Ask Dr. NerdLove: Am I Too Ugly To Date?

Hello you electric blue angels of the abyss, and welcome to Ask Dr. NerdLove, the only dating advice column to master the Dim Mat.

This week, we're talking about what it takes to be more attractive. Is it all about the face? The body? The bank account? Or is there something more to it? What if you're not good looking at all? Is there any hope for you?

Obviously I've got an answer for this, otherwise we'd've picked a different question. Let's do this thing.

Hi Dr. NerdLove.
As someone who is in university I constantly see the most painfully attractive women in my day to day life. For most of my life I have simply accepted the inevitable, that I will never have a girlfriend, that I will never have sex and that I will be romantically alone until the day I die. However, constantly seeing the most cruelly attractive women on campus has made the idea of being alone increasingly more and more unbearable until I feel like I'm at breaking point where if I don't try I will regret it for the rest of my life. This means that I'm attempting to put a life time of feeling ashamed of being attracted to anyone aside, overhaul my life and for the first time in my life attempt to date. This leads to the first major stumbling block.
What if there's such a thing as being too ugly?
Going back as far as I can remember, the standard response of the opposite sex to me has always been the same and it can be summed up by the word "ew" or a slightly longer "eeewwwwww". Even when I stopped having any hope of ever being in a relationship, it felt like I had to be constantly reminded of my place and as a result dating has always seemed like an alien concept that was only for other people.
I've always felt ashamed whenever I felt even the slightest attraction towards anyone, because this wasn't something meant for me. To be brutally honest it still feels the same today. For example, you frequently make reference to getting smiles from women as an indicator that they are open to being approached, but in my entire 22 years of being alive I have never once seen this. There are only two standard responses I ever see upon eye contact, either complete and total apathy or absolute putrid disgust. That's all there is.
It doesn't matter whether I am laughing with friends at a bar, just sitting in Starbucks with a neutral facial expression or suffering in the university library, the response is always the same. When I say this, I don't mean hanging around on the streets making eye contact with women like some kind of turbo creeper, but the kind of places where you have mentioned that this is appropriate in your articles. I then compare this with the ease with which my tall, good looking friend effortlessly attracts smiles everywhere he goes and even has women approaching him. This makes it very difficult to believe that it is even possible for women to be attracted to me.
This leaves me stuck in a rut. I want to believe it's possible that I can be in a relationship but all evidence makes it difficult to believe such a thing is possible. That by virtue of the way I look women will always want me to stay away from them in any context outside of platonic friendship. I feel like if approaching women is getting your foot in the door then I can't even get that far. Without ever experiencing a hint that any woman could ever be attracted to me gives me the fear that no matter how much I improve it will never overcome my facial features or my height (5'8"). Yet at the same time the thought of never being in a relationship has become too unbearable especially while I'm in university. So at the moment I'm in a sort of limbo where I feel like a strange alien man sent from another planet to never experience dating, and I simply don't know where to go from here.
A Sexual Nothing

You know, ASN, I deal with a lot of guys with problems like yours. So many, in fact, that I may start a policy of requiring minimal standards before I can agree that someone's actually ugly. From the letters I get, I expect grotesquerie. I expect vestigial horns, massive goiters with teeth, Kuato coming out of their chest.

Every time, however, the guy tends to be someone who's ... actually pretty average. They may not be challenging Denzel Washington for "most symmetrical face" any time soon, but they're hardly Joseph Merrick. More often than not, most of what's needed is some Proactiv and/or braces, not radical plastic surgery.

But here's the thing: not being conventionally good looking doesn't keep you from being successful with women.

The fact that hot dudes exist doesn't mean that less hot men are left having to fight for the scraps like rabid gibbons with knives strapped to their arms. There're veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan who've come home with massive facial scarring who've since gone on to get married and have kids.

Lots of "ugly" guys have girlfriends -- so many, in fact, that it's a trope in fiction and real life. Fat guys have wives. Short guys have long, happy relationships. Hell, I'm 5'8", same as you, and I've dated women who tower over me. Not being concerned about being short is intensely appealing, especially to women who've gotten stick from dates and boyfriends about wearing heels. Good looks may help when it comes to dating, they're not the end-all, be-all that people think they are.

To start with: "good looking" is incredibly variable and personal. Matt Smith looks like a statue from Easter Island but he gives fangirls the screaming thigh-sweats. Some folks will swear by Chiwetel Ejiofor's smile, while others could care less. Vincent Cassel is sex on toast to many other women, while others would never touch him with a borrowed vagina.

For example, pull up a photo of Geoffrey Arend. He's not going to win any beauty contests anytime soon. Possibly ever. But he's also married to Christina Hendricks. Now look at Steve Buscemi. Really look. I want you to look deep into those baggy, hangdog eyes, gaze long and hard on those crooked teeth ... and remember that he's married with kids. Mick Jagger's got a face like a bulldog chewing on a wasp but still banged his way through half the women at the Ford Modelling Agency. Hell, Serge Gainsbourg looks like a damn Deep One and still got European arse like a drunk man with a stolen credit card at a St. Tropez donkey auction.

But, I hear you cry, they're famous actors and musicians! They have got stuff going for them besides their looks!

Exactly.

Guys frequently confuse "being attractive" with "good looks". While the looks and attraction do go hand in hand, they're not synonymous. Being attractive is about more than just your face or your height or your physique; it's about the whole package. People who seem to date folks who're "out of their league" get that there's no such thing as "leagues"; there's people who dig what you bring to the table and people who don't. Sometimes that's looks. Other times it's an ability to make someone feel special, or to sing like an angel. Still other times, it's the ability to make people laugh.

Before someone brings it up: yes, money can help attract women ... it attracts women who like money. It's also clearly not necessary, seeing as "broke, couch-surfing, unemployed musician boyfriend" is a cliche that's older than steam.

Being conventionally good looking is certainly a help in the short term, especially since they work to create attraction of the bat. But science has found that looks aren't the long-term advantage you would think. In the paper "Relational Mate Value: Consensus and Uniqueness in Romantic Evaluations", researchers at UT Austin found that personality and uniqueness were more attractive than looks.  While people might rate hot folks as being more desirable at first, after three months, the people with desirable personalities - warmth, openness, friendliness, etc - were the hottest dating tickets around. Why? Because getting to know someone makes them more attractive to you.

This works to your advantage, ASN. You may not be able to do a straight cold-approach at the bar, but that's fine. We very rarely date someone we've just met; 9 times out of 10, we date people we've gotten to know, whether over days, weeks or even months. Playing long game means you get to play to your strength. As long as you realise that your problem isn't on your skull, it's inside it.

As woo-woo as this may sound, a lot of your problem is attitude. Reality is subjective and our beliefs control them. Believing you're ugly and unattractive means that you're going to act as though you are. It's going to permeate every aspect of your life. You put less care into how you dress or how you groom yourself because what's the point? Your body language is going to be closed off and unappealing. You hunch over and fold in on yourself in order to take up less space. You try to avoid making eye contact or drawing attention to yourself. You'll see people looking at you and assume, absent of any evidence, that they're repulsed by you. How couldn't they be?

Change that belief, on the other hand, and you'll get entirely different results. Adopting a more positive attitude actually improves your life on a practical level. To start with, people prefer to associate with positive individuals. Negative people are energy vampires who suck the life out of folks. But a positive, confident attitude also increases your emotional resilience, so that not only does failure not destroy you, but you're more willing to take risks. It puts you in a position to take advantage of opportunities as they arise instead of wringing your hands and thinking there's no way you could go for it.

It affects you on a physical level too. Feeling more confident gives you more confident and open body language, which is more attractive. You'll dress better. You'll be more likely to actually talk to people instead of just assuming that they couldn't stand you.

So how do you get there?

Well, you want to build yourself up. Take some pages from those guys I mentioned earlier. Start with your external presentation. Part of Gainsbourg's appeal, for example, is the man had style. He may have had the Innsmouth Look, but he also dressed sharper than a tack. Dressing well, even if it's just a well-fitted pair of jeans and a shirt, makes you feel like a million bucks. Go to a salon and talk with a stylist about an easy to maintain haircut that will work with your hair type and face shape. Make sure you shower and use deodorant. These are all very little things that may not change your physical shape but will change your appearance and help form the basis for changes in your attitude.

Next, you want to get more in touch with your passions and interests, the things that make you unique and special. Collect experiences, so you have stories to tell. Look for adventures and live a more active life, one that people would want to take part in. Don't assume that because you're not in the top 1% of something that you're hopeless. You don't have to be the best singer or dancer or the funniest guy or whatever. You just need to develop your passions, the things that you can do that will help people enjoy themselves in your presence. The most important attractive aspect of someone isn't their looks or their money or their job: it's that they're fun to be around.

You may be an acquired taste, so give people time to acquire you. Tinder may not work for you, but going to Meetups or taking classes or getting involved in volunteering will.

But most importantly: learn to love yourself and take pride in yourself. Your attitude is destiny. Learn to realise that you're awesome and cultivate that awesomeness and you'll find that your dating life will improve.

Good luck.

Hey Doc,
This is my first time writing to your column but you've helped a lot of people and I love reading your stories on Kotaku. Let me cut to the chase.
I work as an I.T. specialist for a major theatre company. During the winter I'm insanely busy and during the summer I'm bored out of my mind.
This past summer I decided that I was going to give an mmorpg a shot. I'm a huge gamer and decided that this summer I was going to try a different genre one that's out of my norm. So I decided to play Final Fantasy 14.
I met someone the first day of playing, joined their free company and she and I became best friends. Months passed and we were hanging out every day pretty much online. She was dating someone who happened to also be the company leader. Their relationship fell through and after a week or so she and I were dating online. We left the free company and started our own.
We texted every day, every night, and this turned to phone calls every night before bed. Before you know it not even a month in and we're both saying I love you. It scared me a bit at first but I hadn't been in a relationship for 3 years, so it was nice to have someone to love and to love me back. Maybe a little naive.
Things started moving really fast. We'd say things like I'll love you forever, get into really strong and intense conversations about how deep our love is. And then something happened. I have never been possessive but this girl started saying things like, "I don't want you talking to women," "I don't want you hugging girls in game, unless it's family," "avoid women at all costs."
Now before when we were friends, I hugged everyone, I was the life of the party, being super nice and friendly with everyone. So I loved her and I stopped doing that, I basically cut off all women. She said that she would cut off all men but I told her I didn't care if she talked to or hugged men in game as long as they were friends. She refused, believing it to be similar to cheating.
This all started trickling more and more into my real life. She couldn't go ten minutes without a text, she'd get mad if I didn't keep them coming and especially if I couldn't call. So mad in fact that phone calls would be one sided, me talking, her saying nothing.
I had made plans to go see her, but because of my job that fell through. The reason being I got into trouble at work because I was ignoring all the females in the office. Texting and calling at work. Something I'd never do. That day she threatened suicide. And has said on many occasions afterwards she wished she was dead.
It's no longer summer and I'm busy all the time, when we do talk it's mostly always a fight. The times that it isn't we're saying I love you, I want to see you, I want to be with you, I don't want to lose you. She hates my job and wants me to leave it. I can't do that, I worked hard to get where I am. I've yet to see her in person.
I'm to the point where I'm exhausted and unsure what to do because I'm scared that if I break up with her, to end this stringing along, that she'll kill herself. I don't want that. I think I jumped the gun on the love aspect. It's not that I don't like her a lot, that I don't insanely care about her. It's just this isn't working out.
I don't know what to do, I made an immense mistake, we've only been dating 2 months and things have progressed to this. Could you help me?
A Moogle In Love

Yes, I can help you, AMIL. It's very easy.

DUMP HER NOW AND NEVER TALK TO HER AGAIN. You get out of there like all of hell and half of Hoboken was after you. Then get down on your knees and thank whatever god you believe in that you didn't spend the money to go see her.

Holy hopping sheep shit dude, your girlfriend is waving more red flags than a NASCAR race in a hurricane.

Let's break it down for a moment. We'll start with the fact that you started "dating" within a week of her "breakup" (scare quotes are intentional) with the guild leader. While people do often leave a relationship and get right into another, this behaviour is suspicious at best when you're dealing with people in the flesh.

Then there's the fact that you went from chatting to saying "I love you" when a) you'd been dating for less than a month and b) you'd never met in person. The former is bad enough; declaring your love for someone you've known for less than six weeks tends to be a sign of emotional immaturity when they're actually present with you. It's even more true when you've never actually met.

While long, happy relationships can and do frequently start online, the fact is: relationships have a physical component. You don't really know somebody online as well as you do when you see them in real life. Phone calls, Facetime, Skype ... none of this can adequately communicate whether or not you will actually have chemistry when you get together in the flesh. Plus: you miss any number of signs of who they really are, from the way they smell to the way they treat the waitstaff at restaurants.

So yeah, there's that.

Then there's the fact that she hits toxic relationship bingo: love-bombing you at the start before demanding constant contact, demanding that you quit your job (to spend more time with her), dictating which of your relationships were acceptable (including in-game interactions, Jesus fucknuts ...) and using her jealousy and threats of self-harm to keep your behaviour in line. This woman is ten pounds of emotional abuse in a five pound sack and the best thing you can do is run screaming in the other direction.

The only saving grace right now is that you're learning what an abusive relationship looks like at a relatively safe (for suitably emotionally damaging values of "safe") distance and that learning this lesson only cost you a couple months. The potential damage she could do to your heart and soul if she had more time or lived in the same town as you is immense.

So here's what you do: you dump her, cold. No warning, no explanations, no excuses. Any reason you give will just be an opening for her to argue why you're wrong. You take the Nuclear Option and cut her out of your life entirely -- block her in-game, on your phone and on every form of social media you have. Set filters so her email goes straight to the trash and never talk to her again. There is literally nothing to be gained from having her in your life. Excise her from it like a cancerous tumour. You may have thought you were in love. That was hope and inexperience talking, and she was leveraging it against you. That was how she ensured that you wouldn't enforce your boundaries around her.

To paraphrase a sage: you may love her, yeah, but you love you more.

You may worry that she'll hurt herself if you do. Don't. This is a manipulation tactic that abusers love to exploit. It turns your relationship into a hostage situation, where they're both the hostage and the hostage taker. She's not going to do anything and even if she does (SPOILER ALERT: she won't), that's not on you. You're not responsible for her actions, especially the ones she takes to try to manipulate you.

Once she's gone, you'll find that a massive weight has been lifted from your shoulders. You'll realise just how much she was draining the life from you, even from hundreds or thousands of miles away. And once she's out of your life, you'll have learned some valuable lessons.

1) You'll be better equipped to recognise a toxic relationship before it starts.

2) Next time, you'll learn to slow your roll before declaring that you love someone just from their online presence.

Good luck.

Did you change your appearance? Were you stuck in an abusive relationship, online or in person? Share your thoughts and experiences in the comments, and we'll be back in two weeks with more of your dating questions.


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Comments

    I'm as homely as a mule's butt and I'm engaged. Looks don't mean that much, confidence is more important.

    Just don't be an asshole, have some interests so you're not boring, and talk to women just like you'd talk to anyone. Seriously, switch your brain to low power mode (breathing, basic motor functions etc) and stop overthinking everything.

    Don't talk to women with the expectation of getting a relationship out of it, talk to them because they are interesting creatures you can have a discussion with. If you're both compatible then the conversation will flow naturally. If you take the plunge and ask them out and they say no, you struck out, no big deal, you still got to meet someone and it's practice for next time.

    I feel that dumping someone with no warning and never talking to them again is a really shitty thing to do. You should at least send a nice txt explaining your reasons. Only psychos just 'discard' ppl and move onto the next. Everyone deserves a 'hey. It's not working out. Best of luck' note.

      It's a shitty thing to do to a lover, or even somebody you just had a fling with, absolutely.

      It's not a shitty thing to do to your abuser.

      nobody who manipulates you and controls you deserves anything.

      if they can't treat you with respect, then you're totally entitled to do the same to them. the idea everyone has to play nice pisses me off especially when you're busy being shit on. fuck positive social protocol.

        I think something needs to be said, to be clear to the other party, even if it's simply "it's over".

      You'd have to be in the receiving end to understand. If there's someone like that in your life and you give them that much courtesy they'll seize the opportunity to negotiate, yell, demand, entreat, threaten and/or guilt. If you seem especially resolute, that might give them the desperate impetus to go further than ever before, committing self-harm, harming you, threatening your loved ones, making a huge scene, etc.

      If they are intentionally manipulating and abusing, they deserve the silent break up; if it's unwittingly, they /need/ it. Mere words never work with such people.

      Last edited 10/10/16 11:20 pm

    In response to both:
    Response 1) Completely agree with the doc. Be confident in who you are dude! And fake that confidence until you get used to it.
    Reponse 2) Amen! Nuke those communication lines and ditch her. The threats of self harm aren't on you in any way shape or form. But I've been there and done that so I can see the behavior a mile away now.

    Both of these letters hit close to home. I struggled for quite a while with both issues, but am glad I experienced them as I've come out the otherside as a more confident me.

    RE: Second story - yeah i would at least message the girl with an explaination, then i would run like hell. Normally i'd say you should at least call someone for a break up - but there are some cases where it's not worth your pain.
    Just clearly define why you're hightailing it, then get the fook out of there, burning EVERY bridge you cross as you run.

    The first writer needs to have a good hard think about how he sees women. He talks about all the beautiful women at his UNIVERSITY, but seems to have missed the point entirely about why they are there. They're studying, just like he is. They're not sitting around like lawn ornaments, and it's not a beauty pageant. They're also not sitting around waiting for a handsome prince to ask them out. They've got work to do, and would probably much prefer to have a chat about the upcoming assignment, what's on the exam, or the latest reading. Once you start treating women as people, rather than a goal, it's much easier to connect.

      patriarchal society calling "all women are things for our sexual amusement, don't you know that?"

      Good comment. Very true.

      Also, so unbelievably hard to do, especially when women around you dress like they're auditioning for Australia's Next Top Model. Arrgh! The tease!

      Assuming you're any good at people, anyway :P

      I think you have completely misunderstood and tried to force something that wasn't there. He's not slinking around gazing upon the females at campus as if they're freaking paintings on the wall. He, like everyone else, simply notices those he finds attractive, and in the context of his letter it was relevant to mention. Perhaps you should think about how you see men, as people, who don't have a secret agenda in regard to women

    Wow, how frightening...

    Get a new sim card + number. Tell those you care about, and care about you.
    Message with something short, decent, and clear. Don't call, or you will be guilted into continuing the relationship.
    Immediately turn off and replace the sim.
    Get on with your life.
    Destroy your FF14 profile. This will be your greatest loss.

    I hope she doesn't know anything real (facebook, etc) about you.

    For a long time in high school, I had low self-esteem, and then after I graduated, I ended up dating someone who was quite overweight (not a problem in itself), and had low confidence herself. It just kind of happened, but it was a good relationship that lasted about a year.

    After that, I dated another lady, who also had some confidence issues but was a bit surer of herself. And another, who was more confident then.

    Over time, I built up my own self-confidence, and found better partners. I then moved to Japan, where suddenly I was much more attractive than I ever thought I'd be in Australia, and after a few partners, eventually married a very attractive and kind woman, a superstar.

    Now, five years on after our marriage, it's still going very strong and I'm in the best position I've ever been in.

    So, you can take one or two messages from this:
    1. Be confident, then you can find better looking people.
    2. Go to another country and be the standout there until you get the boost in your confidence that you're after.

    A sexual nothing
    I feel for you man. As I'm sure many men reading this will too! i've been reading the "dr's" articles for a while now and I'm sure they'll agree to take the advice with a grain of salt.
    For istance Doc is saying ooo look at all these ugly people... except all these people are famous.... and you and I are well.. not?
    I know Doc will then go on to say hey it doesn't matter they are famous and that even the dirty guitar player pulls chicks.
    BUT this is a huge hairy dirty but too..... Being attractive will make it easier to meet women, 100% true! and as doc said tinder will NOT work for you, because it's based purely on looks.
    Being that your at uni now it is also MUCH harder to meet women, hell evento meet new mates (men). It was so easy in high school right?
    All that said the doc is onto something, you need to get to know women for them to be interested in you because you don't have the looks going.
    Be yourself and don't be a try hard (something you're not ,etc) If you like video games then let it be known you love them and are proud!
    The old addage goes, confidence is key and it's mostly true. It's like being depressed, you don't want to smile but if you fake it people will legit treat you differently.
    As in if you fake your confidence women will notice that! Also I've found age is a huge factor here too! you're in uni so 20 something? unfortunately most women DO want the hot guy (in that uni enviroment) It will get easier as you get older imo.
    I've found that usually a relationship comes along when you least expect it, when you've stopped giving a fuck about being in a relationship....
    Good luck buddy and always remember...there's always someone uglier than you that's getting laid so gg.

    A Moogle in love
    Doc is on point on this one!
    I call these kind of people "hoppers" they go from one relationship to another; Usually within weeks or a month of their last relationship. I'm not being sexist but women are more likely to do this than men.
    So yeah LOT's of red flags here, and I get it man! You've been single for years! Just having someone actively wanting your attention is a fucking amazing feeling!
    But yes she is toxic, and you have to wonder why the previous Guild leader dumped her right? well now you know!
    Look OP if you really can't just let go then ask her to comprimise? say meet her half way or something like if you live in Melb and she's in Brissy, meet in Sydney ,etc. She wants you to quit your job to spend time with her? ask WTF is she doing? tell her to come to you!
    I'm betting she wont... just another reason to end it man. It's tough but you're better off. There's also a little ego boost that you HAD to let a girl go...

    To first asker: You're pretty young, meaning that most of the girls you have personally met are teenagers or just above. Most teenagers are entangled in a savage, unspoken war for self-validation and having lived very little and knowing even less, their best weapon is not confidence on their own value, but the destruction of the self-esteem of everybody else around. Trust me here, any girl that actually says "eww" at someone is but a child, desperately trying to climb a rung in what they perceive to be the societal hierarchy by stepping on an easy target (in your someone who doesn't conform to the mass-media-endorsed version of "beauty"). Such girls may appear extremely beautiful in the outside but it's not someone that you'd actually want as a romantic companion even if you could easily woo her.

    Follow the advice of the Dr. and go on with your life. Sooner or later you'll meet actual /women/ who are capable of seeing beyond the evident.

    ASN:
    This is a tough one, but here are some things I've learnt:
    (1) What type of person are you looking for?
    (2) What type of person are you?
    (3) What do you have to offer? (I'm not talking about money)
    (4) How easily do you bounce back from rejections and perceived failures?

    Those are roughly some of the things that may help you, if you have some idea about them. For example, if you're interested in an adventurer or athletic type (heavy generalisation here), do you believe you have enough in common with them to form a bond? Like doing the same sort of activities.

    Of course physical appearance can play a role in attaction, however, there is also a psychological aspect to it.

    What is it that they seek that you may possess? I think this is one of the fundamental elements in attraction. You may even ask yourself the same question - what is it about them that you find attractive?

    I believe that some people are attracted to those that have certain internal qualities that they want for themselves, even if it's at a subconscious level. Some people seek to enhance their own qualities by being with people have the qualities they want. For example, it could be self-assurance, determiniation and wit.

    Are you able to make them feel what they don't normally feel - in a good way?

    These things can be acquired through life experiences, but it depends on the person you are, your interests and how well you adjust to certain things. For example, if you like travelling, then you might have something to talk about - to show your experiences and what you've learnt in your adventures.

    Some people will also advise you to try and go on as many dates as possible, but you have to feel comfortable about doing it. Why? Because if you're not having fun and you're just putting on a "mask" to go through the motions, things can become very difficult - it all becomes an act and they will know for sure. After a while (if you're able to manage your fears - if any) and without any actual results, you may feel dejected, I would suggest taking time for yourself, otherwise it becomes a repetitive and dreary task. Also, there may be some things in life that was not meant to be and eventually, you learn to be okay with that.

    I hope you and your potential partner find each other. All the best.

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