@fearing: yes you are right... i dont know.. i dont think Sony could let that happen, they have so much money..

anyway with the blu-ray player i think the PS3 was always going to be fairly successful.. especially when blu-ray won the format war (thanks largely to ps3 really) so i think Valve etc.. knew it would be a system seller

cyruss

@FUCHIPATAS: Only thing the Half Life series has going for it (IMO) is it's somewhat interesting plot. The gameplay is beyond stale.

Đipic

@dipsetboy17: Note how much sweeter the PS3 is.

everybest

@fearing: @JellyDoodle: See HL Orange Box, PS3 version.

You would rather have a poorly done port now, over a quality port 4-5 months later?

AlanR

@CockroachMan:
Alright, then it will all come down to whether or not they want to work on new projects or keep porting old ones.

Demonbird

@Đipic: Because PC is and I hope will always by no. 1 for Valve, the consoles are just a way to make some more pocket monies. so I doubt they would punish PC gamers who have stuck with them all this time.

JellyDoodle

@JellyDoodle:

The same reason Rage is being gimped for the PS3 due to the spec of the Xbox360 - it makes things fair.

Is it right, though? Not so much.

Dayvie

@FUCHIPATAS: Only because both games have yet to be released.

That said, Valve does have a pretty good track record of producing quality titles.

Then again, so did id software.

AlanR

@GrandfatherParadox: HIS games work fine. It's the people EA assigns to port them to other systemss whose games don't work properly.

fearing

@Demonbird: I don't think he hates the fact that it can make money. I think he hates the fact that it is a pain to develop for. If there were a couple of ways to do your job that would both accomplish that job, but one worked smoothly, and one was difficult and ridiculously overly complicated, you'd probably hate it if someone told you that you had to do your job the ridiculously overly-complicated way.

fearing

@fearing, JellyDoodle: Tell that to Square Enix.

Besides, look how many other multiplat games get simultaneous releases, why can't Valve's games.

Đipic

@fearing: @JellyDoodle: Ask Square.

Man, all my comments are screwing up real badly. Trying to get use to this threaded view, does anybody even use classic? If they do, I'm sure all they see is me triple posting or whatever.

everybest

@everybest: No one actually liked to develop on the PS2, but they loved the sales their games got on the PS2.

If the sales or potential of sales are there, hate and dislike can be ignored.

Kenofthedead

@cyruss: Ya know Nintendo systems had always sold too, then the N64 came out and sold so-so (I loved the thing, but obviously not everyone did) and then the Gamecube came out and did even worse. Just because a name has "always sold" doesn't mean it will continue to. Yeah, there are a lot of dumb people out there who will buy something on name alone without doing any research first, but for the most part people aren't THAT dumb when asked to spend that much. The PS3 could be Sony's N64, they just gotta be careful not to make the next system thier Gamecube.

fearing

@Buttah: i wish i knew how to nominate comments for quote of the week

invictus13

@GrandfatherParadox: work fine over here on my PC

JellyDoodle

@Buttah: Hahaha.

everybest

@robbo_the_hood: Man, I'd take Resistance over the Half Life series any day. TF2... not so much.

Đipic

well that's good news i guess seeing how valve was pissing on the ps3. i dont have one, but good for sony. i have a sweet xbox 360 that i will buy left4dead on when i acutally get the money,

dipsetboy17

DLC for TF2 please Oh and Left 4 dead would be awesome as well.

Ruisu

OMG! Resistance is a steaming pile of shit compared to HL2!
Now, if you talking Resistance2 v Left4Dead, the critics and people are still out on that one!
But, Resistance2 better be a quantum leap improvement over the bland, mundane experience that was the 1st one.

FUCHIPATAS

@fearing + JellyDoodle: Ask Square

everybest

@robbo_the_hood: I can understand Konami, but in what way does SE show "such strong Sony support"? By giving the 360 two exclusives and a game that was originally a Sony exclusive?

Đipic

PC is best way to go Xbox 360 gets delayed updates and PS 3 gets the shaft :p.

Unstop

@FrozenHalo: @FrozenHalo: The "hate" was due to PS3 specs, not sales. It's just that they're now willing to overlook the technical dislikes due to the sales.

everybest

@Đipic: and that's stupid...why should we have to wait for you.

JellyDoodle

@robbo_the_hood: yeh but my firm belief here is that the only reason Valve chose not to code for PS3 is because they are being ignorant... it is so easy for them for Xbox 360 I am sure, since it's all Microsoft, and DirectX, porting from PC to Xbox360 is probably fairly basic...

no matter how complex Sony made their console, they will never have been able to make it as easy as a port from Microsoft Windows to Microsoft Xbox

cyruss

@Đipic: Great, make the other users wait because it takes forever to port something to the PS3. No thanks, that's dumb, why sit on something thats finished when it could be out there making you money?

fearing

@robbo_the_hood:

I don't really care for shooters at all, and if I did, I'd buy one for PS3 that actually *worked*.

GrandfatherParadox

@Demonbird: Portal uses the same engine as HL2.. HL2 was ported to the XBox with the same quality as the PC version and the Wii more powerful than the XBox (not too big a difference, but it has a better shader support and can handle 1 or 2 more enemies in the screen).

Well, my old PC could run Portal easily and had problems to run RE4.. worst case Valve would have to turn off one or two effects or lower the quality of some textures.. but, while it would take some work, the thing is totally doable.

CockroachMan

@GreyFoxV1: Hey, was that sarcasm too? Dammit...

Đipic

@GrandfatherParadox: If you're gonna take Resistance over a Valve shooter then you're just being vindictive and petty.

robbo_the_hood

@GrandfatherParadox: ....

There you are, Valve. They don't want you games. Speaking as someone who wants and does care about Valve's 'asstastic games,' sweet J33bus, bring them over to the Wii.

Sensai

@cyruss: Sony deserved less support than they got for their trainwreck first year. If you wanna coast on your brand, develop complex hardware to win a who-has-more-cores pissing contest, give completely inadequate support to developers to figure out your maze, then you're lucky you've got a bunch of sucker devs kissing your boots because you're PS! If confidence in Sony fell through before they could sucker enough games into development to bring them out of the slump then they would have been sunk, and only had themselves to blame. Valve didn't like them because they were arrogant and antagonistic early on with devs, why does that not make sense? Why do SE and Konami still show such strong Sony support when they've done so little for them in return this gen?

robbo_the_hood

@trogam: the power of the chocolate cell prevents that from happening :p

bigman88zz

IF this means that down the pipeline PS3 owners will also get (free) updates to valves games *coughcoughorangeboxcough* as well then I'm happy

VenomIreland

Actually the main point that annoys me about this is just how militant Gabe was when he was waxing poetic about his hatred for the PS3. Didn't he tell Sony to go back to the drawing board, do a product recall and start again because their product was defective?

At the time I commented that there's no way the PS3 will fail, and here we are, with EA switching to PS3 as its lead platform as it makes more money from them. And suddenly Gabe loves it!

I love Valve. I own everything they've made, but Gabe needs to shut his mouth sometimes.

projectmayhem

@Buttah: What exactly are you implying, mister? Gabe isn't fat -- he's just big-boned! (But seriously, I have a sudden craving for chocolate...)

YHWHMystic

@GreyFoxV1: Then they should wait until all versions are finished before they release.

Đipic

@trogam: Chocolate or not it's not an xbox.

kakihara

@CockroachMan:
I don't think portal is likely as they may have to dumb it down. Not too sure.
Half Life 2 is possible, but they have released it on the xbox, 360, ps3, and the PC multiple times now. I'm not sure they would want to modify it for the wii and go through all that work.

Demonbird

@Buttah: Comment of the year.

projectmayhem

@Đipic: Nobody makes sarcastic comments on the internet!

GreyFoxV1

@dowingba: I would assume so... Just like its real counterpart, it is susceptible to fingerprints

Rika Aiuchi is SeXXXy

No thanks Gabe.
Take your asstastic games that don't work properly and give them to someone who cares. Don't want your games on PS3 and don't need them. Got plenty else to play.

GrandfatherParadox

@Đipic: Well you won't get a simultaneous release since porting from Xbox/Windows is much more difficult to PS3 but keep hoping man.

GreyFoxV1

Someone must have shown Gabe Newell that picture and he had a sudden change of heart.

Buttah

Shouldn't that PS3 be melting in their hands?

trogam

I agree that Wii games should be designed specifically for the platform.. but at the same time I don't see why they can't just port HL2 or Portal to the thing!?

CockroachMan

I like Valve. They have enough balance to make proper decisions when Gabe is being childish.
Don't get me wrong, I love Gabe and what he does, but Hating a platform you can use to make money is stupid.

Demonbird

Real world, money talks!
Fanboy world, omfg Valve figured out the powah of tha cell, 360 maxed out, WII will get CS:Mario RUMOR!!!
GABE LOST WEIGHT?!?! Steam on PS3 = LIVE Finished!?!

Yeah..

KEELr

@FrozenHalo: Are you being sarcastic?

Đipic

Looks like chocolate, that little girl is holding what appears to be chocolate, and that boy has chocolate looking stuff on his face.

I'm going to go ahead and assume that PS3 is made of Gummy.

Pezdispenser

about time they've changed their ways ... to be fair, PS3 was always going to sell, even if it started off slow - It has Sony written on it, and the price was eventually going to drop... and .. it's a playstation, playstations have always sold

so Valve really shouldn't have been against the PS3 and should have helped it and been among the first to develop on it IMO

now they're just... behind. all this time could have been spent learning to make PS3 games

cyruss

@dowingba: yes unless that kids on the left just has sh*t on his face

cubeenigma

Yes Valve. Come over to the dark side.

Thorax

I will not buy a single game from Valve for my PS3 unless it's a proper port (they didn't just hand it off to EA again), it's released simultaneously with the PC and 360 version, and I know that they will support the game equally as much as the other versions.

Btw is that a PS3 made of chocolate? O_O

Đipic

"Funny how that happens."

I think its funny when businesses don't like consoles when they don't sell well either. Doesn't make ANY sense.

FrozenHalo

So what the hell's going on in that picture? Is that a PS3 made of chocolate?

dowingba

@cyruss: Thier behind for one good reason. It's like looking at a trig problem while your still in algerbra and shake your head at it like a little kid because it's far more complicated then the other system that was out.

Honestly I'm SO tired of hearing "The Cell is complicated" , devs are getting lazy I'm sorry. Some people made games for it and it wasn't even out yet. What does that make those people?

About the PS3 dying out , I heard the same mess when the PS2 came out.

휘성

@cubeenigma:

Which, in itself, is not a unlikely situation.

Parapraxis

Better late than never, eh?

KillerOnTheRoad

@KEELr:
Actually sir, in the real world money DOES NOT talk. Unless of course you're batshit insane in the head.

ca$h

Hahahahahahahaha. No seriously. They really shot themselves in the foot not supporting all the consoles. I hope they learned a lesson. I really lost mad respect for them with the TF2 thing.

휘성

@fearing: Except it isn't rediculously over complicated. Just more complicated. Plus if Gabe hates the PS3 because it's not as easy as with the 360, he would more than likely hate the Wii too.

MehGinla

It's just a pity for Valve that so many PS3 users despise them after the whole hatred for the PS3 and the Gabe incident which means that games are so much less likely to sell.

Ain't karma a bitch?

Severyo

@projectmayhem: He still hates it, the quote is from Doug Lombardi

soviet_

SCORE!!! I sure hope this works out, sounds like we've got a pretty good chance now. And god i hope that EA stays away from it.

Ijkabob

@invictus13:

I'll nominate it for you, but only because it made me laugh...

Also, I'm still angry that the "Gabe Newell can finally fulfill his dream of devouring a small third world island nation" comment didn't get nominated after 3 other people said they would (lazy jerks)...

Pezdispenser

@dowingba: @dowingba: @cyruss:

[www.ps3fanboy.com]

djricekcn

gabe newell has made some great games. he's good at what he does. he's also a prick. valve will start ps3 development eventually if for no other reason than leaving porting up to the publisher is dragging its name through the mud. valve just hasn't taken the initiative on picking up ps3 developers so newell is going to act like he's too fucking cool. whatever dude.

mister_shh

@projectmayhem: He may not love it, but in the interest of Valve (read: big money), it would be stupid not to port some games over now and then.

Americo

@dowingba:

PS3 launch in france, i think. i remember hearing about chocolate ps3s there.

mentalboy11

@projectmayhem:

+ Watch video

superbabyproject

well the problem with valve is that i dont like any of there games lol so its no big deal to me. but alot of people like them as a dev and i cant argue with there success. i might rent L4D if it ever comes out, but i still have yet to see a title from valve that i like.

EVIL_V2

@GrandfatherParadox: Ahahahaha. Hahaha. Oh wow, don't work properly? Oh that's right, Orange Box on the PS3 wasn't even done by Valve.

Turning your nose up at Valve games? There must be some incredible PS3 games I'm just not aware of...

soviet_

@Buttah: He certainly would like it better than the regular one: [pichostonline.com]

superbabyproject

@fearing: Well said

soviet_

@GrandfatherParadox: Speak for yourself dude! I will get Left4Dead on the PC most likely, but I know there are many people that will buy this game on the PS3 if released. Once this happens, I believe the PS3 will get more from Valve due to either they're or EA's (seconed time's a charm?) new found familiarity with the PS3's architecture.

homernoy

@VenomIreland: I'd love me some sandvich.

sex-target

Perhaps this means we'll get the updates for TF2 as well? Everytime I get on there are no problems finding a game. I love playing it- wish I had the most recent version!

sex-target

The picture if from a PS3 launch party in Italy. Here's a link to the original post. [kotaku.com]

asoaso

@projectmayhem: The swith to ps3 development has nothing to do with "more buyers." Im sure the fanboys would love to believe that, but its as simple as economics. The 360 is way more flexible than the ps3, so its much easier to make the ps3 the lead, and port to the 360. I would argue this proves how smart microsoft was in making it that flexible. They probably figured if ps3 dominated as the ps2 did, it would allow them to still get the same games on the 360 without much effort. The fact that the games play almost exactly the same is a huge bonus considering they rushed their system out a year ealier, and had a 2 year shorter development time for the 360. People seem to forget, or just don't know, that the ps3 was in development a full year before microsoft even began work on the 360.

Sweetsauce

@휘성: Sony shouldn't get a free pass for making a more complex system. MS tried to make it easier to program for the 360, Nintendo made the Wii easier to program for. Sony chose the path to ruin, let them walk down it.

And secondly, the Cell IS difficult to program for. It's not like jumping from algebra to trig, it's more like going to discrete math from multiplication.

zPhreak

@bigman88zz: You got me laughing with that one. XD

Jest

@Đipic: I'm Jester and I approve of this message.

Jest

I love Valve, but I'll wait until they can design a level with no loading times before I take their comments on the power of the PS3 seriously.

Incredible game designers but they were never on the bleeding edge of anything other than the online distribution of PC games.

BallPtPenTheif

@everybest:

I figured they didn't take all of them, but I still think that one was a shoe in. Maybe they're just being polite? God knows if I were Newell and Kotaku Multitapped a fat joke about me I'd never let them beta preview another thing again.

Pezdispenser

@JellyDoodle:
Because we (ps3 owners) are waiting for you if FF13 is announce to release at the same time as the 360 version.

akumaserge

@mornelithe: Are you serious? You're disparaging Valve's product line as "crap"?

Hrm.

adocious

@dowingba: 2 kids 1 PS3? ewww!

Rampage

Why would you play Valve games on a console in the first place?

Milk_Toast

left 4 dead on the wii would be just fighting 5 zombies at once instead of like 30

Ieatbears

Only way a Valve game is getting into my house, is if it's downloaded to my PC. I'll never tarnish my PS3 with their crap.

Morne

mornelithe

@cyruss:

You are incorrect, sony does not have "So much money" most of their businesses are now losing money, the PS2 kept them afloat in the past few years. If they don't start making money on the PS3 soon they will be in trouble, just as they would of been in EXTREME trouble is the HD-DVD would of defeated their Blu-Ray format. Thus why they went and paid off certain movie studios to be exclusive to their format...

Fyro

@cyruss:
It doesn't really matter if something "sells" on name value. Sega Dreamcast "sold": it sold 250,000 units launch day (a record at that time). And it died a horrible death.
But dev support was never Sony's strong point. I mean, they have good 2nd-party guys, but the amazing 3rd-party support they had for the PS2 dried up almost instantly when PS3 launched. The console needs more time, I guess. :/

Benjammn

I think it's more appropriate to say that Valve has ignored the Playstation 3 because Gabe doesn't know the OpenGL API or how to program in Linux. Keep in mind that the Playstation 3's OS is based on the Linux kernel, and the graphics system is based on OpenGL ES: [khronos.org]

Valve has, collectively, ignored the Linux platform and OpenGL for several years. A quick glance through my Valve games on Steam, the last time Valve worked with OpenGL was back on the "GoldSrc" engine. Since then, the "Source" engine used in Half-Life 2 and subsequent products has been strictly built against the DirectX API's from Microsoft.

Realizing that Valve software abandoned an open-standards system base for a proprietary base easily explains their platform choices. Why can't Valve simply port their own games to Playstation 3? Because they didn't employ anybody familiar with the OS or the graphics.

Now, that is changing. Valve has been aggressively hiring Linux developers, and it's been hinted at by Phoronix, and I tend to agree, that Valve could be launching a Linux version of Steam before the year is out. (Debian users tend to find that most interesting as Steam is often regarded as "apt for windows")

Anyways, with Valve bringing developers onboard with experience in Linux and OpenGL, that opens their native platform development options back up. While the Wii isn't a Linux platform, or at least not publicly one, although Nintendo does appear to use QT for the the development interface, game developers can build against the Wii using OpenGL, and I believe OpenAL for the sound.

Ergo, it's not much of a surprise that after Valve's hiring of Linux engineers and coders, that Playstation 3 games and Wii games would suddenly be topics Valve can talk about.

Saist

@Pezdispenser: I don't think they take all nominations. I nominated that comment you were referring to and didn't see it up there on the comments of the week.

everybest

@dowingba:
Looks delicious.

captainapplesauce

I really hope Left 4 Dead comes to PS3. I like the 360 ok, but if I buy it for 360 and renew my live subscription, I'll have to pay for it yearly if I want to keep playing Left 4 Dead. I'd rather put up with an occasionally sub-par online infrastructure for free than deal with a great one that's 50 bucks a year. No kidding, I seriously would.

tehflyingwombat

@excel_excel: Actually what am I saying, Resistance 2 does look lurvly

excel_excel

@mornelithe: Pirating Valve's 'crap'? why on earth would you download games you think are 'crap'?

excel_excel

@Đipic: You'd take resistance over half life any day? wha?

excel_excel

CHOCOLATE!! Also there are people who'd take Resistance over Half-life? And I'm not talking about the gimped ports.....seriously?

excel_excel

@CockroachMan:
same quality? what a joke! Cause that´s not true. It looked worse than the pc version.

basseman

@CockroachMan: The version of the HL2 engine that was used on the original XBox is different from the version used for Portal / HL2:EP2 / TF2. The newer version was heavily modified to get the graphics and physics of portals to actually work.

The new version of the engine also uses shaders and geometry that puts a strain on the XBox 360, although these could likely be modified to work on the Wii, it's not as simple as it sounds.

So no, you won't be seeing Portal on the Wii, as much as I'd like it. (And I will eat my shoe if they port portal to the Wii. With ketchup)

t3rminus

@invictus13: send a email to tips or comments@kotaku.com
for the nom, give a link to the quote, the guys page and your page

Pound my tom-tom

@Đipic:You're right Dipic, just buy it for PC.

hahnchen

@Saist: Real devs don't use OpenGL on PS3, it's far too limited and slow compared with the native stuff.

Nintendo likely does not use OpenGL either, and I would imagine that QT is hardly part of Wii dev.

zPhreak

@dowingba:

It looks delicious. And I bet it costs less than the real thing.

em

left4dead on ps3 yes? kthxbye.

stevesan

@fearing: I wonder how much of its "a pain to develop for" and how much is "a pain for *him* to develop for". Gabe's an ex-MS programmer, so its really not all that surprising that he'd be against a programming environment that's not similar to Visual Studio, and targeting Windows. VS is a good dev environment...but in his comments it seems a lot more like his beef is with "different" more than an "inferior" environment.

verrius

Now that's an idea!
Sony should have sent Gabe Newell a Chocolate PS3!
That guy would go on TV naked and make a public announcement about how much he loves the PS3 if that was the case.

Patient

Hey I'd take the PS3 seriously too after seeing the games that are coming out for it. Actually, After seeing some of the Wii lineup, I'M taking it a bit more seriously.

I'm all for it. Even though left for dead is about the only thing I'm interested in and that's after I get my fill of R2, KZ2 and UTIII. If the Conduit rocks like many suspect then Left 4 Dead gets put further down the list. Hell, I'll get CoD5 for Wii if the controls are better than the PS3 and 360 versions (as was the case with CoD3) therefore putting L4D even further down the list.

Still good news though

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

Since most people who own a ps3 also already own a 360, i can't see the point of doing multiplatform games.

XBL is going to sway all the hardcore gamers to buying a 360 version of every title.

Defoliantonthemoneytree

Love the threads where everyone ends up talking like developers, videogame companies should start looking for people to make their games right here on Kotaku comments! Just not for PS3 programming please, everyone knows it´s a pain to develop for, you know, everyone (except me) in kotaku comments owns a debug unit...

Daisuash

@mister_shh: Love the first line ahaha

JAGJEET

they need to make up their minds already before they totally betray their fans.....byt he time they start making games for ps3 the fans wont care anymore...

jackd4y

@Rika Aiuchi is SeXXXy: haha, very true! i, however, have no reason to touch the unit unless to power on/off or eject a disc. i guess ppl just love to get their stubby, greased fingers on shiny new tech

aww... valve warming to the wii, ps3 -how kayoot

kw4k

@Milk_Toast: because i really really don't like computers.

spite_nihilo

Completely Off Topic: Something that has always bugged me about this site is the tense writers use.

"Valve are suddenly warming to the PS3" Who actually thinks that sounds like proper english?

The people ARE going to riot the streets.
Correct grammar.

Valve ARE a video game company.
Incorrect grammar.

Gabe Newell ARE thinking about the PS3.
Incorrect grammar.

A corporation is considered a proper non-plural noun, Yes??

"Tom is releaseing the DSi"

NOT: "Nintendo are releasing the DSi."

"Valve is suddenly warming to the PS3". doesn't that sound better?

Nintendo are has buyed lots of cheezeburgers with money it has maked on the Wii Console Box System Waggle Game Station.

Albi4ever

@휘성: Well if they told us it was a dream and their dog could do it they might be lying. The Cell has some insane theoretical power behind it but in reality most developers don't have the time or resources to use it. The fact is things are done faster and easier on the 360/PC so developers like them. Valves is an extreme case, since their independence and Steams profits lets them just ignore a platform and focus on their two favorites.

Skeith

As nice as Left 4 Dead will be on the PS3, I have only bought the majority of Valve's games on the PC. I simply feel they are more fine-tuned to the mouse keyboard set up.

GKFinns

@dowingba: I would rather have a Choco-PS3.

TheMurderer

valve can fuck themselves if they can't come up with something original for the wii. porting old pc games isn't going to do much, especially since most of the people own a computer can already play those old pc games from valve.

if valve did make a game for the wii, it would never be successful as they're short sited on their thinking. if you see what he said, that is thinking inside the box, not outside the box.

newave

@Buttah: Better watch out. I made a comment about Gabe's weight and got in trouble for it.

goddessakasha

Honestly it shouldn't have taken this long to get on board. Will the ps3 sell the way the ps2 did, probably not, but only a fool would think that it wasn't worth investing in. Systems take a year or 2 to be worth it, plan and simple.

Neo-Senku: The World's Finest Pervert

I hope they make Prospero on Wii.

ViRiS

yeah, shame on Valve for taking care of where and what they spend their money on, and being aware of the different markets available to them! The negative tone of this article makes no sense.

RosaliaRhadamanthys

@Thorax: We have cake. Dark chocolate cake.

Telecinision

@Đipic: Yeah, these days it is getting rather stale, but when HL2 was brand new, the gravity gun was the best feature in an FPS since M-M-M-MULTIKILL. I hope they send the series off in a good way with HL2 Episode 3, but close the lid on Source afterward and work on something new and better.

Telecinision

Hmm... sounds pretty consistent with their previous statements. They always had a soft spot for the Wii.

lumpi

@Rampage: do you realize that you're going to hell..?

That was tasteless... and unnecesary.

And, somehow, funny =P

nonhuman

@Rampage: I see what you did there...

mablung

ah nuts!!! that's the only real reason why i bought a 360 in the first place... oh well- i'd rather play it in november than waaaaaaaaaaaaaay later on down the line :)

laser beams

@Sweetsauce: The RROD's is a constant reminder of that fact. Cut out a year of Q&A and push it out. Thankfully MS "fixed" it by throwing money at the problem but the rush is very evident in the product. They were very clever in leveraging their Direct X API into the 360 though. That alone bought them a lot of 3rd party support.

kingmanic

@Đipic: Yes and no. What's key to HL is the flow. It's pacing is always spot on, environments are beautiful and engaging, puzzles are littered liberally throughout the game to break up the monotony and the list goes on.

Some of it's parts aren't necessarily original or special but the sum of them is a masterpiece.

GreyFoxV1

Of course they're taking it seriously now. It's a sweet piece of gaming hardware.

3:P

lamusiqa

Please, Valve... Please make ANYTHING Team Fortress related for the Wii...

bfwings55

it would be nice to have valve making games for ps3, it really would.. but i also wont lose any sleep if they dont.

joeloliol

I really hope Left 4 Dead comes to the PS3. The less I turn on my 360 the better.

Rinaldus

@MehGinla:

Yeah I don't think so since the Wii is already easy to develop for and much cheaper to develop for than the PS3 and 360.

NeoAkira

@eclipsemattaru:
Well, sometimes you have to learn the hard way.

I'm gonna go take my pill now.

ca$h

@ca$h:
And this comes from a man with "cash" written all over his nick, so he knows what he's saying :{

eclipsemattaru

wow i want a chocolate ps3. i bet ea will make a port of left 4 dead on ps3it might take a while but it will come just like the orange box. though this doesnt affect me i habe a ps3and 360 so ha ha ha.

Assassin_Kensei

@dowingba: After seeing that picture, I tried to get the chocolate outta my PS3 too..all I got was a mess of tooth marks and PAIN!

In other news, anyone looking to buy a slightly scarred PS3?

NeVeRMoRe666

@dowingba:

no they used the new dark chocolate axe body spray on it... havent u seen the commerical???

lmao

Neji71118

Gabe Newell has fat clogging his brain. Technology has left Gabe & Valve in the dust.

Does anyone really care what Gabe Newell says or thinks?

Um... Nope!

superdynamite

@akumaserge: Dude, its not a zero-sum game. Stop whining and fighting about whose waiting for who. Unneccessarily delays are not good for anybody. Don't complain, if you really want it that bad, get the system its coming out for first (I'm sure you have a perfectly capable PC no?).

Seriously, this fanboy-trite is getting old. If you hate delays- get a 360 (you could have been playing Bioshock already- not to mention Lost Planet earlier). If you can wait on a potentially lackluster port, stick to your PS3 and hope for the best. I, luckily have the best of both (all three?) worlds. I don't care about what its coming out on or which system is best, ALL I want is the chance to slaughter some Zombies in a timely manner. Is that too much to ask?!?

NeVeRMoRe666

@Combichristoffersen:

lol

Kenninator

Eh. Good for the PS3 owners who like Valve, I guess. Personally I could do without any Valve games, as I found the HL games to be boring and, well, pretty shitty.

Combichristoffersen

@superdynamite: What the hell are you on about?

LeJimmeh

Too late. They've already lost a customer. I paid just as much (maybe more than? PS3 Orange box is $40, PC seems to be slightly less.) as the PC gamers for my copy of Orange box, and got none of the bonus content or indeed, quality. Then Valve told PS3 owners that no, we won't be making the updates available. Tough shit. I'm not sure how much clearer they can make it that my business isn't wanted. So I'll take my ball and go home.

Narsil

Ooh, delicious PS3 B)

Crimsondramon

@cyruss: "it is so easy for them for Xbox 360 I am sure, since it's all Microsoft, and DirectX, porting from PC to Xbox360 is probably fairly basic"

Agreed. Devs like Valve and Id are developers coming from the PC platform and the Xbox is most like the PC in that they both use the DirectX api. Sony couldn't steal or license the DirectX technology without being sued or gouged by MS, so they had to build their own proprietary console OS and api's, thus making it harder for Devs unfamiliar with the new non-PC architecture.

Now if Sony and MS can exchange technologies between DirectX and Blu-ray for the next console generation, they would appease most of the whiny Devs. Yeah, I called them whiny. There are dozens of studios that are capable of developing for both consoles without an ounce of complaint...Criterion, Infinity Ward, Ubisoft Montreal, to name a few.

Pizookie

@excel_excel: I for one would take anything besides half life any day.

Fast forward to several responses later: my opinion is correct.

ohhello

@Telecinision: The cake is a lie... but the chocolate part, well do you really want it with all them people touching it?

Neko_Tech

Wow, and the Wii only needed to get a ratio of, what, 3:1 on the PS3 just get this coveted prize of "being considered" while the "hated" PS3 still managed an Orange Box.

questworld

Amen, cyruss. Instead of bitching about the PS3, they should have just devoted some time and effort to it, and then they would be in a better position to build games for it. Now they are starting well after the rest of the pack and, with shitty ports of their titles, have lost support from many PS3 owners. On principal I will never buy a Valve title again.

LucasMessalla

@superdynamite: I do!! He's bringing me zombie-goodness and for that, he's a god!!

NeVeRMoRe666

why all the Gabe Nevell hate? guy can like or dislike one console or another and have guts to speak his mind. It's boring when you hear all theres companies saying 'oh all consoles are awesome' - i like some drama in my console news;) I also like EPIC for ditching Wii, simply because it lacks power.

k!dman

No, they (and Gabe) clearly still hate it. I believe a good word to describe the current situation is "begrudging". They hate it, but if it's going to shift units, they're going to get their games out on it love or hate.

guspaz

From a developper point of view, you have no idea how bad a ps3 is for programming. Sh*tiest console and support ever. Funny thing is, Japanese developpers do extremely well on it, while Europeans and Americans are horrible. or 2/3 of game studios are retarded, or Japanese people get more support :P

Phibius

Someone above expects Valva to release a PS3 version of "Left for Dead" simultaneously with the 360 version?!

Can you say "Beyond wishful thinking!".

Sugaray

@dowingba: My fav picture is this one of the people kicking the ps3 down like the foundation of an old man's house you found in the middle of the woods.
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Jagzi11a

@dowingba: MMMMMM. chocolate Gaming System. . . Those eastern European people are really enjoying it.

Jagzi11a

I say port them whatever games they want, as long as we get MGS4 on 360 somehow. Please guys? I can't afford a £300 games machine to play one MGS game, but I so want to play it!

EdwinJ85

@excel_excel: I love Half-Life. One of my favorite games ever. Can't wait til' the next story.

I am however dying to get my mitts on Resistance II as I have beaten Resistance I.

휘성

@NeoAkira: Do you have any source to back up that the Wii has Microsoft SDKs or that it's fully complient with VS environment?

MehGinla

@dowingba: I would pay $500 for that PS3 if it had BC. :P

mfwahwah

@mister_shh: Yes. Gabe IS a prick.
Most of the good game designers are pricks. Activision. Those BASTARDS. EA. Those BASTARDS. et cetera et cetera ad infinatum.

Valve, that is, the Valve that'll be left when Gabe is confined to a mental institution, are not pricks. They understand DRM. They understand the gaming market. I assume that it's THAT part of Valve that eventually got Gabe to consider the fact that the PS3 may be hard to develop for, but it is the superior console. And that the PS3 may be expensive, but people buy games for it. Look at what MGS4 did for Konami....

Oh, and another example of non-pricky developers is Bethesda...

Eranmane

The problem with the PS3 is programming to make use of its weird 8cores... i think....(Im no programmer xD)

Which, I would imagine can be time consuming to get right.

Infamous.mpgEU

the doo doo brown PS3 ???

reasoncali

@Phibius: Japanese devs do extremely well on PS3? You mean Konami, Capcom and, uh, who else exactly?

More Japanese developers I know actually make their games 360 exclusive, which is pretty fucking amazing.

Seriously. Tales of Vesperia and Star Ocean 4, no plans of appearing on PS3. Are you fucking kidding me. Are you... fucking kidding me. That blows my mind and is, to me, a testament that even in Japan the PS3 is a major headache for everyone but the big bad studios and Sony's in-house who make nothing but PS3 exclusives, anyway.

Xiedo

If all PS3 fellows would stop crying and keep on playing TF2, I would be a happy man. Okay Left 4 Dead will be a great game and yeah I want to play it too. But TF2 is great aswell and sometimes...sometimes I feel lonely on those servers guys.

HUmonster

@Rinaldus: Worried it will overheat, eh?

TheMurderer

@TheMurderer: Seriously though, mine's a refurb, and I'm scared to death that it'll just randomly die on me.

Rinaldus

Um no thanks Valve. There is nothing you have to offer the PS3 that's worth it. Stick to you're massive PC-pirating fanbase and 360 as well.

tgf5

A chocolate PS3! Can I have one?

JasonFrost