buying this game now- I'll probably need a new graphics card, but it's worth buying it just to show that big games without DRM can sell very well.

I am a big fan of the series (1 & 2 anyway), and this makes me feel confident about my purchase now.

steve

I don't care if it's just a basic DVD check again (like Oblivion) this game just got bumped to the top of my Games to Get on Release Day list. Same reason I supported Sins of a Solar Empire. Not my kind of game, and honestly I would have otherwise avoided it, but to support minimum (or no) DRM is what I'd much rather do than buy a game I actually want that limits me to 5 installs and a rootkit.

Nutlink

I'm thinking about buying this for PC over any other platform...free user mods, scalability of graphics if my PC can render better/worse then the consoles, 10$ cheaper, only advantage on the console is achievements, and even then I'll probably end up borrowing a buddies copy and 100%-ing it, after already having completed everything for the PC version, just like I've done for oblivion, because it was such a radd game, and this game is shaping up to be just as good, if not much better.

Talleh

I think it's a shame that companies are shying away from PC (GOW2) because of hackers. If you enjoy the game, purchase it, and support the people who worked hard on it. The argument shouldn't be about the extent that EA took to defend their profits, but that they had to go to extremes due to piracy.

Burlsan

"Not as good for Bethesda as something more secure, but the fans will surely appreciate the hell out of it" Have you been living under a rock? DRM is dead, it just doesn't know it yet. Sins of a Solar Empire, GalCivII, Good Old Games...

RyanCormorant

@Acklan: Get Issac on it.

tdreher

Wow! Thanks Bethesda, you've gone the way of Stardock: the way of Awesome.

Ginnsberg

@Acklan:

Yes, the sky is falling. Only because that means someone out there braver than Dude Huge! *sniff* That can't be! :P

kftgr

and for that, and that alone. I will purchase fallout 3 instead of the good ol' torrent of goodness.

squirrel_enix

@Shin-san: You fool, it's not because of the rootkit, it's because it wanted to commit suicide. Being tainted with Celine Dion's music, I wouldn't be surprised.

Also that was a joke and thank god back then I stopped listening to any mainstream music so I didn't buy any CD's back then.

Pretty much stopped listing any US/EU song around 2002 so I'm way out of touch.

Neko_Tech

Your not pulling at our gaming heart now Fahey, I don't think it'll be runny to hear PC gamers scream out in pain and agony just for your pleasure.

Finally a reason to use my Gamestop gift cards (2x$25) and I didn't have to spend a single penny (just doing web surveys and S.A Reward points) so it's a win-win situation for me except for Gamestop.

Neko_Tech

Sign me up for one. That is the best news in PC gaming for sometime.

swinghi

This may not be the most politically correct thing in the world to say, but I will pirate the hell out of this game on the PC. I'm gonna buy it for the 360, but if a dev tool and user created content comes out for it eventually for the computer I will most certainly download another copy of the game to play around with people's mods.

I don't know about the legal status of such an action, but I sure as hell can't come up with a moral stance against it.

DarknessMyOldFriend

@DarknessMyOldFriend: You make PC Jesus cry!!

Neko_Tech

@Acklan: the problem with most DRM is that in trying to stop piracy, you end up screwing the people who actually buy your game.

i'll be picking this up on consoles anyway, but still.

f0rge

@DarknessMyOldFriend: but why don't you just buy it for PC in the first place? Don't tell me achievements or I'll cry

excel_excel

@juc: www.gamecopyworld.com

They have no-dvd/cd cracks for every game ever made. You have to have the game though. They aren't a pirate site.

chantagious