Creator Of DOTA 2's First Paid Custom Game Apologises For Stolen Content

Creator Of DOTA 2's First Paid Custom Game Apologizes For Stolen Content

Slowly but surely, Valve is wading back into the murky waters of letting people charge for mods. Unfortunately, it seems that in some ways, history is repeating itself. Last week Valve launched DOTA 2's new Custom Game Pass functionality. Instead of allowing mod makers to charge for the whole of their creations — potentially roping them off from longtime free players — Custom Game Pass grants additional features within pre-existing free mods. So basically, it's kinda like a mini-subscription, except for use within specific well-established DOTA 2 mods. In the case of the first mod to sign on with Valve's new program, co-op player-vs-environment RPG Roshpit Champions, this means extra character slots, a slight XP boost and some other goodies for a once-per-month fee of $US0.99 ($1.31).

The idea is solid, clearly informed by the avalanche of burning dumpsters that was Valve and Bethesda's attempt at adding paid mods to Skyrim. Creators of more ambitious mods can make money within Valve's ecosystem, but free players (at least, in theory) don't miss out on crucial features or updates. Win-win.

Creator Of DOTA 2's First Paid Custom Game Apologizes For Stolen Content

Thing is, there's still that sticky little issue of mods borrowing each others' content, one of the first issues to crop up during the Skyrim paid mod fiasco. When mods are free, it doesn't matter a tremendous amount that somebody, say, nipped an art asset here or snatched a free-floating idea out of the air there. But when money's on the table, well... let's just say it's been a dramatic past few days for the aforementioned Roshpit Champions mod.

Despite Roshpit Champions leading the charge in Valve's Custom Game Pass effort, players quickly discovered that it was loaded with assets (mostly icons) from other people's DOTA 2 mods and, in one case, World of Warcraft, a game that exists many realms over from Valve's PC gaming megalopolis.

Initially, mod creator Ryan 'ChalkyBrush' Racioppo tried to defend his actions, claiming among other things that mods submitted for approval to DOTA 2's Steam Workshop immediately become Valve's property — and therefore, fair game in a mod.

He was wrong. Section 6D of the Steam subscriber agreement reads: "With respect to Workshop Contributions, you represent and warrant that the Workshop Contribution was originally created by you (or, with respect to a Workshop Contribution to which others contributed besides you, by you and the other contributors, and in such case that you have the right to submit such Workshop Contribution on behalf of those other contributors)." So basically, your mod is either full of stuff you made, or you got permission to use other people's stuff before submission.

In the end, Racioppo took his licks from the DOTA 2 subreddit and ultimately apologised, saying that he's removed offending content from the mod.

I made a mistake in responding as if I knew what I was talking about without having an actual understanding of how it works. The truth is you are right, the workshop art belongs to the Artists. If this custom game is offering a Game Pass, it is not fair to the hours of time put into drawing the amazing images that you see in game.

So the following actions are being taken:

1) I am removing all unacceptable item icons from the game. I will push an update in a few hours. Once it is live all items that have icons from the workshop will only have a generic image. We will slowly recover item images by curating our own content. This is the only fair way to do it.

2) I want to apologise to all the artists who I did not consult in using their amazing works. They spend hours pouring their hearts into this creative content and it is unfair to showcase them within Roshpit Champions with no credit to them.

Things got pretty tense for a bit there, so that's good of Racioppo to do. But this continues a thread — or an unfurling yarn ball, really — of questions about charging for mods that Valve doesn't seem to have answers to.

Creator Of DOTA 2's First Paid Custom Game Apologizes For Stolen Content

Modding is an ecosystem born of building on top of other people's creations. It begins with a single game, but it's not uncommon for mod makers to assemble collages from bits and pieces of each others' work too. This is how some of the biggest mods ever, DOTA included, were born. Ideas on top of ideas, assets on top of assets, until canon versions emerged. Is it a smart idea to disrupt that process? Will that ultimately wound the very spirit of modding? Or will it lead to oft-obscured creators finally getting their damn credit? A little of both?

It's simple to let people collect a few cents here and there when Valve's heavily regulating everything, especially when the "everything" in question is cosmetic items and maps. In those cases, Valve can at least semi-reliably make sure everyone responsible receives proper credit and payment. More ambitious mods (custom game types and so on) present a stiffer challenge, especially if Valve is still hoping to reach a point where a larger, mostly self-regulating storefront can emerge, a la their attempt with Skyrim. For now, they're curating DOTA 2's Custom Game Pass directly. That's good, at least. Clearly, though, they need to ramp up their vetting process.


    Now if only we can get valve to vette greenlights and early access games, especially unity asset flips.

    Licensing and copyright are going to be the biggest issue with any kind of paid mod system. It will be interesting to see how the dependency situation is resolved too. The most likely outcome will either be royalties are paid for the dependent content or it will be distributed under a license that allows royalty free commercial use like in the Open Source world. There will probably be license incompatibilities like in the Open Source world too. *Makes a bucket of popcorn and sits down to watch how this unfurls*

    Last edited 22/03/16 3:49 pm

    It's almost every week there's a 'Nintendo's too stringent' and a 'Valve's too lax' report.

    Or is it just me.

      Well, everywhere couple of months we seem to get a "Valve's idea backfires" article.

    But stealing other people's work was the founding concept of "Dota" 2.

      lol how?

        Short version - two guys made DOTA mod for WC 3, back in the day. After years, they stopped updating it and another guy decided to take a stab at any updates it might need. Then Valve decided to pay Johnny-Come-Lately money for "his" mod, and make it their own game and trademark so they could IAP the shit out of it.

          Thanyou dustwind. I thought that Icefrog was the original creator and hence valve developed dota2 with him and that would make it not stealing but if he just picked up were 2 other guys left off then I agree.

          @thehasbrogamer The fact it is a mod means it isn't owned by blizzard really and
          @divineiniquity The fact that they changed all the heroes so they wouldn't resemble wc3 heroes says to me they weren't stealing.

          I played the original dota and know the lore just so you know were I was coming from.

        Adding to dustwind, the original DotA lore (as far back as AllStars at least) was based upon The Night Elf Sentinels fighting against The Undead Scourge to defeat the other's "Ancient" (the World Tree and the Frozen Throne) - these are all ideas taken from the Warcraft 3 story. You also had some heroes based upon their Warcraft story equivalents (eg: Furion).

        Of course once they developed DotA 2 they had to change the names of all of these characters and factions to avoid copyright against Blizzard. So even though today you see DotA 2 as a standalone game by Valve, for a good period of time in its infancy, DotA was really just a Warcraft 3 custom game.

        Making custom games in a custom game, who would've thought...

        Last edited 23/03/16 1:25 pm

    Yeh, Im not sold on the valve paid/subscribe mods. Sounds good in theory, with content creators getting paid for good hard work... but it brings with it waaay to many issues, plagiarism, etc.
    Reminds me of the promises of greenlight .

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