@HenryHSH: Yeah, the guy who made the original DOTA had the Bnet tag of Eul. Rumor goes he wasn't even 18 when he made it.

But eventually someone cracked the protection on it, and it was taken over by others.

Looking at Riot Games's website for team members ([www.riotgames.com]), it looks like they have Steve "Guinsoo" Feak, who is listed as one of the creators of DOTA-allstars. So post-Eul, post-cracking. So he may have made DOTA what it is today, but he didn't create DOTA originally.

Spiral

It would be nice to finally play a new map!

in any case, good for them.

Lockgar

Well, since DotA was kinda based on Aeon of Strife(the Starcraft one...), and DotA Allstars is the one more people play and know (even though people just refer to it as DotA) made and constantly updated by IceFox, I can only have worries about this game. It looks good, but I don't know if its gonna be all that great.

=/ I'll check it out if I get into the Beta. Not so sold yet.

Rika Aiuchi is SeXXXy

@Maestar: I think this is a different game... Not a mod or Map.

Rika Aiuchi is SeXXXy

@Xagest: This is probably the guys behind the original DOTA map: Guinsoo and the others.

Zeag

@Tyheam: IMHO, it's one of the most successful game mods/maps of all time. The world of social organization that has grown up around DoTA is proof enough...look at TDA, Banlist, crazy Swedish DoTA music videos, international tournaments.

The platform is over 5 years old and yet the community is as lively as ever and meaningful map updates continue to come in on a regular basis. I had never thought of a stand-alone DoTA, but it now seems overdue (although I hope it doesn't kill the original).

selectman

@shenanigans123: thats very true... but im sure and hope that they understand this and work something out....

and idk how i can be sure and hope at the same time.... BUT I DO lol

wocyob

Chris Taylor's Gas Powered Games already beat them to it with Demi-God and considering their pedigree they'll do it better.

Best of luck to Riot though.

GreyFoxV1

@Xagest: IceFrog isn't the original developer of DotA. He just took over.

HenryHSH

@benihime: I used to let people finish downloading in my game, as long as they're on the other team. :P

HenryHSH

@Xagest: Well all the trailer says is "the minds behind dota" and after looking around a lot it looks like Riot has no connection at all so I'm assuming they have at least one or two people who worked on Dota. For all we know, it could be people who didn't even do much, but hopefully it actually is people who know Dota.

Joebob-X

If this game is anywhere as fun or addictive as DotA, I'll be really looking forward to it. The real question is whether or not the multiplayer aspect will have the ease of finding players similar to how Bnet operates. The one thing that can kill a (presumably) great game like this faster than AoC is a horrible matchmaking system.

shenanigans123

Now I'm confused. I play Dota regularly, and I haven't heard of anything called Riot Games. Last I checked, all the coding is done by one guy, IceFrog, with a few beta testers from the forum.

Xagest

I want to play this game if only to see Sam Fisher vanquish the abominable snowman with a sword.

FreakyFavabean

Wow, I'm actually really impressed with those screenshots. I freakin love dota and it looks like they've maintained the WC3 atmosphere with this, hope it's good.

Joebob-X

serious? i remember my first time playing dota... v 3.4
damn guys gl. hf.
NO DLERS!!!!

benihime

Hah, League of Legends = LOL
ah acronyms.

Gantz: Your Trusted Friend in Science.

Hmmmm, now it's a question of this or GPG's Demigod.

Laho

@Maudite:

Someone beat me to it.

Xyless

@the-hypnotoad:

That's the one. Cheers.

flyingsupernerds

@flyingsupernerds: Are you thinking of Sacrifice?

the-hypnotoad

@flyingsupernerds:

Strange. Can't find it. Must have been dreaming.

flyingsupernerds

Hmm interesting...
Eventhough I'm not a great fan of DotA (imo it's kind of an overrated AoS, but well...) I will definitely try it out. There's me hoping for some innovation and some unique spells (other than some dozens Blink forms :)).

Tyheam

Description of the game sounds a little like that Perry game. Sacred, perhaps?

flyingsupernerds

"hey man, you playin' LoL"?

slim pick'ns in the land of not-yet-copyrighted-game-titles...

Maudite

damn my friend is going to wet himself once he hears this lol

wocyob

Looks damn interesting, good stuff :D

Genocyde

wooooooow *installs WC3 again*

Maestar

As a LONG time player of Dota, I can only wish them the best of luck. Although I must say, Riot Games...? Since when were they called that?

Zenian

Now Vivendi can buy them out and legally own the rights to DotA.

Kayonesoft

Whoa, nice! Best of luck to them! It's always cool to see an indie team grow into something more.

The Heimlich Counter-Maneuver

I always thought that Dota was changed so many times by so many different people that no one knows who created this game. Which doesn't matter people its based of AoS. Does this mean were going to playing Kodo Tag on Xbox live and Hero Siege on DS. I mean, theres already 30+ different Flash Tower Defense games. At this point, it seems StarCraft 2 should come with a way to get patents in their Map Editor.

geela234

@underbaker: there*

underbaker

for those wondering who are riot games and how they are related to Dota

One of the old makers of DoTa Guinsoo made Riot Games. they you go.

underbaker

@smokin_crack:

does Guinsoo and Pendragon ring any bells?

underbaker

@Xagest:

Whee, nevermind. This is done by Guinsoo, who did the older version of Dota (I'm quite worried now, since Dota back then was a bit of a mess...)

Xagest

@Zenian:
Same, everything I've heard from them has either been Icefrog or TDA

Something4u

@Tyheam: I agree, it was a very well-done AOS, but I never was a huge fan of it. There were alot of other fun custom AOSs for WC3 that I enjoyed more.

Admittedly, the main excitement I have for Starcraft 2 is for what great custom AOS maps they will create.

Spiral

How exactly is Riot Games, the "crew" who made DOTA? That is complete marketing bs, as i am sure my buddy Ice Frog, or anyone else involved with Dota, will tell you.

The teaser video doesn't even show gameplay, which is a very bad sign. Either the art doesn't look good, or the game ins't functional.

btw - When is this coming out? 2010? 2030?

smokin_crack

@benihime: This was precisely the reason I could never get into DoTA, all of the players were super hardcore (assholes) and unwilling to teach a newb; I eventually gave up on even trying.

Spampy

Am i the only one who thought "Magic The Gathering" when reading the short summary of the game?

Rexter

Always hated DotA.

Other than that, all I have to say is that it is not a mod. Just a map.

DimensionWarped

I never really liked DOTA (It's so hard), but this is really cool that modders are getting their own game like them. Best of luck to them.

Gingerbread0Man

@selectman: umm no.. that would have to be counter-strike which holds the title, then it comes dota, followed closely by desert combat.

chewychomp

@Spiral: So who would you say is ultimately responsible for the polished, mostly balanced game DoTA is now? I, too, remember the old DoTA maps. But I never thought that they distinguished themselves from all the other semi-ubiquitous user created maps. At a certain point it became very mature though.

selectman

I wonder if this will eat into the market for that Demigods game?

onidavin

@selectman: It's funny, I feel the opposite. Once DOTA went all-star, it felt like DOTA got very immature, which is why I stopped playing it. It had been polished before, but the All-star seemed to tinker around with the balance in ways I did not like. It felt like they were all, "let's make this super awesome awesome hardcore lol glhf". That's why I started liking some of the other AOS style maps. So I'm probably the wrong person to ask about the evolution in that phase. It sounds like Xagest might know that piece of history better.

Spiral

@ArtemusWolfwood: Only if you value female companionship.

kingmanic

@smokin_crack: It's the guys after Eul but before iceFrog. The most current editions I think are the strongest. Balanced play and addictiveness and reasonable load and game times. Not sure how this new game will be but a lot of that polish was IceFrog and who ever else helps him.

kingmanic

@Rexter: And is that such a bad thing?

ArtemusWolfwood

I totally called that their "original IP" was a standalone DOTA, looks good.

And I'm almost positive the woman doing the voice-over is the same voice for Medusa the naga!

thesean

@Xyless: NO! another one beat me to the pun!

Swizzler121

@smokin_crack: From their site:
We will have Beta released in early 2009. We're working around the clock, on weekends, on holidays, even on birthdays to make League of Legends the most dynamic and enjoyable game you've played in a long, long while. Keep checking in for cool new updates and news about League of Legends.

KingTuckerman

@chewychomp: Counterstrike is mostly played by retarded teenagers though. Oh wait...

Revenge_of_Nekojin

The only reason i didnt toss WC3 after i speed hacked to see all the cinematics was I got introduced to DOTA. WC3 for me was a huge disappointment (hated the in-game cut scenes).

I can't get into WoW but a good game of dota is always fun. I still go back to it after ever game i buy loses its appeal after a few weeks (Halo, COD, GTA, SC4, etc...). I think the current map is by ICEFROG.

And yes, Demigod does remind me of DOTA on riods.

Nothing_Original

wish this was a free w3 mod :(

xzero

@Zenian: i think riot games was the entity that hired those like icefrog or tda (or whoever was behind dota). though the strikeout confuses me a bit.

but whatever... dota makers get gaming job... so congrats.

dota .54b sdem bl lc pros!!

phrequency

Hmm. I mean, yeah it's being made by some of the same people, but it doesn't have to look exactly the same as WCIII, does it?

Blah8

I could never get in to Dota because of the limitations imposed by the WC3 engine. I could see the potential though, and waited for when they decided to brake free of the WC3 engine and make something that worked with what they were doing, not against it.

ParadoxControl

Man, i hope they don't screw this up.. well to say the truth.. i kinda hope they do.. DOTA had a huge effect on me a couple years ago.

Me and my friends would actually get into fights and not talk because of situations like "YOU DIDN'T USE YOUR OMNISLASH AFTER I ENSNARED.. WTF YOU NOOB!" Sometimes we wouldn't take for a whole week because of 1 DOTA game, so I stopped playing but damn was it hard, with all the updates and new items and such.. ahh the DOTA days.. I might install it again..

Desertwolf

This is whatevs, but Dota was pretty cool (even though you better ask for a three hour lunch if you're playing that game). However, for Dota style play, albeit wwaaaaay better looking, I can't wait for Demigod:

[www.gametrailers.com]

PATSCRU

Awesome. The gameplay in DOTA is so solid that it's still a blast to play on ugly-as-fuck WC3. I'll definitely be buying this.

yargh

@Spampy: I played it at LANs where the guys who were really in to it were happy and enthused to help the newbs, so we could all have fun together. So I have happy memories of DotA.

Thorn

Wait a sec...

Since when is Frieza from DBZ doing game trailer voice overs?

WGSXFrank

Why would anyone buy this if you can play the Wc3 map for free (or like 10 bucks incase you don't own Wc3 yet)?

Hell, it's pretty much the only decent map left that is played on battlenet (even though there were more interesting AoS maps around).

And if Starcraft II and Brawl are any indication, the core fanbase is going to shun the sequel if it doesn't play exactly like the original.

Nirual

It's unfortunate the acronym for this name is "LoL".

Rubezh

They should just team up with Blizzard and make a stand alone DOTA. Imagine the possibilities!

yanipheonu

Liked the trailer a whole lot!

--Core--

As far as I remember it was Eul, Guinsoo, some other guy who had it for a really short time, and then Icefrog.

Current DotA is probably the most balanced but it is more mainstream now and not so hardcore. Icefrog actually made many melee heroes viable.

AzureD

@Rika Aiuchi is SeXXXy: I think Maestar is just excited about the new game from the makers of DOTA a WC3 map. The excitement is spilling over and now wants to play WC3 again, possibly to play DOTA again.

Zenlong

@Revenge_of_Nekojin: o no u didnt!
LOLolOl!!!!!1
but yeah, forget about lists man. who's on first, what
s on second, whatever. there are great communities among all the games chewychomp listed.

excaleranth

@selectman: it's like you've forgotten that counter-strike ever existed.

Lemonade

So stoked!!

Persterz

I've seen the competition, i.e. GPG's Demigod at PAX. Being a bias DoTA gamer since its conception on War3 RoC bnet, to say the least, it doesn't seem to stand up to DoTA in its current form. I would welcome any iteration of DoTA nonetheless. But there are alot of aspects of DoTA that makes it awesome and it would be difficult to nail, even with guinsoo in the team. Who really wants to pay for some game that plays like a free mod that is much more easily accessible? Towards the end of guinsoo's involvement with the mod, DoTA became sloppy and unbalanced. Icefrog (and his team) was the one who cleaned up most of the map, made it faster to load and continues to add new features / revamp how the map is played. I think it might even be the very epitome of successful crowd sourcing game development.

AmaryllisAegialeus

How the hell did I miss the orig mod for WCIII? dose anyone know if people still play this mod because Im going to fire up WC III and get this thing.

Befitzero

A Warcraft III clone for five year olds? Thanks but I'll pass, next!

Orz

I agree with Zenian. Only name I've ever heard of is IceFrog. I hope this doesn't mean the end of patches for DOTA.

VachelTeucer