The Stereotype That Women On Twitch Are 'Asking For It'

In a dark, blue-lit room last December, a man known as MetaphorSX was live-streaming World of Warcraft on Twitch and, during a break, decided to rate female Twitch streamers along with his viewers. One of his buddies, a World of Warcraft commentator, had just fetched him a new specimen: a young woman, wearing little makeup, in a red top and rectangular glasses. Anyone tuning into his channel would see what was on his monitor: a zone in WoW, his shadowy face on the top left and, front and center, the woman streaming League of Legends. A few viewers dropped scores in Twitch chat ranging from 6.5 to 9 in Twitch chat.

"Those titties are deceiving," said MetaphorSX. "They actually look pretty plump, but the angle is fucking it up. 8.5?" Over voice chat, a friend gave his take: "Listen bro, fuck the titties. If you're fucking her in the arse, you ain't seeing them anyway."

The woman on the chopping block was Khaljiit, a streamer with 36,000 followers who broadcasts Duelyst and whichever indie game catches her fancy. Suddenly in her chat, MetaphorSX's cronies appeared amongst those followers. She quickly caught on to what was happening. The minutiae of her body, and her general fuckability, had become a hot topic on some WoW stream.

It was, to her, harassment - unwelcome and unacceptable. (Neither MetaphorSX nor the WoW commentator returned a request for comment.)

Khaljiit wrote several tweets excoriating the men who live-rated her. "Another egirl getting upset over something she puts on display," someone would tweet in response. A second: "If she doesn't like the fact that someone is talking about her she can just quit! Btw she fucking deserve all of it!"

The WoW commentator later said she was "trying to create drama for [her] own gain." A greek chorus of Twitch cronies echoed those sentiments: Khaljiit was asking for it, they claimed. Bolstering their conviction were Khaljiit's public accounts on Instagram and Patreon, where she sells extra attention via Snapchat to her viewers: updates on her life, selfies and responses to fans' messages.

Khaljiit playing League of Legends on Twitch

"It's the 'asking for it' mindset," Khaljiit told me. 'I don't like it. I don't think any girl wants to be told, 'You were asking for it.' Unless I use my words to say something, I am not asking for it. Asking requires you to use words." Since the incident, Khaljiit says she's been live-rated on Twitch at least three more times.

For five years, there's been a line drawn in the sands of Twitch's ever-expanding livestreaming enterprise, which has grown to encompass over 2 million channels.

For some, the cultural divide goes like this: there are so-called "real gamers," whose trick shots, head shots or strategic mastery endear them to real gaming connoisseurs, and, over yonder, there are "boobie streamers." The supposed business model of these so-called "boobie streamers" is to sit pretty and solicit compliments from fans or insults from trolls in exchange for subscription money.

Dressed up, made-up and maybe in a push-up bra, they while away time in front of a camera for as long as they can before streaming a few minutes of the game designated in their video description. They are considered "fake" gamers.

Over time, it seems that the simple act of streaming and having boobs has elided into being a boobie streamer; that women on Twitch are "asking for" it - objectification, sexual comments - just because they're on the platform.

Soliciting this sort of attention on Twitch isn't a made-up business model. A few notable female streamers capitalise on it. It's also not the business model of most women on Twitch, although you wouldn't know it from how many Twitch viewers talk about female streamers.

Five years later, after a national conversation about catcalling and sexual harassment, the stereotype that most women on Twitch are "asking for it" has gotten more prevalent. As recently as last November, a streamer named Trainwreck went on a hateful rant about the "sluts that are coming into our community, taking the money, taking the subs." (That same streamer was previously suspended for live-rating women on his stream).

His rant, after which Twitch suspended him again, gave voice to a massive stereotype that's spread across gaming forums. The first page of results for "female" on the 200,000-strong subreddit /r/LivestreamFail brings up the following: "Women walks around in costume, sells her nudes on YouTube and claims she is an 'objectified Female'" (which was the most upvoted thread), "A dedicated and skilled female streamer on her way to becoming a Fortnite tournament champion!" (a clip of risque Twitch streamer Zoie Burgher gaming in a bikini) and "Female IRL streamer being put in her place" (what it sounds like).

Two big changes to the Twitch platform have exacerbated the tension. In December, 2016, Twitch added an "IRL" category for non-gaming activities like cooking and chatting with viewers. The category immediately gained a reputation: Finally, the thinking went in Twitch chats and on Twitch-related subreddits, these girls can stop pretending to like games and just use the platform to curry male attention. "Everyone was fine with the emergence of Twitch IRL until they started seeing women use it to profit," said the female Twitch streamer She Snaps.

"They were OK with watching Andy Milonakis eat a hot dog and talk to his friends on a park bench for hours, but when women started dancing and doing squats (or just chilling & talking) suddenly there was outcry about how Twitch is for gaming. Women are using it to exploit young children and steal their money, shame!"

On top of that, late last year, Twitch told select female streamers that they couldn't advertise their NSFW, or, in some cases, SFW, Patreon accounts on their Twitch channels. All of a sudden, it seemed like Twitch was lashing out against streamers whose businesses extend into cosplay photography, modelling or companionship - anything extra-gaming that relied on charisma or appearance. Finally, the thinking went, Twitch is cracking down on camwhores.

Khaljiit drinking wine and playing Dark Souls with her viewers

Most female streamers I interviewed said that their Twitch channel's success relies in part on the casual rapport they develop with viewers. While pro-level gameplay is one draw to Twitch streams, and some women do offer that, several women I interviewed say they offer a cross-platform friend experience in addition to good gameplay - something, many said, that differentiates them from male counterparts who have gameplay tunnel vision.

Fans come to their Twitch channels because they like their personalities on Snapchat, Instagram or Facebook. They offer some level of emotional intimacy, access to their unguarded thoughts; a look into their rooms and a place in the back seat while they game. Interactive, responsive on several social media platforms and always online, a lot of women on Twitch are viewed as accessible.

In a world other than ours where "give an inch, take a mile" is not a cliche, that would be all. It's not, and it's led both to rampant objectification of women on Twitch and pushback from women who are trying to re-establish the norms of fans interacting with women who stream.

She Snaps hosts conversations with viewers to discuss the idea that she, and other women on Twitch, are "asking" to be objectified. Some viewers who tune in tell her that they know what kind of attention a woman wants based on how she's dressed.

"This is very similar to saying, 'You were asking to be assaulted because you went out in the world dressed like that,'" She Snaps said. Of course, that's absurd. Unless a woman uses her words, she's not asking for something.

Djarii concentrating on a game of PlayerUnknown's Battlegrounds

"People often treat me like I'm asking to be objectified," Twitch streamer Djarii, who has 238,000 followers, told me. Djarii has seen women on Twitch who do cater to straight male thirst, but doesn't think that should have any bearing on what she does. She streams Battlegrounds and makes jokes - why should another streamer who happens to be of the same gender reflect on her? "It's their business. I can simply move on and mind my own business," she said.

To avoid being objectified, Djarii says, "I feel pressured into dressing a certain way to avoid being tormented online." In many of her other videos, she's wearing a sweater or a t-shirt, and when she's not, she's had to point out to viewers that she has boobs and she can't just hide them all the time.

However, Djarii occasionally streams herself body-painting. Wearing little else, she tones her skin to resemble characters from World of Warcraft, Starcraft or Game of Thrones. She says it's "a fun way to incorporate makeup into popular culture and video gaming. Essentially it's using yourself as a canvas."

During those streams, viewers who don't normally watch her Battlegrounds streams enter her chat to call her a whore to accuse her of selling her body in exchange for views.

"Not all women are trying to sell the sex image to grow their brand, and it's becoming impossible to tell people otherwise because the instant prejudices a lot of people have for women on Twitch is exactly that," Djarii says. People who don't know her click on her channel to tell her that she's a part of the "boobie streamer" disease that's crippling Twitch. The streamer She Snaps, who says she has been harassed daily on Twitch over the course of two years, says she's noticed people going out of their way to comb through Twitch's IRL section to report women who appear to violate Twitch's Terms of Service with sexual content.

Amouranth hanging out with her followers in Twitch's IRL section

It would be absurd to claim that every woman on Twitch draws the same boundaries when it comes to how viewers talk about their bodies. I interviewed the Twitch IRL streamer Amouranth, the woman lots of Twitch's more maladjusted denizens point to when they claim women are ruining Twitch.

She has 273,000 followers. In low-cut shirts and shorts, Amouranth does squats on stream, poses in revealing cosplay, dances around in a horse head and lolls around on the floor. Her Patreon offers "Sexy Cosplay & NSFW Video Content." Her chat is full of compliments, solicitations for sex and the occasional insult that makes it through her moderators.

"It's how it is for girls every day," she told me. "Welcome to being a female. I'm gonna be objectified even if I'm wearing a shirt up to my collarbone." And since it's so inevitable, she said, she's going to capitalise on it.

She's open about drawing in viewers with her looks. "If I'm feeling really sassy, I can act like I'm super offended and make them think they won. Then they post that clip on Reddit and YouTube and I get more views," she told me. In a video she posted after Twitch banned her last August, apparently for touching her breasts on stream, Amouranth jiggles her breasts, which the camera is pointed at, and jokes, "I got banned on Twitch, guys. Can you guess why?"

Both Khaljiit and Amouranth can both exist on the same platform, identify as women and have completely different business models. What they have in common is a culture in which straight male viewers, by default, assume that they want to be sexualised.

It doesn't matter how pretty they are or what they're wearing. They both exist on a platform where some viewers have decided how they want to be treated. Viewers should stick around her channel. Get a feel for its tone. Listening to a woman on Twitch is the only way you'll know what she's asking for.


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    Nice balanced and non-preachy article Cecilia - appreciate it!

    I do agree that a lot of women on twitch do use their bodies for view and not all women do that but yeah I think that twitch need to do something considering kids go on this site

    Also can people stop using objectification in the wrong way because objectifaction means to treat someone like an object and it is not objectification to be attracted to someone, I'm not defending these people who said those things online I'm just saying people should use better definition.

      I would say the parents should be moderating their children's media intake. That's really not Twitch's job.

    Good read, thanks :)

    Sounds like a frustrating situation with a lot of double standards.

    And people wonder why we need feminism...

      No. We don't need feminism. We need equality. I fight for equality, I've attended rallies and marched through the streets, as do many I know, yet no female I've met wants to be associated with feminism, it's been poisoned from the inside by insane radicals.

    It is so tricky, on one hand someone can profit from hornbag men/boys watching their channel because they are good looking and female, on the other men/boys are pissed off about that same thing, and then you have the men/boys that are just gross and abusive, and the channel owner is upset that hornbag horrible men/boys are coming to their channel.

    I never know what to make of any of it.
    People should be upset at getting any form of abusive behaviour, but then a lot of the monetisation comes from males that watch for sexualised reasons, the channel owners know this and use it to make more money. I personally wouldn't feel right doing that, but all the same, no one should be abusing people that do. Society is messed up, boundaries are difficult and I wish people weren't so crappy.

      The last part of what you said is the crux of it really. People use what they have to appeal to followers, whether it's skill, humour, sex appeal or anything else. If people don't like it they don't have to watch it. Having a whinge that there are women out there using sex appeal for popularity is such an egocentric thing to do, as though they have the right to dictate what other people can and can't do.

      Personally I take a lot more issue with people like Ricegum and the Paul brothers than with women flashing a bit of skin on stream.

        I agree, what I am conflicted with is people using sex appeal to attract followers, then the people having issues with being objectified.
        When it comes to abuse, there is no excuse, but complaints about being objectified when using your sex appeal to get subscribers seems odd.

          It's not odd when you think about it from a woman's point of view. They tart themselves up to attract people THEY WANT to be attracted to them. ANYONE ELSE who mentions their attractiveness is a harasser. How do you know if you are one of the chosen few who is within the target attractee audience for women? You don't.

          Basically, never mention a woman's appearance. Try to get to know her (in a non-stalky, non-creepy way) and then wait until she sends you verbal or non-verbal signals that she is attracted to you. ONLY THEN are you safe(-ish) to mention her appearance.

            That's an awfully broad brush there, and a little too close to appropriating a set of motivations and thoughts to an entire gender. Sometimes people just want to look nice for themselves, you know.

              Yep. Seems like yoshi has a few hang ups about women.

              True enough. But to say you want to just look good for yourself then go pose in front of a camera to show off to whomever wants to watch on the internet surely rings a little false?

              It could also be argued that women are also complaining because the guys are being sleazy in their comments, aka the "50 shades of grey" argument. Rewrite the book so the guy is poor instead of rich and it'd end part way through the first book with him in prison on sexual assault charges. The book is only "romantic" because he's rich.

              The same sentiment expressed in a different way would get zero attention.

            Commenting on someone's breasts is not the same as commenting on their appearance. Those people were rating how "bangable" the streamer was.

            If you want to know what's "acceptable" in terms on commenting on someone's appearance, consider this, would the equivalent complement be weird if you gave it to a guy you weren't particular close to?

            "You look really good in that dress" sounds a bit iffy because it'd be weird to say to Bob in accounting "You look really good in that suit". Something like "That's a great looking dress" translates to "That's a great looking suit". This sounds like a complementing the person not ogling them. As long as you don't say it while staring at their chest.

            I'm not sure why you're gendering the concept a dressing up on cam. Most people will wear what they find comfortable for what they are doing. A streamer might have a top that shows off cleavage, but chances are it's because they like how they look in that top. They might dress up in fuzzy onesies or pyjamas, that's to convey a sense of fun, in the exact same way that Dr Disrespect wears a wacky wig, along with oversize glasses and moustache.

              I like your theory, but what about if there's a lady with obviously exposed cleavage? Can I say, 'that's a nice top', when plainly the top is only along for the ride? I'd say in that case it would be safer not to say anything at all :-D

              I mean, I wouldn't say - 'nice jeans' - to this person... http://i.imgur.com/0BZFr.jpg

                Cam windows are hard, because you mainly only see the upper bodice. So either you really like their top, in that case, try articulate what you specifically like about it or you're actually trying to give a coded compliment their cleavage, something I wouldn't recommend.

                That being said, I try to consciously avoid any language that could make anyone else uncomfortable. People may think I'm being a bit over cautious and not have an issue with whatever compliments they give, I have friends that do. If so, please just try to read the non-verbal (and verbal) cues on how they feel when talking to others and try to modify your tone to accommodate.

              it'd be weird to say to Bob in accounting "You look really good in that suit".
              Err... It would? I have heard both versions (dress/suit) in the workplace without any sexual connotation involved whatsoever.

              It is actually possible to pay someone a comment about their entire appearance without desire or expectation of some kind of sexual activity. Just as it's possible to say something innocent while being sleazy AF.

                I try to avoid statements that confuse complimenting clothes with complimenting physique. Even if they are actively losing weight, some people become uncomfortable if they realise people notice their weight to begin with, and can become much more self conscious if they put that weight back on. Some people might be losing weight due to illness.

                All this is just how I look at phrasing compliments, not a written law. If ever I'm wearing a suit and you say I look really good in it, I'll try to refrain from calling the cops ;)

              If you want to know what's "acceptable" in terms on commenting on someone's appearance, consider this, would the equivalent complement be weird if you gave it to a guy you weren't particular close to?

              See also The Rock Test.

              I don't know I have said some borderline things to my male friends that wouldn't translate well to a woman if that statement is true.
              Like "man those jeans are too tight I can see your bulge" translates to "you got camel toe" nah but seriously telling Bob in accounting "You look really good in that suit" is fine don't know why it would be weird to compliment another man's looks. Unless your not comfortable enough with your own sexuality.

            The never fail method when it comes to someone you're interested in is this:

            "Greetings m'lady, I am a nice guy and not a serial killer." *Tip fedora*

            Make SURE it's a classy fedora and not some off brand kmart trilby. That's the only time it fails, when you wear a trilby by accident.

            *Looks around*

        The problem is that twitch's own rules state that you can't be overly sexual in your stream yet they never enforce the rule unless it's really extreme. If you want to sell sex they already have a place for that. They are called cam sites. Twitch should not be a place for that. The more it allows this stuff the more it harms legitimate female streamers who are then expected to sell their body instead of their personalities to get views. If I wanted to watch someone attractive with barely any clothes on I'd go to a cam site. Keep twitch focused on gaming.

          That's kind of the problem, isn't it. When the methods used by women to attract a mate are also used by women (as @alexwalker mentions above) who 'just want to look nice for themselves' men cannot use said methods to discover if a woman is trying to attract them or not. It is therefore safest never to comment on a woman's appearance unless you are already sure she is attracted to you.

            Isn't that how it would be in "real life"?

            As far as I'm concerned, it's their channel and they can do and feel what they want. A low cut top doesn't excuse inappropriate comments from followers. If it's not appropriate in real life, it's not appropriate on Twitch.

              Exactly. And even moreso, because while you could reasonably theorise that in real life a 'provocatively-dressed' woman wanted to romantically attract someone like you, you could not reasonably theorise that a 'provocatively-dressed' woman on a Twitch channel had any intention of romantically attracting someone like you. She might be trying to attract the male viewer, but this could not conceivably be in a romantic sense.

                I got to admit, the way you're talking about women. Like all in this pseudo scientific way, like they are some other species and a collective one at that not individuals, rather than just the opposite gender is kind of creeping me out.

                  I guess you would want to avoid nature documentaries then...

              Except Twitch isn't really the same as real life. In all likelihood, the streamer is never going to meet these people, thus there is zero expectation that any sexually provocative appearance/talk/action is done for any purpose other than to titillate. Again, that's perfectly fine, but to subsequently complain because people have been titillated and are responding as such is somewhat disingenuous.

                Here's a tip. It's still real life.

                  Here's a tip. Interaction on the internet is not the same as in person.

                  You must be new here...

            Protip: if you're watching a woman streaming she's not trying to "attract you as a mate". It's that simple.

              Big mistake responding to him. Now that you have communicated with him, he's going to assume you want him as a mate. He seems like one of those people.

          I don't have a problem with sexy streaming being on the platform, and I don't get the impression most people are bothered by it. What (non-incel) people mostly have an issue with is Twitch applying their rules on what's allowed inconsistently - they do enforce it, they just don't apply the same standards to everyone, and that's a problem.

          I don't consider that it delegitimises normal female streamers either. The blame for that lies squarely on the people holding that expectation in the first place, the lowlifes who think women only exist to titillate them. Both on Twitch and in real life, some women choose to do that and most don't, and the way these viewers are acting is as if they saw a strip show at a club and then walked out onto the street and told a random woman on the street to take her top off. The problem isn't that strip clubs exist (or that Twitch allows sexy streams), the problem is they're projecting the choice of one or a few women to onto all women. That's an objectification and entitlement problem that will manifest anywhere, whether it's harassing women on Twitch or telling a bargirl to get her tits out.

      Simply put, sex sells. It always has, it always will. And you know what? I'm absolutely fine with that.

      The thing is that women can't have it both ways. There are women who are clearly capitalising on sex appeal and using it to gain subs. No, the camera does not have to be pointed at their breasts, no matter how big they are. It really can be positioned so it's not pointed at cleavage revealed by a low cut top. Women don't play games causally at home in an after-5 dress. This is using sex to sell. And that's absolutely fine.

      What doesn't fly is these women then complaining about having people making sexually charged comments. Sex is being used to sell, so it is hypocritical to complain about being sexualised when that was a choice the streamer already made.

      That said, the toxicity towards these women saying they are killing Twitch or that they are fake or whatever else, is also unacceptable. They've got a fan base, and they have it for a reason. Whining about it is nothing but jealous vitriol from people who can't make money in the same way.

        No. They can do what they want.

          I'm not sure what you're arguing for there - women's rights to complain about being sexualised after they've sexualised their content, or people being able to abuse others because of jealousy.

            This is the whole "she was asking for it because she had her boobs out argument", which is ridiculous.

              Um, no. You're saying this is the equivalent of rape, which it most certainly is not.

              If a guy oiled up a streamed while naked, there would be comments about his appearance. And that would be absolutely expected.

              I'm not saying that I think anything goes, but if sex appeal is being used to sell something, it's ridiculous to turn complain about people responding to said sex appeal.

              You seem to think that there can be no sexual comments unless requested. That's not even how real life works. If it did, there would be no such thing as flirting.

        It all depends what the comment is.
        There is a massive difference between saying some one has a nice rack and that's why you watch their channel compared to going into detail about how you would molest them.

        Just because you are sexualising yourself does mean you should accept abuse. You could even put it close to rape analogies.

        I have wooed many people with sexually charged Comments, but there are limits, social standards, emotions and hundreds of other things that go into human interaction. There even used to be names for some of these things, flirting was one.

        Are we a society that is so disconnected from human inter action we have forgotten how to act?

    It is only a matter of time before Twitch implodes bigger than YouTube.

    It is a great idea but its acceptance of all sorts of unacceptable behaviour will be Twitch’s downfall. The guidance has to come from Twitch itself and they just don’t seem interested in tackling their biggest problems.

    It is only a matter of time before Twitch implodes bigger than YouTube.

    It is a great idea but its acceptance of all sorts of unacceptable behaviour will be Twitch’s downfall. The guidance has to come from Twitch itself and they just don’t seem interested in tackling their biggest problems.

    Great article, Cecilia. Wasn't expecting anything this involved when I clicked through. But damn, the thoughtless masogyny of all these kids makes me saaaaaad.

    In the immortal words of Terry Pratchett, the IQ of a group of people is the IQ of it's stupidest member, divided by the number of people. F#@k you, internet.

    1. As long as they set their channel to mature, what dif does it make if there are "boobie-streamers"?

    2. Twitch chat is cancer. Don't even look at it.

    So many conflicting feels, but mostly I got to this: 1. Not surprised that there are beta male sexists all over Twitch, it goes with gaming turf (sometimes people play games instead of socially exercising and it does have a cost, thank you WoW players) and 2. Peeps are allowed to attention whore and you're allowed to have opinion on it, but sharing an opinion is not the same as rating an equal's boobies.
    I think we are witnessing the disparity of social awareness between groups.
    I've hung out with gamers that spend the majority of their life online. So many become little Weinsteins due to the damage it does socially.
    Prove me wrong people!

      Sorry to shake your boat, but contrary to the memes you seem to actually believe, beta males do not exist. Other than that, I completely agree.

        Ha! Okay man. Society is this reasonable and balanced construct where everyone is on an equal playing field and there is no such thing as insecure little men children as a result.

          Sorry, that went straight over your head. I didn't say that the people you like to delusionally call betas don't exist. Just that the stupid meme you used doesn't, which is itself based on a stupid erroneous popular belief about animal and predator social constructs, which even if in an alternate reality were true can't possibly be applied to humans. Betas, alphas, omegas and whatever other stupid crap people want to make up, do not exist, cannot exist in the complexity of human existence, and are only perpetuated by the intellectually challenged or blinded.

          I'm not harping on you specifically, really, but loser works just as well, and does actually exist.

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            I think the memes detracted from the issue of beta male self esteem and it's affect on others.
            I spent five years running an IT department full of what are clearly inadequate male workers. Most prioritised playin WoW over being present at work, called in sick to play games regularly, CRIED when they didn't get their own way, and frequently bitched out female co-workers in the industry for not being "real IT people".
            If your identity is hinged so heavily on your personal interests that it hurts your feels to see others dip their toes into your sphere, you are weakening yourself socially.
            I manage people for a living. Beta males exist. And they don't take responsibility for the feelings you make them experience. Striving for emotional intelligence is a noble pursuit.
            If you're worried about being beta, work on your sensitivity and self perception is all I'm saying. We all have to do it!

    The only thing i don't understand is the guy going "These sluts are taking our subs"

    Like, i don't think that if these girls are removed from twitch that there subs are gonna go "oh well i guess i'll subscribe to 'EpicGamerIncel99' " now.

    anyway, let them do what they want, if they want to be sexy then let them, and if they do you have no right to tell them to stop, or shame them for doing it.

    The mind boggles. I honestly can't believe that in 2018 this is still happening.

    People watching Twitch, that is.

      Free-to-air TV and Foxtel isn't exactly doubling as a great alternative for entertainment most days.

        I agree, which is why I generally play video games in my spare time as opposed to watching some nobody stream themselves playing.

      I can't believe it's 2018 and people still don't understand the appeals of Twitch.

        I'd rather watch paint dry. I don't know these people and definitely don't want to watch someone else play a game when I can just play it myself. It's like having a friend describe a movie instead of going to see it yourself.

    FYI if you're wondering why your comment has gone and you're sure it was OK it's likely because I had to trash a parent comment above it and that's kind of like sweeping one bit of dust into a bin.

    Carry on. One thing I'd ask people to think about: consider what you'd wear yourself, if you were going to sit at home or in a studio in front a camera for 6/8/10 hours a day multiple days a week, and what would actually be comfortable and/or practical. Little bit of empathy helps.

      Let's see you get rid of the utterly disgusting garbage fire that is the 'well if you use sex to sell you're asking for it'

    Excuse me? These comments are fucked... "what about the CHILDREN" "you can see her cleavage!!!" Etc..

    Girls have boobs, its not the dark ages, they can be showing... it doesn't mean its sexual or for subs at all not even close. Honestly not a big fan of modern feminism but I just might be after reading these comments.

    Also fuck the children looking at so called "sexual" streams, if they wanted they could be deep in porn hub. What a SHIT arguement. Girls have boobs they shouldn't have to cover them up just so the virgins don't get sad.

      "what about the children?"
      yeah, there is a problem. They might get exposed to the toxic commentary and think that online abuse is acceptable.

        True, I feel like most kids see through the mountain dewsters shit now days

      Whats next, flaunting ankles?!

      Seriously though, the kids are more likely to be on Pornhub looking at boobs.

        I actually like a good ankle and streamers never have the cam down there :(

    The guys complaining about losing views are delusional, if all women on twitch suddenly left there views wouldn't increase at all the guys watching "Boobbie Streamers" would just go to a free Cam site or something.
    As for women using there bodys to get views in the first place, so what they are using an asset they have to make a living don't judge.
    At the same time it is pretty crappy to rate women in specific ways (breasts or whatnot) but rating them overall I don't really have an issue with, we do it to celebrities and people in the public arena, putting yourself out there it's part of it, I'm not saying they are asking for abuse but seriously people magazine does a 50 hottest men and women every year. We judge people on apearence without noticing it all the time and we rate people too.

      They can dress how they like do what they like, but you will garner the attention you may not want.
      Rating someone hot or not is fine, rating there bangability is something you should keep to yourself. And I know men and women do it.
      I'm not trying to brag but in one of the jobs I worked the girls there rated the guys on if they were hot or not and there bangability and I apparently came out on top, so said one of the girls drunk at a party I threw.
      The point guys have no filter girls are just a bit more tactful/respectful I guess

    I would hate to be a female streamer, purely because of this crap. It sucks that the spineless nobodies egging on this sort of vile behaviour and those purportrating it aren't being held more accountable for their actions.

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