What We Loved (And Didn't Love) About Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 2

There's a new Guardians of the Galaxy movie! Let's talk about it.

Mike Fahey and I are both avowed fans of James Gunn's original Guardians of the Galaxy film, and both of us headed to the theatre over the weekend to see his follow-up. Did the second outing capture the unlikely charm of the first one? Is it possible to truly accept the fact that this movie takes place in the same fictional universe as Hawkeye's farm? Is Yondu merely great, or is he the greatest? Let's break it down.

Image: Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2/IMDB

Kirk Hamilton: Mr. Fahey! You saw Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 over the weekend. I also saw Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 over the weekend. Let's talk about it. My overall take was: charming but crowded, a little overcooked but still plenty of fun. What did you think?

Mike Fahey: Well, Mr. Hamilton, I do agree that it was a completely charming movie with a whole lot going on, but I wouldn't quite call it crowded. If fact, I think it had almost exactly the right amount of things.

Kirk: Oh, nice. So we don't have the same take! These things are less fun when everyone has the same take. So yeah, let's talk about that crowded thing first.

I felt like… ok, basically, Guardians 2 felt to me like it'd feel if the Avengers movies didn't also have the supporting standalone series. Thor, Captain America, etc. If they had to do all the character development in the big ensemble movie, rather than in the single-hero movies. Which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, but it'd definitely feel different. While I liked how Gunn developed each of the main characters, Rocket and Yondu in particular, I also wanted a little more time to allow everything to happen. I wished the better subplots had been given more room to breathe.

Fahey: OK, when you put it that way I can certainly see your side of things. The story did play out pretty quickly for the amount of plotlines being created and resolved. But they were each handled so artfully and resolved so satisfactorily that I didn't really mind the relatively short amount of time given each. I'd say we had what, five or six plots given at least a good 20 minutes each? Beats waiting for a two hour movie about Rocket getting in touch with his feelings of isolation and loneliness. Not that I wouldn't line up for that. I'm just glad I don't have to.

Kirk: Hah, right. Afterward I was thinking it through and, do I really want a side movie starring Rocket and Yondu? I'm not sure I do. I mean I also would totally watch it, but, right. It's ok that I don't have to.

Fahey: Funny we both zero in on that plot. Yondu was such a bit player in the first film, just a blue backwoods alien with a Southern accent (even space has a South). This time around he's . . . well hell, he's a big deal.

Kirk: Yeah, man. I've always liked Michael Rooker's specific weirdo gutter-threat acting, and it was fun to watch him get to dig into a performance like he did. Even in the first movie, there was always this hint of a lie around how he treated Peter. The Ravager doth threaten too much. That scene in the sequel where he finally laid into Rocket was really good, and one of the few times the movie didn't immediately undercut a dramatic moment with a joke.

Fahey: That such pathos could come from a pair of such comedic characters. And I was expecting a joke to come after he delivered that one line, "You're me!" But no, the move just let me sit there and tear up into my nachos. Following the silly opening moments with Baby Groot dancing and all the jokes, I was afraid this sequel was going to be all jokes and no heart. Now I feel like that's exactly what James Gunn wanted me to think.

Kirk: Yeah. And while some of the jokes definitely landed more for me than others, the good ones were really good. Mary Poppins, Trash Panda, the entire sequence where Peter is asking everyone for tape… hahahaha

Fahey: Hahahaha. Mary Poppins.

Kirk: So good.

Fahey: "Is he cool?" "Very cool." "I'm Mary Poppins!"

Kirk: You mentioned all the storylines earlier - it really was impressive how many individual arcs they smushed into this movie. Aside from Rocket and Yondu, how did you feel about the other arcs?

Fahey: Let's see. We had Gamora and Nebula at odds in a plot I was positive was going to be resolved one way, only for it to be resolved the exact opposite way. Karen Gillan elevated Nebula from the one-note villain she was in the first film to a deep, tragic character.

Kirk: That was good. Karen Gillan has a great voice.

Fahey: "I just wanted a sister." And I am tearing up again.

Kirk: For a storyline that was mostly setup for the inevitable showdown with Thanos, the stuff between her and Gamora had some nice moments.

Fahey: I followed Karen Gillan around as a Doctor Who companion for a couple of years, and though I know she is the actress playing Nebula, I completely forgot while watching. As I was thinking about her scenes while leaving the theatre I was like, "Oh wait, that was Karen Gillan doing all of that. Neat!"

Kirk: I also liked that they gave Zoe Saldana more to do this time around, in general. I wasn't fully satisfied by the love story between her and Peter, but the scene where they danced together was a nice callback to one of my favourite scenes from the first movie - when he tells her about Footloose, and she pulls a knife on him. Drax may be right that some people just don't dance, but it kinda seems like Gamora dances.

Fahey: She was definitely dancing right there. The Drax/Mantis subplot was the goofiest of them all... in fact, they may have gone over the top a bit with Bautista this time around, but that one damn moment makes up for all of it.

Kirk: I think Drax was probably the most overcooked of all the main characters. I loved the scenes toward the end of the first movie when he would begin laughing uncontrollably, but it felt like they doubled down a little too hard on the notion of him as this joyful buffoon. Which is a shame, since usually I generally like it when people in action movies (or games) express amazement at the incredible things they do.

Mantis also didn't do very much for me, in general. Her power gives her the ability to explore the pain all of these characters have suffered, but she was mostly just the butt of a bunch of random jokes.

Fahey: But the one time Mantis really used her power -- the moment I was speaking of, when Drax was sitting there stoically remembering his daughter, and she put her hand on his shoulder and just starts sobbing uncontrollably. That was worth all the jokes for me. This is turning out to be the crying-est chat ever.

Kirk: Yeah, that was a good scene. Speaking of emotions, I didn't really connect with Ego. What was your take on him? Pro? Con?

Fahey: I was amazed they actually made him a living planet. In the comics it is right there in the name, Ego the Living Planet, but I somehow didn't expect it would play out that way. As a villain, he was better than anything else Marvel has done lately. I think the big reveal about how the relationship between Ego and Peter's mum ended was rushed and could have been handled with more subtlety. It was too, "OK, now to flip the 'evil' switch."

Kirk: Hah, yeah. I figured something was up with him from minute one, since the first thing he said was something along the lines of, "Soon, these will spread to every planet in the galaxy!" Good guys don't say things like that. I agree that Ego was more interesting than the average Marvel movie villain since, Civil War notwithstanding, Marvel movies have generally had trouble with villains. But I still didn't really get his whole deal. His planet just seemed sort of lonely and dumb, and I didn't understand why Peter would think it was cool. It sort of looked like a vague Yes album cover, or like No Man's Sky?

Fahey: Glad I am not the only one who immediately thought of Roger Dean album covers.

Kirk: I made this joke on Twitter already, but Guardians 2 was basically about how Pac-Man is a better game than No Man's Sky.

Fahey: Ego's whole deal was to spread himself throughout the galaxy, which would give him real ultimate power in order to . . . I do not know. Now that I think about it, what the hell did that guy want?

Kirk: He wanted to create a procedurally generated galaxy where every planet is populated by totally different alien races! Preorder now for PS4 and PC.

Fahey: I didn't see any giant dinosaurs on that planet, and the characters rarely ran into each other.

Kirk: True to life. So before we wrap up, I want to at least mention the seven hundred different little scenes they stuck in during the credits. I had to go look up what some of them meant, because there was a lot crammed in there. Did you follow everything the first time?

Fahey: I did, but I am a giant comic book nerd. We had the birth of Adam Warlock, a nod to the original Guardians of the Galaxy team starring Rocky, what else?

Kirk: The guy next to me was thrilled by the scene with the OG Guardians. It's kind of fun to gauge the importance of Marvel credits scenes by the reactions of the more informed folks around me. I liked Teen Groot.

Fahey: Teenage Groot, his room filled with pollen-dusted Kleenex.

Kirk: I gather that Adam Warlock is associated with the only remaining unclaimed Infinity Stone?

Fahey: Yes, Adam Warlock has an infinity stone on his forehead, though I've read he won't make it for the big Infinity War. Kind of sad, seeing as... well, look:

That's him.

Kirk: I guess at some point they have to cut it off or they will need to make six Infinity War movies, but that's too bad. It's wild to think that all this stuff from Guardians is going to eventually mesh with all the other characters and plotlines from the rest of the MCU. I can't wait to see them try, regardless of whether or not they succeed.


Comments

    I thought the film dragged too long in the middle also the CG spectacle fight scene(s) at the end went on forever.

    TLDR I wanted the movie to be an hour shorter ;)

    I really enjoyed Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol. 2.

    I thought it was a lot better than the first one. Don't get me wrong, I loved the first one, but for me personally, they just continued to build on the first one to make the second film bigger and better.

    Really happy with how it turned out.

      Yup. That was my conclusion, and the GF's after we saw it yesterday. Bigger and better than the first. Didn't have to waste time introducing the characters, could just straight up develop them. And DID develop them.

    I liked the first one better as I was able to come in with little to no expectations. I enjoyed the second however I felt it relied on cameos and pop culture references a little too much.

    5/7 would see again.

    These things are just an assault of CGI and wink nudge pop culture references and cynical fan service. And explosions. Don't forget them.
    Why not just take acid and put your wallet in the toilet? Same thing.

    Meanwhile actual quality cinema can't get any attention because people are willing to support this shit.

      What actual quality cinema? I want quality cinema and I want bombastic special effects. I agree that these days it seems to either or, but that's my point; I can't throw my wallet at a movie that actually achieves 'quality cinema' and everything that GotG2 did.

      Thanks for the hyperbole. People who get wrapped up in "quality cinema" often forget that one can watch movies to have fun. C'mon, tell me you didn't laugh (guiltily) when Groot fetched that dismembered thumb.

    It was 100% a marvel popcorn flick. Completely forgettable.

    I honestly barely remember any of it, and none of it was particularly amazing, just none of it was horrendously bad, and nerd fandom continues to throw money at the same old diarrhea on a spoon being shoveled down their throats.

      Why you have to be so mad? What do you want? I want Transformers to be good but I'd arguably say it couldn't get better than the likes of these comic book movies. It's not Shakespeare.

        I'm not mad. I'm just saying that this is exactly the same movie as every other recent Marvel movie. It does nothing that the other movies haven't already done a good dozen times at this point. They are largely the same movie with a different coat of paint at this point, and good on them, because that is what people want. It makes them money.

          Well that's more fair. More like being fed a spoonful of regular peanut butter than diarrhoea then.

          Honestly though, everything has been done by other movies at this point.

    Ha! I agree with everything here, except that I still enjoyed it. For me the first one was a 10/10, this one felt like a 4 or 5.

    Definitely felt like there was a missing laugh track and comedic pause for laughter in each scene. I actually thought of it more like George Lucas got a hold of it and turned it in to... shudder...

    Got sick of the presumed stupidity of the audience too. Like the ripe fruit joke. She just needed to spit it out subtly and we'd all get the joke. Feeling like they need to explain the joke was just insulting and annoying. Let me rewatch a great movie and find new jokes I missed every time... please...

    Drax bouncing around the trees in the crash landing? Sigh...

    Still, I enjoyed it, but felt like it wasn't going to take much to be a great movie again, yet they somehow screwed it up.

      Got sick of the presumed stupidity of the audience too. Like the ripe fruit joke. She just needed to spit it out subtly and we'd all get the joke.

      Don't always look at everything like their talking directly to the audience. That joke wasn't solely about explaining it, but making sure her character made a verbal acknowledgement that her enemies were right. This continued to grow as she had to realise that the Guardians were not going to hate her like she did them, and they'd have to get through their issues to survive.

      Drax is awesome! I think he was my favourite character in this movie. In the comics he's practically invulnerable and super strong so smashing through the trees isn't so out there. I don't remember Gamora being strong enough to hold him on the way down though.

      I didn't mind the ripe fruit joke but I agree they treated the audience like we're a bit stupid. I thought they did that more with the whole "we are family" aspect (strange that song wasn't on the soundtrack). Sure the movie is about family and creating your own if you don't have one. But it went a bit too over the top in the way they did it. "I'm your sister", "He may have been your father but he weren't your daddy", etc. I think they could have let the actions of the characters do the talking rather than the dialog.

      Still liked the movie though, but where GotG was a 9/10 this was maybe an 8.

      Oh, and Roger Dean album covers are awesome! Who wouldn't want their planet to look like a Yes album cover. Sidenote: we should have some Yes in the soundtrack too.

    I like that he got given a Zune... something no one on Earth uses.

    I really, really, thought the Yondu, Rocket, Groot, murder scene was terrible. Just, like, here's a mass murder scene, that we're going to play for laughs... ugh, I don't know. It made me uncomfortable.

      That's why I like that it practically opens with Rocket stealing the batteries - they're not heroes like Captain America.

      I felt uneasy with that mass murder scene as well. Though it was done quite artfully, and was somewhat understandable, since the mutineers did kill off the loyal crew.

      Mentioned this to a friend, and he had no problems. He even had no problems with his kids watching it. I dunno, it didn't sit right with me.

    Really enjoyable film that started and ended well. From the introduction to Kurt Russell to the reveal he killed Peter's mother was the weak point of the movie. Kurt was a great bad-guy for the film and played it well, but the lead up was so boring and predictable. As soon as Peter started wailing on him again though it picked right back up. Could do without the CGI fight scene.

    Glad to see it, would recommend if you watched the first or enjoy the marvel franchise. Would not watch again though.

    3/5

    Last edited 10/05/17 2:19 pm

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