Destiny 2 Has Players Grinding For Guns They Already Have, And It Sucks

Destiny 2 Has Players Grinding For Guns They Already Have, And It Sucks
Screenshot: Bungie, Kotaku

I’ve been having a surprisingly good time a week into playing Destiny 2’s latest season. But for all it does well, it’s also exposed some very annoying flaws in the new gear sunsetting system. While intended to help streamline and focus the loot grind, sunsetting’s also added a whole new level of mind-numbing complexity.

In addition to bringing in detail back in May. Regardless of whether the philosophy behind it is good or bad, the way it’s currently implemented is full of frustrating wrinkles.

Screenshot: Bungie, Kotaku Screenshot: Bungie, Kotaku

Season of Arrivals gear has a power cap of 1360, 300 above the current achievable power level of 1060, meaning it will be relevant through next summer. But not all gear that drops in Season of Arrivals is at that power cap, and herein lies part of the problem. I’ve already gotten an Optative hand cannon from Forsaken and Righteous Boots from Season of Dawn. Instead of having a max power cap of 1360 like this season’s other loot they have caps of 1260 and 1060 respectively, pegged to the seasons in which they were originally introduced. That means they won’t be useful for much longer, so why bother wasting materials to upgrade them?

While older gear at the older power caps is still dropping anew, new versions of old guns are also dropping at the new power cap. I mentioned one of these, a handgun called The Lonesome, in my initial impressions of this season. Another is Gnawing Hunger, an excellent auto rifle with a satisfying kickback. Both are from Destiny 2’s Season of the Drifter back in early 2019. The older versions of those weapons, which many players spent a lot of time grinding for until they finally found one with a good set of randomised perks, have their power capped at 1060 while this season’s “re-issues” are at the new 1360 max. Instead of just including those guns in a pool of weapons that are automatically grandfathered into the new cap, players have to hunt for them all over again. “Got 30k kills on my Gnawing Hunger just to masterwork another one and start again,” wrote one player in a recent thread on the game’s subreddit. “Not a great feeling of accomplishment.”

Screenshot: Bungie, Kotaku Screenshot: Bungie, Kotaku

I’ve encountered some other weird annoyances as well. I’ve had Prime Engrams I earned with my Warlock decrypt into armour for a Hunter. I’ve seen new versions of guns like the Main Ingredient fusion rifle drop with a 1360 cap but at 750 power, the minimum from the Forsaken expansion nearly two years ago. And I’ve had powerful drops from weekly activities turn out to be older armour with power caps below 1360. It also now looks like drops from the Last Wish and Garden of Salvation raids won’t be exempted from the new sunsetting requirement until new versions of them are reintroduced this fall in Season 12. The fact that there don’t seem to be many hard-and-fast rules across the board means there are even more numbers to sort through and compare between the same guns and armour than ever before.

Screenshot: Bungie , Kotaku Screenshot: Bungie , Kotaku

Screenshot: Bungie, Kotaku Screenshot: Bungie, Kotaku

Destiny 2 director Luke Smith first hinted at the new gear sunsetting system back in February when he likened the game’s ever-growing arsenal of guns to cards from Magic: The Gathering. “We’ve made a lot of Magic cards, and we want you to keep the ones you love in your collection (as opposed to taking them and throwing them all away and having the Tower get destroyed again),” Smith wrote in a blog post at the time. “And a bunch of those Magic cards could be playable around the world while free-roaming or in PVP formats. But where Power matters or aspirational activities are involved, we’re going to make some changes to Legendary weapons.”

There are a lot of problems with using Magic: The Gathering as a model for Destiny 2, including that Magic cards are expensive and the forced obsolescence around that economy sucks. But following the Magic model would also mean remaining consistent. I don’t have to worry about getting War of the Spark cards when I open a pack from the new Ikoria: Lair of Behemoths set. And if an old card does get re-circulated, Magic doesn’t make any distinctions between the two copies. The Champions of Kamigawa version of Azusa, Lost but Seeking is as good as the Core 2021 set reprint.

Hopefully Bungie will iron out these issues with sunsetting in the months ahead. Cycling old gear out of the game should be about trying to keep the core Destiny 2 experience feeling fresh and rewarding. Right now it feels like just another way of keeping players occupied by making them grind even more.


  • I personally dont see the point of sunsetting at all. Yes I have my favourites, that doesnt stop me grinding for new and different stuff every release. Eventually the old is replaced by the new. But sure its great to return to my favourites when I want.

    Player choice is always good.

    What doesnt feel good is that potentially all those pinnacle weapons we all worked hard for will become worthless. Sure for some that will mean Recluse but for me its Loaded Question and Wendigo and the like.

    If sunsetting has to be a thing why include those unique weapons in the mix?!

    • Feels to me like half desperately trying to force control over the meta, half trying to account for/work around a hard limit somewhere in dodgy code/design that won’t let them put too much ‘stuff’ in one box.

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