Ten Things That Sucked About Star Wars: The Force Awakens

"Worst...Cosmic Wars...Ever! I will only see it three more times. Today."

[Warning: Major Force Awakens spoilers below! If you haven't seen the new movie yet, run away!]

By all accounts, Star Wars: The Force Awakens is a pretty rad movie. It has likable and engaging new characters, brilliantly choreographed action sequences and plenty of knowing winks to lifelong fans. Plus, it actually felt fun — an element that was sorely lacking from the prequels.

However, this Jabba-sized success story is not without its warts. We have a few issues with the movie and some of them are fairly significant.

We think its important to talk about this stuff. By calling out the flaws now, there's a chance we can make the next chapter in the trilogy even better. After all, nobody told Lucas that Jedi kind of sucked, and look what happened next.

So without further ado, here are ten things that Star Wars: The Force Awakens completely fumbled.

A New Hope 2.0

Episode VII's "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" approach to screenwriting often bordered on derivative. We basically got a xerox of the first movie with a few character rearrangements. From the cute droid on a secret recon mission to the destruction of the Star Killer/Death Star, most of the key plot points felt incredibly familiar. I was half-expecting Han Solo to whisper "Use the Force, Rey!" during her climactic battle with Kylo Ren.

Hopefully, the next chapter will move in a fresher direction. What we don't want is a tired retread of Empire. If Kylo drops an "I am your brother" bombshell on Rey, I'm totally going to walk out of the cinema.

Plot holes a-go go!

Yeah, yeah, we get that you're supposed to leave your brain at the door with these kinds of movies. Nevertheless, some of the story inconsistencies and leaps of logic are difficult to ignore. Here are some examples off the top of our head:

How does Rey understand Wookie and why does nobody else comment on this? Why does everyone in the First Order seem to instantly recognise Finn, a lowly janitor who always wore a helmet in battle? Why was Rey guarded by a single M19 agent/Stormtrooper? Why did the bad guys build another super weapon with an easily exploitable flaw? How did Phasma and Kylo escape the exploding planet after being tossed in a trash compactor and disappearing into the woods, respectively? Why does R2-D2 suddenly wake up at the end? Why did the good guys send some random girl to give Luke his lightsaber rather than, say, his sister or any notable member of the Resistance?

Also, if you want to get really nerdy, it's not possible to suck all of a star’s energy into a terrestrial weapon. As Neil Degrasse Tyson explains, this would vaporize the planet.

Too much trilogy setup

Like most other modern movie franchises, The Force Awakens was too preoccupied with setting up the next installment when it should have been telling a standalone story. Too many plot points were left unexplained or were alluded to via a sprinkling of obnoxious breadcrumbs. It's okay to do this in sequels, but the first movie in your trilogy should be all about the here and now.

Take A New Hope, for example — there were no cameos from the Emperor, no vague magical foretellings and no allusions to future events. Instead, it just got on with the present adventure. The only nod to a sequel it made was the escape of Darth Vader: otherwise, you could happily just watch that one movie and feel like you'd seen a complete story.

Way too many in-jokes

We're all for "fan service" when it serves the story — the Millennium Falcon reveal was a great fist-pumping moment, for example. However, we can't help but feel that the movie went way overboard in this department. From Finn messing around with the Holochess board to "I have a bad feeling about this", the constant barrage of in-jokes and OT references felt cheesy and unnecessary. If a first-time Star Wars viewer is confused or distracted by something, it's probably too on the nose.

Captain Phasma

The Force Awakens had some fascinating villains - we particularly liked the mercurial Kylo Ren and acerbic General Hux. But the highly-touted Captain Phasma was a complete waste. It makes zero sense to hire a phenomenal actress with major "geek cred" like Gwendoline Christie and then barely use her. She also failed to do anything remotely menacing and capitulated at the first sign of trouble.

Her general uselessness in all things has been compared to Boba Fett, but at least that character had some central bearing to Empire's plot (he captured Han Solo, after all.) By contrast, you could remove all of Phasma's scenes without affecting the story in the slightest. Cool armour, rubbish character.

Confusing politics

At the end of Return Of The Jedi, the Empire was defeated and a new age of peace was ushered in by the Republic. In The Force Awakens, the political climate is never properly explained. Is the First Order in control of the galaxy or are they just a newly emerged threat? Why are the Resistance called "the Resistance" if the Republic is still in power? What is the First Order actually trying to achieve?

The Star Wars prequels were roundly criticised for being overly preoccupied with political maneuvering, but The Force Awakens went too far in the other direction. It's hard to care about the stakes when the playing field is a mystery.

Casting the guys from The Raid and then never using them

This one is just annoying to chop-socky fans. For those who don't prescribe to martial arts movies, the Kanjiklub mercenaries who hijack Han Solo's ship included Yayan Ruhian and Iko Uwais; two of the principle ass-kickers from Gareth Evans' The Raid and its sequel. In addition to starring in those movies, they also coordinated the astonishing fight scenes. And yet all they did here was run away from a CGI squid monster. Tch.

Harrison was ancient

There's no getting around the fact that Harrison Ford is getting too old for this shit. He looked comically decrepit for an action hero in Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull — and that was seven years ago. In every action sequence there were moments where his advanced age was painfully obvious. The filmmakers should have CGI'd his noggin onto a stunt double for all the running scenes. (Given the budget, this easily could have been pulled off convincingly.) Presumably, J.J was too scared/respectful to broach the topic with Ford. A shame.

Rey was too perfect

Whoa, put down the pitch forks, people! I like Rey as much as the next person. The Star Wars universe was in sore need of a capable, proactive and take-no-shit heroine. I just think they overdid it a bit. She can speak "droid" and Wookie. She's a bad ass with a staff. She is a mechanic prodigy. She even teaches herself the Force and beats Kylo Ren in a lightsaber duel. Plus, she is physically, morally and intellectually flawless.

Granted, we don't know her full backstory yet, but as a standalone movie character, Rey is too damn perfect. By contrast, Han, Luke, Leia and even Obi-Wan had notable flaws. Rey feels like she was designed by committee to have as much mass appeal as possible. Along the way, she lost some of her believability.

They killed off my childhood hero

The heartless bastards. *Sniff*

Agree? Disagree? Share your thoughts about the movie in the comments section below.


    Not sure about the point about Harrison Ford's age. Yeah, he's old, the character is also old. He's SUPPOSED to be old - it's 30-whatever years later. I thought he was great.

      Almost literally if you take the ROTJ release date (Oct 27, 1983) to now. 32 years between it.

      I have no issue with him being the "right" age. The problem is that they wanted us to believe he was still a swashbuckling smuggler. Harrison moves like an old rich guy.

        They wanted us to believe he was an OLD swashbuckling smuggler. And like he said, once the thing with Leia didn't work out, swashbuckling smuggler was all he knew, so it's all he had to go back to.

        I got the feeling that he was old and couldn't keep up with the swashbuckling. I.E. exactly what you are describing as a negative, I think served what they were trying to do with the character. He is old and washed up and should either retire or die fighting. He did exactly that... I think him being younger would have contradicted the things that lead to his death.

          Did I miss something? Solo didn't retire or die fighting, he just stood there while his emo brat plunged a light saber into him. Most pointless death for a fav character ever.

            He was old but didn't retire, which was my point. He died on the job, even though he was clearly struggling to keep up.

            Yeah, it was a little meh, but that worked for 'why' he died and the circumstances around his death. (And TBH, I would blame the film making for not portraying the emotional gravitas that the scene needed, not the narrative).

            Having him go the way he did was more meaningful than him getting shafted in a blaze of glory like Porkins and co.

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        Lucas waited way too long to do 7, 8, 9 because of the prequel backlash. 2001 would have been a perfect year instead of the prequels.

        But anyways, there are 10 million things wrong with this movie instead of 10. They totally Disney-fied it--TFA belongs on Disney XD after Power Rangers, not on the silver screen.

        It was so bad it would have been better if Lucas remade Howard the Duck starring Jar Jar--literally. I came out of the theatre wishing the movie had starred/dir. by Kevin Smith and was called The Revenge of Cockknocker.

        This will go down as the worst Stars Wars until 8 and 9 come out. I remember when TPM came out people were crying--literally full-on tear-streaming--and that had Liam Neeson, Ewan Mcgregor, and Darth Maul. This movie stars random unknowns confused about whether they are on stage doing a play or a Nickelodeon comedy-skit.

        Star Wars is DEAD.

          So sad, but you are right! Star Wars is dead?

          Totally agree with you! 110%!

          This is so true!!!!
          Mickey Mouse has killed Star Wars!
          Should have been an animated show on Disney channel.
          I never felt so empty and cheated leaving a movie.
          When Solo died I was actually glad, putting a almost dead animal down is humane.
          CRAP movie!
          I would go on but the force has left me...

          Thank God I only spent $2 on it at [email protected] I dnt have to go to the damn theater and spending 10 $15 on this shit!!

          Agreed, Before VII, any Star Wars movies was a must see in the theatre. VII for the first time made me question this and makes me want to hear reviews after VII comes out before I'll decide whether or not to see it in the theatre.

      I thought Harrison was great and it was good to see young and old protagonists fighting together. Plot holes aside it was the Ford and Princess Leia scenes that briefly pulled me out of the movie plus the resistance fighter pilots who couldn't deliver their one liners. Still overall it's a lot of fun.

      I didn' t like the bad guys. The son of Han Solo doesn't have personality. The new "emperor" sucks. The new ( and absurd) death star sucks. Han solo is the best character of starwars, but the force awakens is a crap. Can a bad remake like the force awakens win prizes? I don' know. Can a bad movie like the force awakenst make 1000 million of dolars in the box office? Of course. AVATAR is a better movie than the force awakens. No doubt.

        I almost cried when I saw Han Solo's son. Really? He is soooo ugly. He looks nothing like Han. Who the heck is the pilot what? He also has no personality and Finn? We don't need a comedian he was way too funny. Aren't the storm troopers supposed to be clones, we are not supposed to know what they look like.

          Apparently they also recruited for Storm Troopers at some point. Hell of a lot cheaper to hire someone than build them I would think.

          Finn isnt a clone trooper. plus we know what the clone troopers look like. since the main source was Jango Fett. Finn was taken from his family when he was very young.

          They are soldiers trained since infancy. Which would mean he wouldn't have much of a personality.

      Yea i thought he was great too ....especially when he gets skewered with a lightsaber

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    Also - that had to be the easiest million bucks (or however much he got) that Mark Hammill ever made.

      You just know he has been practicing that scene for the last 30 years.

        Hoping the big day to show us how good he is to stand still in silence.

        What an amazing time to be alive.

      Why didn't then have him slowly force grab his sabre at the end. Why!!!

        Do you mean the blue sabre? Becuase that is Anakin's which was left to, Luke but his sabre is the one he built on his own in ROTJ the green one.

          oh. Still would of been cool.

        Also I think in the next movie he will show his reluctance to teach Rey the force. He failed with Kylo Ren/Ben so it'd make sense for them to add a "I don't teach anymore" plotline. Hence his disappearance.

          Ray is going to be Luke's daughter what's why she was able to use the Force Like she did. But big problem is the name hon and Leah's son is Jacen solo and not Ben solo. Plus Jacen had a twin sister that according to the books is to kill him.

            Nope, Lord Methos. The EU isn't connected to TFA.

    Every character has a history that is either hinted at or explained. Finn is the only character we do not currently understand on some level. We understand him as he is now - but who is he? Why did he break the conditioning?? Why is he always either running from danger or to it??? Regardless of all this I'm most interested in hearing more of his story and most fearful that his will be the most wasted of all.

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        I bet Poe is force sensitive too. There were several mentions of how great a pilot he is, and I suspect that will be the reason why.

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          Wedge Antilles survived the Battle of Yavin, Battle of Hoth and the Battle of Endor in the OT and was clearly the best fighter pilot (apart from Luke) and was not force sensitive. You don't have to be force sensitive to be a great pilot.

            But why rub our face in it? There will be a reason his status as the best is made known to us repeatedly.

              Because they want us to know he's the bestest fighterer pilotter dude ever, I guess?

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              I don't know... Han Solo was the best pilot in the galaxy back in the day. It was never explained why - he never seemed particularly Force-sensitive, nor did he ever become Jedified.

              Sometimes people are just good pilots without needing assistance from the Force. Like Maverick in Top Gun, for example.

                But not so much Goose...

                  don't forget karaoke singing too...wonder if those two things are related?

              They rub our face in it for the same reason they rub 'all the nostalgia' in our faces, too. They want to be like the OT, but better in every way.

              It's all one-upmanship. They need to have Rey be a better Luke, Poe be a better Wedge, Finn be a better Han (this is absolutely true, don't doubt me), Starkiller be a better Death Star.

      Well, there was that tiny bit about Finn (And the other troopers) being taken from his family when he was young, unless I'm mistaken. Other than that, yeah not much.

    Here's my beef: 30 years later and they are still flying TIE fighters, X-Wings and (modified) Star Destroyers. The prequels had vastly different tech, why the shit aren't the sequels towing the line? If there is war, there is R&D in weapons and vehicles guaranteed.

    "Hey, let's build another awesome planet based killer weapon, but defend it with the same unshielded pieces of shit that couldn't even defend the last two properly! Brilliant!"

    I want my vast fleets of cheap TIE Defenders goddamit!!

      To be fair, the whole thing was shielded, it was only Han's idea to come out of light-speed within the shield that was the downfall.
      30 years isn't a huge amount of time for military hardware, we are still flying F-18 hornets that we purchased in 1981.
      Sure tech moves fast during a war, but war had already been waging, the Empire left in tatters, and the rebellion was just a small group and the government had been taken out by the Death Star, along with the planet, so resources, manufacturing and organisation would have been at a pretty low level.

        For the rebels maybe, but the Imperials had existing and widely spread construction capabilities, not to mention other fleets. I can't help but think it was all for the sake of fan service, nothing more.

        It's hard to argue the point, not knowing how the 30 year gap played out. I can only base my assumptions on the EU, which has largely been wiped off the map by Disborg.

          They may have had widely spread construction, but with the head cut off the empire, and rebellion everywhere it could easily have quickly been over-run by locals, local warlords springing up etc. and fighting amongst themselves etc. Looking at world history that sort of thing can happen pretty quickly.

          Tie Defenders or Tie Advanced(s) would be great. But I think they just kept the core Tie Fighter and X wing designs because this is effectively a reboot for a new generation of viewers. Get them to fall in love with the designs so they can go back to watch 4, 5 and 6 and cheer at those designs as well.

          I'm not sure why the Empire/First Order chose to have two seated Tie Fighters though. Seems kind of a weird decision. Especially when they had the Tie Interceptors from ROTJ and Tie Bombers from Empire.

          At least the X wing has a small change in their intakes(even though it was the initial concept art from the original Star Wars), but at least we can see a little progression. I'd rather see X wings then B Wings though(sorry to the B Wing fans out there. :P)

            X-Wings are a pretty fucking perfect fighter though? Missile capabilities, hyperdrive, shields, manoeuvrability.
            And the Ties are just super cheap number fodder.

              Just need a rear facing gun ;^)

            This is pretty much the point I was making. It's just a design decision for the fans. Who knows, perhaps the "new" ships pack all the features from their upgraded counterparts? Maybe these TIE's do have shields? Only Disney knows...

              According to the stats TIE/FOs have in the X-Wing miniature game, they do have shields.

                That never used to be the case. Original model TIE's had no combat shields as a trade off for more speed.

                  That's true, but later on in the EU, when the Empire realised that increasing the survivability of their veteran fighter pilots was actually a good thing, they started developing TIEs with shields like the TIE Defender and the TIE Phantom.

                  It was also more of a cost factor to not have shields on the original TIEs. It ties a bit into the Remnant mentality; since you don't have an effectively infinite manpower pool to draw pilots and crew from, you would want to take steps to allow them to survive engagements better. Heck, the TIE/FO had ejection seats, and that's something else the original TIEs didn't either.

                  There are two new Tie models present in TFA, you have the Tie/FO which is essentially a modernized take on the old tie fighters (Some shielding, improved speed ect), and the Tie/SF which is what Finn and Poe stole at the start, two seater Tie model, shields and rear facing turret.

                  As for the X-wings, the model in the film is the T-70, it actually sacrifices armour and payload for improved speed over the Original Trilogy's T-65 X-wings.
                  It's not seen in the movie, but there is supposedly a T-80 X-wing variant in use by the Republic.

                  To clear up any confusion regarding the Republic and the Resistance. The Republic and First Order have a treaty that enforces heavy restrictions on both sides in regards to the size and types of ships they can build and the size of their fleets (The star destroyer you see in TFA is litterally one of a bare few the first order own, hence why they built starkiller in secret to take out the republic).
                  It's due to this treaty that Leia has started a Private military force called "The Resistance" to keep *both* factions in check (to prevent another Palpatine-like tyrant rising to power), though they obviously have a closer eye on the First Order.
                  The Resistance is pretty much broke during TFA and only survives due to the secret backing of several Republic senators and wealthy individuals.


            you noticed manifold and intake differences?! lol love it

            You must have had Puzz3d Xwing!

          What if, the way that tech advances, the designs from Jedi were already pretty advanced or refined and so there is't as much left for improving to make the ships better?

          Or the fact that they went back to the original movies concept art to where the X-wings had engines that separate when the wings open.

          I'd believe a bit of both lol ;)

          Edit: Don't know too much about the ties, but my gut feel is that the strait wings are easier to mass produce on site (I.E like the Deathstar or Starkiller base) and construct, like Lego. Could be why we see more tie fighters and less of the more complex interceptors, which did look more incrementally improved from memory than the standard tie's.

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            Yeah... with a design like that, those TIE fighters could practically come flat-packed like Ikea furniture. They seem flimsy enough for it, too :P

              Well I remember seeing them in parts in the Force Unleashed. Yeah. As you say, pretty Swedish looking.

          But the new TIE fighter were more advanced.
          They had atmosphere generators and radiation shielding unlike the originals that required space flight suits and oxygen tanks.
          Pretty sure the new ones are also faster than the originals and more capable in planetary environment.
          They might of even had shields and hyperdrive actually come to think of it...

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        Little off topic, but you reminded me: I wasn't a massive fan of how they did certain things more than once (And too heavy handily IMO for it to count as foreshadowing in some cases).

        Certain characters fell into tropes, Finn unfortunately fell into a comedy trope IMO, which is OK. But he was used for the same type of comedic relief, much like *shudders* C3PO, which got old fast. And they used lite-speed to do something against incredible odds twice. Once to escape the pirate dudes and once to enter the Starkiller. (The Starkiller? Starkiller Base?)

        Still, hard to linger on the negatives though when it was still so much ore enjoyable (IMO) than the prequels.

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        18 years? Pfft.

        B-52 type bombers have been in service since 1955. They aren't going away any time soon. The design has changed a little over the years, but still recognizable.

      They spent all their R&D money on the awesome planet based killer weapon. Nothing left to spend on new TIE fighters, and since the other side are still flying the same old X-Wings then there wasn't really an arms race to motivate them to improve the TIE fighters.

      Or something.

        The TIES and X-Wings are newer models though.

          Well, yeah, but you know... it's like when Toyota release a new Camry or whatever. Yeah, it looks a bit different, maybe has a few minor improvements around the place, but it's still a Camry.

            They can't improve them much more because they are nearly perfect................ly like the original movies concept art. (The X-wings anyway)

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      Let us not forget the MASSIVE dent in human resources when most of the Engineering / Construction contractors and talent were killed during destruction of Death Star 2.0

        That's a good point, actually.

        And where did they find the construction workers? You'd think every labour union in the galaxy would have blacklisted them after the 2nd Death Star incident.

          Slaves and robots don't have unions.

            If they didn't have a union then that second Death Star would have been finished well before the rebels got there :P

          When you use slave labour, like Wookies, it's hard for the union to say no to any employer demands, you know.

        Thanks for that original though that is totally not from Clerks or anything.

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      Different versions of Tie Fighters that now seated 2 people, a pilot and a gunner instead of the single seater version, making them superior to the older ones as they had rotating turrets on them now. The XWings were newer versions as well.

      The Star Desroyers were different too, not to mention the shuttles.

      Where is the kickstarter to design, and build a tie fighter? What's so hard about a Soyuz capsule, a pair of hexagonal solar panels, and a NASA ion drive? We could dock it at the iss, and now elon musk has reduced the price of a trip to the space station to six hundred thousand dollars, enjoy blowing the kids college tuition on something meaningful: tie fighter racing around the moon.

      Agree! I want TIE defenders! Are the life of Imperial Navy cheap??
      Give more budgets to CGI team, cut the payment for Ford!
      Save the Imperial Pilots' life! Their families are crying~

      Probably because the war ended after rotj. The republic wanted peace so didn't invest in weaponry and the remnants of the empire are too small and don't have the treasure.

    Phasma is fine, not every character has to have a big story right away, it would have detracted from the time left to tell the rest of the story, and sets up a grudge between Finn and Phasma. I really liked the restraint shown here.

    As for the fan-service, I flt it was just about the right amount, my daughter never was into the original movies (she is 15) and she wasn't confused by any of the references to the old movies, there was nothing in them that detracted/confused for a first time viewer.

    Harrison is old, so is the character, I don't see a problem there.

    Rey speaking Wookie and Droid is okay, she is on a trading hub surrounded by a large range of creatures and droids, I can buy that. Yeah she is kinda over-skilled, but then again, she looks strong with the Force, so that probably helps. I liked that Finn struggled to get as good at things as quickly, like his trouble with the defense of the Millenium Falcon, whereas Luke had no problem getting to grips with it more quickly - fits the existing SW universe where people that are strong with the Force get good at stuff quickly.

    The ANH 2.0 is a fair complaint, but I like that they chose to effectively make it a soft reboot, I think any other choice would have been more problematic.

    I didn't realise it was the guys from The Raid, that does seem a waste, I get the feeling there may have been more here that ended up on the editing room floor.

    As for the confusing politics, it made sense to me, the end of Jedi (the 1983 version) just had them celebrating the end of the Emporer, Darth and the new Death Star, the Empire still would have weilded a shitload of power, so I thought it seemed realistic that the galaxy was how it was.
    I'm glad they didn't get bogged down explaining too much, the original movies didn't explain everything either, which made it seem far more real, as people don't go around explaining the world/universe and how it works. It also leaves plenty of space for the new movies to reveal it as part of the story instead of boggy exposition.

    Setting up the trilogy? Again, I thought they were pretty restrained, it was a self contained story, sure it wasn't tied up in a neat bow, but apart from the bit at the very end, it really was a complete story, but one that made you really want to come back to the universe and find out more of the story and what happens to everyone.

    The movie had a ton of flaws, just like the original trilogy, I reckon there were worse flaws than the ones mentioned here, but I'm not going to dwell on them much, I enjoyed the movie like we used to when we were kids, it made me believe it was all real for a few hours, and I want to go back there again soon!

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        I see your point, I think the 30 year gap though needs to unfold slowly as the films progress, having the characters expound the history of the last 30 years may have felt forced or dull or both.
        I'd prefer the films to be primarily about the now, the history in between can be hinted at, and for the audience and amongst my friends anyway, it is a great area of discussion and supposition, which is something missing from movies for the last decade. I remember talking about movies for *months* after they were out, discussing and arguing with my friends, it is a joy to be doing that again.
        It did feel like there was a lot of history there, from the crashed ships, to the main characters thinking that perhaps Luke, the Jedi etc. were just myths and the world seemed a logical progression. I'm sure once the official history is revealed, either in the movies or in other works, that some of it will be somewhat reworked from the EU, there was so much material that there would be no way to not end up with some similar stories, even if the new writers were unaware of them.

          It would have helped if the opening crawl had given the new factions more depth beyond just listing their names, while rambling about Luke for 3 paragraphs.

      There was a point I saw earlier which I found really fair, in using Phasma to be the trooper Finn uses the lightsaber against, rather than just an average trooper who just happened to have this huge, saber resistant mace hanging off his belt. If nothing else, it could have given her a little more.

    Pretty much. I really hope that the whole trilogy isn't a retread of the original trilogy but I can see it coming. Rey is totally going to be Kylo's brother (at the worst, cousin). Luke is going to be the Yoda style mentor to Rey. There's going to be the whole family revelation between Rey and whoever decides to pipe up. The big hologram dude is more than like the Emperor in a clone body. Luke's not actually going to do anything (like Yoda). I really don't want any of this to be the case but I have a strong feeling that it will be.

    I want to see Luke go crazy nuts and actually be a badass. I want to see Phasma actually do SOMETHING. I want to see Rey being pegged down a bit because, yes, they overdid the whole strong heroine thing. Yes Luke quickly learned how to use the force, but he had loads of flaws in his character. Rey has...none? That's why I didn't find her likable.

    And yeah, I also had no idea what the political stage was for the film. The rebels won. But they're still rebels. Some form of history over the last 30 years would be good. There also wasn't any buildup that I saw of the starkiller. All of a sudden some random Imperial, sorry, First Order general (Bill Weasley stepped up from training dragons btw) was in control of a planet sized weapon. Where did that come from? The Deathstar had a decent buildup to it in IV. This was just shoehorned in to blow up planets and, again, build a bridge to the original trilogy.

    Abrams is great at action. Brilliant. Someone else needs to take control over the plot direction and screenplay though.

    I still enjoyed it loads. Go figure

      Well they've got different writers/directors for episodes 8 and 9, similar to how the original trilogy also had a different director for each episode.

      I've got very high hopes for Rian Johnson's episode 7 - I loved Brick and Looper, and enjoyed The Brothers Bloom. Those are much more plot/dialogue driven movies rather than action / special-effects extravaganzas.

      Colin Trevorrow doing episode 9... he's done a big effects movie (Jurassic World) and a good smaller-scale drama/comedy (Safety Not Guaranteed). Whether he can actually combine those two aspects into a single, great Star Wars movie remains to be seen.

        The one thing that was really evident though was the lack of George Lucas and I think that helped a lot. I don't want to think about what he was intending to put into the films before Disney loaded up his wallet and showed him the nearest exit

          The orange Yoda stand-in who ran the smuggler's cantina probably would have been Jar-Jar.

            'Meesa gotten Luke's lightsaber'
            *First Order arrive to bomb the building'
            *Jar-Jar falls over but somehow kills an entire legion of Stormtroopers to great comedic effect*
            'Uh oh. Sowee'
            *The whole cinema collapses from split sides from laughing so much*

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              *dustwind yells "Stop laughing, you imbeciles!" and then does the full Frank 'Grimey' Grimes routine, including self-electrocution to escape the madness.

        I'm also a fan of Rian Johnson, and think he'll do a better job with dialogue and characters. I think his is Episode 8 not 7 though. I'll have to check out The Brothers Bloom, I haven't seen it.

        Apparently, Disney released some kind of material about the intervening 30 years, but I cannot find it. Perhaps it was released to the press only to help with the reviews.

        As an example, this blog http://thewertzone.blogspot.com.au/2015/12/star-wars-force-awakens-questions-and.html which focuses on scriptwriting gives details that weren't in the film.

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    1) Too many stars and not enough war.
    2) Maz "That's a story for another time" Kanta. GO FUCK YOURSELF.
    3) Emperor Palp.. Supreme Leader Snoke.
    4) What does this universe have against railings?
    5) The movie lacked comedy. It needed a character who steps in shit and gets electrocuted.

      Comedy is one thing I think Force Awakens nailed -- Finn had a bunch of very funny moments, Chewie brought the house down and BB-8 managed to be Scrappy Doo without it becoming annoying. The "Nope!" stormtrooper moment during Kylo's tanty was also hilarious.

        that Thumbs Up by BB-8 was on point. i lost my shit way more than i should have.

        Completely agree. The comedy was not the over-the-top physical caperings and associated racist stereotyping of Jar Jar, which I greatly appreciated. Watching episode I again recently was painful because of Jar Jar's antics.

      What does this universe have against railings?

      I have often pondered this myself. Clearly OH&S is not a priority for anybody. Nor is convenience. Like that bit where Rey had to climb down the side of that more-or-less bottomless chasm in order to pull that lever to open the little door to squeeze through - why in gods name would anybody put a lever or a door there?!?!


        There were railings that prevented anyone from falling down off the side down that hole. Funnily enough there were none on the bridge though.

    I want to know the story behind Luke's lightsaber. Last time we saw that, it was tumbling down that giant abyss along with Luke's severed hand at the end of Empire. So who found it? How? Was it a janitor sweeping up down at the bottom there or something?

    If they found the lightsaber, is Luke's hand also laying around somewhere? All dried out and shrivelled up and granting wishes like the monkey's paw?

      And why is it (speculated to be) in the box Old Ben had it in from A New Hope?

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        That might have just been JJ Abrams fan service using the same / similar prop rather than being intended to be the exact same box.

          Maybe, maybe not. I meant it comically either way.

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      The lightsaber would have also been broken into pieces since it fell that far... far beyond repair... Haha... nice mention on his hand... I can imagine his hand being some sacred good luck monkey paw to some neo-Jedi occultists of some kind... :P

    Im hoping rei has been memory wiped and is rediscovering her old powers. Kotor style. Other wise it is stipid how quick she picks things up

      big theory at the moment is that she is Luke's daughter or ren's sister

        If they do that it is way too obvious and just makes star wars feel even more odd how everything is one family

        Well, I believe she's Luke's family from the kinda obvious (if true) line about the light saber being Luke's, and his fathers before him. Why include the line unless you want it to be an heirloom?

        I'm hoping she is related to Obi Wan, but then that kind of defeats the whole R2D2 waking up when her presence is felt scene. At least, that was my take on it.

        Definitely a Skywalker, not a Solo. Why would Han and Leia abandon their daughter? Luke on the other hand abandoned the entire galaxy.

      yes! How much does she remind you of Bastila?
      i hope thats who they based her on. even though technically Bastila turned to the dark side in the end. oh shit, i hope they dont do that to Rey, i like her too much...

        funny thing is the end of jedi at one point was luke turning to the darkside and the assault on the Second Deathstar being a massive Failure

      I think its more in the case she had partial training as a Jedi during Luke's New Jedi Order before Kylo tore it down. She just kept it hidden since there was this whole group called the First Order who were hunting down the supposed 'Last Jedi' and given that you really couldn't trust anyone on the planet, she never used it. She only actively started using it when she had no other choice (ie fighting Kylo's interrogation, the Jedi Mind Trick on Bond which she'd only really know if she had been taught it or seen it before, and finding tranquility in the force for the curbstomp part of the duel)

      So, not forgotten but more her hiding it. My prevailing theory is that she is Luke's daughter, and she met up with Dad at Mum's grave. And she'd been waiting for dad (and mum if she was still alive at the time) to come home after leaving her on Jakku but he never did.

        Not a bad theory, I do agree that the location luke was found will be of some significance, didn't consider it could be a grave site.

    I felt it was too concerned about political correctness at every turn, and in doing so felt more like medicine than cake. It also made it entirely predictable and makes you predict every scenario to their politically correct conclusion. I've seen Disney movies be more controversial.

    After the first act I was (having not seen any spoilers) actually successfully predicting the fights, death(s) and jokes on the first viewing.

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        I enjoyed them, thought the humour was well done.

      How was the movie "too concerned with political correctness at every turn"? At most, you could say that Rey telling Finn not to hold her hand twice was a bit much (though I'd disagree), but how throughout the rest of the movie are there any gratuitous or unnecessary plot developments, conversations or references to gender, race, etc?

        Ding, ding, fucking ding.
        He's just pissed it's not two white dudes, rather than a woman and black dude.

          Please, lets not go as far as to presume he's a xenophobic misogynist. That can be pretty insulting.

          That said, I agree that (other than the, IMO, true to character hand holding thing) it wasn't trying to be politically correct. Yes, they were more inclusive with this one, but they did it in the best possible way: By not hitting you over the head with it or unnecessarily squeezing a characters race or gender into the narrative.

          It was diverse because it could be, not because it 'had' to be. The character's didn't walk around telling off racist/ misogynistic characters (Rey told off Finn because she doesn't need help from anyone, not because he's a man) or broadcasting their politically correct beliefs to make a point or seem inclusive, like sometimes happens in TV/ Film/ Games.

          I enjoyed seeing a star wars with more variety because it makes sense that there is diversity in a galaxy that big. It looked 'right' IMO.

          So bringing earth stuff into something set along time ago in a galaxy far, far away isn't pissing anyone off? I think all the humans needed skin and hair colour that matched their eye colour. Luke could have had blue hair and skin to go with his eye colour.

          Not at all. I see no problem with a Female protagonist nor Finn. When you make all the characters so ideal, you loose personality. I think this applies regardless of race or sex. The Villain was even a stereotypical/perfect (perfectly bad) villain.

          The flaws and imperfections are what creates character and uncertainty. To illustrate, I would like to ask weather you thought K Ren had any chance at beating anyone in that last fight going in?

          A desperate protagonist that starts off small, struggles and beats an unbeatable Villain under overwhelming circumstances, will have a different outlook.

          These characters have nothing on charcters such as Ellen Ripley.

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            How so? Right from the get go we saw Kylo was young, rash, foolish, uncertain and had anger issues. Hardly the stoic cookie cutter villain that was Darth Vader.

    I see a lot of people describing the film as derivative. To be honest, I think that's its strength. I wanted a simple Star Wars story with good characters. That's what I got.

      I agree. It's practically the point of the movie: "the new generation is going to be going through adventures, just like the heroes you remember."

        I doubt the new generation (kids growing up now, who haven't seen any of the others) will have any respect for this property having only seen this.

        If you take Star Wars IP out of this movie, it's an after school special. You know how much kids love those.

        But it does have the YA thing going for it, so I may be wrong. Hunger Games seems to be doing well with the younger generations.

          I'm 27 and went to the midnight screening for the last Hunger Games. "Younger generation" is just you railing at a couple of kids and their snapchats/instagrams/myspaces.

          How was it an "afterschool special"? Seriously?

          And if you take all the Star Wars IP out of the movie, you're left with nothing?

            Yup, I agree. "After-school special" is incredibly harsh, especially when you compare it to other modern Hollywood or Disney movies. Sure it's not ground breaking, but it wasn't ever going to be. It was still competent and entertaining.

            And, also I'm 22 and liked the Hunger Games as well. I'm not a super fan, but I found them all relatively enjoyable, enough so to go see them all when they released. Didn't really enjoy the last one unfortunately.

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              It's not a bad thing. Maybe it's not even a generational thing. But I find Hunger Games and that entire genre despicable (another strong word, sue me!), and replaceable by one good movie. I only saw the first one.

              As I said before "I may be wrong". I wasn't talking about 20 year olds, I was talking about 13 to 16 year olds. That was where the original made a big impact on a lot of kids.

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                It's down to personal taste, but I think you are using yours to stereotype.

                  I concede. You are (politically) correct.

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      Yes, but you can also have a simple Star Wars story with good characters that also wasn't a rehash of A New Hope...

        Borrowing from what's came before isn't a sin, especially not for a franchise. Especially when the movie is aiming to be a 'reboot-reboot' that also gets the fans nostalgic.

          Hey, totally agree, taking elements for nostalgic purposes is great. But this could have been exceptional if they had just been a bit more creative.

            Maybe it would have, but I think the thing to take away from it is just how much better it was than the prequels. The next movie will either be more creative or, being Disney, even safer.

              True, as much as I didnt like this movie it was a step up from the Prequels. The action was great and it actually had some Star based Wars in it so I guess thats a plus.

                Yeah. I liked it in general but it definitely wasn't perfect. I'm still on the fence about some elements, but it's still a step in the right direction.

        You're right. Its totally a rehash, I remember the Jedi Padawan waiting for her family on a desert planet with absolutely no desire to leave that. And who can forget the sequence where the Clone Trooper defected from the empire? Or the Ice planet in a New Hope, or the time they were running around a forest?

        There are some minor elements which are in both, and nods, but a rehash it is not. People grasp at straws to make tenuous links to validate their criticisms.

          Ok then:

          1. Key member of the resistance gets captured, has information that is required by the bad guys to find the location of another key resistance figure
          2. He escapes with the help of a stormtrooper
          3. They crash land on a desert planet which happens to be where we meet our amazing pilot/mechanic/secretly Jedi hero
          4. Hero manages to meet up with a droid who has been captured by alien scavenger
          5. Droid has secret message that must be shown to the resistance which is of vital importance
          6. Hero and former stormtrooper escape from desert planet in Millenium Falcon
          7. There is a Millenium Falcon turret battle against small tie fighter squadron
          8. They meet up with Han and Chewie, who agree to help them by taking them to a location friendly to the resistance
          9. There is a cantina with random smattering of alien creatures
          10. The party goes to a secret resistance base in the forest (Think Yavin in the first movie)
          11. There is a giant battle station capable of destroying planets with a giant circular canon
          12. They devise a plan to destroy said battle station with an X-Wing squadron attacking a stupidly exposed section of the station that is vital to the integrity of the station
          13. Finn meets up again with hotshot pilot buddy
          14. X-wing battle sequence
          15. Side note: shield removal plan and execution ripped from ROTJ
          16. Father figure dies which motivates one of our heroes to start blasting stormtroopers all over the place

          Need I go on? Really mate, this is all key shit to the plot of the movie. Not to mention that when we met her Rey wasnt a Jedi Padawan, she was just a girl on a planet, much like Luke wasnt a Jedi Padawan when we met him either. She lost her family, Luke lost his too. Yes there are some new plot elements, but they are actually few and far between by comparison.

          I also have problems with the movie other than this, but wont go into them right now because a) they are listed in the actual article, and b) I've spend too long on this comment already.

      I understand wanting a simple SW story but did we have to get the SAME, exact one from before?? It wasn't derivative, it was Abrams leaning over Lucas's shoulder during a test and copying down his essay answer word for word. Honestly any 1000 people could've come up with something original and better. This is Abrams/Disney just polishing their old car a bit and telling you it's brand new.

    I did not like Ren. General Hux was great, even though he did chew the scenery a bit, But Ren, after the excellent introduction turns out to be nothing but a spoil 30 year old man child

    Your an idiot.

    You do not need to talk about these things as they will have no bearing on the next movie. Why would a director in charge of Star Wars listen to you. The execs who make the big decisions certainly wont.

    And where you get off submitting a subjective list as a definitive list of things that are wrong with the movie. Keep your opinions to yourself and write some actual news for a change.


      chill out bruh, hes entitled to his opinions as a form of generating discussion. hence why at the end of the article it says 'agree or disagree?'

      I said it's important that *we* talk about these things, meaning the audience at large.

      Of course the people in charge don't give two shits what I have to say -- but if millions of people have similar complaints it will absolutely factor into their planning for the sequels.

        Exactly. I didn't particularly agree (or disagree) with you, but I've been relatively engaged in the discussion that followed. So thank you for that.

        I actually agree with most of the arguments you put up. I personally hated (well actually I was more frustrated with it than straight up hated it) the movie, and it was pretty much everything you listed here that did it for me. It just seemed like everywhere there was this torrent of praise for something that wasn't actually that amazing and there was no one to actually put up an argument as to why it wasn't...

    Poe, who promised to come back for BB... who deliberately flew back to Jakku instead of making an escape...

    He crashes, ejects, doesn't bother looking for either Fin or BB, and just hops on the next shuttle back to the rebellion?

      Yeah how does it get off Jakku?

      I can get that he doesn't look for Fin, he could assume Fin is dead after the crash. Maybe bb could communicate with command and let them know he's on his way?

    Why did the good guys send some random girl to give Luke his lightsaber rather than, say, his sister or any notable member of the Resistance

    I've got to disagree with this point, too. They didn't just send the girl - they sent Chewbacca and R2-D2 with her. R2-D2 is still part of the resistance, and I suspect Chewie is basically back in now. Those guys have enough history that even if they weren't official, card-carrying members of the resistance, they'd certainly be completely trusted by Leia to do the job - certainly as much as she'd trust anybody else.

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        Plus, Peter Mayhew seems by all measures to be ecstatic to be back into it.

    I want them to show how Boba Fett flew out and saved Han and sold him to another Hutt.

    What really would shock viewers and round out the rehash, would be Luke telling Kylo: "I am your Father."

      "I am your uncle" doesn't really have the same impact, does it? You'd expect the next line to be "Pull my finger" or something.

    How is it not possible to suck all the energy in to use for the weapon ? they have that big ass vunerable stabliser doohicky to deal with that, and we see just what happens when THAT fails

      That 'scientist' that the author quoted is pretty flaky. More of a celebrity voodoo merchant.

      They've already successfully contained nuclear fusion in a magnetic field. One would assume that in the Star Wars universe this has been advanced considerably. I'm more interested in how they managed to suck an entire star into the planet. I'm thinking they would have used an incredibly powerful focused gravity field, like a tractor beam.

        In this universe, they have mastered hyperspace travel as well as a tractor beam. By that logic, it might be possible to shunt energy out of phase in a similar manner... although that's a LOT of energy... if you took even 1% of a star, I'm sure it would be enough to destroy multiple planets.

        They didn't suck in the entire star. They were drawing energy from it. That's why they shot once at the Republic planet (whatever it was) and were charging it up again to shoot at the Resistance base planet.

        It's a freaking planet, it wasn't travelling around the galaxy and stopping near stars to suck up ALL their energy for one shot. I'm not saying I know all the science stuff that goes on, but sucking up some of a star's energy into a planet is more believable than sucking up a whole star, at least.

          And that's why they had time until the Sun disappeared? Because the sun was still there, but once the cannons charged it becomes invisible? Nope, they took the whole sun bruh

        DeGrasse Tyson has written over 10 books, lead 5 astrophysics papers, hell, he established the Astrophysics department of the American Museum of Natural History. This guy is "a celebrity voodoo merchant" of the same order as Sagan. Sagan even PERSONALLY requested to recruit him as an understudy. The fact that you're more interested in how a fictional star was sucked into a fictional death cannon using a fictional laser beam, and then trying to apply SCIENCE to it (herrr derrr gravity field, cause you can shoot gravity fields like a laser, thanks Star Wars...) rather than an astrophysicist talking about ACTUAL SCIENCE shows me that you don't actually know a thing about what your talking about.

        What the hell, man? That "celebrity voodoo merchant", as you call him in such a dumb way, is one of the biggest minds of our time. Star Wars is science fiction... FICTION. Get it? Neil gives you SCIENCE, facts, the real ones that govern our universe.
        You're just butthurt, offended by anything out of your fantasy bubble. You can't stand a scientist talking real deal about facts that would never happen in real life as you see them on the big screen. Grow up, come on.

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          Wow, I had to up-vote your comment purely for the fact that you made it 18 months after I posted mine. Awesome!

            It is never too late to be taught, my boy.

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    Supreme Leader Snoke: Clone of Palpatine? He did this in the Expanded Universe comic series.

    Luke to Rey: 'I am your father.' The setup was just a bit too mysterious (the flashback to younger Rey) for it not to pay off later.

    Kylo Ren was awesome...until he took off his mask, then he was like a gangly teen.

    Rey was a little too good with a lightsaber and Ren was not quite good enough, especially at the end. Remember he'd basically been trained since birth to wield this thing. He should be like an olympic-level fencer. The only time we see anyone fighting with anything near proficiency in the films is the Obi-Wan/Vader fight at the end of Revenge of the Sith, but better yet are the cinematics for The Old Republic. Take the lifetime of training and the force into it, it should look like magic. They're the only place it does.

    Really enjoyed the film overall :-)

      Kylo Ren was awesome...until he took off his mask, then he was like a gangly teen.

      I didn't mind that, though. He's Han and Leia's son, so born sometime in the last 30 years... let's say he's mid-20s, so still very young. He's still in training himself, he's not the fully-developed arse-kicker that Vader was in the original - he still very much has his P-plates on as far as evil Sith lords go. Which also explains the lack of self control resulting in the temper tantrums where he smashes shit up when things don't go his way - Vader would have just force choked someone to death and moved on.

      Like you say, I think the problem is that Rey was too good for somebody with no training, not that Kylo Ren wasn't good enough.

        Anikan was way more mencing thank Ren was though. Ren just didnt have the presence and gravitas that Vader and Anikan had, despite how wooden Hayden was in the movies, he still had the ability to make thing twice about wanting to meet him in dark alley.

        Simply Put, Sheldon Cooper doing Vader cosplay would be much more imposing and scary than Ren

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        Good points, my friend. I loved the temper tantrums btw--lightsaber hacking and the best force choke ever. And, of course, those stormtroopers. :-)

    Kotaku: where no one knows what a plot hole ACTUALLY is

      You're right. In reality they were talking about plot conveniences, which feature so heavily in this film that it's actually like the entire plot is one big convenience at points.

    There are certainly flaws but none I feel I need to really dig too deep into so that I can justify anything. Not sure if any of the above "sucked" so to speak, but I know what Chris is getting at.

    I loved the movie for what it was and am really looking forward to the next one where I'm sure a few more questions will be answered. Happy with what they did as it could have been a whole lot worse with Disney taking the reins.

    How does Rey understand Wookie and why does nobody else comment on this? Why does everyone in the First Order seem to instantly recognise Finn, a lowly janitor who always wore a helmet in battle? Why was Rey guarded by a single M19 agent/Stormtrooper? Why did the bad guys build another super weapon with an easily exploitable flaw? How did Phasma and Kylo escape the exploding planet after being tossed in a trash compactor and disappearing into the woods, respectively? Why does R2-D2 suddenly wake up at the end? Why did the good guys send some random girl to give Luke his lightsaber rather than, say, his sister or any notable member of the Resistance?

    None of these are plot holes, these are things that are not explained, (and the movie doesn't need to) they are just questions you have. (which is fine) There are dozens of simple in universe explanations that would make sense for all of these, but the movie doesn't need to spend time on a mundane training montage of Rey learning to speak wookie.

    A plot hole is when the internal consistency of the movie is broken. One might be if instead Maz said, this is "Luke Skywalker's lightsaber, only he can wield it" and then Finn went toe to toe with his old Stormtrooper buddy. As they establish a rule (only Luke can use this) and then they break it (Finn ignores the rule)

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      The Phasma escape thing especially is not a plot hole, considering that the movie never shows her surviving. People just assume she does because a producer said she'd be back for the sequel. There are arguments over what exactly constitutes a plot hole in a movie, but falling outside any of those definitions is "information gleaned from casting announcement of future film implies offscreen event in existing film".

    In reference to the 'confusing politics' section, you must have been quite confused if you were watching something with a group called 'The New Order' (they're called'The First Order').


        From Chris.

        (This incredibly lame joke works better when you know that my name is Shay).

    Nitpicking for the sake of nitpicking. It earns the clicks in any case.

    Well, most of these I feel were pretty much par for the course. My biggest gripes were with the modern movie tropes. Like how they just jump around from plot point to plot point and character to character instead of naturally leading onto each other, resulting in less over all natural flow. But that's just modern Hollywood pacing. I'm sure some people may actually prefer it to more classic or 'old fashioned' story telling as they would see it. And that's fine.

    It's the equivalent of telling a story like:
    And then they were here, and then they were were...

    Instead of:
    The characters were here, did that, which lead them to be here.

    Oh. And why do practically all the New Order guys look like snobby rich kids? Grand Moff Tarkin looked like he was an old general. These look like angry young people trying to rule the galaxy because their parents didn't get them the speeder they wanted for 'life day'.

    But I guess that was for the generic 'the young are overthrowing the old and obsolete' under tone. A reverse of a New Hope.

    Anyway, those are my two major gripes and they are relatively small ones IMO. Loved it. Can't wait for the next one.

    Edit: Holly balls my spelling.

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      I'd explain the New Order guys looking like snobby rich kids because they probably are.

      Consider this, if you were going to launch a fully operational Death Star for the first (and second) time there's a good chance you're going to have your senior generals and staff all around the place to watch the giant death laser obliterate a planet or two.

      Unfortunately for them both of the Death Stars were obliterated while still populated, I daresay that in the 30 years or so since the last Death Star was destroyed that there would have been a whole bunch of pissed off kids who grew up with no parents (well no father because all of the women are out of shot doing whatever it is that they were all doing for the past 6 movies) and have a bone to pick with the resistance.

      Besides that though it did kind of just jump from plot point to plot point with no real exploration or flow, but you get that when you have such a huge amount of content to boil down to standard running time, still loved every second of it.

        Yeah, like I say, I don't really blame them for it. Just some things that I did notice. And TBH, I say the flow thing about nearly all modern movies these days and, to be fair, the new Star Wars flows better than a lot of other modern movies IMO.

        And the youth thing was probably to set the stage to phase out the older case etc, but it didn't really bother me, it just stood out as a little fishy that's all.

          Yeah it did strike me as a bit odd at just how clean cut and young just about everyone in the First Order seemed to be, but I guess that is just the visualization of the passing of the baton theme that is in pretty much every aspect of TFA (with the most obvious being the Millennium Falcon *avoids spoilers*)

          And man I'm glad that it isn't just me noticing that most modern movies seem to be adopting that certain kind of story telling that is more about the major plot points and epic set pieces than about the actual journey and world building in between, you are right though, even though it felt a bit formulaic it was so well put together that it's immediately forgivable.

          Plus Starwars (or episode 4 specifically) really stuck to the classic heroes journey story telling model which TFA does as well, I think that contributes to how similar the two movies end up feeling as the major plot beats have a very similar vibe, some people might not like that but I guess it was the safest way to make a new star wars movie without alienating the old fans while still telling a story that will feel familiar to new fans.

          Something something Star Wars something something Tropes.

            Haha. Well I'm glad that others agree with the modern movies thing. I didn't want to seem like a weird film snob.

            TBH, I think that it comes from the way they integrate the cookie cutter formula into movies these days (including the heroes journey etc). It used to be that a script was made and then shaped towards a formula to help achieve a better flow/ pacing etc. But these days I strongly feel that a script is made around the formula, leading to movies feeling more generic and like cookie cutter stories. That's just my theory though. And yeah, as I say, I really don't think that Star Wars was that bad in that regard.

            Then again, I was expecting Disney/ Marvel levels of cookie cutter and I was glad that it wasn't as obvious as some of their latest movies have been.

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              The force awakens is BAD MOVIE because it has no heart. Prequels were better. I"m not a vegan.

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