Good Game Explains Why Junglist Was Axed

The fallout from last week's axeing of Good Game host Junglist has continued. A post from Team Good Game appeared yesterday on the show's own community forum, the first public statement from the ABC to address the reason behind Junglist's removal.

Last Friday, the ABC announced that Junglist had been replaced as Good Game co-host and Hex would be joing Bajo for the rest of the year. The pair would also present a spin-off show called Good Game: Spawn Point on ABC3 next year.

The reaction from the Good Game community ranged from anger to sadness and disbelief at Junglist's departure. Some fans have even set up a website devoted to saving Junglist "from being axed by the ABC."

Late yesterday afternoon, a statement was posted on the Good Game forum attributed to Team Good Game, saying that the "decision to take Junglist off air was not forced upon us by ABC Management and it's one that is fully supported by all the GG team."

The statement also addressed the fears of some viewers that the host changes would result in a "dumbed down" program, saying: "That’s absolutely not right. We, as ever, will continue our quest to bring you the show for gamers by gamers..."

This statement quickly drew a response from Junglist himself, refuting some of the claims made by Team Good Game. He said he knew a number of team members "clearly DON'T support this" and that the decision "was forced by ABC management, for a mass appeal direction".

Later, Bajo responded to Junglist's post, stating that "while Junglist may have his own version of events, so do we, and all we ever wanted to do was work with him but it's not to be..."

Good Game staff are bound by confidentiality agreements and thus cannot discuss the details of the situation directly. The thread is now well over 40 pages long as the Good Game community continues to debate what may or may not have actually happened.


Comments

    Wow... there seems like there is some bitchiness going on at Good Game with both Junglist's and Bajo's comments.... Good Game is fast becoming Days Of Our Lives or The Bold And Beautiful... or is that the Young And Restless?!

    Not my place really, but HIRE JUNG FOR KOTAKU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What I mean to say is bosses can be assholes, I think its in the blood. From life, I can pretty much summarize that all assholes are stupid morons, well, obviously thats not completely true, I'll revise. All assholes are stupid morons, with the one exception being House MD (yes he's real in my world). Broder appeal my brown winking cyclops, why could they not get rid of Rae (whose ass exciting as eating cardboard) and put Hex in her place, then you still have a hot chick (looks make the world go around) to keep the big wigs happy. HIRE JUNG FOR KOTAKU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hows about Game Damage get rid of the other 2 guys, and do it with Jung (serious side of gaming) and Ben (for the luls)... No wait, cause HIRE JUNG FOR KOTAKU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    did I mention HIRE JUNG FOR KOTAKU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???

    Junglist was the only part of that show that didn't make me cringe. Now I have no reason to watch the show whatsoever.

    Nice work ABC, why don't you bring in some scrawny 18 year old holding a skateboard and a backwards cap as well to make the show more 'edgy'.

    "HAY DOODZ, HOW ABOUT THEM VIDEOGAYMES!"

    Ugh.

      Seconded.

      thirded

      fourthd'd
      Jung was the best part of the show. dont get me wrong, i used to like bajo... until his post on the forums.
      oh well an extra half hour free'd up on a monday night.

        Fifthted.

        Think of it like this, Bajo is Margaret (generally gives a higher rating) Junglist is David, maybe the ABC should get rid of David and replace him with a gorgeous young thing?

        SBS - Here's a tip, start a show about gaming and hire Junglist!

      That show has nothing left to offer.

      F*cked if you think any self respecting gamer is going to watch that other little weasel rat with his GameSpot style scores of 7.0 - 10.0

      Pretty much this.

      Agreed. Jung was the better reviewer/gamer. Isn't the token asian girl enough? Stupid commercial reasoning has entered the ABC and ruined GG.

    A sad and sorry saga gets even sadder. They could have handled this about a million times better IMO

    I watched the first episode with Hex... And I was quite surprised... I haven't watched Good Game for quite a few months and to see new blood was quite good to tell you the truth.

    Management obviously wanted a female on the show to connect to a larger demographic.

    Whatever the reason, it's sad to see Junglist go in alot of ways, but for the show... I doubt it is all bad...

    Will be funny if next season there's a jock type guy or a cheerleader girl playing a NDS.

    New girl is cute and funny. Keep her as a replacement for Rai (boring, I IQ the show and usually fast forward through her sections).

    Definitely bring back Jung, even if he does have a stupid nickname... actually, they all have stupid nicknames, and I don't even know why they need nicknames. Everytime Jung used to say Baj, I always hear Vag ;)

    I gotta say I am really disapointed to see it go down like this. I am confused even if he was replaced for mass appeal . Why he would want to in essence take the show down with him?

    I am a Junglist fan. He suits the show. I am also a fan of the show too. I hope with this fallout we dont loose Jung and the show because thats a loose loose for everyone.

    Jung wont have a problem getting work elsewhere but inflaming on the forums wont help his cause IMO.

    I want to see him take on a new venture that he can get his teeth into.

    lose lose i meant GAH!

    I understand that new blood is great and I’m happy to see progression. But I feel that Hex doesn't fill the slot of Hardcore Gamer (which used to be Jung) and Casual or Easycore gamer (which seemed to be Bajo).
    I enjoyed the more serious view of Jung as he did talk about the Core Game Mechanic's, The Aesthetics’ vs. Gameplay.etc.

    I still enjoy the show and i still see it as a show for gamers by gamers, but i just hope that Hex or Bajo fill that gap and we don't end up with two casual gamers.

    Hmmm I'm willing to give it a try but as an adult I preferred junglists somewhat more serious approach to it all and especially the bluntness of his opinions. While I didn't always agree I definitely respected the fact that he made them.

    I still like bajo but he was always the less serious one for me, still decent with opinions and gripes about games but it was the combination of the two that worked. I'll give the new one a try but I can't say I'll like it off the bat. Heck, it took me 5 seasons to get into it in the first place.

    From what I saw on Monday night, Hex is qulified to report on these games, but just dosent have that passion that comes across through the camera. It semed forced, rigid and rehearsed. The things she was saying were apt and relevant, I just didn't get the same vibe from her than from Jung. It's a shame, remember, he has been there a long time and knows his shit. She wears too much make up too.

    Personally I don't know anybody who bothered watching that watered down show to begin with. In my opinion it always steered towards the larger and more commercial demographic, this just seems to be a further push in that direction.

    On the brighter side its an opportunity for him to move in a bigger and better direction.

    I'm sad Junglist got canned and all, they should have done it with more class (maybe had a goodbye show for him or something?) but I agree with the decision. The show needed a girl, badly. Not as a guest presenter, as a regular host. I haven't got used to the change yet, but I think it was a good one.

    Maybe the head honchos at ABC are looking at GG the same way they would look at selling a BBQ...put a sexy woman wearing a bikini next to it and men will buy??

    I think it's good that the show has a female presence in it. Break down those walls that is the generalization only men play games!

      Ahh...there already was a female presence on the show - Rei (asian girl's name, not as in "Ray"). Now the hosting of the show is 67% female (though whether it's not actually higher than that is questionable given Bajo's apparent retreat and abandonment of a comrade).

    On Monday there were two people who had never freakin' played Kingdom Hearts on their talking about a Kingdom Hearts game. The banter on monday was awkward, but I am willing to put that down to first appearance jitters. I did find it difficult to watch though and echo the sentiments of Chris Barns and others when I say that... I just don't believe that Hex really knows what She is talking about. I could be wrong and I hope I am but I am a little nervous about the direction of what was an incredibly tight, funny and informative show.

    I agree with Chris Barns. Hex was good but neither she nor Bajo really give the hardcore gamer vibe. Jung needs his own part of the show where he can just go hardcore - IMO ditch those "current affairs" sequences that I (and probably half the viewing public) skip anyway and let Jung loose on competitive gaming.

    "forced by ABC management, for a mass appeal direction"

    He says this like it's a bad thing.

    This is looking like the endless "hardcore vs casual" debate which has been repeated ad nauseum.

    This is a TV show about games, it makes sense to try to pitch it to people outside hardcore gamers (we all get our info from the Internet anyway, right?). Whether or not the host change is the way to go about this is debatable, but misses the point; at least it shows they know where they need to take the show to make it relevant, which currently it isn't.

      It is a bad thing, because they really just screwed themselves over. Hex and Bajo are reviewing from the same perspective, I don't see how that's going to increase viewership, apart from the intro of a "edgy" scene kid (yay).

      I don't see how the show is not relevant, it's one of the top downloaded and most discussed ABC has. It doesn't pitch it soley to HC gamers, Bajo was there to cover the casual spectrum, now with Hex, it's just Bajo repeating himself with bewbies (YAY!!).

    I'm debating boycotting the show completely. I mean Junglist was the show, he has always been the main host imo. Kopowski left the show on good terms (his choice from my understanding) and being replaced with Bajo didn't change things all that much. But taking away Jung is a show killer. His understanding of many genres of games can't be replaced. Cya laterz Good Game. RIP.

      Oh well lost a viewer here used to watch it for junglist's opinion!

    it's like taking David Stratton(?) of the movie show and replacing him with Richard Wilkins.

    ok Hex might not be that bad but Junglist just had a greater appreciation for more 'Hardcore' titles.

    Heaven forbid they review another racing game...

      STOP RECORDING FOOTAGE USING OUTSIDE-CAR-VIEW YOU NOOBS!

      hehehe. i like chickenz.

      I agree, that Forza review was pretty poor, I play a fair few of the driving games and the points they raised were all the points I already knew from previews and the like. I wanted a more "Hardcore" review covering driving models and stuff like that. Maybe a comparison between Shift and GT5 would be good too. That chick had really no input in that review at all too, now that I think about it.

      Hex is INFINITELY betterlooking than Richard Wilkins.

    Baj should get a 1 game review a show attachment to "At the movies" with david and margaret. Then everything would work out splendid.

      Not Baj!, Jung!
      (just woke up)

    This irks me greatly. I at least thought that it was an amicable decision, and the spite from bajo (who always seemed so nice) really turns me off this show, which is sad, because I really liked it.

    Junglist should make his own webshow. He'd make the money points from it, clearly, with his fan following, plus, given his accent, Americans might be interested, too. I just hope he doesn't move to commercial TV.

    I say Jung get picked up by another station, he will get more attention on Ch 9 and 10 but AbC2!? I bet you 20% of the viewers actually watch it at the exact time, personaly I just watch it via podcast.

    Jung has a talent for thinking what we are thinking, go gives what WE want to know eg: Is this another generic JRPG/FPS whereas "Bajo" always says "Yeah Jung, I agree" and he just regurgitates the same thing Jung said. As stated before I reckon a mainstream station should make a gaming show to compete with GG, because if I want to see boobs I have the Internet and not some "awesomeeeeee Gamer CHIK who hazzzz an xbocks!!!".

    And it seems Bajo is preferring the blonde over his own partner of many years, twat. But in all honesty GG should change their motto from "The show for gamers by gamers" to
    "The show for teenagers going through puberty and playing games, by a scrawny man and a blonde who has a ds and wii"

      "Yeah Khanh Le, I agree" :) GIVE JUNGLIST HIS OWN SHOW. Come on, one of the other stations go for it. You got someone who knows how to do a presenting job ready-made - don't have to run a stupid reality show like Big Brother to find a bogan to attempt shaping into a watchable host. Channel 9 - you up for this? Talent and personality on offer here, that would be nice for a change, wouldn't it? SBS - perhaps something local and without subtitles? Good time to buy Australian.

      Perhaps Good Game's motto could be, "the show for mass appeal to the lowest common denominator, served up by your pretentious ABC douchebag managment". Hey ABC, while you're killing the goose that lays the golden egg, why don't "ban" the show for a week or two (Chaser-style) for some dopey reason (e.g. not enough peroxide) to stir a media storm and draw more attention to the show for ratings. Oh hang on, you already did that when you sacked Junglist.

      By the way, nice euphemism by Bajo about Junglist still being on the show, "working behind the scenes". I am sure the dole queue is an awesome place to be to contribute to the show.

    I wish junglist the best of luck. He is articulate and a good presenter. Why work for the ABC when he could strike out on his own and create his own vidcast. He has enough recognition out there and would have plenty of industry contacts.

    As for the new host, in some ways it is a positive move to appeal to a broader demographic to break out of the boys only zone, which to be fair gaming has a reputation for having. I appreciate they already had Rei there but she was not hosting.

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