Sony Hacker 'Geohot' Wants You To Pay His Legal Bills

In gaming circles, George 'Geohot' Hotz is a bit of a celebrity, being one of the first to hack, and then release an exploit, for the PS3. Sony responded, as you'd expect, by suing the little scamp. In the process Geohot has already racked up $10,000 in legal expense, and that figure looks set to continue rising. Now, he's asking for the gaming community's help to pay for his spiralling legal fees.

On the front page of his website he's just posted the following...

Media, I need your help. This is the first time I have ever asked. Please, if you support this cause, help me out and spread the word.

I want, by the time this goes to trial, to have Sony facing some of the hardest hitting lawyers in the business. Together, we can help fix the system

And then later:

I am an advocate against mass piracy, do not distribute anyone's copyrighted work but my own, do not take crap lying down, and am even pro DRM in a sense. For example, I believe Apple has every right to lock down their iPhone in the factory as much as they want, but once it's paid for and mine, I have the right to unlock it, smash it, jailbreak it, look at it, and hack on it. Fortunately, the courts agree with me on this point.

My PS3 goal has been to provide users a legitimate path to homebrew, which by the standards of all previous cases (or, in reverse), is 100% legal. Sony does not even try to allege piracy or copyright infringement in this case, they allege I did things like play "super mario world, an unauthorized game" on MY PS3. And access MY PS3 in an unauthorized way. Who are they to authorize what I do with my taxed and paid for property?

fail0verflow's goal was even nobler than mine. They wanted to give you back a feature Sony illegally stole, Linux on your PS3. It's shameful on Sony's part that they are being sued at all. If you have a problem with pirates, sue them, don't sue people who point out your shortcomings.

It's an interesting debate, and we recommend heading over to his site to see his side of the story. This case and its outcome may change the way gamers are allowed to tinker with the consoles they own - what are your views on the situation?


Comments

    The iphone case sets the precedent he needs. He will win and win easily should he actually be able to fund the case.

    The iphone jailbreak also opens that system to piracy, an unwanted side effect of course but the fact the courts ruled jailbreaking an iphone is illegal, sony has no case imo.

    Sony is showing just how much its lost its head with this case as well. Tryign to subpoena everyone on twitter and youtube who has seen/talked about the hack videos.

    Clearly they are acting before thinking in many ways on this case. They need to be seen to be doing something for the third party partners, but they will lose.

    If they weren't or they had a strong case, how come Microsoft never sued the 360 hackers and just dealt with it via Live bans? because they know the courts side with the users.

      The DMCA exception granted to cellphones was to prevent them from being locked to a single carrier, i.e. by jailbreaking a phone, you restore interoperability.

      This isn't the case with the PS3 and it's definitely not a cut-and-dried case like you're making out.

      "(2) Computer programs that enable wireless telephone handsets to execute software applications, where circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of enabling interoperability of such applications, when they have been lawfully obtained, with computer programs on the telephone handset.

      (3) Computer programs, in the form of firmware or software, that enable used wireless telephone handsets to connect to a wireless telecommunications network, when circumvention is initiated by the owner of the copy of the computer program solely in order to connect to a wireless telecommunications network and access to the network is authorized by the operator of the network."

      No mention of gaming consoles in the exception, ergo it's still illegal under the DMCA to circumvent the TPM of gaming consoles.

        The point in common is that the manufacturers are using the technological protection measure to protect against both illegal and legal actions on the part of the user.

        In the case of phones, the US copyright office decided that the blocked legal uses were reason enough to exempt them from the anti-circumvention provisions of the DMCA.

        If this case makes its way to court, the defence will likely claim that there are similar legal uses blocked by the PS3 protection measures, and that their circumvention is no different to that on phones, so shouldn't be treated differently.

        Cases like this can be as much about making law as upholding it.

        Except, it isn't called the Sony Playstation 3 Video Game Console, it's called the Sony Playstation 3 Computer Entertainment System. It's classified as a computer, not a "video game console".

          Which boosts his case

          name another COMPUTER that prevents you from installing what you want? even a mac doesn't do that.

            On the basest of levels one can point his defense to the fact that Sony has always upheld this is not a games console but an 'entertainment hub', or a 'super computer' as such.

            Honestly, I don't see Sony winning this.

            it's got nothing to do with whether its a computer or not.

            if some kid stuck there head out and said oh look i've hacked Windows to the point where anything can be done on it( Ie pirate copies no security) he'd get his ass sued this is no different.

            He has every right to hack "His" console

            He has No right to Provide everyone else with a simple way to do it and then ask for what is essentially payment when he gets sued

      LOL you have no idea what you are talking about.

      This has nothing to do with IOS jailbreak. What the hell.

    So basically, you single handedly get Linux kicked off the PS3, then rip open the OFW, unleashing the floodgates to all sorts of hackers ruining peoples games, and have the balls to ask for us to cough up for your legal bills? Whilst I don't exactly agree with what Sony's doing, nor do I agree with the way that the entire system's security was torn to shreds, I'm just going to do what I do best:

    Sit in a corner, not give a crap about Pirates, Hackers or Sony and continue to play my games, watch my movies, and be on my merry way.

      The entire systems security was torn to shreds when Sony used the SAME KEY for every console. It's like demanding a password but choosing it to be "a".

        Well not exactly, it was a very well protected and monster of a 'password', the PS3 remained unhacked for longer than any other system.

          The main reason it remained unhacked for so long is that previously, most people doing homebrew stuff had all the access they needed through 'OtherOS', but when Sony took that away, they decided to do something about it.

          The best guys in the homebrew scene are so much more talented and driven than the people hacking for piracy or cheating, which is why the PS3 wasn't broken earlier.

      Actually, the main reason that Linux was kicked off the PS3 was that companies were buying PS3's to use as servers, IE, the US Military. This was bad for sony, as all PS3's are sold at a loss and they make their profits on software. If a unit is used soley for linux, there is no software sales and thus no profit.

      Please do a little bit of research, this guy is just trying to bring power to the homebrewers after sony screwed them over, i would support him.

        Derp.. "Please do a little bit of research".. perhaps you should try checking your facts before talking out your ass..

        PS3 hardware has been profitable for over 6mths - http://gamepolitics.com/2010/06/29/sony-finally-making-profit-ps3-hardware

        Other OS was removed after Sony was making a profit off of the hardware.. but cool story all the same..

    While I have installed CFW on my PSP, I do believe that despite what George's intentions are in openign up the PS3 system - it will, with no doubt, promote piracy.

    Case in point - Once the PS3 was hacked - torrent sites that release games started to relase games for the PS3. Co-incidence? I think not.

    And Geohot is right in that he owns the PS3, however, he doesn't own the PS3 software. It's like buying a computer and having windows installed on the computer already. Do you own the OS? Nope. .. you simply own the RIGHT to use the software.

    Same principal with the PS3 and the OS that it uses.

      Don't forget that Geohot basically took failoverflow's worked for his own means to get all the credit for publishing the private key (which failoverflow never intended to do) and basically opened this entire goddamn Pandora's box, then runs off to Youtube to make some smack-talk video telling Sony to COME AT ME BRO and now he's broken down and begging for donations. He's a bloody twit.

        This was meant to be a reply to Notorious but I skrood up (much like geohot?)

        This man speaks the truth. At the end of the day, what he is doing supports the pirates. It's not a 'side effect', it's piracy. If you want to develop games/apps for the PS3, get the dev kit off Sony. Do it the right way, not the 'hey, I'm smart enough to break the key's' way.

      I don't think he claims to own the PS3 OS. When you get windows on your computer you are well within your rights to dual boot another OS, and it's not like Windows restricts the applications you can run on it other than giving you a minor warning.

      In fact you can pretty much do anything you want to the bits on your hard drive as long as you're okay with the fact that you might lose everything.

        I agree with you in that they are able to change bits and pieces on the things on your hard-drive.

        But the intellectual property that you are using - you generally don't have a right to do so.

        The main difference thoguh, is that Geohots released the Key that allows other people to hack their PS3 - Sony's core IP.

        If something similar to MS happened, I assure you that they wouldn't be too happy..

        sure you are david but your not allowed to go and crack windows and hen distribute it are you.

        and now hes essentially asking to be paid for the fact that he released it which is even worse.

        Sure it's not a pay here crack here type deal but he should have to fight his fight on his own as he started it and he's dragged failoverflow into it because he had to go and release the Root key something they were against because it would lead to piracy

      This is my main issue with this case. I'm all for jailbreaking a console for homebrew and original features, but really.. just how many people who hacked their PS3 are part of the homebrew community? I'd put it at <10%.

      By far the most common reason people did this was to pirate games. But apparently as long as you can use the homebrew excuse and maintain plausible deniability then it's all good. Screw that.

    Give me a break, he knew that releasing what he did would lead to mass piracy and online cheating, which effs it up for all of us.

    He could have kept working quietly and not revelling in his fame, until he had a hack that just re-enabled linux if that was his actual beef.

    I do think that companies shouldn't be allowed to dictate what you want to do with your console once you purchase it, but can't agree with his tactics at all.

      I'm pretty sure everyone who agrees to the Sony EULA when purchasing and booting their console agrees to their terms.

      After all, owning a PS3 is a privilege and a choice. If you don't want to abide by them, it's very easy to simply vote with your wallet.

    Hacking your own system is alright, but give keys to others to crack their own system is not.

    Nope, he brought this upon himself. He provoked Sony with his activities and needs to face up to it.

    It's also funny that from his desperate statement, he totally turned around from his failed rap insult towards Sony, claiming he is the personification of freedom of all.

    While I dispute Sony's oppressive movement against legitimate modification, geohot deserves to incur their wrath from his bragging.

    Also, EULA's are enforceable. If I read ANY comments saying it's not, I will refute it with the hundreds of court cases and provisions which state they are. Stop deluding yourself when you claim theyre not, they're enforceable hence why every single software use them.

      EULAs are not enforceable.

        Oh no you didn't!

      EULA's are only enforceable in areas where they do not convene state laws. Sure you can pull cases where they were enforced. You'll also find cases where they were found to violate the rights of citizens and were struck down. If you group cases by geography you'll see a very strong correlation.

    It will be interesting to see how this pans out, especially given the grumblings over here about the 3DS region locking.

    I would happily contribute to Sony's legal costs.

    This moron is responsible for screwing over thousands of peoples enjoyment.

    I think he really needs to understand that his actions can have massive consequences he simply did not fully think through.

    If you want to do cool stuff on your PS3, fine. However if you want to use this hack to rip off publishers and screw over gamers with your cheats.
    You can go to hell, you can go to hell and die!
    Beefcake, BEEFCAKE!!!!!

    Don't tell me his rap career (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iUvuaChDEg) isn't raking in the money

    Not that i am disagreeing with you lot to an extent but how many of you would NOT region break the 3DS with a hack?

    because guess what guys, this is the same thing somewhat.

    yes the ps3 is region free and thats awesome but a major reason for these hacks generally (not ps3) is to unregionalise the system.

    so for you to be against this, you have to be against unregionalising the 3DS...

      Hang on so this is just like region free hacking a 3ds except that its not anything like it but we should support it as if it were?

      Region locking is an artificial market separation that seems to exist for the sole reason of letting companies charge a different amount in different territories. Since the PS3 hasnt GOT region locking, unlocking isn't a factor, how is hacking a PS3 even remotely the same?

      But In this case thats not a defense at all. Breaking region free play is a legitimate reason if one was to play imported copies.

      and as mark wrote in his article the other day the law now states that in the process of making it region free you can't bypass the measure that keep the console secure from piracy.

      Which means the only way an R4 Card could legitimatly work with the 3DS is if it was like the old CC cartridges on the NES in that the Card works as a bridging device between the 3DS and the Other Region Game. Where as the R4 Cards required a ripped "Backup" Copy of said region locked games. so it is still piracy just it was protected by a loophole

        you guys need to think beyond ps3 here. This can set a MAJOR legal precedent if he loses.

        It means that people cannot hack systems that companies sell. That means even hacking them just for the purpose of unregionalising the system.

        Sony is not going after him because of the pirates, they are going after him because he compromised the system, which yes led to piracy but to say he is now responsible for all piracy on the ps3 is ridiculous.

        That's like saying oh well i guess someone cracked the system so now i have to pirate. Geohot doesn't pirate games, gamers pirate games just like guns don't kill people, people kill people. Guns just happen to assist in some ways.

        You think for yourself. By saying Geohot is responsible for all the piracy in the world on ps3 is absurd, thats saying people can't think for themselves.

        I am not a pirate, far from it, but i am worried about the precedent this case can set especially when it comes to LEGALLY hacking a console for LEGAL uses such as removing a region code.

          Except it's not. Sony's going after him because his irresponsible actions has created an opportunity to pirate games.

          Even Apple, which is infamous for locking its ecosystem down to protect its bottom line has eased up on jailbreaking recently, precisely because they realised that for the most part, it's fairly harmless.

          It's a matter of money, not some Sony ideological crusade to screw over some kid for no reason, or to set an example. It's money.

        What if the system that prevented you from playing out-of-region games was the same as the one that prevented you playing pirated games? Would that mean that consumers should be forbidden from exercising their right to play games they bought overseas?

        What if the manufacturer was found to have intentionally intertwined those two features in order to limit their customer's freedoms?

          to both you and choc

          http://www.kotaku.com.au/2011/02/mods-vs-lockers-region-coding-and-the-legal-dilemma/

          Mark wrote that the other day and as he points out

          it essentially is under the law that it is legal to de-regionalise the console provided that in the process you do not circumvent the piracy protection

          now these days there intertwined so it's virtually impossible to do so.

          But the law was changed in the distinct purpose of killing the precedent set with the R4 cards of being able to allow region free while aiding in piracy.

          Everything should be region free but i'm willing to bet alot of australias region locking comes down to the fact that due to australian law we must have a custom storefront as everything there needs to be rated

    Although his motives may be slightly questionable, the fact of the matter remains he has done the same thing again and again. Apple left him alone yet Sony come at him for "playing an unauthorized game" and "accessing his PS3 in an unauthorized way"... come on, that's like Dell suing you for putting Linux on your PC and playing an emulator on it.

    Piracy is a growing concern for everyone who is trying to make money from development. Target the pirates who upload to torrent sites if you want to go after someone.

      C'mon though, the analogy isn't completely fair. He didn't just use some workaround to jailbreak the PS3, he published the private key. It's Sony's secret recipe.

        When I think secret recipe. I think KFC. Now I want KFC for lunch.

          and this brings up an excellent comparison

          Many US and Australian newspapers published what is widely believed to be the coca cola recipie last week.

          The secret key to the drink.......

          so why is coke not going bananas suing people?

            That's exactly what I was thinking about. My impression was that the recipe was false (or may have been true back when the recipe was first mentioned in the '70s, I think it was), or undertaking legal action affirm its. There's always going to be an air of doubt about something like that, where any result will be subjective - whereas the private key was easily confirmed, duplicated and has resulted in CFW that is facilitating piracy. If it was as easy to bootleg soda as it is to download a few files and install them on your PS3 using Sony's own firmware updating tool, Coca-Cola might have been a little more outraged. :P

            Probably because the whole premise of the article was debunked by Snopes years ago.

            Because no one can own the rights to a recipe - this is why Coke (and KFC for that matter) always have an ingredient that is unique (think the 11 secret herbs and spices). The ingredients can be unique (and protected), but the recipe itself is not.

          Dammit Mark! Now I want KFC, too.

            True story - remember that time we were all talking about how awesome Grilled was? A week later I got send an envelope with two vouchers for free burgers at Grilled.

            What the hell. I felt like Kim Kardashian. Haven't used them yet...

              That's because I game and work at Grill'd Mr Serrels, it's how I roll.

              I think I might have some spare KFC coupons in the car... :P

    I've decided I want to store my collection of loaded firearms on my front lawn. The police say I shouldn't, but I'm still gonna.

    Later...

    Well, turns out a whole bunch of people 'borrowed' my guns and used them to commit crimes, and now the police are all over me. You should all give me money for my legal fees, cos despite all the trouble I caused, I have a right to store my guns on my lawn, dammit!

    He can try to guise what he has done and attempt to justify it all he likes, the fact of it is, he has opened it up to cheats and piracy. Does anybody else see the hilarity in appealing to this particular community to pay for his legal fees?

      I'll save my cash for buying PS3 games, LOL

    we had the facebook movie... this is next

    While I won't disagree that this guy is a bit of a douchebag we have to be careful of the precedents that this case will set. By breaking open the hardware has broken the EULA of the software and if so he's screwed and we'll see hardware manufactures using it as a loophole to lock their hardware up further - effectively killing homebrew.

    It kills piracy too but could you imagine this sort of security on Kinect?

      difference is that kinect doesn't enable piracy.

      and if the 360 was tied down to prevent homebrew

      first you have there XNA section

      and then you would just have people hooking it into computers instead

    Meh, dudes getting what he deserves in my opinion. Granted I'm not very knowledgable on the subject :)

    This kid needs a Massive smack in the head. Not for hacking anything but purely for being such a self righteous dick.
    I wish this dude would just STFU about himself.

    If not for all the trouble he's caused. There should be some retribution for that god awful rap he released on Youtube.

    Wow, haters are out in force...
    I hope Geohot kicks Sony's ass, and so should all of you.
    It doesn't matter what you think of the guy, what matters is that Sony advertised the other OS as a feature, hobbled it from day one (no access to the video controller) then forced the users to decide if they wanted to keep linux or play new games and connect to the PSN.

    If sony win this would set a BIG precedent for everyone else to do similar and kill homebrew, it may even help end the jailbreaking mobiles exemption they have in the US.
    As for the laws over-here we cannot chip systems to get around region locking unless thats ALL it does, if it can be used for piracy then it's illegal. You have the US free trade agreement to thank for that (no doubt essentially drafted by the entertainment industry)... the problem is once this law existed they deliberately made the region locking and DRM the same part, so it is difficult (or impossible) to break one without the other, and therefore illegal to unlock the region.

    Regarding most of the comments on this page - I find it amazing that so many people want to live in a (corporate) totalitarian regime.

    "Tell me what I can do, tell me what I cannot do; but please do not let me think or do things for myself."

    The legal part of this discussion is all from laws lobbied from corporations; none of which are for the public (or consumers') good.

      Except I'm a consumer AND a member of the "community", and I do find preventing people pirating games or ruining online play by running hacked software good for me.

        I find it amazing that we need someone to protect us from cheating; it has happened since whenever and we used to be able to deal with it and move on. Now we will condone oppressive laws to help us cope.

        Pirating has never ended any industry as far as I'm aware (although it is often used as it's scapegoat), it has conversely helped a few, like Microsoft, reach a ubiquitous state entailing lock-in. Since games were first on computers, piracy has been rife - yet the industry still manages to be here.

        It would be nice if people starting thinking for themselves instead of repeating, and propogating, corporate mantra.

          I find it sad that you seem to equate "thinking for themselves" with "agreeing with Roddy McNeill".

            Oh dear - didn't take long to become personal...

              Not personal at all. Just making the point that it's quite possible for people to think for themselves and come to a different conclusion than the one you came to.

              the difference here is that the reason they wanted it back was for the Other OS feature

              that was reimplemented before GEOhot decided to release the rootkey because he wanted credit.

              They restored the feature but he had to take it further and that is in my opinion, where he lost all credit

              and you talk about piracy never killing an industry it doesn't but it sure as hell hurts them. Theres a reason we get a new COD every year instead of something different and thats purely because Cod hits enough people that even if it was pirated they would make a S#$% tin of money

              But then you have something like Beyond good and evil which piracy could kill.

              And PC gets half the releases these days and many are delayed as well so they can try and convert them to a Console Purchase and then come with totalitarian DRM because of it.

              the only advantage to him winning would be that piracy would then be just as easy on any of the consoles as it is the PC and we might start to see more equality across all platforms

              GOD DAMMIT BRAAAINS THINK FOR YOURSELF AND REPEAT WHAT I SAY!!!!

            I find you handle vaguely ironic....
            By your stance here I would expect you are against the R4 chips, CFW for the PSP and Wii, any type of mod chip, DVD de-regioning codes, DVD burners, CD burners, MP3, any software that would allow CD or DVD ripping, Tape recorders, and the photocopier, as any of these can be used for piracy. Of course they also have legitimate uses, but you fully aggree with the FUD big content shovel and think it should all be banned, right?

          Supporting Homebrew is one thing. Single-handedly enabling users worldwide to play pirated games is quite another.

          People these days, geeks in particular, often have a remarkable sense of entitlement about this sort of thing. You buy the console on the proviso that you play by Sony's rules. If you don't want to, don't buy the console. Making out like you're some kind of gallant freedom fighter, bravely taking on the villainous suits at Sony just makes you look like a child.

          Criminals haven't ended society in general either but that doesn't mean that they are OK or contribute anything to said society.

          Gaming these days is largely built on an online community and from my experience the online PS3 "community" is rife with cheaters since Geohots little public service and they are ruining the experience for everyone else.

          You can call be a corporate shill for saying this but IMO a lot of it can be laid at his feet. Sure, he might not be the criminal... he just handed the prison keys out to all the cons and then proclaimed its not his fault they broke out.

          "Pirating has never ended any industry as far as I’m aware (although it is often used as it’s scapegoat)"

          Oh God it just keeps coming.

          http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2011/02/500x_deathofmusicindustry.jpg

          Pirating cannot outright kill an industry (for obvious reasons) but it can easily bleed one dry. It's happening right now with games. The current market has changed to a handful of critic-proof blockbuster franchises like CoD that will make a billion dollars, while smaller titles will become increasingly marginalised.

          The PSP's now essentially a dead platform outside of Japan due to piracy, developers are now focusing on consoles before PCs because of piracy, Nintendo's recent stricter policies are a result of rampant R4 DS piracy.

          Yeah, IT LOOKS LIKE PIRACY'S JUST A SCAPEGOAT EH BOYS?

      This is impossibly naive. This isn't even analogous to a 'totalitarian regime.' Sony's not forcing people to buy their console, the PS3 is a choice and by buying it and agreeing to their EULA, you agree to follow their rules.

      You don't have to be pro-1984 to disagree with him. It's not a black/white case of The Man vs the people. For every case like this, there are consequences. He irresponsibly allowed people to pirate games and is now claiming plausible deniability.

      But what about the studios and developers gutted via piracy every quarter that he (indirectlY) contributed to? He's an irresponsible kid who didn't think of these consequences, is in way over his head and is making himself out to be the Julian Assange of gaming.

      I do take issue with you stating that anyone who disagrees with Geohotz is pro-totalitarian/corporate regime. I'm as liberal and supportive of individual/consumer rights as anyone else. I shun Apple's ecosystem precisely because of its walled garden, promote cottage industries and would be the first to speak out against anti-competition etc. But even I recognise that at the end of the day, developers need to be paid just like everyone else. You can't just naively open the floodgates and merely hope that people won't abuse it.

    *Quietly chuckles to himself as he sees this article juxtaposed with advertisements for the PS3 and PSN*

    I wonder if kotaku has any vested interests in this story... :P

    this seems pretty apt to this chat

    http://www.destructoid.com/the-jimquisition-pirates-admit-you-re-f-cking-thieves-193721.phtml

    I really think people need to take a step backwards from this and think for a while. If we were to introduce forcible restrictions onto every technology or device that could potentially be used to commit a crime, despite the other legal uses that device could be put, we would live in a really ass-backward place.

    Cars can be used to kill people or to assist in bank robberies. Should we therefore ban all cars on the roads?

    All technologies/devices have positive and negative uses. There is no inherent right or wrong to the device, all of it is a culturally produced ethical decision. The problem here is that we are letting a corporation decide our ethics for us, and corporations are sociopathic. They want to destroy their peers and essentially use us to gather funds, like farm animals. Of course, we all benefit greatly from the consumer society we live in, so its not like I'm a hippie on the lawn trying to bring down the man, however there must be a force resisting the utterly single-minded drive of the corporation. Without it, we get the kind of monstrous disasters that range from the Wall Street crash that caused the GFC through to individual torrent users being sued/billed for millions of dollars.

    Allowing corporations rewrite our human rights with their EULAs is simply not acceptable. They do not have our best interests in mind. Again I'm not saying we should abolish private property or IP rights, but we also shouldn't abolish the people's right to challenge what they're being told is 'ethically right' and therefore law.

      "Cars can be used to kill people or to assist in bank robberies. Should we therefore ban all cars on the roads?"

      What a silly statement. Nobody is advocating removing consoles from store shelves, just preventing people from modifying them in ways that will spoil other peoples' right to use and enjoy them in the way they were intended. And you know what? We do exactly the same thing with cars - there are modifications to cars that are illegal because they pose a potential threat to their drivers, passengers or other road users.

      "Allowing corporations rewrite our human rights with their EULAs is simply not acceptable"

      I have to admit that it's been a while since I read the relevant UN charters, but I'm pretty sure there's no declaration of universal human rights that specifies a right to run homebrew on consoles.

        It would not take that great a stretch to imagine Sony employing a person, perhaps a few dollars a day, to sit down, and post negative comments alluding that the hacker is at fault, and that this one person is responsible for all the cracks currently in circulation.

        I just purchased a loaf of bread; if Sony win the case, there is precedent for the shopkeeper to charge me for eating it with ham and cheese assuming said shopkeeper is a vengeful, lactose intolerant vegan.

        Yeah, I'm sorry but you are off the mark here, but most 'dangerous modifications!' you see on today tonight etc are an absolute crock, sure some stuff really is dangerous, but a lot isn't so much. What those shows and the cops take part in is victimization, when what they should be doing is stopping drink driving, and making sure all the 14 million 1973 corollas have had brakes and tires changed within the last 30 years, which is a lot more dangerous.

        Adam is on the money, hey the internet can be used for piracy, lets get rid of that too!

          So cops who pledge to protect society are the bad guys, and people who apply unlawful modifications to their vehicles are the victims. Classic.

          Back on topic.
          I have a question, when OtherOS was still around, what was geohotz motivation for cracking it?

          I mean, it was geohotz who forced sony's hand into removing the OtherOS feature; shouldn't we homebrew advocates be angry at him? I mean, what couldn't you do with Linux. What was his motivations for hacking a great feature and then having the nerve to release it. I'm hard pressed to think of reasons apart from being a dick or supporting piracy.

            He wasn't really (as I understood it)... there was a big push on, because even after advertising the Other-OS feature, Sony hamstrung it by using the hypervisor to prevent access to the graphics accelerator, to enable 3D acceleration and Sony didn’t like it. It ~may~ have led to piracy, but more likely it would just have led to better use of the PS3 as a computer. Sony were losing money on the PS3 hardware and wanted to sell games to make a profit, if people started to play homebrew and linux games instead of buying PS3 software Sony would continue to lose money, so they pulled the feature. (Sony's reasoning is just my best guess… it could just have been Sony being dicks.)

    Sony ripped Linux support off so it's a console

      The United States Airforce uses the Playstation 3 in an array configuration as a super-computer.

      Computer: 1
      Console: 0

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