Fallout 3 Isn't Really An RPG

Fallout 3 Isn't Really An RPG

Fallout 3 doesn't follow the same basic formula for open-world sandbox games that has produced some truly great games, from Grand Theft Auto V to The Witcher 3. But what if Bethesda wasn't making an open-world sandbox RPG at all?

When Grand Theft Auto III released in 2001, it was a revelation. Sure, open-world games had existed prior, including Rockstar's own Body Harvest, back when Rockstar was still known as DMA Design. But it was GTA3 that changed the landscape of gaming forever. In a post-GTA world, it seemed like everyone was scrambling to make open-world games. By the seventh generation, it seemed like every major publisher had a game influenced by Grand Theft Auto.

Open-world games work something like this: the player exists in a large, 3D world, tackling it from a third-person perspective. Players travel between various points to complete or engage in missions. Many of the games feature cars, and those that don't often include other means of quick traversal, like parkour or grappling hooks. The world map is peppered with icons for additional activities not relevant to the main story, many of which are repeated throughout the world, most often in the form of various challenges and minigames. Most of the people you encounter in the game world don't have lives of their own — they disappear as soon as you get far enough away from them.

You can find this kind of gameplay in Grand Theft Auto V, as illustrated by its map:

Fallout 3 Isn't Really An RPG

And, of course, here's Assassin's Creed Unity:

Fallout 3 Isn't Really An RPG

Batman: Arkham Knight:

Fallout 3 Isn't Really An RPG

From The Witcher 3 to Sunset Overdrive to Shadow of Mordor to Far Cry 4, open-world games almost all work the exact same way.

At a glance, Bethesda's games might appear to have a lot in common traditional sandbox games, with their big, open worlds, plethora of map markers, and long travel times, but playing through games like Fallout 3 is a completely different experience than the traditional sandbox experience.

Last time we talked about Fallout 3, we looked at three basic things that made it awesome: it uses boredom to propel you out into the Wasteland, then it sends you on missions all around the map, not to pad out its content, but to distract you, leading you into its great world, where it occupies your attention by constantly asking you to think about the world you're exploring.

Combine those ideas with Fallout 3's approach to the world and its inhabitants, and the game's entire design starts to make sense. It's breaking the rules, but it's got a reason for that.

Fallout 3 Isn't Really An RPG

The Difference Between Abstraction and Simulation

All games can be arranged on a single spectrum. On one end, you have abstraction, and on the other, you have simulation.

Abstraction is the idea that you can take something and distill into a simple, easily-understood form. Chess is an abstract game: rather than presenting a real battle, it presents the idea of one. Simulation, on the other hand, is a replication of reality. Total War games offer a greater level of simulation than chess by creating individual units, simulating how they might do damage based on their position in the world, and so on.

Abstractions are often things like taking turns, button combos, regenerating health, and so on. It treats video games as games. Simulation elements tend to focus on things that make the game world a real space, like physics or advanced artificial intelligence. It treats video games as virtual realities.

Fallout 3 Isn't Really An RPG

Most open world games offer abstract scenarios, bite-sized chunks of gameplay set in a larger overworld. Once you know how to defuse a bomb in Arkham Knight, you can simply repeat what you've learned in any bomb-defusing encounter the game presents. Open-world developers take a single action and make a repeatable mini-game out of it.

A chest in Unity simply involves pressing a single button. A tank battle in Arkham Knight limits you to a tiny location and requires you to dodge enemy attacks while firing at them with the Batmobile's main gun. It gets predictable. Players feel obligated to solve over 200 puzzles (two hundred puzzles!) because they want to complete the game (the final scenes in Arkham Knight aren't available until you solve all the puzzles), or because the game has a little meter that essentially says, "Hey. You. You are only 94% complete. You left me unfinished!"

Bethesda's games are closer to simulations than abstractions. Check out this world map:

Fallout 3 Isn't Really An RPG

At first, it might look like any other open-world game. You've got a map, you've got markers on the map. No big difference, right?

The difference from traditional open-world is that these are all distinct locations, rather than discrete events. You won't happen upon a location in the Wasteland only to have someone warn you that leaving the area will cause an event to cease, for instance. You won't be able to predict what you're going to do at any given location simply by looking at its map marker. You might get the general gist, knowing that a vault means underground exploration, for instance, but Vault 108, home to Gary, is very different than Vault 106, the vault of hallucinations.

I've come across rooms in Fallout 3 where, long before, drug-addled psychos had attempted to climb the walls with plungers, falling to their deaths. I found a bizarre grocery store that had been converted into a Rube Goldberg machine. I once stumbled across a cave by accident; inside, I found a large recreational facility for raiders, which included prison cells stuffed with children's toys and female mannequins with big, red light bulbs replacing their breasts. I've stumbled across completely abandoned villages and piles of corpses. As I was writing this, I watched a pack of Super Mutants shoot down a Vertibird.

They're locations, not minigames. Each place has its own sense of history.

What this means is that, when you see something pop up on your compass, you have no idea what you're going to get into when you get there. You are an inhabitant of Fallout 3's world, which means that every location is new, fresh, and interesting. No two areas play out the exact same way, even if they have the same elements. Nothing is predictable.

But what about Fallout 3's other inhabitants?

Fallout 3 Isn't Really An RPG

A World That Lives And Breathes Without You

If you've played a game like Grand Theft Auto V, you know just how crazy car crashes can get. Of course, you also know that it doesn't really matter, because none of the people involved are 'actually' people. You can't follow them to their homes or jobs, and even if you could, most of the buildings in GTA aren't actually buildings for these people to inhabit. They're boxes dressed to look like buildings.

Most open-world video games present a breathtaking virtual tableau, but that's all it is. Visually, Fallout 3's world seems simplistic itself, but what it lacks in detailed graphics, it more than makes up for in its world. The people of Fallout 3 live their own lives. One character, for instance, wakes up every morning, eats breakfast for an hour, goes to work, then returns home to sleep. Hundreds of other characters in the world act just as he does, living, breathing, eating, sleeping, and even dying, all entirely independent of you. Some characters 'spawn' in a more traditional sense, but a massive number of characters are simply people going about their lives in the Capital Wasteland.

As if that weren't enough, Bethesda takes this a step further, simulating not just bodies, but body parts. One thing that sets Fallout 3 apart from every other first-person game in the world is the VATS system, a real-time adaptation of turn-based gameplay. Fallout 3 allows you to target individual enemy body parts: shoot one enemy in the leg, and he'll begin limping. Shoot another in her arm, and she'll drop her gun. You can even shoot the gun! If it breaks, your opponent will have to switch to something else.

Fallout 3 Isn't Really An RPG

Even better, enemies might loot a fallen friend, using their potentially better weapons against you. Ever seen anything like that in Assassin's Creed? Fallout 3 enemies have varying levels of courage as well. If you hurt some enemies enough, you'll frighten them and they will flee.

Some characters take lengthy journeys through the world; you can follow James, the player character's father, through the world in real-time after rescuing him from Vault 112. Merchants that roam the wastelands often have set paths between settlements where they can run afoul of super mutants, raiders, or wildlife.

Even when life isn't completely simulated, it still gives the impression of a real world. Certain areas in New Vegas, Obsidian's follow-up to Bethesda's Fallout 3, spawn the same monsters in the same locations every single time. It feels more like a traditional game: you know exactly which zones will have you fighting exactly the same mix of half a dozen deathclaws every time. Fallout 3 populates its world in a way that feels much more natural. Yao guai, for instance, will show up the further away you get from downtown DC. Super Mutants live throughout the DC area.

It makes sense that the super mutants would hole up in irradiated ruins, while the wildlife would stick to the wilds outside. New Vegas uses predictable enemy types to establish zones that only players of certain levels can enter — a more abstract approach to world design. The games may seem virtually identical, utilising many of the same assets and running on the same engine, but they're very different.

Bethesda's open-world games do things with AI and population that other games don't even attempt, and the result is a world that feels more vibrant and alive.

Fallout 3 Isn't Really An RPG

There's a History Here

By 1980 or so, RPGs began to evolve, with two distinct schools of design. Origin's Ultima heads towards more simulation-oriented design, and their other games, like Wing Commander, follow suit. Interplay, Black Isle, and Bioware, on the other hand, focus more on translating traditional, abstract RPG structure into video game mechanics.

One developer, Looking Glass, had this crazy idea that they could combine the simulation components of the flight simulators they were making with the adventuring elements of an RPG. The result, Ultima Underworld — yes, it's related to Ultima — ended up being one of the most influential games of all time, with games from Portal to Dead Space to Bioshock owing something to it. Ultima Underworld even had an impact on Bethesda.

You can see the RPG elements in Looking Glass' games; System Shock 2, for instance, gave players "cyber modules," which worked like skill points, allowing players to upgrade at various stations throughout the terminals. Despite this, Looking Glass' games often downplayed the traditional RPG elements, seeking to remove the abstractions from them, pushing simulation elements instead.

They had effectively created a new genre entirely. It had RPG elements, but wasn't really an RPG. It had simulation elements, but it wasn't a simulator. They called it the "immersive sim."

Some people argue that Bethesda doesn't make very good RPGs, especially fans of the Obsidian-developed Fallout: New Vegas, and that's fine, because Bethesda doesn't make RPGs. They make immersive sims.

In other words…

Fallout 3 Isn't Really An RPG

Fallout 3 is not an RPG

RPGs and immersive sims both focus on the same general idea that the player is free to interact in a world as they see fit. RPGs are more abstract, relying on obvious statistics and dice rolls to determine what happens and how. Immersive sims attempt to simulate all of this, keeping the abstract numbers in the background.

Fallout 3 and Fallout: New Vegas appeal to very different crowds for precisely this reason. If you're into the immersion, you're probably going to enjoy Fallout 3's brilliantly-designed world. If you're an RPG fan, New Vegas is probably your thing.

Fallout 3 doesn't really break the rules, it just follows a different set. Fallout 3 is neither RPG nor open-world sandbox. It's a game born from the immersive sim offshoot of RPGs. Fallout 3 is a great game because everything it does works towards the goal of creating a living, breathing world. What's cooler than that?

GB Burford is a freelance journalist and indie game developer who just can't get enough of exploring why games work. You can reach him on Twitter at @ForgetAmnesia or on his blog. You can support him and even suggest games to write about over at his Patreon.


    It's 3rd and first person perspective

      "It's 3rd and first person perspective"

      Yep my immediate thought as well. Part of why I love Bethesda's stuff is having the choice, in my case FP every time.

    RPG = Role Playing Game.

    You are playing the role of a vault survivor, from birth, stats, growing path (level up), making choices.

    It is still an RPG to the core.

      Yeah, none of the arguments have anything to do with whether a game is an RPG or not.

      Yeah this writer seems to be giving his own very wrong interpretation to what RPG means.

      But it's now 2015, people who play Candy Crush are 'gamers' and a game that's the pinnacle of role playing is not an RPG anymore.

      Be more progressive dude and get with the times. :P

      By loose definition every game is an RPG. You play the role of someone else. But I agree, Fallout 3 is absolutely an RPG.

      It’s not a Role Playing Game at all!

      It’s an immersive simulation of a fictional character who you control interactively.
      How on earth is that anything like a Role Playing Game? Sheesh!

      I agree with you there 100%! I don't think the guy knows what he's talking about... You play as a vault dweller who levels up in time like upgrading your SPECIAL skills, adding/ upgrading new perks and such. You can switch perspectives to what your heart contends. No one ever force you to play just in 1st person or 3rd person...

    I just never seem to run out of new stuff to see in this game.

    A recent favorite. In the toilets, there's some garden gnomes balanced on toilet seats. Leaning against them are placards that say, "We're dying assholes." Great stuff.

    Read this on the US site over the weekend. Interesting but flawed perspective, this is most definitely an RPG, but what an RPG is changes and molds itself to the narrative (hence the varying degrees of difference between this, any Final Fantasy iteration and an MMORPG).

      Yeah, it only rings true if you are depending on a very old idea of RPG's that hasn't been the norm for a very long time.

      Honestly it's a really good article, right until it makes a completely unsupported leap to its thesis statement.

      At no point does it try to define what an RPG is, eventually just taken it as given that it is defined by abstraction when the same can be said of gaming as a whole.


    Because the little category boxes that we shove games into are super-duper important...

      It's a strategy role playing first person racer puzzle game ... I think.

    If I define dogs as tall, four legged animals with long snouts and shaggy coats, then I can make a really good argument that a bulldog is not a dog.

    I think that while it is a bit of a hybrid, Fallout 3 is CLEARLY an RPG in spirt and intention.
    To call it anything else is a huge stretch which requires you to ignore the commonly held understanding of what a Role Playing Game is and should be.

    RPG is a broad and occasionally confusing term, but it’s a sh*tload better than “immersion sim”. I’d argue that anything first person is an ‘immersion sim’.


      It's a shame really because the article is well written and has some cool points. The conclusion feels contrived to the point that it just tries to be controversial to drive clicks and comments.

        Hehe, I was going to say that but I didn’t want to come across as overly critical.
        You’re right though, the point is contrived and unnecessary to the point where you have to assume it’s click-bait.

        Fallout 3 is amazing and the analysis of the finer points of the game and how they differ from other titles is really interesting. It is still an RPG at its core though.

        I am a million exciteds for Fallout 4, that’s for sure. I can’t remember the last time I was this excited about an individual title.

      I'm so glad I scrolled down to the comments. Feel like people actually read this article. I'm all for critically exploring what we already know but this seemed half-hearted. Like it was an arbitrary perspective that went way too far in attempting to objectively justify itself. Should've gotten to a point early on where they realised straws were very much being grasped at.

    None of the things above have anything to do with exploding the enemy position or armoured vehicle at 900 meters.

      That said I think you definitively proved that Fallout 3 isn't an RPG much better than the article.

    Definitely an interesting read, but aside from putting far too much weight in trying to define video games with unhelpful categories (you can call pretty much any game an RPG if you're controlling a character...) in the traditional sense Fallout 3 is most definitely a sandbox and an RPG. To say otherwise is to attempt to redefine the terms in a way that doesn't help their purpose in the slightest.

    Citation needed, otherwise its just another click bait article...

    Its like me saying that Kotaku isn't really a video games website or Kotaku's writers aren't really journalists... its either an opinion piece, a click bait or I need to provide citation and references to establish myself as some sort of authority on the subject...

    Given the fact that a journalist should be well aware that even their opinion pieces can influence decision making process and perception of others, some responsibility is expected.

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    Some say Fallout 3 isn't really a Fallout.


      It's a game that bears very little resemblance to the first 2, made and published by an entirely different team. It's hardly unreasonable to think that it doesn't count as a legitimate entry in the series.

      No matter what side you fall on it is entirely unreasonable to insult someone based on their opinion.

        You should throw that last line at the people who think Fallout 3 isnt a legitimate entry.
        They seem to not understand that.

    To me, the defining characteristics of RPGs are player chosen character progression, and that battle outcomes are determined by simulation based on the character and equipment statistics of the parties involved.

    Fallout 3 definitely meets the player directed character progression requirement, and VATS is an obvious example of stat driven combat simulation. Even if you don't use VATS, the stats still affect the outcome of the battle: higher accuracy weapons are more likely to hit whatever is under the cross hairs, and equipment and armour stats will affect the damage.

    It's not an RPG.

    ... it's an Alpha Romeo.

    It most certainly is an RPG.

    The sad thing about this article is that just as many people would have read it without the click bait title. It could have been an interesting exploration of different types of open world and rpg mechanics.

    The author wouldn't have had to force the laughably incorrect assertion that fallout 3 is not an RPG. The funny thing is that this article outlines why it is an exemplary RPG with quality world building and realistic characters (not to mention dynamic relationships, reputation and moral alignment).

    Still, I expect more from Kotaku (even though the site is mostly about Japanese junk food and i09 links)

    Some say he's an RPG, and others say he's a Simulation. All we know is, he's called the Stig

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