The Past, Present, And Future Of Diablo

The Past, Present, And Future Of Diablo

On November 2, 2018, Blizzard closed its annual BlizzCon keynote by announcing, to scattered applause, a Diablo game for phones. It was a baffling marketing decision that immediately set off controversy, as fans of Blizzard’s iconic action-role-playing game franchise loudly accused the company of neglecting its PC players.

This story originally appeared in November 2018.

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Perhaps Blizzard’s marketing department had expected Diablo fans to be excited about Diablo Immortal, but the announcement was yet another strange move in a string of bizarre Diablo-related decisions over the past few years. After Diablo III‘s disastrous launch on PC in 2012 and a road to redemption that culminated with 2014’s expansion, Reaper of Souls, fans had expected long-term support and perhaps a second expansion for the third Diablo. It had sold more than 30 million copies, after all.

But since 2014, updates to Diablo III have been light and sporadic, and four years later, Blizzard’s announcement of Diablo Immortal at a time when fans are hungry for any news of a Diablo IV has led to big questions about the future of the franchise.

What’s really going on with Diablo? What happened to Diablo III‘s long-term plan? Is Diablo Immortal, developed in part outside of Blizzard by the Chinese company NetEase, a sign that Blizzard has lowered its standards or abandoned its core audience? Is there a Diablo IV in development, or has Blizzard given up on PC games in favour of phones?

To try to answer these questions, I’ve spoken to 11 current and former Blizzard employees, all of whom spoke anonymously because they were not authorised to speak to press. They’ve told me about a cancelled second expansion for Diablo III, and about Diablo IV, which is indeed in development but was rebooted in 2016.

They’ve talked about the series’ popularity in China, which is one of the main reasons for Diablo Immortal‘s existence, and about how the spectre of the cancelled game Titan hangs over many of Blizzard’s decisions.

Some of those people also raised questions about Activision’s influence on the beloved video game company. Activision merged with the publisher Vivendi (at the time, Blizzard’s holding company) to become Activision Blizzard in 2008, but over the past decade Blizzard has prided itself in remaining a separate entity.

With its own management structure and its own campus in Irvine, California, Blizzard has always stood out from Activision’s other divisions and subsidiaries. (Activision HQ is based about an hour northwest, in Santa Monica.)

Rather than sticking to strict production cycles that result in, say, annual Call of Duty games for Activision, Blizzard has traditionally given its developers as much time as possible. That’s one of the reasons the company has been renowned for making some of the greatest games in the world.

This year, however, Blizzard employees say that one of the biggest ongoing conversations has been cutting costs. To fans, and even to some people who work or have worked at Blizzard, there’s a concern that something deep within the company’s culture may be changing.

When reached for comment, Blizzard sent over an e-mailed statement, attributed to a company spokesperson, that I’ll quote throughout this piece. “Blizzard has been and continues to be a developer-driven company,” the company said.

“All of the games we create represent ideas our game developers themselves are passionate about. This is as true for Diablo Immortal as it was for Warcraft: Orcs & Humans, or Overwatch, or any game we’ve ever made. We believe that the best games to make are ones that our developers believe in.”

In late 2013 or perhaps early 2014, not long before the release of Reaper of Souls, Blizzard made an internal announcement that shocked the development team: Diablo III‘s second expansion was cancelled.

Team 3, the Blizzard department responsible for Diablo, hadn’t done a ton of work on this second expansion”they were mostly focused on Reaper – but it was planned as their next project. And now it wasn’t happening.

“What they told the team was, “˜You’ve finished Reaper of Souls, it’s really good. But we think the best thing for the IP is to move to Diablo IV in whatever form that’ll be,'” said one person who was there.

“The overall sense on the team, at least in my impression, was that there was a vote of no confidence from the executives. They thought Diablo III was a giant fuck-up.”

Had Diablo III really been a giant fuck-up? Sure, the highly anticipated action-RPG had launched in May 2012 to immediate catastrophe, as fans across the world tried to open up the game and found themselves unable to play thanks to the dreaded “Error 37,” a warning-turned-meme that popped up every time the game was inaccessible.

There were other problems, too, like a brutal difficulty spike and the real-money auction house, which allowed players to buy and sell loot for cash, skewing Diablo III‘s item balance.

Throughout 2012 and 2013, Blizzard’s Team 3 addressed many of these issues, overhauling the difficulty system and removing the auction house. Diablo III evolved into a beloved game, and with Reaper of Souls, which came out in March 2014, the team turned it into one of the most critically acclaimed action-RPGs out there. Why, then, would Blizzard cancel the second one?

“A lot of people felt stunned by it,” said the person who was there. “I think a lot of them felt like, “˜We made mistakes on Diablo III, but we learned and we made Reaper to show what we could do. We have fixed it, and Reaper‘s really good.’ I think a lot of people felt like we’d figured it out and we know how to do this, and expansion two, whatever it would’ve been, would’ve been the highest expression of that”¦ To have them pull the plug without really seeing how Reaper did really stung.”

It’s still not clear why Blizzard wouldn’t want to support a game that had been so commercially successful, but the theory on Team 3 was that Blizzard’s management had lost faith in Diablo III and saw it as a failure, even before Reaper launched. “The perception overall was that management thought, “˜This team really screwed up,'” said one person who was there. “They could’ve held off a few months and seen how Reaper did, but in their mind [Diablo III] was irredeemable.” (When Reaper launched on PC in late March, 2014, Blizzard said it sold 2.7 million copies in its first week”a big number, but only a fraction of the ~15 million copies that Diablo III had sold across PC and consoles.)

When asked, Blizzard did not address the cancellation of this expansion, but as part of a broader statement, spoke about cancellations in general. “As far as game cancellations, we see that as a strength – a reflection of our commitment to quality, and how we’ve always operated,” the spokesperson said.

“Historically, we’ve launched about 50% of the total projects we’ve worked on over the past three decades”those are the ones we consider representative of Blizzard quality. Not shipping a game is never an easy decision to make, but it has always been the right decision for us. Cancelling Titan led us to Overwatch, and as another example, cancelling Nomad led us to World of Warcraft.”

In March 2014, as fans celebrated the return of Diablo III with the triumphant Reaper of Souls, Team 3 was splitting up. Some developers left the company; others moved to different projects, like World of Warcraft or the nascent Overwatch. Some stuck around to work on patches for Diablo III, but Team 3 was no longer in full swing.

“At the point they had the strongest Diablo development team ever, they scattered them all to the winds,” said one person who worked on Reaper of Souls. To those developers, it was a baffling move by Blizzard’s management. Giving the team more time to see how Reaper performed and how the second expansion was shaping up “would’ve been much more Blizzard-like,” that person said.

made a video for BlizzCon in which co-founder Allen Adham talked about Diablo IV. Blizzard later disputed that the video had been made for BlizzCon.

In conversations since then, two sources told me that regardless of the company’s statement, there had been plans throughout 2018 to announce the game this year. “In January, they were still full set on, “˜We’re going to do this right, we’re going to have a playable demo,'” said one. “By the time we’d hit May, that game wasn’t far enough along. It’s normal problems. Things going slower than they’d like.”

By the American summer, that person said, they were still under the impression that a tease was happening. “I think it’s semantics … If they changed their mind at any point, they can say, “˜Oh, it wasn’t scheduled.’ At least what we were told as a development team, it was supposed to get teased, that was always the intention.”

On the flip side, a current developer in a non-Diablo department who was involved in BlizzCon planning told me that to their knowledge, there was no Diablo IV announcement ever planned for the show.

ImageDiablo Immortal was announced during BlizzCon 2018 to widespread negative reception (Screenshot: Blizzard)

Plans or no plans, the Diablo IV announcement didn’t happen. Here’s one theory as to why: Blizzard is haunted by the specter of Titan.

Titan was the code-name for a brand new MMO that Blizzard started developing around 2007. Envisioned as a cross between The Sims, Left 4 Dead, and Team Fortress 2, where you’d run businesses during the day and turn into a superhero at night, Titan was meant to be a different twist on the genre that Blizzard had already mastered with World of Warcraft. (You can read more about Titan in our 2014 report on how it would have worked.)

In the beginning of 2013, after a long and protracted development cycle, Blizzard canceled Titan. Part of the team went on to make Overwatch, which would become a big success, but the project became a black eye for Blizzard”a massive sink of time and money that was also, much to some people’s dismay, public knowledge. Not only had they wasted resources on this failed game”everybody knew about it. Blizzard had acknowledged the project in 2008, and its existence had been frequently hinted and asked about in the years that followed.

So with Fenris fairly early in development”and with the fourth Diablo already having gone through one big reboot”it’s fair to wonder if the team was worried about another lengthy development cycle that might end in disaster. Even the words “Diablo IV“ might have set expectations that the developers didn’t want to establish just yet.

“The Diablo team is very paranoid about saying something too soon and then getting stuck in a loop,” said one former Blizzard developer. “They don’t want to show the game until they have a trailer, a demo.”

“Obviously Titan looms over all of us,” said another former Blizzard developer. Despite Overwatch‘s emergence from Titan‘s ashes, the developer added, “people don’t look at Titan and see a success.”

“I think there’s a desire to announce stuff within a reasonably close proximity to when people are gonna get to play it,” said a current Blizzard developer, pointing to both Titan and Blizzard’s other infamously canceled project, StarCraft: Ghost. “[Those] just set people up for a lot of disappointment.”

In a statement, Blizzard confirmed as much. “In terms of unannounced games, so much can change over the course of development based on how we’re feeling about the progress and direction of the project,” the company said.

“So we try not to share details about unannounced projects before we’re ready. Our preference is to have a clear announcement plan with some concrete details and hopefully a playable demo of the game when we announce. That applies to our Diablo projects and our other games as well.”

It’s also fair to wonder: Just how much has Titan affected Blizzard’s development process? Over the past few years we’ve seen Titan‘s seven- to eight-year cycle, Diablo III (which entered development in the early 2000s but was not released until 2012), and StarCraft II (2003 to 2010).

Some veteran Blizzard developers have spent over 10 years on a single project, which has driven some of them to crave smaller, shorter games. That’s one of the reasons Blizzard now operates a secretive new department”one that functions a little bit differently than its other divisions.

In the days following BlizzCon 2018, as Diablo fans across the world raged about the announcement of Diablo Immortal and lack of news on Diablo IV, many of them wondered: Was Diablo Immortal‘s development detracting from other Diablo games?

As it turns out, Diablo IV and Diablo Immortal are developed by different teams of people in different divisions. While the project known as Fenris is in production at Team 3, Diablo Immortal is partially developed by NetEase and partially made by a small group of Blizzard employees who work for one of the company’s newest departments: incubation.

In 2016, when Blizzard co-founder Allen Adham returned to the company, he announced that he was heading up that new department. Inspired by the massive success of the experimental card game Hearthstone (2014), this “incubation” department would help cultivate new creative projects for the company.

It attracted some of Blizzard’s veteran developers, like Tom Chilton, who had been director of World of Warcraft for six years and a designer on the game for another six before that. (Now, Chilton is heading up a mobile game.)

Another veteran designer who moved to incubation was Wyatt Cheng, who had worked on Diablo III for over a decade and wanted a break, according to two people who know him. Blizzard had partnered with a Chinese company called NetEase to publish Diablo III as a free-to-play game in China, where it was a big success.

At some point in 2016 or 2017, the two companies decided to collaborate, putting together what would be called Diablo Immortal – a Diablo game, with Cheng as lead designer, made only for phones.

“Essentially it exists because we’ve heard that China really wants it,” said a current developer. “It is really for China.”

Three Blizzard sources told me that the original plan for Diablo Immortal had been to release it only in China at first for a few months or maybe a year, in large part to test it out among Chinese fans before releasing it in the west. “The quality bar in the Chinese market, especially for framerate, is extremely low,” said one.

“You can release something that’d be considered alpha footage here and it’d be a finished game there.” Later, those sources said, Blizzard decided to take more time to polish the game and prepare it for a simultaneous global announcement and release.

In a statement, Blizzard said that Diablo Immortal had been developed for both Western and Eastern markets but did not comment on whether the game was originally planned to launch in China first. “One of our core values is “˜think globally’ and our history has shown that we strive to make our games in as many languages as possible so more players can enjoy them,” a spokesperson said.

“With that in mind, we quickly knew that we wanted to bring Diablo Immortal to the global audience.”

Diablo Immortal isn’t the only mobile game in development at Blizzard’s incubation department, and although a sceptical fan might question the motivations behind these games, some current and former employees insist that these games are in development because Blizzard’s developers genuinely want to make them.

“There are lots of mobile game players at Blizzard,” said a current developer. “There are lots of people actually excited about mobile games. The reaction inside the company to Immortal is very different than the reaction outside the company. Part of the thinking on a lot of these is, people want to work on smaller projects. Smaller projects in mobile tend to make sense.”

For example, developers told me, quite a few people at Blizzard play Pokémon Go, the massively popular mobile game that lets you use your phone’s camera to catch wild creatures. As one developer explained, the iconic orc statue in the center of Blizzard’s campus is a Pokéstop, and staff wage war over who gets to control the landmark on a daily basis.

The natural extension of that was for one of Blizzard’s incubation teams to develop a Warcraft version of Pokémon Go, which is in development for smartphones now. Surely it occurred to the decision-makers at Blizzard that this Warcraft spinoff could be a massive revenue generator, but the game is also in production because lead designer Cory Stockton (formerly of World of Warcraft) is a huge fan of Pokémon. (People who have played the Warcraft mobile game say it’s also got a lot more to it than Pokémon Go, including single-player mechanics.)

Perhaps it’s a win-win for Adham. With mobile games, Blizzard can please Activision’s investors by appealing to burgeoning video game markets in China and India, and Blizzard can also satisfy its veteran developers by letting them work on smaller projects that they really want to make.

“The reality is, everything that is in incubation at Blizzard is in incubation because Allen Adham believed they were worthwhile,” said another current developer. These mobile games might not appeal to as many of Blizzard’s hardcore fans”those who prefer to play games mainly on PCs”but they have appealed very much to the developers.

Yet over the past year, Activision’s influence on Blizzard has been very real – and Blizzard staff say things are starting to feel a little different for the once-autonomous company.

In the spring of 2018, during Blizzard’s annual company-wide “Battle Plan” meeting, chief financial officer Amrita Ahuja spoke to all of the staff, according to two people who were there. In what came as a surprise to many, she told Blizzard that one of the company’s goals for the coming year was to save money.

“This is the first year we’ve heard a priority being cutting costs and trying not to spend as much,” said one person who was in the meeting. “It was presented as, “˜Don’t spend money where it isn’t necessary.'”

Ahuja was new to Blizzard, having started as CFO that spring as a transplant from 3100 Ocean Park, the Santa Monica-based Activision headquarters where she’d spent eight years working in the finance and investor relations departments. There was a perception among Blizzard staff that she had come in to clean up the spreadsheets, to save as much money as possible while at the same time bolstering Blizzard’s product output. (In a statement, Blizzard said, “We actively recruited [Ahuja] and we chose her out of a large, very competitive, and highly-qualified set of candidates.”)

2016’s Overwatch had been a smash hit, but in 2017 and 2018 the company shipped very little – there was a StarCraft remaster, a World of Warcraft expansion, and of course, patches and updates for other games. That was it.

Traditionally, Blizzard has remained entirely separate from Activision, with its own quality standards and branding, to the point where they felt like two different companies. You might be able to find World of Warcraft Easter eggs in StarCraft II, but you’d never see an Overwatch character in Call of Duty.

In recent years, however, that’s changed. Blizzard’s digital store,, now features Activision games like Destiny 2 and Call of Duty: Black Ops 4. Bungie appeared on the BlizzCon 2018 stream to announce that Destiny 2 would be temporarily free. And there’s been a perception among Blizzard developers that the two companies are growing more and more intertwined.

As it turned out, 2018 would be a weak year for Activision. The publisher was unhappy with Destiny‘s performance and would take a major stock hit in November following fiscal third-quarter results that disappointed investors.

One worrying trend for the bean-counters was the stagnancy of Blizzard’s MAUs – monthly active users – which are seen as a pivotal metric for service games like Hearthstone and Overwatch. Throughout 2018, as Activision has told investors, those numbers have declined.

Combined with Blizzard’s lack of new games, it’s easy to see why Activision’s executives may have wanted to intervene.

“You would’ve thought Blizzard was going under and we had no money,” said a former Blizzard staffer, who told me they left the company this year in part because of Activision’s influence.

“The way every little thing was being scrutinised from a spend perspective. That’s obviously not the case. But this was the very first time I ever heard, “˜We need to show growth.’ That was just so incredibly disheartening for me.”


Blizzard appears to be bolstering headcount for its development teams”one current developer said their team was encouraged to get bigger”while cutting as many costs as possible elsewhere.

It’s a process that may not be done yet, as Activision seems to still be looking to boost Blizzard’s content output and release more games on a regular schedule. Ahuja’s comments in the spring of 2018 may have simply been the beginning.

“We are being told to spend less at every corner because we have no new IP,” said one former developer. “Because Overwatch set this bar of how much we could earn in a single year, there’s a ton of pressure from Activision to get shit moving. They want something to show shareholders.” (During an earnings call after Overwatch launched, Activision said it had brought in over a billion dollars in revenue.)

Then, in October 2018, Blizzard lost its leader. Co-founder Mike Morhaime, the soft-spoken CEO who jovially addressed fans at every BlizzCon, said he was stepping down, to be replaced by veteran World of Warcraft producer J. Allen Brack. Allen Adham and chief development officer Ray Gresko also joined Blizzard’s executive management team, perhaps to help ensure that the studio would be helmed by game developers who lived and breathed Blizzard.

It was a massive shake-up for Blizzard, and it came during a time when there were already questions about Activision’s influences. Morhaime was widely beloved at the company. One former Blizzard developer described him as the “anti-CEO.”

“He doesn’t care about profitability,” that person said. “He just wants employees to be happy, and he just wants to make good games and keep the community happy.”

Suddenly, there were whispers in hallways, concerns about future cost-cutting initiatives and furtive exchanges about what plans Activision CEO Bobby Kotick might have in mind for Blizzard.

“There’s a perception within Blizzard that finance is making more calls than they ever did in the past,” said one person who left Blizzard recently. “You never heard that three or four years ago.”

Cultural shifts aren’t always blatant. Anyone who’s worked for a major corporation can attest to the invisible pressures that can emerge over time. “There’s a temptation to cast Activision as the villain,” said one current developer. “I think the influences are far more subtle than that.”

Someone at Blizzard might make a decision with the best of intentions in mind, but if they subconsciously know that their corporate bosses at Activision want to cut costs and please investors, who knows how that might affect their judgement? With Activision and Blizzard growing less and less separate, what kind of overlaps will we see across their various divisions?

These days, there’s trepidation surrounding Blizzard, both externally and internally. Strange decisions surrounding the Diablo franchise have exacerbated that, and in fact, some who work or have worked at Blizzard believe that cancelling Diablo III‘s second expansion was one of the company’s biggest mistakes in recent years.

Recalled one Blizzard veteran: “I remember a lot of us looking at each other and saying, “˜Man, if we had just done that second expansion instead of losing half the team as a result of the cancellation, and then all of the personnel changes, management changes, then this walk down the road of Hades … If we hadn’t done any of that and had just focused on doing a solid third act for Diablo, it’d be out by now.'”

There is a future for Diablo, one that isn’t solely limited to mobile games. Diablo III may have wound down, but Diablo 4 is still in the works, despite the culture of secrecy that has prevented Blizzard from mentioning it by name. There’s no way to know what may happen to the project in the future, but right now, it exists.

The big question is, what will Blizzard look like in two years? In five? How will corporate expectations and tensions impact what has been one of the most beloved companies in video games for nearly three decades? We may not know the answers until BlizzCon 2028.


  • “All of the games we create represent ideas our game developers themselves are passionate about. This is as true for Diablo Immortal as it was for Warcraft: Orcs & Humans, or Overwatch, or any game we’ve ever made. We believe that the best games to make are ones that our developers believe in.”

    Blink twice if you are under duress.

    • Cultural shifts aren’t always blatant. Anyone who’s worked for a major corporation can attest to the invisible pressures that can emerge over time…
      Someone at Blizzard might make a decision with the best of intentions in mind, but if they subconsciously know that their corporate bosses at Activision want to cut costs and please investors, who knows how that might affect their judgement?

      Hah. Just ask ‘we came up with this always-online forced-multiplayer Sim City bullshit ourselves, it totally wasn’t EA,’ Maxis, who fell on their own swords for EA and were rewarded by getting fatally thrown under a bus.

      • This year, however, Blizzard employees say that one of the biggest ongoing conversations has been cutting costs. To fans, and even to some people who work or have worked at Blizzard, there’s a concern that something deep within the company’s culture may be changing.

        These sort of quotes really bother me. As long as a game is profitable management shouldn’t be fucking with it. Sure if it’s making a loss or scraping through on the bones of it’s arse step in and do something. But having some arbitrary profit goal that could be unrealistic doesn’t help. Especially when you’re dealing with games that have passionate long term fanbases.

        As was pointed out in the article, they could have waited to see how RoS did (I can’t believe it didn’t make a profit) and then release another xpac. Stop shooting for billion dollar blockbusters that make insane profits and instead produce consistent products that players want and make moderate profits.

        Honestly fuck the shareholders. The constant drive for *maximum* profit is killing quality.

        • Honestly fuck the shareholders. On one side of the coin you have Blizzard, who I really think agrees with that thought. While they’re in it to make money, its not at the expense of quality. When its done has been a serious mantra there for a long time.

          On the other hand, you have Activision, who I think are the total opposite. if a company isn’t making a profit in a given year, it means they’re making a loss. And they answer to the shareholders, so any loss on the books looks bad.

          Those shareholders only care about profit in a given year, which drives their dividend. That’s where these conversations start. Then, because releases are a few years apart, those ‘losses’ add up over 3 or 4 years. 2017 had nothing, neither has 2018, and 2019 isn’t looking big either.

          If Blizzard truly is independent, its a moot conversation. They’ll still release things when its done, and point to their sales on release as being plenty to fill the gap years. Bethesda works the same, with no overlords, and games every 4 or 5 years.

          Meanwhile, look at EA and Ubisoft, who invest hundreds of millions into their annual franchises. If EA wasn’t squirting out annual releases of FIFA, Madden, Battlefield, etc, they’d have the same conversations, ditto with Ubisoft with AC and CoD games.

          Its simply shareholder pressure. When shareholders win, you get a lack of innovation, because they have to do things by the numbers rather than take a risk.

          • that was a long article……

            Jason should edit the article and at the top just put TLDR Shareholders are ruining video games. @drumbaxj 2018

          • Which is where I see the problem. Being subject to corporate and shareholder whims doesn’t produce quality, it churns out mediocrity. Even failures that don’t make money on their own aren’t necessarily a loss for the company. If they learn from an experiment (eg: Titan or Ghost) and something better comes out of it then surely that’s better than releasing some half baked mess that makes some money initially but is a dud over the course of time.

            Let’s be honest, there are plenty of industries where profits are delayed, potentially for years. The entertainment industry is just one of them. As long as things are on plan it shouldn’t matter if there is no blockbuster release making a huge profit this year, or next year. As long as over the course of time it’s set to make a profit.

          • Capitalism at its finest. If investors had to prove they believed in, actually used and/or supported the product/industry/company they are investing in, as happened in the early days, then we wouldn’t be in this unsustainable, self-destructive cluster-fuck in the gaming industry.
            Game over man, game over.

  • Well that was an unpleasant roller-coaster. More downs than ups, unfortunately. Deeper, darker, seedier downs. I literally said out loud, “Oh for fuck’s sake,” when I read that they were aiming to make Diablo more social, more MMO-lite. That, plus the monetization concerns were a real buzzkill, this morning.

    Glad it was written, though. And I trust Jason’s sources.

    • I could be wrong, but isn’t that kind of like PoE? There’s a centralised storyline that’s followed and can be done pretty much solo, but interactions with others are still possible?

      • Gotta confess I haven’t played enough PoE to know. All I remember of it from its initial launch months is that it was always-online, had centralized hub areas where a bunch of randoms would mill around NPCs, and once you went out in to the world you could avoid them. I gave it up because movement was slow, inventory was incredibly restrictive, and currency was frustrating. When I expressed this, the fanboys said that was what was awesome about it, so I quickly realized that we are entirely fucking different people with opposite priorities, and ignored it ever after as something that was by all reports doing something well for the kind of people who were interested in that.

        • Given its price, PoE is one of those games worth having in the collection, just for something to do when you’re scratching about. I might load it up once every 6 months myself, get a few days fun out of it, then forget about it for a while. I didnt buy into its fan-hype either.

          Theres a great game there, but it appeals to a certain audience. Just like how one core prefers D2 over D3, PoE appeals to one of those more than the other. I’ll let you figure which.

          I’m like you. I saw those things as weaknesses I didnt want to really deal with (and still dont), while others saw it as the Second Coming of Diablo 2. But I’ve gone back to it a few times, and its been worth it. Still hasnt hooked me like others, but its different enough that theres value in seeing a few chapters at least.

        • I can confirm that restricted inventory space and convoluted currency are two of PoE’s understated strengths!

          • im playing poe right now but TBH i played back at release and didnt like it either now i really enjoy it the only thing i dont like is that they dont have an AH. now hear me out

            they have trade and it works well for the most part but i dont have time nor the mentality to use the trade the way it is. i hate being interrupted when im grinding plus it can be a real pain to trade when its off peak hours. (i mean i dont mind the buying but i personally cant do the selling part.)

            that is my only criticism of peo in general i think the current league mobs are a bit overtuned

          • Yeah, trading sort of works, but it could be better, it’s a legitimate complaint and it’s been for a while. I imagine they don’t want to deal with something that may potentially be a pain in the ass, as it will become an arms race between the people finding ways to exploit an in-game market and their patching it.

          • A Trading Post (NOT Auction House!) ala GW2 would work just fine in-game. It’s pretty much what the trade web site is anyway, so why not just integrate it into the game GGG ffs?

            I too left POE in the early days & only recently came back as a D3 refugee of sorts. Honestly, you need to invest a bit of time & research into viable builds & game mechanics/itemisation to get the most out of the game. It is most definitely NOT for the lazy thinkers/players or the console-casual-cretin button-mashing crowd. Which probably means 80%+ of D3 players need not apply.

      • It probably depends on how exactly you interpret the statement. I mean technically D3 was MMO lite. You were teaming up with random players from all round the world in central hubs. It’s just the hub was a game lobby rather than a thousand people standing around in tristram making anal jokes.

        I really wish they’d remember with these games that when people say they want to play with friends they’re talking about their friends not random strangers on the internet. I’ve already done the work weeding out the assholes so I don’t have to hangout with them. My friends are already vetted, they may still be assholes, but they’re likeable assholes.

        It’s fine having an option to talk or team up with random strangers but that should be the least focus of the game. Make it fun solo first, then make it fun and easy to team up with *friends*, then worry about random strangers.

        I honestly don’t want to play a Diablo where I run around the map and find other randoms killing the demons. It shits me in WoW when I need to kill 10 mobs or a random boss only to find they’re all dead because 50 other people are doing the same thing. If they introduce that into Diablo they can take a flying fuck at a rolling donut.

        • PoE solved the complaint of your last paragraph in a clever way. Maps are generated in “instances” unique to each player unless they join in a party and parties receive an increased quantity of both monsters and loot per player in it.

          • So did Guild Wars and many other games I’m not thinking of right now. GW had the various cities as hubs when it released in 2005, with the adventuring zones instanced to the player/group. Group up in town, go out to the zones and do your stuff, then port back to town, rinse, and repeat in the next area.

            Not random maps, but thats just a relatively small step away.

          • GW1 also did a few things far better than *any* other online game since I can think of:
            1. True streaming content – download small client & stream zone content as you need it
            2. One mega-server effectively for just 2 regions PLUS an international region where NA & EU players could still get together if they wanted – all ‘districts’ were accessible by everyone in a given hub
            3. the best bit of programming of any online game I’ve ever played (& I’ve been gaming since the 70s 😉 – just one .exe & one .dat file, not a single CTD or any severe crash-style bug in the many years I played it.

            GW2 being a true mmorpg, had to compromise with some of those design idioms, especially how they handle patching & updates, more’s the pity.

          • As has been pointed out D3 also did this. I’m just expressing my concern over “mmo lite”. If they take a similar approach to D3 or POE then *shrugs* I don’t really care. I’d rather they didn’t try to cram a bunch of other people into the “hub” with me, but it won’t really affect my actual gameplay.

            I’m just concerned they take it a step too far and make a persistent world MMO like WoW where you keep bumping into players out in the world.

          • they might be trying to make it more like wow with co habitation in the outdoors then they can add events like world boss spawning or hell rift opening or something, while the events sound great the cohabitation in zones immediately brings a number of problems to mind that i can’t really think of how to solve them while still having the game feel like diablo =S

          • Games evolve & devs who listen (really LISTEN) to their player base can adapt to improve their games in ways that don’t involve greedy practices. Case in point, GW2 originally said they would never have mounts in the game. Fast forward to 2017/18 & PoF’s mounts are the best thing that has happened to the game since it was launched, hands down. Because…they…listened (after the HoT very SP unfriendly expansion proved to be a hit/miss with the players, most of who are casual, solo at least some of the time). Strangely, many people still don’t understand why most solo PvErs still want to play in a mmo & have other real ppl around them to interact with, see, trade with, chat with, etc…even if they don’t necessarily play directly with them, eh.

    • Completely agree! I love diablo as a single player or offline multiplayer experience! Just charge me more upfront for the game and skip this microtransaction/MMO bullshit.

      • I don’t have a problem with micro-transactions as long as they’re not game-breaking. If it’s cosmetic like a transmog or a banner or a pet then fine. But if they start trying to sell us gear, or spells, or extra bag slots or in game gold then they’re going too far.

        I wouldn’t even mind if they used a subscription model. But they need to make the initial game either free or super cheap. That way you can pay & play as long as you enjoy it. And as long as people are paying the company knows there is interest and can keep making more content.

        • Poe is free to play yet i have spent money on cosmetics and personal bag space and guild stash space. (me and my brother have a guild)

          is that the kind of model your ok with.

          • I have issue with both D3 and PoE on this:
            D3 doesn’t let you buy the cosmetics, even if you want to – you have to grind the living fuck out of the game to get some of them.
            PoE OTOH charges ludicrous amounts for most cosmetics ($20-$40 for wings FFS??? Do they come with a free handjob lol?).

          • no handjob i’m afraid but i did get the innocence wings from a free mystery box so i might be bias =S

    • I mean, socialising it makes sense. I’m genuinely surprised that it wasn’t like that from the start. It’s already always online.

    • i dont know about the mmo-lite shit being too much of a problem but if activision is making them shit themselves about money and monetisation is on the table it could turn into something truly horrific

  • Been waiting for this to appear on AU after it broke on IGN and I searched for the US article. Very well put together.

    Seems like a real corporate horror story.

  • I really hope they stick with the isometric view. It wouldn’t feel like Diablo without it.

    And congrats on the article guys. Seriously. This is why I read this site. F*cking stellar work again. Really well done.

    • Ha! I remember people saying that about Fallout 3. Going 3D meant it didnt feel like Fallout any more…

      Maybe a new perspective will work, maybe it wouldnt. I hope we dont find out either, I’m with you that its a defining part of what makes it Diablo. But theres part of me thats curious. It works with Borderlands, theres no reason to think it couldnt work in a Diablo world.

      • You’re totally right of course, but… even when it first came out in ’97 the isometric view was kinda weird. Now I’m just into it. I still hope they don’t change it. It’s part of what I like about it.

        I’d be more than happy to play an FPS version, just not INSTEAD of an isometric one.

      • I hope they don’t axe the isometric view because an increasing number of first person (or over the shoulder) games are giving me simulator sickness. Used to be a rarity but now almost all of them make me physically ill. So there’d be a very real chance a first person D4 would make me puke.

    • I hope they stick with the isometric view too! Because if they don’t other games will pick up the slack 😛 And I want more Diablo.

  • The fact the biggest struggle the D4 team has is how to monetise the game says all I need to know about how sh*t D4 will be.

    • Yeah but monetising things and getting a ‘long tail’ is actually something present in all artistic forms now. All the creators, or at least the producers think about it. And a game that makes more money is more likely to have more stuff released for it. It’s just monetising it in a way that draws players in, that’s the hard part.

      • I wish they’d add custom content. A level editor and shop would be cool. Let players create content and sell them through an official store and take a cut. Players get new content, creators make a bit of money (and fame) and the company makes a profit with minimal ongoing labour.

        • warframe does something similar with cosmetic designs i think, but yeh that is a great idea maybe they can get us to sign a contract this time so the next DOTA doesn’t get pinched by riot =P

  • nice story, unfortunately Blizzard just seem to be failing over and over again. All they appear to want to do now is charge people to have access to anything (original D3 was a good indication of what they are trying to get away with). And of course they are just ‘remaking’ older games, which may be a little better then the original game, but so far they just look the same to me.

    At the moment I think Blizzard is in trouble, and certainly unreliable.

  • I feel bad for the D3 team. Yeah they fucked it up initially, but they DID fix most of the stuff people were unhappy with and looked like they were really picking up steam, charging ahead, making some good stuff.

    At least the stuff about Diablo 4 – if true anyway – sounds awesome. I’ll still probably play some path of exile to try it out but… this news for me was very important to not just skip Diablo entirely but maybe Blizzard itself.

    I’d heard horror stories about class balance changes in WoW from a WoW friend and I stopped playing Overwatch (a game I used super love) due to the horrific treatment the devs gave the Mercy (a character in the game) community as well as the terrible new ult she got. And Mercy was just one of a number of characters to have that happen.

    I’d also heard terrible things about destiny 2 which stopped me from getting into it – terrible money cash grabs at the expense of fun.

    So Blizzard as a whole is looking pretty awful right now – the only shining light being the Warcraft 3 Reforged announcement. They could work on the facial animations a bit but hey, it’s more Warcraft RTS stuff which I and so many have been desperate for for ages!

    If the D4 Stuff is true, that will be reason to hope for blizzard again and maybe it was just leaks, but those were leaks that Bliz really needed at this time to happen. I hope they are true.

  • Great article!
    I am personally sad to see Diablo go down this road and was expecting more of D3 at Blizzcon this year (which was exceptionally average). I remember being pumped for the D3 release and having collector’s editions preorded for my brother, 2 friends and myself only to be met with the infamous Error 37 on launch day. Despite this, we persisted and found our next hurdle being the auction house and gold/real money exchange. My friend spent close to $400 on dexterity gear for his monk only for Blizzard to change the dex stat the following week, effectively making the gear useless. He quit after that. Shortly after, my other friend’s account was hacked while we were playing together. My brother and myself remember being powerless as we watched another person take over my friend’s witch doctor and take everything from the stash and the inventory including multiple legendaries that was worth quite a bit at the time. My friend also quit after that.
    I was glad to see the auction house go and the criminal element it encouraged but the damage was done. My interest waned after this. I did get into the expansion and loved the crusader and was encouraged that the game had essentially been ‘fixed’. I didn’t know they were planning another expansion, and aside from the necromancer, there seems to be no drive to add more content to this game apart from seasonal rewards. And now its going to mobile….dark days indeed….
    At least Titan Quest released a new expansion last year, for a game over 10 years old mind you. There is hope!

    • I have to ask how your friend got hacked? Did he not have an authenticator? Doesn’t everyone use one now (heck even five years ago)?

      I think the AH could have remained as a gold only AH allowed players to trade with each other and been ok. And even the real money AH could have been ok if they’d just been a bit more restrictive on it. The auctions should never have been allowed to go as high as they did.

      • From memory, no. I just remember us playing and he just logged out of his D3 only to have it taken over by someone else. This person entered our game and just looted everything they could before logging out of the account. We never found out what happened to the loot and my friend was never reimbursed. He still has the same battlenet account, but new password etc…
        The prices were insane on AH and drove people who didn’t want to spend money to exploiting the game. we would farm this treasure golem who would spawn at the end of the oasis in Act 2 for hours for loot. Definitely not how the game should be played, but for the sake of progression, we felt it was a ‘necessity’.

      • Yeah, tell me about it. Mrs & I absolutely loved a little mmoarpg called Marvel Heroes & sunk close to $1500 & 5K hours each into it over the almost 5 years, mainly to support the devs. And look how that ended….? :-/

  • What they describe for Fenris sounds like what arc are doing with Torchlight frontiers and will be out next year if I m not mistaken.

  • It’s interesting that they consider the cancellation of Titan to be such a black eye and point of shame where from my point of view (someone who admittedly didn’t spend 10’s of millions of dollars on an ultimately failed project) it should be considered a point of pride for a development house that they would cancel a project if it wasn’t going to meet their standards.

    I’m still of the opinion that the whole Diablo Immortal fracas was primarily a (very stupid, very avoidable) PR disaster rather than an indication that Blizzard has “lost its way”. but in a way the fact that they shy away from Titan so violently gives me more concern than anything concerning Diablo Immortal.

    • > I’m still of the opinion that the whole Diablo Immortal fracas was primarily a (very stupid, very avoidable) PR disaster rather than an indication that Blizzard has “lost its way”.

      Have you checked Activision/Blizzard stock prices since November…? >8^D

  • Wait a second!

    Replace Bobby kotik with Diablo…
    Now replace blizzard with tristram..!

    It all makes sense.

    But seriously the changes in blizzard have been quite obvious since the merger. Will they make another Overwatch success… Doubtful.
    Will Diablo 4 have horribly implemented microtransactions… Most likely.
    They probably aren’t putting much effort into it because they haven’t worked out how to ‘games as service’ monetise it yet.

  • im surprised the ceo didn’t make the “we cancelled the second d3 expansion and that led to diablo immortal” argument when he was listing all the cancellations led to triumphs.

    even if it hasn’t happened yet it does sound like the Activisions finance department will soon be wearing blizzard like a puppet i just hope they have the decency to use some lube.

  • I don’t mind reposting stories, but this was posted now in December, only a month after the original article ran… What was the point of that?

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