Talk Amongst Yourselves

Talk Amongst Yourselves

This is where Kotaku readers go to talk about the stuff we’re not already posting about. Think of it as the official unofficial Kotaku community forum.

You can talk about games. Or movies. Or politics. Music. Food. Science. Sport. Insert your own miscellaneous off-topic discussion here. Just keep it clean.

I’ll be promoting this post each morning until Sunday to let the conversation continue all week. Makes more sense than starting a new comments thread every day.

Talk amongst yourselves below…


    • Your not necessarily crazy. Perhaps just thick… Na, only joking! If I had a choice between the two, I’d pick Tassy too. QLD I think is a good family holiday destination, but I cant stand the heat. Enjoy the wilderness and fishing and stuffs. Since I guess we’ll never here from you again, best of luck!! (Tassy is still not online yet is it?)

    • Pfft – i moved from Melbourne to Geelong which is comparatively the same sort of thing.

      Personally i like the slower paced lifestyle where you don’t feel as rushed..

      Plus i’m with Q-bo – i hate heat so Brissy is a no-no for me.

      …that being said you are used to heat – so i guess we could say yes, you are indeed insane. you are going to freeze your butt off!

      …that being said my work does stock various stylish hoodies to a few shops in Hobart that i can reffer you to, to keep you warm 🙂

      • My nan lives in Corio! I recently set her up with a 386, so she plays MahJongg and refers to herself now as being “Online” Even though she has no internet access what so ever. Mind you, she’s almost always drunk in her defence. 🙂

        • I’m pretty sure that to live in Corio you are actually required to be consistently drunk and behind in the times by a good 15 or so years.

          I’m actually in Geelong West, so i get to avoid Corio – but i do have to go there to their Kmart soon as mine doesn’t have smehting i’ve been looking for that i saw at yet another K-mart…

          Corio really isn’t the nicest place to live – she must be a tough old bird! lol

          On the plus side it’s good to know if you ever come round my ways where you’ll be! I can stalk you! yay!

          • Tough old bird indeed. She’s been in the same house for about 40 years now! Her house repayments were about $8 a month! Some government scheme loan, which she payed off about 5 years ago. $8, man I wish those days would come back… 🙁

            Next time I’m down that way, I’ll give you a shout out 😀

          • I was down at Geelong the other day, you guys have a highschool that looks like Hogwarts, to me.
            And saw a bunch of the Geelong footy players too, pretty cool.

        • this just proves that mahjong is definitely THE past time for anyone. I remember days when 3 of my friends and i would just piss the whole day away at a table… sigh… then we grew up to have responsibilities =[

      • I’m all for the cold Chu, it’s the heat that annoys me.

        What I’m not so keen on is that there isn’t a Toys R Us in Hobart, which makes chasing down exclusive Star Wars figures that TRU get reaaallly hard (and I’ve money says that the new AT-AT that’s due at the end of the year will be a TRU exclusive).

        Will need hoodies & stuff for sure, currently I have one jumper, 2 hoodies and my Basketball Australia Referee jacket. Not enough!

    • How crazy you are depends on how hot your cousin is: somewhat to incredibly hot = quite crazy, average to Sarah Jessica Parker = that boy needs therapy.

        • Friend o’ mine’s got an extremely attractive cousin. Love hanging s**t on him about the forbiddenness of that fruit.
          Forbiddenness is indeed a word…in a not kinda way.

    • You’re leaving Brisbane? Gasp!

      I was born over in Brisbane, but moved over here to Perth when I was ~1 year old. Brisbane’s got some sweet beaches.

      Might head back for the State of Origin…

  • Hey umm…just a quick question.

    Why have you guys not posted anything about the Starblazers (Space Battleship Yamato) movie coming out in December this year?

    Trailer is up on YouTube.

    I might be wrong, you might have posted about it a while ago, but I have not seen anything yet.


  • I watched the Watchmen last night for the first time; what a great movie! Loved the music, the action and the story. Also Malin Åkerman in the nuddy and, almost even better, in that latex! hubba hubba

    • This.

      I enjoyed the film, but a mate of mine who reads a lot more graphic novels was less than impressed. It was one of those films where, for the most part, it helped not knowing about the background (bar that big eared Tiger thing, I had no clue what that was for)

      • I reckon I will pick up the graphic novel today (hey it was pay day) and give it a go.
        I loved how the movie rides that same dark groove like dark knight; im sick of happy endings.
        I have always found myself to be quite good at separating books/comics from their film adaptations. Of course they are not going to be the same and you cant really compare the too. Written and/or illustrated work will always be the better rated as your own mind will create the moods and emotions.
        I see films as a way of someone expressing their experiences with written work and sharing it with others.
        But I will read the graphic novel and find out for myself!

          • Darius,
            I also recommend picking up the Watchmen: The Motion Comic.
            Each frame from the graphic novel is slightly animated whilst it is narrated by one of the actors. (yes, he even does the women’s voices also) It’s a great visual aid to the graphic novel, which I think you’d also enjoy.

          • I enjoyed the movie immensely; it stayed truer to the comic books than most other films have, but i can see how an attention deficient society find it a turn off since it is pretty slow-paced, but i still found it epic.

          • From the reviews I read and the videos I watched, the game got torn apart pretty comprehensively for being awful and repetitive, from combat to enemies. Visually it was pretty drab too.

        • The graphic novel is awesome, as the movie stuck pretty close to it. But it has more additional content, so if you liked the movie, you’ll like the graphic novel. So yeah. Enjoy!

        • Definately read the graphic novel. Some minor differences, only one major (without spoiling, it pertains to the ending).
          I decided to read the graphic novel before seeing the movie, but I think this is one of the rare cases where perceptions based upon the movie will not alter the perceptions of the graphic novel.

          • Indeed, I just forked out for Kick-Ass.
            Amazon, Hardcover, including postage it came to just under AU$30. Not bad.

      • Kick-Ass was an awesome movie. Now I want to read the graphic novel. If the comic -> movie transfer is anything as smooth as Watchmen, I’ll be happy to pay the US$15 from Amazon.

        • I gotta say, I thoroughly did not enjoy kick ass. While it had it’s moments, I was just completely taken aback. I don’t understand what it’s purpose was. Can anyone help me out here?

          I’m all for having an 11 year old girl slay dozens of men and swear like a sailor if it has artistic merit; if it has a specific meaning, a meaning that is insightful or interesting. Otherwise, you’ve just got brash violence and the spouting of swears for the sake of what? Character building? She was a weak character, barely anything went on until the end and even then it was soggy.

          All I’m left with is a supposed “shock value.” Which is the worst part of all. People keep comparing it to a kid version of Tarantino, but Tarantino never shot his action sequences like a pop music video.
          So please, can someone explain it to me?

  • I love it when you buy a game you’ve never heard of before and it turns out to be awesome. I got Dragon Quest: Monsters joker on the DS yesterday and I’ve already clocked in a few hours on it. It’s got this gameplay really similar to the original pokemon games on the Gameboy, and it’s pretty much got the exact same plot. And I love that. I’ve only got 2 DS games right now, but so far I’m enjoying this one a lot more than FF3.

    anyway, is anyone here with TPG? I want to switch internet providers, are they any good?

    • I was wondering if that game was good or not – i may have to pick it up now..

      Also, i’m with IINet since i moved out of home which has been awesome.

      When i was at the folks they had TPG – and while it is both good and cheap, there’s nothing spectacular about it and it did go down fairly often – though no where near as often as Telstra.

      • I’m with Optus right now, and I’ve had the exact same plan with the same data allowance for about 7 years. It was a good plan for its time, but these days I find myself only downloading stuff at off peak times to not go over the monthly limit. For the same price I’m paying now I should be getting about 130 gigs a month, but I’m only on about 25 gigs.

        Some plans charge more for usage once you go over, but I’m looking for a plan that just shapes my speed at a certain amount and doesn’t charge me anymore.

      • Stuffing one of them into a suitcase sounds good after my weekend. Just not for travelling tho…

        Oh and Old_Skool_Gamer and Tomasz, I endorsed you lads too 🙂

        • Whoops, this was supposed to be in response to Loops about Sony…. Move along…

          I was wondering about TPG though myself the only thing which I worry about is the 2 year contract. Im with Pacific at the moment, at the time it was a good deal (for 95 gigs a month), but now it seems expensive.

          • i game online on PC most of the time, and my friends and i always seem to have problems with TPG hosts; they seem to make everyone else lag.

            And any of my friends with TPG wouldn’t recommend it, but we’re in Perth so that might come into play…

      • iinet have been pretty good for me. Not too expensive, especially with bundled home phones, and decent quota limits (which just got doubled because the old plan I was on was made redundant :P). Especially good is that all Xbox Live downloads are quota free, and many game patches can be downloaded quota free from an iinet/westnet gaming site (in my case, lots of WoW patches… ~2Gb worth…).

    • im with iinet who are pretty good, but from the start i should say that they have massively fallen behind in customer service quality.
      the unmetered xbox live, ABC iview and itunes downloads does me good though.
      and with home phone bundled in the 60 bucks a month are pretty decent. good speeds on the lower north shore too

    • Tried browsing the Whirlpool forums? ( Their forum structure is somewhat messy but if you start slimming down your options (Their plan search is pretty helpful too:, you can start doing Google searches along the lines of “Optus or iiNet” (for example) and you should be lead to some pretty helpful opinion threads.

      Also, you could take a quick glance at their yearly Internet survey ( for a more general feeling of customers towards their ISPs.

    • Well from my own experience, don’t use the shitty Netcomm router/modem TPG offers you, just don’t even consider it. Mostly, my internet connection is ok, while yes it does have its downtimes, a lot of the time it’s because the Netcomm router we get just screws over. My brother does most of the things, so I’m not entirely knowledgeable to all the goings-on.
      Another thing, I believe our first Netcomm router from TPG died (settings borked all up), so we had to get a replacement, but the model has some nefarious cooling (read as: lack of) issues.

    • Never even heard of Monster Hunter before ~ a month ago.

      Was told to look into it by a friend. We both bought Monster Hunter Tri on the Wii, and I can safely say it is one of the most enjoyable games I’ve played in a while. Already have ~50 hours racked up ^_^ (which is ~ double my total time playing Final Fantasy XIII…)

  • So. I think I have been cursed from my ill attempts at keyboard repairs. I was playing Dirt and having a good time when in ran my girls.
    “Daddy, the lights leaking water”
    I blink
    “The lights leaking water, like a tap, kinda”
    This is not good, and also rather out of the ordinary I think. So I get up and go to the kitchen, theres water all over the floor, and yes, it was coming out of the light.
    “Holy Fire Truck” I say out loud and madly try to find a bucket and towels.

    After 20 mins of soaking up the mess, turning out the lights at the mains and shutting off the water, I began investigating the cause of this kafuffle. I figure it must have been the shower taps upstairs, but an investigation proved it to be dry.
    So, I figure its the worst case, a popped pipe inside the ceiling somewheres. I call a plumber, and he promptly tells me (without even the slightest hesitation the cheeky sod) its $250 just to come out on a Saturday, and $150 per hour after that. My mouth drops open, and I look up to the gods for help.

    Being an atheist, it was kind of a big ask now I think of it, but help I did receive!! For, as I looked up, I noticed a meter wide patch of wet plaster (about 2 meters away from the kitchen light, which kind of received all the attention up until now). I hang up on the over pricing mario.

    This is when it all clicked. This big wet patch (giggle away) was directly under the bath. The bath in which my daughter, of coke fame, had had a mermaid session in about 4 hours previously.

    After more internal swearing, I find that she had spilt some water over the back of the bath.
    “Not much daddy”, she says, “About, ummmmm, you know those big milk containers?”
    I nod.
    “About 5 or so of those, but I used lots of towels, and cleaned it all up!”
    I check the washing machine, and the towels were drenced, pretty much all the towels we own had been used in this little experiment.

    Unfortunately, it seems my bathroom needs resealing all over, as all the tiles grout has cracked in places. The plaster is still wet, 2 days later, I’m hoping it will dry and not go mouldy…?? I cant afford to replace the whole kitchen ceiling! Give me good news. please?

    She is in sooo much trouble…. Oh yeah, and she later tells me (after the red in my face had died down, on the sunday) she was using a jug, to make a “little river” in which to float a boat about on around the baths edge. Sooo much trouble….

    • As much as it shouldn’t have – that post made me giggle insanely.

      the ending was just the cherry on the cake. it was such a “Bill Cosby’s kids say the darndest things” moment.

      That being said i REALLY hope your roof (and floor for that matter) get better! For one thing, you can’t fit them in an oven!

    • Oooh, that’s a paddlin’. I got my fingers crossed for you man, they say it happens in threes (I hope not for your sake).

    • Wow dude what a messy week it’s been for you, I’m a sparky by trade so if your putting a new light in give us a bell here. I won’t extort you either, tell your daughter she will have a shower in the yard under the sprinkler from now on with dishwashing liquid. Worked on my nephews.

      As for IP’s I’m an iinet user and find them quite fast and after a few early drop outs I havnt had one in as long as I can remember and they upgrade your download limits every so often while paying the same amount. I’ll do movies in less than 30mins and albums in less than 5mins on naked ADSL2+.

      Let us know how your kitchen underwater lighting goes.

      • What area are you in Mark? I’m thinking of selling up my house. It was made by Henry Homes and the quality is dismal. Its only 8 years old and falling to bits. If your able to come out Pakenham way I’d love to get in touch about a few fixups I need doing.
        Cheers 🙂

          • My sister went down to Pakenham yesterday for her first manual driving lesson. Apparently the stockyards there are “the place” for learners.

        • Sorry dude I’m in Sydney, sucks I wouldve been up for it otherwise. Uh the plaster is knackered mate you’ll be cutting out the wet section for sure, but you can repair that yourself fairly easily with some gyprock offcuts. As for the light I’d grab a new one from bunnings just to be sure. Copper corrodes easy and creates short circuits. Looks like a busy weekend in the kitchen mate, but you should be right with the light if you have it turned off at the board. Sorry I couldn’t be more help though, but if you do have questions I’ll try my best to help out.

          • Thanks anyways Mark. I wont be able to reach the ceiling to repair it tho (wheelchair), but I have a buddy who visits so I might ask for him for some help with the repair. Darn kids :/

          • Ahh mate wish I could have been of more assistance, if you end up needing a tradie phone around like nobodys business for the best price because we are ripoffs, although when I do such jobs as these I am as reasonable as I can be. Best of luck man, she’ll be right this sort of malarky always comes good in the end.

            They should be put on triple chores for a month !

        • Hey, *I* live there!
          Pakenham is taking over the world!

          Back on the original subject, I know a good electrician that our whole family uses but he usually doesn’t come down our way until there’s 2 or 3 jobs on the same day. And I dunno how cheap he is for non-family – he’s good to us coz he’s the only sparky the family will use so he gets quite a bit of work from us.

          Other than him, I’ve seen two different electrician’s vans around the corner from our house (in Lakeside) but no idea what they’re like. If you’re desperate (assuming you haven’t sorted it out it by now) I can get you any of the above’s numbers. Email my username at hotmail 🙂

    • Dude, super lame!!! Do you own the house or can you swing it so your agent has to pay?

      And what ended up happening with the keyboard? I’m intrigued… Was it the boat?

    • IT’S A-ME, MARIO!

      that line had me rofling. “that over-priced mario!”

      You’ll be alright, if anything, head down to bunnings and they’ll sort you out. 😀

    • I’d hate to think what number 3 will be, if indeed luck comes in three’s…

      Would drilling a few holes in the plaster’s wet patch help the situation, you know to let any more water sitting up there out? Or would it destroy it more?

      Bill Cosby moment indeed. 😀

      • Well, if you want it to dry quickly, you could always just set the oven to fan forced 50C and-
        Oh wait, I’m thinking of something else.

      • I’m pretty sure drilling holes into an already wet roof would be more likely to weaken the structural integrity of the roof itself… so probably not a good idea

      • HOORAY for luck number 3!!!! I’m still a happy lil vegemite today. I can’t believe I won! Loops wins, then me. Its official, we are a couple.
        I’ll take the left side of the bed, I get nightmares when I sleep on the right side 😉

    • Dude… You seem to be having lots of fun with liquids these past few weeks. Did you ever get the Razer keyboard working again?

  • As with any online competition these days the ‘Sony Experience’ is all about harnessing the power of social networking and using people’s popularity to flog wares.

    Endorse me more I like it –> <– "A vote for me is a return vote back to you from me!"

  • When are the Spyro psone games going to be on the Aussie Playstation Store? I’m sick of waiting.

  • Woohoo… IT issues at work! Internet seems to be the only thing that is working at the moment, access to our internal network and drives are all failing…

    So, nothing to do at the moment… Lunch might be the only option at the moment…

    • Perhaps you can check if your up to date on Zero Punctuation?? Speaking of which, I havn’t checked it out in ages. Personally I loved the old days when he used themed music intros, they were the best. Such good times.

      • BOLLOCKS!!!

        i’m behind!!! looks like i’ll be ignoring the missus tonight and watching that instead!

      • Lunch won the battle… though I am behind on ZP, so will do that tonight.

        Sadly, the lack of sound at the work PC limits alot of video watching! 🙁

      • Those themed music intros were enjoyable.
        I really need to catch up on the last few months of ZP. *shame*

  • So everyone loves pre-order bonuses and special editions!

    Shut up, i said EVERYONE! No arguing!!

    With this in mind, i would like to hear everyone fantasize about what upcoming special releases you’d like to see on incoming games!

    Warhammer 40,000 online:
    A long way off, i know, but i’d love to see the same thing that was done with Warhammer Online. That was one seriously awesome Collectors Edition. The art book was absolutely fantastic too.

    Transformers: War for Cybertron:
    Art book and an actual transformer! I don’t care who, i just want more transforming toys! Maybe there could be 2 separate editions – a Decepticon and an Autobot edition, both with their own unique art and transformer.

    I’ll surely add more late.. but my lunch break is officially up lol

    What about you guys and gals?

    • Well for the War for Cybertron, I’d be happy if we’d get it for PC (I asked in the last TAY:

      As for pre-order deals, I’ll be fine with the extra characters, for a special edition (the states aren’t getting one afaik) what you said would be feasible, however some people may be annoyed at the possibly crappy quality of the Transformer. I don’t think it really needs a special however, it doesn’t seem as much hype went into the game.

    • Oooooo… Collector’s Editions! *drools* What do I want in them? Merchandise and lots of crap! :p So this won’t be about specific games and wants from them, but CE’s in general.

      I’ve been pretty impressed with a few recently and would like to see some form of “standard” within CE’s which become collections themselves!

      First off, Art Books… most games lend themselves well to this catergory and alot of companies try and cut it down to something the size of the game case. 2 of the best artbooks (released with games) have come within the last year. Tekken 6 and for me, the best that has come with a game, BioShock 2 (guess it really helps the games art drection is fantastic)

      So something of that quality with most games would be very welcome. Also if someone wishes to gift me one of those Uncharted 2 Super Awesome Artbooks, just let me know! 😉

      Alot of games now on the official website allow for Fankit downloads, a few publishers have given us a USB Drive which has been made in the style of the game. This is probably one of the more expensive for them but mash them together, it gives the consumer that is practical, but also provides a bunch of assets they can use with their PC. Saints Row 2 Bullet, Brink already has one?

      I like figurines of characters, or something like the Batman Batarang, or Bayonetta’s Scarborough Fair, but they need to pick up the quality of them also. Not all are bad (AC2 were good), but some need work.

      Specifically on CE’s in general, variant standards. Entry level you have the Standard Version of the game. If the publisher wants to have CE and then a better Limited Special Edition. Then the LSE contains everything the CE but more. Publishers that have done it wrong recently… Sony with God Of War, if I forked over $250 for the Pandora’s Box version, I want my GOWIII game to be the CE’s others could buy, not a standard version, also AC2, White and Black Edition’s? It also worked, as the Black had all the contents of the White but abit more, then problem being there are 2 different figurines.

      Those that have done it right, MW2, Night Vision Goggles version, had the Hardened version included. Halo Reach is doing it right upcoming also.

      I’ll move onto my last “want”, I’ve crapped on too long! These two have popped up only recently, the quality looks great and it would work for any game. People collect random stuff, stamps, spoons, matchboxes, etc… I’ve got a nerd hardon now for Playing Cards. 🙂

      Red Dead Redemption –

      Fallout : New Vegas –

      Now, sure these two games have links to gambling and there is a natural fit, but the Red Dead cards show that you don’t need to have actual characters on the cards, but only need to be styled towards the game.

      You could have a deck of LocoRoco Uno cards! :p In Battlefield : Bad Company, alot of the online awards were card related, but in general ANY online shooter could use the online award icons on the cards. GT/Forza could simply have cars, the list is endless… Just think of one of you favourite games in general made into a deck of cards! 🙂 These packs could be a collection all by themselves!

      ok… I’ll crawl back to my cave now! :p

      • Wow, your hands must be hurting like hell now haha

        I couldn’t agree with you more, though. I love having random crap with my games – as long as it’s good quality.

        Art books and figurines are ALWAYS welcome – but i also love packs that think outside the box – and that new fallout pack looks absolutely stunning!

        But things i don’t want are stuff like extra costumes or access to “bonus weapons”. Those are UNLOCKABLES, not paid for special bonus content. Sure, ok i’ll let it slip if it’s a pre-order bonus – but if you’re not going the pre-order you’re going to get stiffed out of a few items other people get to use and then you have to pay for later on if you want to use it..

        You know i’d LOVE to see in a pre-order… inflatables. Just for the laugh of it.

        Give me Warhammer 4,000 online with an inflatable bolter. Now THAT’S cool!

        • I’m with you on the unlockables. To me I feel like if I use them from the get-go, it’s lowering the difficulty and removing something that I would’ve gone after anyway.

          Harking back to Red Dead, EB’s preorder has 4 unlockables. I was talking to a mate who preordered from there just for that fact, and while it’s nice to have something chucked in here or there as a pre-order thankyou, I just can’t fathom why I’d go out of my way to a place where I don’t usually buy from to get some stuff I’m going to unlock eventually anyway.

          Ah well, to each their own, eh?

      • Those Red Dead cards are brilliant. They appeal to both my gamer collectable side and my creative design side. Bought a couple of packs off eBay a couple of days ago, here’s hoping it was all above board and I actually get the merch!

    • As a semi-related gripe, you know what I don’t like in Special/Collector editions?
      Bonus pieces of code. A ring with +1 to all stats? That’s what I get for my extra $10-$20?
      Of course, I like physical copies of stuff (so I’m kinda split on digital distribution. Cheap games are great, but I like having some sort of physical representation of my money spent, I’m just stubborn like that), so bonus in-game code just doesn’t cut it for me.
      But more generally speaking, artbooks and soundtracks? Lovely. Bobbleheads and figurines? Brilliant.
      Looking forward to the Demon Souls Black Phantom Edition.

      • I, too, am torn with regards to digital distribution. Sure, it’s convenient, and potentially cheaper. But I like to read the instruction manuals.

    • Hrmmm… Special editions are so tasty.
      For W40K Online, perhaps some bundled miniatures? Haven’t touched my Dark Angels for years, and it would give me an excuse to dust them off…

      War for Cybertron should definately include a new toy. Maybe have an Autobot and Decepticon edition, with either Optimus or Megatron respectively. That would be cool.

    seems i have snoozed the preorder deadline one too many times (do’h)
    will the outfit, horse and guns pack be available in game if i dont have the limited edition?

  • I’m confused, for one reason or another I thought Modnation racers was a PSN game, am I wrong, is it a blu-ray disc full retail pop-it-in-your-drive arrangement?

    Also I’ve noticed it’s on PS3 and PSP – are their any interesting cross over features? Can I progress the same ‘game save’ between devices?

    • You’re correct that you’re wrong (Sorry, just wanted to see how that line would come out in text)

      It’s a full retail game that should be released in 2 days. It’s pretty good as well. I can’t answer your ‘game save’ question but the customisation options in that game are immense and highly simplified at the same time.

  • Just wanted to mention the Natal… Gizmodo currently has an article speculating that it could cost up to 200 USD (229 AUD). And I was just wondering what people thought would be a reasonable price for it… Ideally I would like the maximum to be around the $150 mark (and naturally include a disc with some games on it to demonstrate the hardware like wii sports). I think $200 would be okay (just), but I think it would require a lot of justification once it gets past that point.

    What does everyone else think?

    • Yeah, I realised that. Sorry I didn’t make my point very clear… I was basically using that as a springboard to say the sort of pricing I would find to be reasonable for the Natal. And I was just wanting to see what other people thought would be a good price for it. It certainly could be an incredible product but it’s success or failure really hinges on the final price it gets released for.
      So does anyone else have a price range that they would consider to be acceptable for the Natal?

    • Ask again once E3 has revealed all it’s juicy little secrets. I agree it’s great looking tech, but we need to see more of it’s applications. C’mon Microsoft, convince me!

  • So, RED DEAD REDEMPTION is getting some super-massive wraps and review scores. I’m feeling inspired about it. What about you fellas?

    • I would gladly have a gaming session with you, but I don’t have my PS3 anymore (sold it a few months ago).

  • Hey David, any chance of an version of Game Club? There are certainly some opinionated buggers in here, so it could be lively addition.

    • My addiction to Kotaku means any and all questions I have need to be asked here. So rather than googling it myself, what is this Game Club of which thee speaks?

      • It’s a little like Book Club. They do this semi-regularly on the US Kotaku site. The current game is Alan Wake. The games are discussed in segments, for instance the first three levels, to help maintain focus, and to make sure everyone is on the same page … so to speak 🙂

  • Currently started playing ICO on PS2 (let alone after managing to get my hands on a copy)

    The sheer scale of that climbing castle quite honestly frightens me at times.

    • Ico was one of the most beautiful games i’ve ever played. it was just so sweet and… pleasant? then shadow of the colossus came along, and it was even more epic and grander.

      ahhh, if u’re having your first play through, enjoy it.

    • Fantastic game, almost the perfect game also… only 1 tiny segment stood out and annoyed me, “The Water Piston Jump” is what I call it, just seemed alittle broken.

      Other than that, the puzzles are never too taxing, but completely satisfying when completed. The game looked brilliant also, the lighting is exceptional.

      Just thinking about this and SoTC, now has wanting The Last Guardian to be here NOW! Hopefully E3 will have details of a release!

    • You guys just make me reminisce about the PS2 days.

      I’ve already played SOTC (I own 2 copies :)) and while I’m liking ICO so far, SOTC is still number one for me.

  • Did anyone know that they had Project Natal and the Playstation Move on A Current Affair tonight?

    I don’t normally watch that crap but I was on the XBox website and saw in their Twitter feed that they had a segment on so I went to the ACA website and watched it. It’s pretty much your standard PR bullshit to hype it up to people not in the know (casual gamers).

    You guys have any thoughts?

    • It’s PR bullshit just like you said..

      The last time I remember games being featured on ACA was during Christmas and they were just doing some crap, generic puff piece on Assassin’s Creed 2 and some kiddy games with overinflated retail prices.

      • It was White… it was amusing they mentioned that they were unable to show the device, but you could see it at times and at one point, there was a camera shot of it from directly behind it…

    • Bells and whistles don’t attract my attention anymore :p It’s funny that everyone fails to mention that you need at least 1.5m square space (I think it’s actually 4 feet square) to play Natal. Unfortunately I ain’t got that space and I’d wager so wouldn’t half the gamers in here :s

    • Bah, I’ve seen it all before. The ACA report gave no new information for people who’ve payed any sort of attention to these over the past several months. So, standard ACA reporting…

  • Only have one game in the mail at the moment. Alan Wake from the UK. I hope it somehow managed to avoid the volcano delay as I’d like to be playing it this week!

  • Is there any reason that the us.kotaku site redirects here to the au one? Because if this is a permanent change, I’m just going to unbookmark this site now and stick to Joystiq.

  • Pricing shout out for those who don’t know:
    Alan Wake (Xbox 360) – AU$74 at Big W as of tomorrow (20th May)
    Red Dead Redemption (Xbox 360 & PS3) – AU$84 at both Big W and K-Mart as of Friday (21st May)

    Hopefully I’ll be able to nab Red Dead tomorrow from an inattentive sales assistant when I get Alan Wake, so I don’t have to go back on Friday…

    • Damn, $74 is a good price. I was going to pop round to JB Hifi in the city after work but since Big W at the QV is a block away, I’ll just walk there and save some cash.

      Cheers Cracks!

      • Well, the Slashdot article went up on the 18th, and the link from the article is dated the 12th, so I doubt this was a few months ago.

        And the guy you are thinking of is Grigori Perelman, who solved the Poincaré conjecture.

    • Ahhhh maths. My arch nemesis from university engineering. (yes, I went to uni!, no, I did not win).

      Ummm, I guess thats awesome news>..? Does this mean we will have hover cars now?

  • Choooooppppyyy???? Loooooppppy!!???? Someone please help. I’ve lost my pet loopster! Last seen wearing cloths and then selling cloths on 18th may. Dearly missed pet. Reward offered. Possibly abducted by womankind who needed attention.


      • You made me laugh so hard I spat my drink everywhere.
        If that doesn’t win you commenter of the week there should be a rebellion.

      • No one man can contain my Choopy! You better run and hide, then run some more followed by a posting on facebook then hide again. Because I will come at you, with an army of me soaked in terror. You will shake and tremble before me as I rise and wipe your soul from the face of that tainted ground you walk upon. Hand him over now, while you can still breath.

        Also, he needs a hug. Would you mind?

        • I might be willing to trade loops for an unmelted keyboard 😛
          And it would be pretty hard to hug him when he’s in the pit, putting lotion on his skin.

        • Alright. Time for lectures.
          If Chuloopa hasn’t escaped in the next 6 hours, I’ll auction him off to the highest bidder. Starting at three shiny metal baubles. Or maybe an obtuse limerick.

          • I shall bid 2 million shiney metal baubles… No..
            Wait, I don’t make underhanded deal with a criminal hostage taker! What do you take me for?? A weakling?? Listen here you young whipper snipper, I eat ps3 controllers for breakfast, I adjust light levels with nothing but my eyelids. And I make a rather nice pate and cheese plater.
            The jig is up my friend, remove him from the pit at once and why the hell are you playing “Goodbye Horses” on the radio??

          • Damn. Was hoping my scam would work. Truth is, I don’t know where Chuloopa is 😛
            I *do* have a pit, but the only resident is David Spade with an AutoTrader magazine.
            I will gladly accept your shiny metal baubles for David Spade, though…

          • David Spade?? errr, and you’ve left the hole unfilled???

            I’m a tad worried now about loopster. 🙁 Perhaps his net is down?

          • WTH? How did you get out of your hole? Get back in there Spade, there’s a mirror in that hole. It will keep you amused I bet.

            Where’s Buffalo Bill when you need him??? He was tucking fantastic!

    • Y’know, is it more than just a coincidence that when David jets off to America, Chuloopa suddenly goes AWOL?

      I sense a secret, elicit liaison..

      • Hmmmm…. It is odd I must say. Choops wouldn’t run off with David would he? Without letting me know?
        The two of them, sitting side by side on a long dull flight. With only each others company to keep amused, staring at each others strong callased joystick thumbs with deep longing. Then in a crazy moment of mixed up madness lean across, lips quivering for something more….ARRRRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!

        Goooooooose!, what have you done with my man?????
        *crumples to the floor weeping.

  • Ok. I’m gonna go all artsy on yer arses and demand you take a look at this.

    This is a CGI film made by one guy (Alex Roman), who even did the music for it, over the course of a year.

    It is without doubt the most beautiful, inspiring, piece of artwork I’ve had the pleasure of watching. Take a few minutes out of your day, turn up the sound, and mellow out. If you love art, you’ll appreaciate and love it. If you dont watch it, I’ll send Sir Goose on yer arse, and man, he bites hard!

    • Oh, and don’t forget to watch in HD, otherwise your just cheating yourself. I rarely link to anything, so trust me, its really amazing that one guy did this all himself. Some shots just seem so real, I can’t wait for the day games are raytraced in realtime.

    • That just made my day. Reminds me of the guy who got stopped by ‘Spiderman’ and a few ‘Jedi’ at that comic book store recently.

      • My favourite is still that 80 odd year old in Britain who was once the Armys boxing champ.

        Got held up by 3 youths at an atm and had them beaten senseless in seconds.

  • This was just tweeted through Xbox Australia where they’ve announced a partnership with Foxtel to Foxtel channels and video on demand movies and TV through Xbox Live.

    No pricing structure is announced yet (and not til close to launch date late in the year) but it seems really intriguing. There are a couple of things that would make this appeal to me if they get it going:

    – Competitive pricing structure: I still think I’m not prepared to pay something like $30 upwards for TV a month. I don’t watch it anyway.
    – That pricing structure also applies to the on-demand movies, although I can’t see Microsoft inking a deal that will impact their own on-demand services greatly.
    – Flexible channel choices
    – Unmetered on multiple ISPs: This one is probably unlikely; I can see Telstra spruiking it, and whether the content will be able to be applied to iiNet’s Live unmetered.

    All that, of course, is pure speculation. 😀

  • Guys, has anybody heard if Red Dead Redemption has gone on sale yet?? Normally games are released on Thursdays, yet no one’s budging to start selling till Fri.

    Please let me know.
    (Im in the Sydney CBD area)

  • What’s the first thing (other than story missions) that you’re going to do in Red Dead Redemption?

    I’ll probably just roam around for a while, and see if I can find any Stranger quests. Maybe complete the Dastardly achievement.
    Probably look around for some easter eggs.

    RDR is looking so awesome.

    • You know, in all the excitement I haven’t actually thought about it.

      I guess I’ll do a few missions first, get the story started then go for a bit of an explore. I’m eager to see the landscape and the eco system, and I’d love to do some hunting.

  • Hey guys, Red Dead Redemption’s street date has been broken! Picked up mine from JB in Melbourne CBD so I’m assuming with such a big retailer it’s nation wide.

    Reports on twitter that it’s selling at EB & Dick Smith too.

    • Got mine from EB TTP in south australia.
      The Game down the road has it on their shelves too.

      • Has to be said, but JB-HI FI Victoria Galleries are lame.
        I got the game which was great, but when price matching a legitimate competitor (BIG-W Catalogue has it for $84) they wouldn’t give it as it would undercut their sale price….Soft.

  • Gack! Stuck at uni until 3pm. Won’t get to the shops until ~4pm. And I have to run an errand for my dad. The wait for RDR and Alan Wake is killing me!

  • Dave, why didn’t you report on Australian game retailers breaking Red Dead Redemption’s street date?? It’s news (well it was at 1pm today)…

    • Daves been busy soaking up the atmosphere of the America’s on a holi…work assignment. Seamus is filling in though.

  • I doubt if anyone cares anymore but ill say it anyway… There is a rumor going around that 3D Realms have sold the Duke Nukem IP and the company are now finishing Duke Nukem Forever.

    I for one dont believe it but with a pending arse kicking by the Take 2 Lawyers anything is possible.

    PS. If there is a link to a website or anymore news ill post it.

    • I lol’d at ‘finishing Duke Nukem Forever’. I don’t think this universe will permit the completion of that game.

    • Ooooo, bad luck there Bish. Fatty or Slim? I’ve not had a ylod yet, but I have noticed the ps3’s fan has been going bananas lately, I think it may be the cupboard its inside. But, it looks so much more tidy in there.

      You getting it repaired or swapped?

    • Not good. 🙁
      If you’re sending it to Sony for repair, you’ll need to ask specifically for them to send your own PS3 back or else it’ll mess up a lot of your saves and DLC which are tied to your particular console. You can manually back up each save file though, but some of them won’t work on a different console.
      After 3 YLOD’s (two different PS3s) I’ve finally learned that it pays to wait for your own console instead of the automatic already refurbed one.

    • A la phat, one of the 60GB ones that could play PS2 games (I think). I’m not really sure what to do, quite frankly. If I get it repaired, it’s still going to be a 3 year old machine with overheating issues. It’ll be the same thing if I send it in to Sony, since they just give you a refurbished model. I’m not really fussed about the contents of the HDD though, Strange. Never really bothered with DLC and I know I’ll never revisit those old saves, even if they do hold memories. If I lob it off to EB (apparently they take dead consoles =S), it goes towards the newer more efficient Slim model, but that’s still another $300 or so.

  • I posted this yesto, but I think it fits better here…

    I have a question that involves cashflow.

    Everyone keeps arguing about which console is the best or PC is best or whatever.

    Years ago I was so happy cos I lived with a guy who owned a damn good PC and an Xbox.
    I had a PS2, Dreamcast, Gamecube and a DS.

    I thought it was fantastic cos we had all our bases covered. There wasn’t a game we could miss out on.

    Now I’m married and have a kid on the way, so I had to choose between PS3 and 360.
    I ended up getting 360 after finding out about FF13 being multi and playing Blue Dragon.

    So the Questions are:
    If you could, would you buy all?
    Are there rich fanboys out there that deny themselves the exclusives because they have decided one mindless, heartless corporation is better than the other?

    So, if you could afford it why wouldn’t you buy them all??

    • I got myself a PS3 and a 360. While it’s real nice being able to play all the major games when they come out, I didn’t realise the strain having two consoles would put on my finances. It’s looking more and more like I might have to sell one.

      But then, I’d probably keep the PS3 as it is so damn useful, and has all the games I want to play, sans Fable and Gears of War.

    • I could probably afford to buy a PS3. I already own an Xbox 360 and a Wii (in addition to my older consoles).

      The reason I don’t is that the PS3 exclusive titles aren’t enough to make me lay down $500 for the console, plus ~$100 each for the games, and the multi-platform titles will play just fine on my Xbox. Especially when I could spend that money on a truckload of book and DVDs. Seriously, $500 could get me ~20 new books. Or about the same number of DVDs (depending on title, age, and any specials happening).

    • Heh, just visit the GFAQs boards and you’ll see a ton of trolls in a fanboy/girl war. Or maybe they’re not trolling, maybe they really are that stupid, but either way, it’s silly.

      I’m not sure I would buy them all, though. I don’t have anything against Microsoft, and maybe it’s just because I don’t pay attention, but as someone who solely uses their consoles/portables for gaming (I don’t really care about media playing abilities), the 360 hasn’t really grabbed my attention. Mass Effect 2 got me pumped, but I grabbed that on the PC.
      If I’m disgustingly rich, I’d still probably want at least one thing, one title, one 360 exclusive game to justify getting a 360. Problem is, I can’t really think of one that makes me go “I want”.

      • I can see that, if you have a PC and PS3 you’re covered.
        I have a freind that goes that way, owns a Wii PC and PS3. Got himself two 360 controllers synched to the PC and he’s set.
        My PC is a laptop and struggles with PS2 era games.

    • Since I was a kid, I was only allowed to have one console.

      Sega Megadrive/Genesis over SNES
      Playstation over N64
      PS2 over Gamecube/Xbox

      Nowadays though, I own everything. To answer your question, I would most certainly buy them all (so long as I had a stable job at thet time).

      Then again,

      My PS3 was obtained through the Sony Bravia deal (Buy TV, Free PS3)

      My Xbox360 was a birthday gift from my girlfriend.

      And the Wii was the only console I actually paid money for.

    • I am by no means rich, and I own a PS3, 360, Wii, DS and PSP (360, DS and PSP were gifts, traded in my old xbox and a some games for the PS3, paid for the Wii in full).
      I’m also lucky in that when I moved in with my now-husband he also owned a 360 and a PS3.

      Whenever I buy multiplatform games, my first choice is to get it for the PS3 because the controller fits in my small girl-hands much better.

      If I had to get rid of any it would be a difficult decision, but first on the chopping block would be the Wii, based on time played with each console. My kids would probably kill me though.

  • Righto everyone! I will be purchasing a new article of interactive audio-visual entertainment (re: video game) today, and I need your help! Not just help, but YOUR help! (yes, you in the back)

    My internet is being cut-off today, on account of me moving, and on account of me wanting to break a bad cycle of procrastinating on Facebook.

    So, that said, I need a single-player game that will keep me entertained. The catch is, it has to be around the $50-60 mark, as I am poor.

    I’m leaning towards Episodes from Liberty City. What game would YOU choose?

    • Which console?

      Advertised on the JB Hifi website at the moment are the following:
      PS3 – Bayonetta, Saboteur, Brutal Legend all for $49
      Xbox 360 – same as above, but with Episodes from Liberty City at $49 also
      Wii – Yeah, not much going on here
      PC – A few older games for $19 (inc Saints Row 2)

      If you haven’t played Brutal Legend, I’d suggest that – one of the funnier games I’ve played, especially if you like Jack Black.
      Bayonetta has some high review scores, so at $49 it might be worth picking up. has Arkham Asylum for $64 online only price.

      You’d also probably be able to get a Bioshock/Oblivion pack for ~50 from most places. Oblivion will last you a goodly long while.

      And lastly, EB Games are having their ‘Mad Monday’ online sale this coming Monday (24th).

  • Totally off topic, but i’m excited so I can’t help it! Had solar electric panels installed on my new house yesterday! looks HAWT!!! hopefully i can say goodbye to my electricity bills now!! more money for games! WIN!

    • Dude, this whole comment section is off topic 😛
      Grats on the solar panels. Hope you save some cash, and it might also just help out the environment. Every little bit helps.

  • Impromptu poll:

    Who do you want to win the State of Origin?

    New South Wales?

    Personally, I hope the maroons thwomp the blues.

    And is anyone actually going to watch the broadcast in 3D?

  • I’m going to buy some DVDs (The Shield, Entourage) and a game at lunch this arvo but I’m torn; Red Read Redemption or Alan Wake?

    • I bought both yesterday, and played about an hour and a half of each (RDR on my mates PS3).

      My impressions? AW has an awesome, awesome atmosphere. It’s creepy and dark and mysterious, but you need to play this game in the dark. If you play it during the day on the weekend you just lose a lot of the experience.

      RDR is very intriguing, with the initial set up and the eerie score setting the mood. The place looks epic, and it just begs you to be explored. But hey, I’ve only played an hour and a half so I can’t say much.

      The differences felt quite apparent. RDR felt very free; when I played AW I wanted to jump fences and explore but it’s fairly linear in it’s set up. AW looks good scenery wise, but the faces have put me off somewhat already, while RDR seems to have had a lot more attention to detail rammed into it’s character design.

      I would say grab RDR. Both games are retailing at similar prices, but RDR will keep you engrossed for such a long time. Hell, I’m sitting here at working wanting to go home and the game I want to play is RDR over AW. Besides, by the time you’re over RDR, AW will have dropped in price 🙂

      • I, too, have played a couple of hours of both.

        Alan Wake has, as mentioned, a fantastic mood, and the story is inexorably drawing me in. But that’s probably because I like those sort of stories. The gameplay is rather refreshing, and is well constructed.

        RDR, though, is phenomenal. You could sink so many hours into this game it’s not funny. So far, I’ve done only 3 story missions. Then I rode around and explored.
        At one point, a random man rode up to me on his horse, yelling for help. Some people were about to unlawfully hang his buddy, who he claimed hadn’t done anything wrong. So I followed him, and when we got to the destination, three or four people started shooting at us, while another man was sitting astride a horse with a noose around his neck. Unfortunately, I spooked his horse, causing him to hang from the tree, and in dealing with the enemy gunmen, I neglected to shoot the rope to save the man. Afterwards, the hanged man’s buddy fell to the floor weeping, whereupon I proceeded to loot the corpses of all involved. Including shooting down the hanged man and looting his corpse.

        And that’s just one encounter.
        RDR is so awesome…

  • So, I’m probably out of a job at the end of next week (I doubt anyone will remember/have noticed who I work for) and given the current state of the games industry I’m thinking of moving out of it for now. I’d love to change to somewhere I can learn some C++ graphics stuff (use of shaders, terrain generation etc would be awesome). I’m thinking of looking for businesses that do the sort of work I’m interested in and checking their websites for jobs. I’m thinking I’ll have better luck hunting that way than looking through Seek etc. Any suggestions for businesses to look up in Melbourne &/or it’s SE suburbs?

  • So I’m playing Alan Wake…

    As David suggested I’m playing it late at night in a dark room in a quiet house.

    Oh. my. sweet. ever-loving. jesusonapogostick.

    It’s just about perfect.

    I’m limiting myself to an episode a night.

    it’s tense, it’s frightening, it’s atmospheric… it’s awesome. I’m stressing over bullets and batteries, and that whole thing with Barry’s Hitchcockian birds had me nearly in a panic attack.

    The character textures are a bit bluh, but the bad guys, the way they coalesce out of the night… that looks so good.

    The episodes are an awesome way to limit time, and the soundtrack is excellent.

    I’m really enjoying this.

    • Indeed. I am loving the atmosphere set in Alan Wake, and I’m finding it hard to swap back to Red Dead. The birds part was rather freaky.

      I lol’d hard though, when you leave Barry in the house at the beginning of your trek to Lovers’ Peak – if you turn out the lights on him, he’ll complain and says something like ‘So, you’re just gonna leave me to sit in the dark? I’ll get eaten by a grue.’ Funny little reference.

      I think that Alan Wake is one of the few games that would make a good transition to either movies or TV. Probably TV, due to the episodic nature of the game, but I could equally see an awesome movie come out of this.
      Perhaps even a book.

  • Google’s main page is celebrating the 30th anniversary of PAC-MAN today. And the Google logo has accordingly been changed to a playable PAC-MAN level ^_^

    • HOLY CRAP!!!
      That was the awesomest google logo ever!! What made it so brilliant is they actually went as far to let you play it!


  • Hey guys!!! i’m alive!!! 😀

    First to dispell a couple of rumors.

    1. I did not ship off with David – although i did try to stow away in his baggage. The odd thing is i was only removed when they thought that i was 67kgs of uncut cocain. Go figure.

    2. I was not kidnapped. No matter how hard i try, no matter how many dark alleys i walk down – no one ever kidnaps me. Talk about a blow to my self esteem.

    Truth is that we had our first ever direct-from-the-factory-direct-to-the-public sale. So i’ve been spending most of my week preparing for that, then all of yesterday and today actually attending it and being on hand to help people out. Last night i actually just went straight to bed after walking in the door – it’s very rare i do such a thing.
    I have been absolutely exhausted, yet overall it has been a good yet stressful week.

    I’m realllly sorry i haven’t been around guys – i had no idea being MIA for a few days would cause people to miss me – i’ll try not to do it again haha

    Tomorrow i’ll be running around all day for birthday things. Seeing as it’s on monday i’ll be doing the ‘go see my family thing’ followed by the ‘my partners family thing’ followed by ‘falling asleep in the car on the way home thing’… oh Bianca will be driving though.. 😛

    SHould be a good time though.. gah can’t believe i’m almost a quarter of a century old (i like saying it like that), i mean i don’t like growing up… it’s so lame. haha

    After this weekend i should be back into full swing.

    Thanks for the concern though guys, and don’t worry q-bo i’m not running off with anyone. 😛

    PS.. just put David Spade out of his misery already. It’s cruel to let something with that little talent go on living.

    • *SLAP* Thats for making me worry

      *ehuggles* Thats cause I’m glad your alive :p

      Happy Birthday for Monday my dear chum, do me a favour and take a look at the animation I posted just under my worried about you postings. No one commented on it, which has really disapointed me. Here’s the link again. It is just awesome to believe one guy animated it all by himself. Its my bday gift to you, as I’m broke. When games raytrace like this in real time, I’ll be a happy man.

      Things have been rather quiet since you’ve been gone. I think Kotaku needs a comments approvalist (*puts up his hand) to keep things moving along when Davids not about.

      p.s. The Spade is to be played with like a cat plays with a mouse before the inevitable crunch. Seems cruel, but cats eat cheezeburgers, so we must take a lead from them. I think he will make a nice vest.

      • A vest??? o.O

        And yes, more frequent comment approvals would be appreciated.

        I’ll watch that video when I’m not in my Ubuntu boot…

  • Bioshock 2 second DLC, Zigo & Blanche pack and the Kill ’em Kindly Multiplayer mode to be released Tuesday.

    (I posted this under #tips in the US Kotaku)

    Offnote, way back, I pre-ordered BS2, and I got the Zigo/Blance unlock code when I picked it up. I still haven’t redeemed it, since I was thinking of upgrading my HDD. Wasn’t sure what method to do, but could’ve just added the new one, made it the C drive and have the older one the secondary drive. I was thinking with that method, I’d still keep my installed games (currently Borderlands and Bioshock 2) and have them still registered to my computer, but I’m still not entirely sure.

    Also, would the unlock code become invalid under any circumstances of me not using it?

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