Bayonetta 2 Developers Don’t Want To “Alienate” You

Bayonetta 2 Developers Don’t Want To “Alienate” You

Action game Bayonetta 2, the sequel to…Bayonetta 1, is headed to the Wii U. It’s an exclusive! And Nintendo is publishing the game. This has made some “fans” pissed as hell. Others are happy. But what do the game’s developers have to say?

Platinum Games, the studio behind Bayonetta, released statements from staff as well as the studio’s honcho, Tatsuya Minami. He provides some explanation as to why Nintendo is publishing the game and does briefly mention the role of Sega, who published the first Bayonetta. Here’s Minami:

As game developers, we are incredibly excited to be able to announce a new title to all of our fans; however, we are aware that the announcement may have come as a shock to many of you.

As with Bayonetta, Bayonetta 2 is under development and production here at Platinum Games, and is a true sequel to the acclaimed first game in the series. Bayonetta is one of our most beloved titles, and it played a large part in establishing Platinum Games as an emerging game studio in the minds of users worldwide. Bayonetta has fans the world over, and we would never dream of alienating them from participating in the future of Platinum Games.

That being said, the console games market is in a state of upheaval, so establishing a new game franchise requires a considerable amount of will, determination, and love. Bayonetta is a brand that we want to see become stronger, reaching the hands of more and more gamers, so we have continued to consult with Sega, the previous game’s publisher, on how we can make sure this takes place. Our answer was a new partnership with Nintendo.

Along with their new hardware, Nintendo, as a company, is dedicated to establishing a new future for the games industry, as you can tell by their record of passionate support for gaming. Alongside Nintendo, we hope to grow the Bayonetta brand beyond where it stands today, allowing even more gamers around the world to experience the action of our beloved witch. As developers, we are working hard to make this a reality.

The game’s director (and creature designer) Yusuke Hashimoto as well as the first game’s director and sequel supervisor Hideki Kamiya both shed light on the game’s core motif. First up, Hashimoto:

It has been three years since Bayonetta, a title I was also a part of… I’m incredibly happy to be able to announce that we are working on a sequel. Alongside Bayonetta‘s creator, Hideki Kamiya, I’m working on everything from creating a compelling world to character designs (I will be designing the enemies again), and everyone on our talented team is united around the core of Bayonetta, Climax Action, in an effort push the series forward. For empowering our heroine with incredible new action to introducing new characters (which you may have noticed in the teaser trailer), Bayonetta will further expand on the mythology of the Trinity of Realities — Inferno, Paradiso, and our human world. I can’t wait to take the journey with you.

And Kamiya:

After Bayonetta was released, I was coming back on the bullet train with Yusuke Hashimoto, pondering various ideas for sequels or spin-offs to Bayonetta over a beer. I never thought we’d actually get to announce a sequel to her story, so I am absolutely over the moon.

Even though there has been a bit of a gap since the release of the last game, but I still got lots of request for a sequel from gamers. We were secretly making one the entire time. While I am not the director of this game, I am still supervising the world, story, characters, etc. in close coordination with Hashimoto, and I have been from the very beginning. You have nothing to work about on that end. And of course, plenty of members from the first Bayonetta are on-board and working hard under the direction of Hashimoto, so I look forward to work every day, coming in and seeing all the progress they have made on the game. With new hardware, we look forward to expanding on the Climax Action of Bayonetta, so sit tight and get ready!

It’s interesting that Nintendo was able to take over the publishing rights for Bayonetta from Sega. I guess Nintendo does what Sega don’t?

Platinum Games [Official Site]

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  • No matter what spin you put on it, they’re releasing a sequel to a PS3/360 game exclusively on a Nintendo console. A Nintendo console that graphically is incredibly similar to the PS3/360, a console that a lot of people (myself included) see no point in purchasing because in a few years PS4/720 will be out, and WiiU does pretty much the same as my PS3 but inevitably with a fucking region lock so I can’t import.

    And they wonder why fans are pissed?

    • Nintendo paid Platinum for the rights to it. They really couldn’t say no. I should think you’d be glad to see it coming out at all. You could just buckle down, buy a Wii U, and play the game. Or you could sit in your room, lying awake at night, cursing Nintendo for reviving a franchise you like in a way that you don’t like. Just stop it with the monsoon of butthurt.

      • Wow!! Gamers unite!! I must say this kind of cry baby antics is pathetic. This is not the first or last time this has happened. In fact Sony and Microsoft have taken Nintendo exclusives in the past …. But I guess that’s different when it goes to the console you have a hard on for?

        This is going to happen more and more as consoles fight for exclusives. It’s called business. Deal with it and go play a game on your selected console :p

        • The point people are trying to make is that the first game was a PS3/360 exclusive, now the sequal is going straight to the Wii U where alot of the consumers will be Wii 1 usersso not many of them willget the story.

          Sony and Microsoft havent bought franchises from Nintendo, they have just remade there games.

          Maybe its about time for people to understand why nintendo is such a hatedcompany

    • so you would rather the game never come out, because if they had waited for the new xbox and playstation, the original game would be quite old, and the dev costs of restarting everything (because you can’t just wave a magic wand and make a game look good on the upcomming (and still unnannounced, so they wouldn’t even be able to START work on upgrading until they know the stats) sony and microsoft consoles, the amound of sales they would get would be too low for it to be worth it (because a lot of the people who bought the first game, but that aren’t hardcore fans would have moved on by then).

        • I couldn’t care less about games like Bayonetta but for the people complaining about this the difference between coming out on the Wii U and not coming out at all is 0 because they aren’t going to buy a Wii U. And this really shouldn’t surprise anybody, the Bayonetta demographic and Wii demographic are not exactly strongly overlapping. It’d be more surprising if no one was upset by this.

        • Sega dropped the franchise, they were partners with Platinum on this originally. Nintendo probably moved in to save it whilst obtaining exclusitivity for this title and maybe others.

      • Of course I would rather it never come out. Then there’d be a chance of the franchise continuing in a way that I will be able to enjoy, even if it is many years later. Slim, and much later? Sure. Better than not at all. Wii U games don’t exist for people who don’t own a Wii U.

    • Also. It is not similar graphics. It is better. Not sure how you came out with the conclusion But if you say based on game previews, i will say my ps3 game similar to my pc version why bother getting a pc? Because its better thats why.

    • What about fans like me who are going to buy a WiiU without complaining about everything JUST BECAUSE? I loved the first Bayonetta but what I find irritating about this whole thing is how little insight “fans” seem to put into the idea of publishing, game development and MONEY. No one has any reason to believe it won’t succeed and no one has any (real) reason to believe people who have a PS3 or a 360 won’t be interested in a WiiU. I don’t play favourites and I would hope that as “fans” we are to judge games on their own merits as opposed to consistently making assumptions. At one point, “fans” would say it didn’t matter what system it was as long as the games were good. Now you’re complaining about the WiiU because of the PS4 and an XBOX successor supposedly being out soon? What makes you think any of those consoles will be worth it? You have no idea, none of us do. How about giving something the good old benefit of the doubt, innocent until proven guilty approach instead of immediately complaining to anyone who’ll listen?

      I didn’t read anywhere about them wondering why “fans” were pissed. In fact they seemed to know exactly why and addressed it in their statement.

    • My god. Another loon. It dose NOT MATTER!

      Has everyone forgoten that the ‘hock’ for Bay games was the main chars BOOBS! I played the demo. Its an ok game. Not a good one tho. What this really comes down to is that Tendo are just trying to show that there will be more ‘hardcore’ games on the Wii U, and buy publishing it, they garentee it.

      Lests not forget the the big N is a better games company that M$ or $ony.

      Remmber. Nintendo is the OLDEST of the game companys. They are also the ONLY company taking risks while all the others sit back and wait to see how they go.

      Tendo did the following first in turns of the gameing world:
      1. 3D
      2. 32bit (N64)
      3. the 3D we now see used in games. (Game Cube)
      4. Moiton Contorls. (Wii)
      5. 3D WITHOUT GLASSES (3Ds)

      • Actually, the “hock” for Bayonetta was the fact that it has the the most amazing fighting engine the world has ever seen. Nothing came close before it was released, and nothing has come close after. I pity people who can’t see past the main character’s physical assets to appreciate such magic.

      • Ignoring all the spelling mistakes; Nintendo only did one of those things first.

        1. If you’re referring to 3D polygon graphics, Alone in the Dark is one of the first uses of it in a video game, released in 1990.
        2. Not only was the N64 64bit rather than 32bit, but the Atari Jaguar beat it to the punch in 1993, 3 years before the release of the N64.
        3. If you’re still referring to 3D polygon graphics, see 1. If you were referring to the Virtual Boy, not only was it not the first use of 3D in a console/handheld, it was a critical and commercial failure.
        4. Motion controls were available for multiple consoles WELL before the Wii was released (although generally in peripherals designed for singular games).
        5. While it is true that the 3DS is the first mainstream console to utilise 3D without glasses, it is currently a flawed technology (moving your head left or right even slightly loses the 3D effect, and many people cannot view it without developing headaches), and is such a secondary aspect of the success of the 3DS that a number of higher-up staff at Nintendo have stated that it will be unlikely to return for successors of the handheld.

    • @ Jake:

      PS3 and 360 fans can’t really be mad that Bayonetta 2’s going to be a Wii U exclusive, seeing how it took Nintendo’s good relationship with Platinum Games to bring that series back from the dead. It was well-received, but Sega (the original publisher of this Platinum Games’ game) didn’t think the demographic was strong enough for a sequel, so Sega dropped the franchise, but Ninty brought it back. If anything, Nintendo saved this game from obsolescence. They deserve to have it as an exclusive. If it weren’t for Nintendo buying the rights to this game, there wouldn’t even be a Bayonetta 2.

      Also, the Wii U can and will exceed the visual quality of the PS3. It already does bear the better-looking versions of Assassin’s Creed 3, Aliens: Colonial Marines and the better-late-than-never Mass Effect 3. You have to remember that a console’s early graphics are just that–early, with its fuller power potential yet fully-tapped. But one shouldn’t be looking for a console for the best graphics, anyways–if you want graphics, go with PC. If you want the console experience, go with the one offering the most to that experience. (But I won’t tell you what to like.)

      Finally, you’re making a crude assumption that there will even be a PS4 and new Xbox–or, at least, one to your liking. Now, I do think we’ll see them, but maybe not what you’re expecting. Sony is in a financial bind, losing billions over the last couple of years, firing thousands of employees, but yet, finding time and money to buy the cloud-gaming service Gaikai for a hefty $380 million. They’re already venturing into Smart TVs that will play games without the need of consoles and can, theoretically, play games via cloud technology eventually.

      And the last time they made a cutting-edge console (PS3), it put them in the black for several years, only making a profit on PS3 as late as 2009, and they continue to feel the bind as they invested a full three-year-profit loss going into PS Vita. All this together tells me that there is a very good possibility that a PS4 might not be a console in a traditional sense, but rather a Roku-like console based on cloud-service gaming. It would save them millions in production costs to omit disc format, and to be honest, it wouldn’t be beneath Sony to do that.

      Let’s remember–Sony’s not really a gaming company–they’re an electronics company first with only an investment in gaming, along with music, movies, and some software, who acquires other game developing companies to develop all of their games for them (all of SCEA is comprised of smaller developers that Sony bought).

      Don’t forget–Sony only entered gaming to begin with because Nintendo didn’t want the PlayStation prototype which Sony designed for them as their next console (they went with N64 instead). They had a good product on their hands, so they didn’t want to let it go to waste, but that by no means makes Sony a true passion for console gaming. In the 20 years they’ve been a console producer, they’ve expressed no commitment to continuing the culture of console gaming as we know it–they’ve only been supporting it while its industry thrives. So Sony has absolutely NO hard commitment to keeping console gaming as we know it, but that might change as their priorities change. They’re hurting financially, and may possibly even see bankruptcy, and so there’s no guarantee from them that they’ll make a drastic change towards console gaming to something like 100% cloud-based gaming.

      As for Microsoft, they’re shooting themselves right in the foot by flaunting Windows 8 everywhere–which many people, like myself, hate dearly. Making Windows 8 as the OS of their next console might prove disastrous, as they’d likely gear their next console to be operated by their growing line of Windows 8-powered mobile devices.

      Again, Microsoft is not a gaming company–they’re a software company with a investment in the games industry, as well as mobile technology and other venues, who acquires other game developing companies to develop all of their games for them. Also, similarly like Sony, Microsoft has recently partnered with cloud-gaming company Agawi to powered cloud-based gaming through their Windows 8 products.

      Windows 8 is Microsoft’s entire initiative going into 2013. They’re going to push that priority first, because they’re Microsoft, and that’s simply what they do. Xbox might still go on, but there’s a good chance it’ll resemble a Wii U in its design, only instead of a Wii U GamePad, we might see the system controlled using a Windows 8-powered tablet controller with cloud-based gaming.

      I’m not saying that these are what we WILL see from Sony and Microsoft here. I’m just saying that I think you’re getting your hopes up about a PS4/720 just a little too soon. There’s very good reason to consider that you might not be getting what you want as a PS4/720. Nothing’s definite yet, but the Wii U might just be the ONLY traditional console of the eighth generation. It’s quite possible, and looking more likely, at least with ailing Sony’s case.

  • I’m glad Bayonetta 2 was saved and is coming out, but I’m sad that its exclusive to the wiiU, ’cause I don’t think I’m going to get one. Not enough people appreciated the first game, so I hope that a lot of people that get a wiiU get Bayonetta 2.

    Bayonetta you’re a mystery, you come along with a destiny…

    • Yes, but there’s a hell of a lot of people who would purchase it for their existing console, but won’t buy a Wii U just for the one game.

      And no, I don’t care about the Nintendo franchises so it would quite literally be a one game purchase console. Capiche?

      • Overall, though, it’s a better business decision to release a game on a single console than to not release a game on any console, regardless of how many people ‘would have bought’ the game it it was on a different system.

        I reckon Halo would have sold more if it was also on the PS3, but it doesn’t seem to be. Why get annoyed that THIS instance of exclusivity where there are plenty of other examples? Why is THIS the straw that broke the camel’s back?

  • They don’t want to alienate us.. but they will anyway.. for money.
    Frankly the series is dead to me now. Nintendo are only good for their handhelds these days >_>

    • It would’ve been literally dead if Nintendo hadn’t given them money to continue it. Just buy the game, or else don’t. Nintendo is trying to get back to the hardcore audience, and you’re all writhing in revulsion.

      • I disagree. Considering how many people are upset over this i’d say that no, it wouldn’t have been a dead series. If anything, now it’s a dead series. Shying away from the two bigger consoles that gave it life in the first place. Having an opinion doesn’t make me an ingrate. As under that logic of yours, you’d be an ingrate also =/

        • You miss the point. Without Nintendo B2 WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN MADE! There for, it would have been dead if Nintendo had not payed for it.

          Some people and there sticks up there asses… I will never know how they keep it there for so long…

  • I love how Ashcraft puts fans in quotes, like them disagreeing with him invalidates them.

    Once again I don’t have any interest in the series but I still find the way people are judging the people who are understandably angry despicable.

    • I agree totally.
      I never even finished Bayonetta 1 but people seeing Nintendo as ‘saving the series’ when all they really did was jump on a business opportunity is annoying. I was annoyed when I had to shell out $300+ for a gamecube so I could play Tales of Symphonia. I had every right to be annoyed aswell. This is the same thing. A series that started on one console now requires people who played it on a separate console entirely to purchase a new one for the sake of playing it.
      For that reason, Nintendo haven’t ‘saved’ the series, they’ve damned them.
      From what I played of the first one, it was a good game, but not worth buying a new console for.
      No, FUCK, no.

  • Loved the first game – refreshingly adult, cheeky with surprisingly fleshed out controls and abilities.

    Having the sequel as a Wii U exclusive? Disappointing. I understand why, but I’m not going to be in a hurry to buy another console just for one game. Perhaps they’ll release it on other platforms down the track if/when sales figures aren’t high enough but by that stage it’ll probably be a case of ‘too little, too late.’

  • Hey guys, you know that it’s just a game right? I mean, it’s not like you’ll die if you don’t play it. Stop whining, it’s out of your control. Stop being so self-entitled.

      • What is with this idiotic ‘self entitled’ rubbish ?

        It seemed to have started with the ME3 debacle and now it’s an overused and irrelevant ‘insult.’ People aren’t self entitled if they’re paying (or prospective) customers. Even if they aren’t, people are entitled to have differing views.

        Stop being so concerned with other people’s opinions.

  • The game already alienated everyone on multiplatform, hence the low sales…yet by releasing it on a specific console with a different target audience won’t?

  • It does seem strange to suddenly be exclusive to the one console brand it wasn’t released on originally especially given their advertisement focus for the first game (sex) and Nintendo’s family friendly image. However by the sounds of thins it wasn’t getting a sequel on xbox/ps3 either way and I guess it’s part of Nientendos plan to try and appeal to core gamers again.

    I’m a little sad though as I did quite like the first one but I have no plans on buying a WiiU and I don’t thinks that’s going to change in a hurry.

  • Wow. The fraking console is less than $400. If you are such a gamer that you see this as a personal affront rather than a game being saved.Stop whining and save money. Enjoy the game. When you are finished give your wii u to a sick kid.I hear nintendo consoles cure them.

      • Try using the words: please and thanks. Also the terms- I am a fan not the owner of the IP. I am an adult not a whiny baby without a job. You don’t make sense. The game didn’t sell well. (I bought the limited edition ps3 version new at kmart for $15). It was canned!!!! Where is your contribution to developing the sequel???? You do make sense. You are a whiny loser with a huge sense of undeserved entitlement.

  • Its interesting that people are so offended by exclusive titles these days. I guess the precedent has been set that most games are multi-platform now. Back in the day the exclusive titles were what sold a console, because you didnt have all these gimmicks like motion control or digital delivery services. When Final Fantasy moved from Nintendo to Sony (with the PS1) people just dealt with it and bought a Playstation.

    • They’re offended that a direct SEQUEL is exclusive, which, out of the dozens upon dozens of franchises in this industry there has maybe been a history of it happening once or twice. People bought Final Fantasy games from Sony because Sony had next generation hardware that Nintendo didn’t. WiiU is a rich man’s PS3/360.

      • What he said, I remember back n ’97 with the build up to FF7 and how I was annoyed that Squaresoft had pretty well much abandoned Nintendo for Sony, but you know what I sucked it up got a PlayStation and got the game.

        And you know what it was worth it, not just for FF7, but for all the other games I would have missed if we’d never gotten a PS1, so if you’re a fan of the series and you have the $ and willingness to spend it, just buy the damned console.

        Since you’ll have the console anyway you could try some other exclusives while you’re at it, who knows maybe it’ll open new doors for you that you never knew existed.

  • I’m confused with all the comments like ” I’m not in a rush to but a console for just one game”, It makes me think people expect billions of games to be out by launch. Nintendo said this is their most star studded line up to which I would agree, maybe people are just a lot more picky these days. Look back on both the PS3 and 360’s launch line (and window) up and compared to this it’s pretty weak

  • I have no idea why so many gamers are making a fuss about this. So what if Nintendo is publishing the title? If fans of the game are so upset about it, go and complain to SONY and Microsoft who didn’t go and buy them out.

    Wake up and smell the java, it’s not about the games all the time. In this common era; it’s about business strategy, money, and then it’s about the games.

      • Yes you are right, however it could also be because there was no support from either SONY and Microsoft, or that Nintendo just gave a better proposition.
        Fans should be happy that a new title which concerns them is coming out and not be disappointed by looking only at the exterior side of things.

  • What’s going to be interesting is seeing if Nintendo’s gambit with the Wii-U actually reverses the current “Family Friendly” image of the Wii and entices the original “Core” gamer market back to it. Moves like this seem a little unusually aggressive on Nintendo’s part so I’m guessing they’re trying to claw back a few of the losses they’ve had over the past couple of years.

    • Maybe but I think some people would still be too stubborn to buy the Wii U regardless of the games. The Wii U could have all the great exclusives, great 1st and 3rd Party Games, low price and people would still stick to their PS360.
      In the end, I think most people would rather just wait for the other next gen than buy a Wii U .

      • Explain how you went from ‘i think SOME’ to ‘i think MOST’???

        Anyway sure there will always be the stalwarts that stick to the console of choice but i dont for a second believe that its the majority. Most go where the games are, and if the Wii U provides a unique gaming experience gamers desire then they will buy one. its really as simple as that. Just because you wont dont assume most wont.

        • Yeah it was suppose to be “some people”. But my point still stands that proportion of the ps360 owners are reluctant to buy wii u with the other next gen around the corner (though whether it would be margnally or even just slightly stronger is debatble). Nintendo has created this family friendly image which imo will take a long time to change. Most “real gamer” will be able to acknowledge this but a large proportion of gamers (which are from younger genertion who are accustomed to Nintendo being the company with kiddie 1st party and shovelware) will stick to their graphically superior consoles.
          Like I said, it will take a couple more years before Nintendo will be able to convince these gamers that their console is just as great as the others (personally i think it will be greater considering the potential variety of games availble in the future as long as it maintains a small gap in terms of power between the other next gen consoles). bayonetta 2 is definitely a good step towards this new era for nintendo but it will take some time.

  • Oh yes it’s so fun too see the reactions on this.
    As I’m not a Bayonetta fan myself I don’t really care one way or another if there was a Bayonetta 2 or not.
    It’s understandable why fans are disappointed since they have too buy a whole new console for the sequel. But despite that remember that there wouldn’t even be a second game if Nintendo didn’t publish it. Sega wasn’t interested in publishing a second game . Who knows maybe it will be ported to PS4/Xbox 720 but that would still mean you gotta buy a whole new console.
    I understand the irritation the fans have and if I was a fan I would be annoyed as well. But at the same time understand that there wouldn’t even be a second game if it wasn’t for this, so just take it as it is. This is a business-market, money is everything in the very end. And Nintendo had the will and money to get the developers to make a second game.

  • Damn losers arguing over consoles. I love Nintendo, Sony kinda pisses me off too much to love them but hey I love many of their products. I have a Wii and I have a PS3 which I freely admit to using a lot more. I’m excited about the WiiU. I see Nintendo getting back on track with it and appealling to 3rd party devs again. I also see them giving up on just trying to focus on families and Nintendo fans as their core audience. They are trying to expand and the only thing in their way is doucheness. So I’ll get a WiiU, and if it doesn’t accomplish what I hope then I guess later down the track I’ll end up with either a PS4 or 720. And hell, If a game I want won’t be released on the console/s I’m willing to spend money on, I’ll suck it up like a man. Grow some hair on your balls you sissies (once they drop)

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