Tell Us Dammit

Tell Us Dammit

Tell Us DammitDammit, we want you to tell us stuff – like how do you feel about R18+ at this stage? Have you given up hope? Happy to keep trying to import? Is it still an issue you feel strongly about?

This isn’t some marketing survey or whatever. It’s an emotional investment in you. Yes, we’re interested in knowing you, Kotaku reader person. You probably know enough about us – more than you even want to, we’re sure. But, hey, we’d like to know about you, too.

Personally, I feel like the wind has been knocked out of my sails a little, and it has sort of shook my faith in political process. The fact that now, despite the overwhelming public support, despite the fact that the Federal government supports it, we’re still waiting, messing around with t. At the SCAG meeting in December the issue seemed to have an incredible tidal wave of support, I remember watching it build and truly believing we would have a result.

Now it feels like a whimper. Like people are over it – done caring. I’m keen to hear your thoughts.


  • Over it.
    Done caring.

    As i have said before, its a constant reminder at how retarded our own government is.

  • Yeah I’ve almost given up hope, as it just seems to be going in circles. Lost track of the amount of surveys and crap that I’ve filled in for R18! No problems importing though, you get the games you want, at the right price, so no complaints there 🙂 just annoying to see it constantly delayed

  • The SCAG should just get on with it.

    The whole debate is completely ridiculous. Those opposing the rating have been clutching at straws for so long, have been debunked so many times I just can’t understand why they’re given a seat at the table. Yet there they are, saying the same tired bullshit and still being listened to.

    It doesn’t help that the way the SCAG operates makes it impossible to quickly enact change, or that after a decade of this madness there is still someone who says they don’t want to rush things.

  • Not over it. Will still support it and still care.

    As soon as we stop caring, the other side has won and I won’t let minority groups like the ACL win. Letting them win sets a dangerous precedent. Religion does NOT belong in politics.

  • I think its ridiculous the pollies pandering to special interest groups think they can tell us they aren’t doing just that because they technically haven’t rejected any R18+ proprosal but rather keep delaying the decision indefinately. Shame on all the cowards involved.

  • I think we’re likely to see a pricing reform on Steam before we see an R18 rating anytime soon.

    Sorry Mark, I don’t even read your R18 articles anymore, wake me when there’s a date set either for it’s implementation, or the amount of time the discussion has been delayed again.

  • I think so many of us are exhausted on the whole thing. Which I still think was some peoples hidden agendas so they could cull the issue entirely.

    But rest assured, it will only take one game to be RC’d for us to vibrate back into a fury of angry berserkers (Saints Row 3…)

  • I’m no longer caring.

    I’ll continue to import or if it’s a PC game then I’ll just get a uncut version cd key (just like L4D2). That way I get the game I want for up to 70% less than what it’d cost me to buy locally if it were available.

  • It is ridiculous. I too feel like I’m also over it. Piracy and importing feel like the dishonest answer to an honestly stupid situation harming an industry I love but leaving me feeling like I have no choice.

    When you have the masses screaming for it and the very, minorly few holding the power, where’s the true democracy? Where? The AG’s are not there to serve as they should be, they’re there to dictate. There’s a term for that kind of leadership…

    • Theres masses screaming for alot of things like the terrorists say death to America

      Things should never be changes just because of mass opinion they should be changed because it’s the right move

      Over reacting because of public outcry makes things worse not better

      The issue here is that the debate is over we won long ago there is no valid reason to not have it. But they are pandering to the chance that public opinion could swing against them

      • “Theres masses screaming for alot of things like the terrorists say death to America”

        Wtf? Huh?

        The relevance is the fact they asked peoples opinion on the matter, they said to us ‘What do you think?’ they put out a bloody paper on it. We responded with OVER 80 – 85% of the people in favour of it. Infact when surveyed in newspapers, they constantly get hits of over 90%. Seven Sunrise got a 90%+ result on their own survey, it’s CLEAR what the people want.

        I don’t understand your point for one. In this case, they asked, we responded, they scratched their head and said ‘But we wanted the OTHER result…’ and we said ‘But… you’re meant to be fair and impartial…’ and we now see where that got us. Nowhere.

  • I’m done, I don’t care anymore. They can bring in an R Rating in 200 years time when the moons align, or ban everything above a G rating, but I’ve given up on these people embracing logic. I’m bypassing the whole thing and importing more.

    By buying locally I feel like I’m endorsing a broken rating system, so I’ll throw my little hissy fit by sending my money overseas.

    I know this will make no noticable difference to the people responsible for our current predicament (and probably hurt local retail more than it hurts them), but what more can you do?

  • It’s the same old thing with government agencies. They aren’t interested in it, and will make it drag on through various quantities of bureaucracy till we tire of it.

    I, for one, am still very much for it and will continue to lobby for it’s inclusion.

  • Like most of us, I’m over it all. So much politics and crap that it’s just ridiculous now. But its still something I feel strongly about and support till the end. R18 makes sense.

  • I’m kind of over the whole reporting on it now, the endless This is why we shoudl have it, the ACL saying “blah blah blah”. I think it will but at the moment it’s the same thing over and over.

  • campaigning for #R18au is now a waste of time. Should campaign more widely, with other “stakeholders” for Federal takeover of classification so that uniform classification laws exist throughout the country, and are not beholden to yahoos from hicksville.

  • Considering it is only an in principle decision I feel if they can’t even do that then what chance do we have. Once the ALRC bring down their recommendations then we will have to wait until the next SCAG meeting where one of them will probably say “I need moar info” and around it will go again.

    I have been an active participant in this from day one and have lost count of the letters/emails/submissions I have sent (I’ve even sent them to the PM).

    I’m not giving up, but f*ck it’s frustrating!

  • ‘Scuse my french, but just give us the fucking rating. Is it so hard? Our politicians have proven time and time again that they are completely ignorant to the world outside Australia, so it’s not really surprising that in many regards we’re a laughing stock. While politicians continue to be fools, foolish things shall continue to happen. I wish we’d get the rating, but it will be caught up in the bureaucratic quagmire of politics for years.

  • As bad as it sounds, I pretty much don’t care anymore. This issue never really affected me in the first place (I don’t really play any games that would warrant an R18+ sticker anyway).

    I was only involved because the principle of having an R18+ sticker for everything else but video games is illogical.

    • I’m like you, I have no interest in playing the games that are RC and probably never will but I am still passionate about the principle, about Games and Gamers being treated with the maturity they have earned and deserve.

  • I’m in for the duration, all the ups and downs included.
    While the latest statement is full of disappoint, there’s still a slight chance a decision will be made.
    If not, it’s another six months. I just have to find some distractions to keep fromdirecting my rage into unproductive areas, like hate e-mails and other overly aggressive correspondence

  • Its exhausting, yes.
    But I don’t want to roll over and die.
    That’s what they want us to do. If we give up now, they win.
    They can take my R18+ but they can never take my freeeedddooommmmmm

  • The wheels of change turn slowly. We all at times feel frustrated by how long some of these things take. In the end MOST law ends up reflecting society (for better or worse). Just as Gay Marriage is an inevitability for Australia, an R18+ for video games is too. We just need to continue to have a voice.
    Apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.

    As an aside, I sometimes wonder whether our country is slowly creeeping toward a scary Orwellian future. One where we are increasingly censored and controlled. But that might just be the tin-foil-hat voice in my head?

  • Im over it
    Let the ACL think they have one and we will just import everything we want, win/win.

    The classification system is actually needed but the ACL broke it, well done ACL way to protect the children.

    • Though, that being said I still want Kotaku to write articles about the R18+ debates and articles about games that have been banned or modified. So I can stay up to date on the matter and also feel that moral outrage that we all secretly crave.

    • (caveat: i’m not a religion-hater) but fuck the ACL.

      If they see this as a “win”, they will advance onto their next goal, and then their next, and the next. See:

      These stoneage luddite happyclappers need to be kept locked away where they cannot harm society (whether christian, muslim, jewish etC). Whether the ACL or that fruitloop sharia dude on the Negus’s 6.30pm show the other night, they’re all a threat to a secular, democratic Australia.

  • Logic tells me that giving up hope is silly, but then again, what kind of logic is at play with the government?

  • The no R18+ rating has very little impact on me personally so I have lost interest.

    Left 4 Dead 2 has a trainer “Left 4 Uncut” which lets my mates and I play online and with unedited gore enabled. All played through Steam.

    That’s the only game I have really wanted to play.

    Australia is turning into a nanny state. It’s a joke.

  • (shameless copy-paste job from buried deep in TAY)

    So it looks like most of the news sites are covering the Attorney Generals meeting today, all of the news articles I’ve found seem to be primarily covering the topic of parental authority in regards to children’s facebook profiles. While I’m all for giving parents more power to protect their children (A child’s right to privacy should always come after a parent’s right to keep them safe) I fear that because the R rating discussion is being discussed at the same time that this could possibly have a flow on effect into the R18+ discussion. . .

    • Which news sites are covering the AG’s meeting?
      I’d like to keep uptodate with things while I’m at work.

    • Anybody else think it’s odd that the same people who reckon parent’s are capable of supervising their own kids use of Facebook seem to be the same people who think those parents aren’t capable of supervising their own kids videogame playing?

  • I want to see R+18 introduced for the selfish reason that I don’t want games banned here. But realistically I feel it wont really matter if it comes in because everyday I have disscusions with students as young as 4 about what they watch.Its really quite horrifying and depressing. Many parents are still not going to give a shit unfortunately even if we have a tougher rating system.

  • Way past caring. I import anyway because of prices, so even if the games weren’t banned/censored here, my first look would still be overseas…

  • It’s situations like this which makes me feel like the only way that these AG’s are going to actually get something done on the issue, is if they actually feel threatened. Either in their positions or on a personal level.

    I know what I’m saying is a terrible suggestion. It really is. As gamers fighting against the idea that violent games make us violent people, we shouldn’t even consider resorting to such a base and self destructive ideal.

    However, that doesn’t stop me wishing that something terrible would happen to these people. I’ve gotten so frustrated with this whole process that I just need to vent that frustration somewhere.
    If an Australian independant game publisher could make a game out of this situation, where possibly the player goes around beating up the AG’s who are standing in the way of the R18+, I’d have an outlet for these frustrations. Unfortunately, the only viable path I have, is writing emails, and contributing to the group effort that just seems to go nowhere. Which is even more frustrating, because I’m watching all this effort go nowhere.

    It makes me wonder if this is part of the AG’s agenda. To prove to the public that an R18+ rating shouldn’t be introduced, because one gamer out there takes it into their head to violently retaliate against their procrastination.

    And mark my words, if they keep doing so, it’s eventually going to happen.
    Frustration doesn’t just go away. It’s an abrasive and lasting emotion. The only way to ease away frustration is to remove the source of that frustration. Channeling frustration into other things is only a temporary solution.

    We’ve tried to channel our frustration through the proper channels of political process, but it hasn’t removed the problem.

    To my mind, it is inevitable that someone makes the mental link that it’s not our inaction or a problem with the political process – it is a problem with the people who are refusing to make the decision.
    I just hope that who ever takes the first step thinks twice about their actions and just spraypaints their cars or fences, instead of throwing a petrol bomb into a front yard.

  • With it being cheaper to import games from overseas, I would not blame a lot of Aussie gamers for just not giving a shit anymore.

  • This latest development has been the last straw for me.
    I’m importing from now on because I’m tired of giving my hopes up on these politicians to stop arguing and make a decision.

    This indecision and lack of understanding of games and the people that play them is pushing more and more Aussie consumers to buy their games online, and in the end it’ll be Aussie retailers that will suffer.

  • I have entirely no faith whatsoever in the Australian system of Government. Our state system is an utter joke, a relic of a previous system that exists only to perpetuate its own existence through generating pointless busywork and rustling papers when people look their way.

  • I just can’t understand that with all of the evidence pointing towards an 18+ classification why they can not introduce one. It’s pathetic

  • R18+ is a no brainer. Why can’t adults who are 28 years old not be allowed to access a game. When there are R18+ movie’s you can access. Why should it only be about children when the average gamer is in the 20’s. It’s just stupidity and needs to be stopped. Your telling me a 20 year old is too young to play a certain game because it is violent. That’s embarrassing

    • I agree with everything you say, but one major thing is in the way, the ACL, pandering to religious groups however ridiculous and outdated still gets votes.
      Oh and the average age of a gamer in 2008 in Australia was 30, and in the US as of 2010 the average age is 37, and the average age of a buyer is 41!

  • The fact that there is so much support for an R18+ rating vs the minority of people against it just shows how the minority always has the loudest voice. The rest of the world (except Germany) is ahead of us in what is such a basic and simple thing that should be solved immediately. Just do it already damn.

  • On a strictly personal basis, could not give less of a toss anymore. Importing 100% of my games.

    That said, every day the R18+ rating isn’t implemented does irreversible damage to the Australian video game industry. For that reason alone, this issue still makes me furious.

  • I will never give up. It’s not right that we don’t have an R18+ rating I just want to be treated as an adult.

    What right do they have to stop this from taking place when all the information needed has been given to them, and they have had so long to reach a conclusion?

    How can politicians still be so ignorant and dismissive of games? How many times am I going to her a politician say “I have been told this or that about X Game? What the hell are we paying you for? Can’t you even do some of your own research so at least you know what your saying is true?

    I get this image of a Magic 8 ball being shaken over and over by the attorney generals, each time the publics answer being yes to R18+ but its shaken again and again in some vain attempt to get the answer they want.

    Who is accountable? What are we paying you for? Australia is behind an R18+ rating we’re all just waiting on you now… for over ten years…

  • I certainly haven’t given up. I still think it’s inevitable given the weight of public opinion.

    I don’t think it’ll happen this week – I’m sure the classification review will give them the excuse they’re looking for to not make a decision. But once that’s done they’ll be running out of places to hide.

  • Still care. It’s a big step in getting the wider community in understanding just how mainstream and varied our hobby of computer/console gaming really is.

  • I’ve got Mortal Kombat, so it’s reassuring that for once Government incompetence doesn’t really affect me.

  • Was the issue of self censorship to reduce classification ever addressed?
    I just have this horrible feeling that games I want will get a R18 rating (Mass effect 3 sexytimes) and and then the publisher will resubmit without the offending content to get the M classification so they don’t miss out on the lucrative teenager segment.

  • I don’t even know how this still makes news, anyone hoping for an R18 rating any time this decade (more like this century) is just going to be disappointed yet again after the SCAG meeting. Who pays these AG fools?

  • It’s hard to keep up the enthusiasm in the face of incredible stonewalling and misinformation. But if we don’t, the terrorists win. (That was a joke, naturally. The anti-R18+ group are *not* terrorists.)

  • Gah.. can’t… breathe… work… suffocating!

    Worst thing about working for a VERY small company?

    I’m the only one here and i have to count an ENTIRE WAREHOUSE of stock… my god i have been going on this for like 2-3 weeks… kill me now!!

    • man i meant to post that in TAY.. not here.. God.. that’s worse that not finding the reply button..

      Personally i am just so over it.. i mean, in the end i can still import, i guess.. it just shits me to tears, though.

  • Seriously the whole thing is a gigantic load of shit and it really should just be decided by majority vote. Just because one or two AGs are ignorant and not capable of seeing the reasoning behind it all we can’t have a logical way of rating games in Australia, and I’ve just had it.

  • Well i see it this way, they want to change the classification system so badly? They know where to start.

  • I am very frustrated by it, but I’m not giving up!

    You can’t give up on things you care about. You need to get frustrated and annoyed. You need to get passionate about it, to tell people about it. Tell people how you feel like your not being heard by the government, chances are they feel the same way about something.

    It seems this is not a rational debate, so don’t be so rational, start speaking from the heart. Let people hear how tired you are of it.

    People are always surprised when I tell them Gamers for Croydon took 3.8% of the vote, which was about a 10% swing, on the issue of games classification alone. Get the word out there. Is it a bit crazy? Maybe, but it’s a far cry on the crazy employed by a government that seems blissfully unaware of what the people want.

  • I don’t think tomorrow will be any different to the last 10 years. More procrastination from an inept group of slackers.

    I apologise to the hard working public servants out there but it seems the same attitude is prevalent from the road crew all the way to the top.

    One guy is busily shovelling trying to get the job done (Thank you Mr O’Conner) while 8 guys lean on their shovels watching him just to make sure he doesn’t mess up the job.

  • I rekon that in true government style, this whole carbon tax announcement thing has been done purely to distract our attention away from these important issues such as R Rating for video games 🙂

    I’m not holding my breath that we’re going to see any real action on this issue for a while yet.

  • Another thing I am fed up with is the mis-reporting of this issue in other publications. The standard line of “if a game doesn’t meet MA15+ criteria then it is not allowed” which completely ignores the fact that uncensored R18+ games are already sold in this country with an inaccurate ratings sticker attached!

  • i wonder if civil disobedience would make for a effective campaign.

    gamers en masse importing the newest MK etc, and announcing the fact.

  • Way over it. It’s never going to happen now and I don’t care anymore. I always import games anyway.

    All this has done has re-enforced my desire to vote informal at every subsequent election we have.

  • This is pathetic, i want to backhand these incompetent fools, their selfish, paranoid and fragile minds are seemingly so common in sending this country backwards.

    I love this country, i really do, but our government is so plagued with these morons. It seems like another generation will pass before we make “any progress.”

    Apparently video games are so aggravating and horrid, that the the country will turn into a blood bathed slaughter fest over night.

    I’m a 23 year old Atheist who has been playing games for more than 10 years, yet, oddly enough. i haven’t gone on a killing spree. Shocking i know….

    So despite overwhelming evidence, favourable petitions and major opposition, and the right for us to DECIDE AS ADULTS what we want, we are denied by the paranoid, elderly who sit behind their desk, reading papers and reminiscing about their old ways….

    Awesome country, ruined by the incompetent, arrogant, and ignorant. I am not done in giving up this fight AND NEITHER SHOULD YOU VIEWERS!!

  • At this point I’m kind of over it all. You should just post articles with R18+ as the heading and your tick or facepalm graphic from now on. Details are getting irrelevant.

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