Diablo III Fans Are Not Reacting Well To The Game's PS4 Announcement

One of the surprises at tonight's PlayStation 4 reveal was the announcement that Blizzard's previously PC-only Diablo III will be coming to both PS4 and PS3.

This has led plenty of disgruntled Diablo III players to make themselves heard on Blizzard's official forums. While many simply voice disappointment about seeing a PC-exclusive ported to console, user SmashCrunch articulates a broader, more astute gripe: That it's entirely possible that Diablo III was built for consoles from the start.

From the Diablo III forums:

Diablo 3 was setup to be a console game.

The reason only 4 players are allowed into a game is for 4 controllers.

The reason the quests make you walk in a linear closed circuit as opposed to big open worlds, is to keep your buds next to you on the same screen.

The reason for no skill points or complicated number crunching? To make console players happy.

The reason you have 4-5 skills on your bar at once? Very easy to use an Xbox/Ps3 controller to use skills.

The reason no runes / complicated item mechanics exists. Simply wouldn't be fun for console gamers.

The reason you can't host a named game? Auto join for console users.

The reason for achievements in game? It's popular among console / COD fans.

The reason for passive skills? Perks like Call of Duty uses. Everyone unlocks perks and uses their favourite ones.

PC gamers are just beta testing for the console release so it wont be full of bugs. That's how ActiBlizz intends to make the real money.

Also explains why the game doesn't have VoIP for Pc gamer chat.

Diablo 3 is the modern Call of Duty of ARPG's.

There are some users in the thread offering counterpoints, but it's hard not to see the truth in some of those observations.

Find more discussion over at the Diablo III forums.


Comments

    go for it Blizzard!
    console owners have just as much right as PC users to see first hand how badly you've damaged the Diablo franchise.

      +1 Mr. 35
      online requirements (and loot checking/spawning) made the game unplayable for me...
      cant see it being any different on the playstation version, but maybe 3 other people can be just as frustrated as me... at the same time, in the same room!!!!
      looking forwards to the PS4..
      but THIS isnt going to sell many consoles...

      i agree with youl, console owners have every right to have a game like diablo 3

        I dont think that is what they are getting at, nobody said console gamers didn't have a right they are angry because they butchered what made the original so compelling just to suit consoles

          I dont think they butchered Diablo specifically because of consoles, but I do think they made a mess of it.

          the joke was more along the lines of "now everyone will see how bad it is, not just PC gamers."

          But as far as exclusivity goes, unless a game is made by Sony / Microsoft, then I dont think it should be exclusive to a single console.

            Maybe, but maybe not but that is how these people are feeling about it. They may not be expressing this feeling in the most elegant way but still. You can't discount how people feel about a product even if that wasn't the intention

      Yep. You nailed it. I'm not a diablo superfan, but I enjoyed the first to a point, played a fair bit of the 2nd, and the always online component ruins it. I have a gtx 580, 16mb of ram on a i7 3820 @ 4.3GHZ and I frequently have frame rates in the teens. That's just ridiculous and it's purely because of net issues, everytime.

      Basically everytime i play the game, I have my fingers crossed that I'll have a good experience and not have major performance issues, or simply get booted out at random with no warning.

      It's a shame, because I believe Blizzard make the best games they can, but there's some serious missteps with Diablo 3.

      And what's with levelling up??? No choice at all???

        I think the 16mb of RAM might be the root of your frame issues. :P

          You think I should get more? ;P

          Doh. I stoopid sometimes.

    Oh yeah that didnt sound like the typical "PC GAMERS ARE THE MASTER RACE! VILE CONSOLE PEASANTS HAVE RUINED THIS" that the pc gamers have been spewing for decades.
    Dont blame consoles for diablo 3 sucking. God i hate PC Gamer elitism.

      The unwashed console peasants have been a blight on PC gaming for as long as developers felt that the console dollar is more equal than the PC dollar. No smoke without fire and all that business, what?

      Good day to you, sir.

      It's not about elitism, it's about making the most of the advantages of the platform.
      Wouldn't you like more games to feature four-player local coop?
      What if all racing games were local single player only, multiplayer online only?
      What if you could only use one analogue stick to look in FPS and could only move and strafe with the dpad?
      PC players feel, accurately or not, that Diablo 3 was designed with the limitations of consoles in mind rather than the limitations of the PC.

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        Youre wrong here, this is elitism plain and simple, the poster makes comments on dumbing down the game for 'console gamers' or things wouldnt be fun for console gamers.
        YOU personally may not be advocating the PC master race, but the OP was.
        You dont like diablo 3 and the choices that were made, thats your right, but blaming consoles for the mistakes of a PC game that wont come out on a console 18 months of so after the release of it on the PC. Then you need a wake up call.

          Sorry, I was referring to the reasons for the general discontent.
          The poster is definitely an angry elitist. That's why he was singled out.

          Its not elitism, its truth - I think the word 'Simplified' is better than dumbed down. The fact is that you physically can't produce a console game as complex as sone PC games due to limitations of a simplified control system.

            This message was brought to you by the gaming master race.

              Your argument style isn't exactly doing wonders for dispelling the myths of console user inferiority...

              *Owner of X360, PS3, and a non-gaming PC.

                i could put forth a well rounded argument that had no flaws whatsoever in it and it still wouldnt make an impact to any of the PC gamers who believe themselves to be the cream of the crop gamers and play only the best games because they are on PC, tell one of them you prefer to play with a controller and they act like you just shot and raped their dog.

                Im a firm believer in play whatever you want. Every different gaming setup has pros/cons.
                Elite PC gamers are of the mindset that everything they do is superior and consoles are inferior.
                So to say my argument styles is advocating "console user inferiority" when there is no argument style WHATSOEVER to change an elitists opinion is laughable.

                  Just because elitists exist doesn't mean that their arguments are incorrect.

                  We get this in politics all the time. Just because the angry, racist, homophobic redneck happens to have latched on to an argument that you also find has merit doesn't mean that you shouldn't continue using that argument.

                  Consoles are objectively inferior. That doesn't mean you can't like it more than the PC, but, (and good lord I hate this expression) it is what it is. You're just intent on latching onto the "PC Elitism" argument rather than reconciling the fact that PC's are, in reality, just better.

                  But as I said that doesn't mean you can't prefer a console over a PC.. However, .it's disingenuous to suggest PC's aren't the superior platform based on hardware and versatility. Anything you could say a console has "over" a PC are entirely matters of preference; such as preferring to play sitting on a couch infront of a tv, etc.

        I'm a PC player and I don't feel that way. Please don't speak for all of us. I just think it was an opportunity lost, and I'm really glad i didn't pay full price for the game, because it's definitely not worth it.

          It's a big WTF for me too. As I game on PC & Console - always have since the Micro-computer days. Ya know. The days when PCs' were a piece of shit and a joke ;)

        You do realise that all that stops a Mouse & Keyboard being used on a console is driver support? My PSone had a Mouse. My Dreamcast had a Mouse & Keyboard. SNES had a Mouse! My Xbox1 supports Mouse & Keyboard - thanks to modders. Modders don't not even think that way as they know that you can get anything to run on anything! And that a computer is anything that computes, no matter what the form factor.

      There is nothing like sitting a dark room playing PC games by yourself. Its so awful when I have to play games on my xbox, on my comfortable lounge, fridge nearby and a couple of mates.
      I just dont understand why consoles exist, they are just so awful. Especially how there are so accessible to children and that controllers are more robust so they dont damage them as easily.
      Its like when I was flying my radio controlled helicopter it naturally came with a keyboard and mouse to fly it..........

        Yes they are required for the plebs too stupid to operate a device more complicated than a remote control.

          Are you say saying that people who can effect articulate, fine movement with just their thumbs and the other small appendages are less adept then a "pleb" who needs a row of weapon buttons, WASD and have to drag their arm around to aim?
          Seriously. You're a dumb arse.

          http://letsmakerobots.com/node/28143
          flying a UAV quadracopter
          Quote
          "Software control is completely home-made, and suited to be run into Fonera. It reads nunchuck and motion+ wii sensors, applies a low-pass filter, and a 2nd complementary filter on every loop which has been previously readed. Finally three PID controls manage rotor speed to guarantee stability.

          Managing the aircraft with keyboard control is almost impossible. Due to this I developed a C program to translate USB Gamepads events into fixed-timed HTTP requests. This can be ported to any other control, making very easy to adapt to mobile devices, like phones, tablets, etc."

          For the record, I have no problem with PC gaming, just ignorant fanboi elitists.

        This. This is what iPhone users sound like when talking to non-iPhone users. It's not obnoxious or annoying at all. You sure you want your consoles to sound as elitist and exclusionary as Apple products? No one ever though they were dicks...

        I personally think that both sides of this argument are equally guilty of the sledging and elitism everyone talks about. Every platform or control scheme has its strengths and weaknesses and there is no definitive one better than the other, it's all down to your personal preference.

          Agree in full.
          Its just fun to play games. I really enjoyed Amnesia, it wasnt on a console so I played it on my Pc, same as the Myst series and a ton of others.
          Sometimes I use controllers on the PC and never get left behind, its a preference.
          I find flight sims better on the PC, but I prefer racing sims on consoles.
          Im lucky enough to be able to afford multi-systems. It also doesnt make someone who can only afford one or the other stupid for buying "X".
          Im just a consumer, like everyone else. The experience I'm willing to pay for is across varied platforms.
          Manufactures are not "Teams" that you have to blindly follow. They are businesses that are trying to make money. If you feel that they need your undying support and you have shout at everyone else who buys something different to you, maybe you should look at your own life a little and ask, whats missing.

          geregh still said it best.

    WEE wait to point out the troll post there kirk. Everyone and their dog has know for sometime that blizzard have been looking attempting to get d3 onto consoles as the diablo series is the only current game series made by blizzard that could and has worked on consoles (Diablo1 was on the PSone). RTS game do not work on consoles and its been proven time and time again with C&C, Starcraft, Warcraft, Dune 2 ( even though it was on console first iirc) Halo Wars, Alien V Predator Extinction, Supreme Commander 2.

      Whether it sells well on consoles ( after all the bad press the game has had on pc) however is an entirely different story as i dont think console people would be willing to shell out 60 bucks for it

        When your biggest publicity is a YouTube video of an angry fat man screaming at his computer over the bugs in your game... You've got problems!

      Yeah I think you'll find Dune 2 was on pc first, and man was it awesome for it's time. But RTS is definitely a genre which doesn't translate well to consoles.

    Some may be arguable, but

    "The reason for achievements in game? It’s popular among console / COD fans."
    Ridiculous. They're mostly liked globally.

    "Also explains why the game doesn’t have VoIP for Pc gamer chat"
    Left out because no one would use it. Whevener I use voice chat with people, it's always with external programs. Warcraft has internal voice chat and no one uses it.

      Really? I think Achievements are the stupidest thing since... well, really stupid things...

      But there's acknowledging a player has achieved something significant in the game, and then there's just applauding the player because they actually understood the long words in the tutorial, and knew how to turn left.

      Anyway in-game VoIP is what you use when you join public games, or so I would think. I haven't bothered with D3 so I really don't know which system would be more appropriate.

      From my Experiance (quit in Cata) WoW's voice chat sucked compared to Teamspeak or Ventrillo. And when it was used it was often abused.

    uggh...really? the game has been out for almost a year....this affects PC gamers how?

      Because the game sat somewhere between underwhelming and sucky, and by claiming that the game was built for the PS4 from day one they can cling onto the idea that it would have been perfect if it wasn't for those stupid console gamers ruining everything. We're retroactively destroying their superior way of life!

      Because it now appears to have been designed from the groud up for console, tainting the original experience "for almost a year".

      I think you misread the article.

      While on the surface, it may appear that Blizzard produced a sub-par game that didn't meet these people's expectations, that wasn't in fact the case. Blizzard wanted to produce an awesome game, but was forced to dumb the game down to satisfy dirty console users, probably by those evil people at Activision.

      So we can all rest easy knowing that Blizzard never makes mistakes, even though it might sometimes look that way.

        I can accept that maybe they made it with consoles in mind if that we're the case why not get it out at time of release when there's more cances of Sales
        ?

    I'm not sure i'll go back to this (PC) even with an xpac, and certainly not for console. It really was a horrible wasted opportunity for such an excellent license.

    Good way to make Blizzbucks though.

    I bet you anything these babies will preorder this, hypocrisy is rampant in the PC Gamer community.

      You're so right. I never see this when console gamers piss and moan about which identical version of their game is better becaus it's on their specific console...

    The reason for no skill points or complicated number crunching? To make console players happy.

    Hahaha, funniest thing I've read in a while. What a bozo.

    EDIT: Pack up your bags and go home, folks. Turns out this is a repost of a year old 4chan post:
    link.

    Diablo 3 was setup to be a console game.
    The reason only 4 players are allowed into a game is for 4 controllers.

    It's been known since before D3 launched that they were trying to get it out on consoles. 4 player limitation might not be because of controllers but because that's how many players they could get to join the same game.

    The reason the quests make you walk in a linear closed circuit as opposed to big open worlds, is to keep your buds next to you on the same screen.
    Doesn't work. Often while playing through with friends on PC, we would split up. There's no reason to think that the console version would be any different.

    The reason for the setup of the quests was because the game was very narrative driven.

    The reason for no skill points or complicated number crunching? To make console players happy.
    Hurr durr console gamers are morons.

    The reason you have 4-5 skills on your bar at once? Very easy to use an Xbox/Ps3 controller to use skills.
    You have six skills. This was clearly set up from you outset to work with PC and console controls.

    The reason no runes / complicated item mechanics exists. Simply wouldn’t be fun for console gamers.
    Makes no sense unless "hurr durr console gamers are morons"

    The reason you can’t host a named game? Auto join for console users.
    Actually that one is probably true.

    EDIT: No wait, I just remembered, Starcraft 2 suffers this exact same problem. Blizzard just hates lobbies.

    The reason for achievements in game? It’s popular among console / COD fans.
    World of Warcraft and Starcraft 2 have achievements. Steam games have achievements. iPhone games have acheivements. Hurr durr console peasants like getting point.

    The reason for passive skills? Perks like Call of Duty uses. Everyone unlocks perks and uses their favourite ones.
    Diablo 2 had passive skills. It allows for greater complexity without sacrificing active skills. Remember, Diablo 2 only let you have two skills equipped at a time.

    PC gamers are just beta testing for the console release so it wont be full of bugs. That’s how ActiBlizz intends to make the real money.
    Consoles are completely different platforms with different quirks that you could not test for as part of a major PC release.

    Also explains why the game doesn’t have VoIP for Pc gamer chat.
    Blizzard's VOIP has always sucked and wouldn't have any impact on porting the game to consoles that have their own VOIP system.

    Diablo 3 is the modern Call of Duty of ARPG’s.
    Hurr durr etc

    Why on earth are we considering the opinions of things posted to the official Battle.net forum? Seriously.

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      Doesn't work. Often while playing through with friends on PC, we would split up. There's no reason to think that the console version would be any different.

      Especially given the console trend of removing local multiplayer. Somehow I doubt we'll see four player local co-op on Diablo III PS4 edition.

        Diablo 3 already supports 4 player local co-op on consoles, you just all need to stay on the same screen, it was already mentioned on Kotaku in the Diablo 3 coming to Playstation article.

          Ah, missed that part. Too much info today.

            Tell me about it, by the time you read the first dozen or so articles, there twenty more. I don't see four local players being fun if you've got a guy who spends all day in the inventory...

    A lot of the gripes with how this guy sees console players are actually things Blizzard has seen major success with on their PC games. The reason Starcraft had achievements was because it earned them a hell of a lot of money with World of Warcraft. No skill point or number crunching? Guess where Warcraft has been trying to head for years.
    Blizzard aren't dumbing it down to please the obviously inferior minded console player base, they're dumbing it down because [they believe] there is more money to be made from casual players who won't winge about every other line in the patch notes. They chose this patch long before any of these decisions were finalised for Diablo III.

    Last edited 21/02/13 2:30 pm

    I look forward to PS4 owners being just as bored with this over hyped, pointless game as all the PC players (myself included) were.

    Eh, they copied a post from 4chan back in May 2012 - http://i.imgur.com/u9zsDBW.png

    It's also cherry picking as if these explanations are the only logical reason.

    Perhaps...
    The reason only 4 players are allowed into a game is because there is a whole lot of screen-shaking, light-show making action going on with 1 person in the game, and even more so with 4. Add extra people in and it just gets ridiculous with all the flashy skill effects getting in the way of the actual game. See: complaints about PoE.

    The reason the quests make you walk in a linear closed circuit as opposed to big open worlds, is because Diablo has always done this? It's a dungeon crawler at heart - in every iteration of the series you have been confined to a closed circuit. Diablo is not an epic MMO/RPG with a big open world for you to explore - that's not the game they wanted to make.

    The reason for no skill points or complicated number crunching? To make console players happy. - not even a valid reason. General 'console gamers are dumber than PC gamers' rhetoric. Yawn.

    The reason you have 4-5 skills on your bar at once? Very easy to use an Xbox/Ps3 controller to use skills. - This is also why Dishonored only allowed you to use a maximum of 4-5 weapons/powers. Oh, wait.

    The reason no runes / complicated item mechanics exists. Simply wouldn’t be fun for console gamers. - yeah I have to give him this point. Console gamers, (which are different to PC gamers) hate systems that let them upgrade their weapons in specific (or 'complicated') ways. This is the reason games on consoles don't allow you to upgrade your weapons in any way ever.

    I did want to keep going but it's boring and my lunch break is over. It's a funny list, but jesus if anyone is reading into it and having some sort of epiphany that it now all makes sense or some rubbish, you need to step outside for a bit.

      It was always silly that they couldn't at least make it 5 players though. There are 5 classes! Why wouldn't you want to show them off all at once! The picture on the back of the Diablo 1 box had the Warrior, the Rogue and the Sorcerer together. I think? Diablo 2's box did the same for the first five classes. If not the box, then at least any officially released screenshots would have had at least one shot of all 5.

    I always laugh when I look at comments like these, with PC players attacking consoles and categorising all console players as children and COD players.

    The thing that’s funniest to me is that I used to be a huge PC gamer, when I was a student with nothing to do and heaps of time on my hands to spend f*cking around with PC stuff.
    Now that I’m an adult with a life and a mortgage and I don’t have time to sit around for hours on end tweaking PC settings so I do 90% of my gaming on consoles, and I get accused of being a child or even worse… a “COD player” by elitist knobs sitting behind their PCs.

    I'll give this bloke a hint- IT'S THE SAME MARKET. Just because you own a PC doesn't make you part of some special community of people who universally hates “COD style perks”. I remember when I was a huge Quake player and a huge portion of the PC community stopped playing 1 on 1 FPS games and slowly shifted to the shitty team-based FPS games (CounterStrike) which lead to games like COD.

    It’s hilarious now to see elitists like this bloke carrying on that PC gamers would never like that stuff.

      I think the problem comes from the fact that consoles are cheap so they are what the kids get, There are just as many talented gamers playing on consoles as on PC's however the console market also has a huge amount of extra people who are indeed the kids you see on COD and in other games.

      I work at schools most of the time and it really cracks me up how I hear these kids in primary schools talking about how many kills they get in COD.

      At least you dont get teased for being a gamer anymore.

        I dont thing its a platform thing though- it's a lowest common denominator playing idiotic team based shooters thing.

        While it didn't get the same media attention largely due to to low cost and high rates of piracy (there was never the massive annual launch) the exact same demographic that was all playing CounterStrike on PC 10-15 years ago is playing COD now.
        Ever go on Gamespy in 2000 and have a look at the amount of active PC users playing the game which became the blueprint for COD compared to the other big PC titles at the time? CounterStrike was huge compared to the other "more sophisticated" PC games.

        The market has grown and the money involved has caused a shift but there is no difference between the PC crowd then and the COD crowd now.

          Man, CounterStrike on PC! loved that game!!! that was epic!

    Reading some of the comments on the forum there has given me a headache.

    I'm growing tired of PC fanbois thinking they're the gaming elite. Just sit there, stfu and wait for your console ports.

    I loved the one about console gamers not wanting complex game mechanics.

    Hilarious. No. Wait, it's the other thing.

      Everyone knows that the only complicated mechanic in Diablo games was clickspamming.

    Well no shit.

    The people on the official Diablo 3 forums are NEVER happy.
    What a waste of the author's and our time.

      Nail on the head there.

      They'd complain if they were on fire, they'd complain if you put them out.

      Sox, are people on online forums ever happy about anything??

        Not usually no. Which is exactly why articles shouldn't be written about them.

        Might as well go to GameFAQs to get an indepth breakdown of every announcement ever.

    It's rather insulting to think "console gamers" are braindead morons who need everything to be simple.

    So you bought a few plug and play components and a case, power supply and a fan and then like McGuyver you used a screw driver. FFS it's harder putting together a lego set than it is a gaming PC. If you think you're some kind of elite game you're a joke. Go pirate so,etching to calm your nerves, go on get pirating, your platform isn't quite dead yet.

    I'd consider myself primarily a PC Gamer but this elitist, almost irrational phobia of consoles and console games never fails to make me feel truly ashamed.

      Why would it make you feel ashamed, every platform has people who go around thinking they are a superior human for their purchasing choice.

      Even the Wii!

        Damn straight. Every gaming catagory has it's share of dicks.

    Taking anything from the Blizzard forums is dangerous... It's a breeding ground for trolls and spoilt brats.

    Im a gamer. I play games happily on all consoles, tablets and the Pc.
    Also I never forget Im just a consumer. I pay for what I want to play.
    Love my xbox. Glad I bought the PS3. Wii was fun. Lost without Steam. If there is one thing that ticks me off about cross-platforming pc tittles to consoles, it's reducing features in the PC version to make it work on the console. keep them seperate so the experience matches the hardware.

    "The reason only 4 players are allowed into a game is for 4 controllers."
    PlayStation supports 7 controllers

    "The reason the quests make you walk in a linear closed circuit as opposed to big open worlds, is to keep your buds next to you on the same screen."
    When? All the areas are much bigger than one screen. Also: the game was made for PC multiplayer too, what's the point in that if you're all off on other ends of the game world.

    "The reason for no skill points or complicated number crunching? To make console players happy."
    Console players are dumb and don't like numbers. Us PC gamers like our spreadsheets gorram it.

    "The reason you have 4-5 skills on your bar at once? Very easy to use an Xbox/Ps3 controller to use skills."
    PS3 Controllers have like 14 spare buttons you can use, If controllers are the limit, why not use the controllers limit?

    "The reason no runes / complicated item mechanics exists. Simply wouldn’t be fun for console gamers."
    Again with the: Console players are dumb and don't like numbers. Us PC gamers like our spreadsheets gorram it.

    "The reason you can’t host a named game? Auto join for console users."
    Or maybe auto join for PC users? If they wanted named games they could've put that on the console too. Nothing stopping them.

    "The reason for achievements in game? It’s popular among console / COD fans."
    They were also pretty popular in Starcraft II.

    "The reason for passive skills? Perks like Call of Duty uses. Everyone unlocks perks and uses their favourite ones."
    Certainly not because they were fun, they don't even require math!

    "PC gamers are just beta testing for the console release so it wont be full of bugs. That’s how ActiBlizz intends to make the real money."
    Becuase ActiBlizz certainly didn't make any real money off the PC.

    "Also explains why the game doesn’t have VoIP for Pc gamer chat."
    Just to match all of the other console games that don't have VoIP chat...

    Sad fact, no one knows why Blizzard did what they did to Diablo 3. Is it because they wanted it to port easier to consoles? Maybe, seems logical when you think about a lot of the design choices. Maybe they wanted to dumb it down for more casual gamers? Another maybe, considering that every major aspect of WoW that was dumbed down was in the face of a more casual gamer.

    There is no maybe about one fact though, the game is trash. Quite simply, it doesn't live up to diablo 1 or 2 in any way. Console gamers should be urged not to buy this tripe that PC gamers have bought and endured with.

    If you can handle old school graphics, go get Diablo 2. Hands down better than this rubbish and will cost you a fraction of cost of Diablo 3! And it should run on basically every PC out there these days.

    People bitch and moan about Diablo 3 always online and yet seem to be perfectly fine with the PS4 being always online for everything. Double standards much?
    I enjoyed D3, I agree that I shouldn't have a latency when playing single player but it's hardly a deal breaker. And it's still one of the best selling PC games of recent years. There's so much hate coz there are so many players.
    There's just as much hate for the COD games and people still keep buying them and the devs will keep making them.
    So shut up about it already. D3 on PC is last year's news.
    Good to see a big influential company like Blizzard advancing with the times. I'd hate to see them go the way of other studios recently because they don't get any of the console pie.
    I would be perfectly happy to play SC2 on a console if it let my plug in a mouse and keyboard....

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