What’s Your Preference: Japanese-Style RPGs Or Western-Style RPGs?

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What’s Your Preference: Japanese-Style RPGs Or Western-Style RPGs?
Just a very stylish picnic. (Image: Nintendo)

It’s time for Ask Kotaku, the weekly feature in which Kotaku-ites deliberate on a single burning question. Then, we ask your take.

This week we Ask Kotaku: What’s your preference: Japanese-style RPGs or Western-style RPGs? (Note that “JRPGs” are not necessarily RPGs made in Japan but RPGs in the Japanese console-game style. And Western-style RPGs, too, can and do come from non-Western countries.)

Fahey

Since my Super Nintendo days I have craved anime-looking characters taking turns hitting each other. Final Fantasy II (FF4 JP) was my first “epic” game experience, and that format remains my favourite way to spend 40-60 hours in front of a game console to this day.

When I think of Japanese role-playing games, I think bright colours, over-the-top villains, cute characters, and other happy things. When I think Western role-playing games, I think of — and this might come off weird — medieval Poland. Dark and brown and muddy, people in drab outfits doing drab things to drab creatures. I blame The Witcher, a series I love, but a series that really drives home the drabness. Or any RPG from Deep Silver. Dark, brooding fantasy, the way Europe likes it. Have you ever been to a Gamescom in Germany? It’s downright depressing.

Give me a Japanese RPG filled with bubblegum idols fighting demons in the fashion district any day.

Halt! Halt! Halt! (Screenshot: Bethesda) Halt! Halt! Halt! (Screenshot: Bethesda)

Zack

I’ve tried numerous times to play JRPGS, but can rarely get into them. The reasons can vary, but often it comes down to my lack of interest in anime and turn-based combat. On the other hand, I tend to enjoy Western RPGs, like Fallout, a lot more because of how open they often feel.

Part of this preference for Western RPGs is that I didn’t grow up playing all the classic JRPGs people talk about these days. In fact, I didn’t play many RPGs at all when I was younger. But eventually I started playing the Elder Scrolls and other Western RPGs and ended up falling in love with them. And now I don’t see myself going back to play all those classic JRPGs I passed over, because my brain just ain’t wired to enjoy them.

Alexandra

It’s tough, and of course you don’t normally have to choose. But this is Ask Kotaku, so we are! While aesthetically I prefer a tasteful, serious JRPG, when it comes to my bottom line, gameplay, I’m going to go with Western-style “CRPGs.”

My earliest encounters with JRPGs (Final Fantasy! Phantasy Star II! Final Fantasy IV! Suikoden! Skies of Arcadia!) were by far the most enjoyable, and as I try to find a JRPG that can make me feel that way again I find myself chasing diminishing returns. Having a malleable, naive kid-brain is very handy sometimes!

Further, I’ve always been a gameplay-over-presentation person. Ideally you have both — who prefers an ugly game, besides Amiga platformer fans? — but it’s gameplay I’m always thinking about between sessions. Plotting, strategising, seeking tactics and builds. What steers me toward CRPGs these days is my long-standing feeling that CRPGs, on average, give me more to chew on there, and are more interesting to replay. Exceptions abound — many Japanese-style RPGs have quite substantial gameplay chops, and I love when they do — but if forced to choose I feel like CRPGs cover those bases more capably, more often.

My all-time favourite CRPG is 2001’s Wizardry 8, a game I’m still thinking and learning about 20 years later. I love Suikoden, but that’s more a love for its world, story, and aesthetic than its fairly straightforward gameplay. While both give me great memories, I’m more likely to want to revisit a wide-open Western-style game like Wizardry than a more linear Japanese-style game like Suiko.

JRPGs tend to give better lightshows. (Screenshot: Atlus / Nintendo) JRPGs tend to give better lightshows. (Screenshot: Atlus / Nintendo)

Ian

The easy answer to this question is “both,” but I guess that would be a little boring.

Growing up, I was obsessed with Western RPGs like The Elder Scrolls and Fallout. The freedom they offered was a huge part of that, and I loved playing through them over and over again with new ideas for character builds.

As I’ve gotten older, however, I’ve learned to respect the rhythm of old-school JRPGs as well. There’s something really nice about sitting down with a game and knowing immediately how battle will ebb and flow. I also like having time to really figure out a fight and come up with an optimal strategy in games like Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest, plotting out a cascading series of choices and consequences.

And honestly, I never finish the stories in Western RPGs anyway.

Two blessed relics. (Photo: Ethan Gach) Two blessed relics. (Photo: Ethan Gach)

Ethan

This is like choosing between Chicago- or New York-style pizza, or saying I prefer yeast doughnuts to cake doughnuts, even though I’d always happily eat either one. I grew up playing JRPGs, almost exclusively. One or two would come my way each year, either through gifts or borrowing, and I’d play those couple games for months. A few years later I’d replay them. It was sort of a never-ending cycle. By the PS2 era I’d barely touched anything that didn’t star someone with spiky hair or a sword. I never had a PC, and so barely messed around with Diablo, Fallout, or Baldur’s Gate. A friend in school asked me to draw him some elf from Icewind Dale II and it was like staring at some alien artefact he’d pulled off the moon.

Then around the late 2000s things flipped. I finally got around to playing Knights of the Old Republic, and it blew my mind. You could have an RPG with minimal random encounters, hardly any grinding, and a choice as to how the hero went about their story? A few years later I started playing Dota 2, which engineers the same satisfying level progression as a classic JRPG inside of an hour, and I’ve struggled to ever go back. Final Fantasy XV, Dragon Quest XI, Xenoblade Chronicles 2 — they’re all just filled with so much tedious bullshit. I love the worlds, the characters, and the familiar patterns, but the light in my eyes extinguishes the second I’m subjected to more than 10 seconds of stilted dialogue or more than three battles of inputting the same basic commands over and over again while checking my phone.

Part of me thinks modern JRPGs just aren’t as good as they used to be. But part of me also thinks I’ve just gotten old and boring and hate having fun anymore. After all I’ve played a thousand hours of Destiny. How can I complain about fighting slimes for an hour? I haven’t given an answer yet because I no longer know which genre I prefer, and that kills me. Maybe one day they’ll make a Fallout game in a world that’s not soul crushing, or a Dragon Quest that has branching dialogue trees and loyalty missions. Until then I refuse to choose.

Ash

Sixteen-year-old me would have said Japanese RPGs without blinking. I was a hardcore Final Fantasy nerd. I grew up on those games after being first exposed to Final Fantasy VIII via a Pizza Hut demo disk (remember those?) They were all I played, them and Kingdom Hearts. But then I ran into a little game called Dragon Age: Origins, a Western-style RPG that altered the course of my life the same way meeting FF8 had. From there I met Mass Effect, then I went back to Final Fantasy (XII at this point) and back to the Dragon Age and Mass Effect sequels. Then there was a long period when I just didn’t want to invest the time into any kind of RPG at all, choosing instead to play games like Overwatch and Hearthstone before The Witcher 3 came along and dragged me back into RPG-land.

So, both. There’s no way to choose and no region’s better than the other.

Past-Stephen's happy place. (Screenshot: Sony Interactive Entertainment) Past-Stephen's happy place. (Screenshot: Sony Interactive Entertainment)

Stephen

Tricky question. I’ve been repelled by too many Final Fantasy plots and drawn to the political intrigue of Mass Effects, so I’ve long thought I preferred Western RPGs. From what I’ve played, Western RPGs tend to involve more meaningful player choices and seem to be written for an older audience. They don’t seem to traffic in the tropes common in Japanese role-playing games, which seem inordinately preoccupied with the stories of teenage boys, their dad issues, their secret truth that they’re the one destined to save the world, and the awkwardness of young people’s romantic relationships. 

But, even as I write this, I realise that I’ve probably tried more Japanese RPGs and have wound up enjoying a wide range, including the sweeping Suikoden V, the intricate Fire Emblem Awakening, the delightful Dark Cloud 2, and, if you count them as RPGs, the ever-excellent Zeldas. I’ve enjoyed them more than any Fallouts or Dragon Ages.

I also am very aware that I’ve not yet played the best of Western RPGs, not having grown up a PC gamer and not yet having made the time to play Divinity Original Sin 2 and other apparent modern classics. To be fair, I haven’t dipped into the Persona saga either. Hmmm. Maybe this genre of super-long games doesn’t really fit into my life!

How About You?

Kotaku’s weighed in, but what’s your take? Are you more partial to a Final Fantasy or Suikoden, or would you rather lose countless hours in Planescape and Fallout? We’ll be back next week to deliberate and debate on another nerdy issue. See you in the comments!

Comments

  • I go back and forth, enjoying one kind, getting burned out and flitting over to the other. I grew up on the classic CRPGs, such as Ultima, Might & Magic, Bard’s Tale and Wizardry, and Japan really has made the best of those in recent times.

    While I loved the original Mass Effect trilogy, and KotOR1, I discovered when I was playing Vampyre that I was over the whole interminable dialog trees experience. Flip side, I found Persona 5 an incredibly tedious experience after loving the first, enjoying the remake of the second (didn’t enjoy vanilla) and switched off at the pyramid.

    I do still have to play Bard’s Tale 4 and D:OS2 (despite being a backer!) so I might find one of those fun again.

    • On re-reading this, I noticed that I called P3 ‘first’ and P4 ‘second’… I guess if you’re talking about the ‘Social Links Trilogy’ that applies 😛

  • I love the setting and the personal stories of JRPGs, but I feel, particularly as I get older and most JRPGs involve the world saved by a teenager, that Western RPGs generally have a more grounded gameplay narrative.

  • No game on this page I don’t recognise, prety much because I’ve bought them since I turned 18. (99) Before that didn’t really have access to any form of interent (intel), or were too young (childlike). Since then worked and collected (resold consoles prior to PS3/Wii), and mostly been a PC person since able to build first PC. But gaming in general seems to be taking a backwards leap in enjoyability. For example Bards Tale 4 is a bad game, especially when you consider the refresh that has been done to the original games. It will be interesting if in the future games actually become enjoyable again, without the money grabbing that seems to be a standard at the moment.

  • I guess I lean very slightly towards JRPGs given their significance to me growing up, but the truth is that I play very few JRPGs these days, so the answer is probably: it depends.

    Western RPG’s can be brilliant – the Witcher, Mass Effect and Baldur’s Gate series. But also boring garbage that I can’t play more than a few hours of – Elder Scrolls IV and V.

    More recent JRPGs however are largely mediocre (e.g. FFXIII or XV) with the odd gem (e.g. Xenoblade Chronicles, Persona).

  • Western rpgs ez.

    I grew u on Final Fantasy and Baldurs Gate, but Japanese writing is always trashy melodrama and hasn’t evolved.

    There are huge leaps between BG 1 and BG 2.

    Western rpgs have their nonsense but they focus less on half an hour chosen one cutscenes and more on exploration as a form of story telling.

    Also the variation in gameplay between Western are so much bigger. You just get a better variety.

    • 100% this.

      While there are a few exception to JRPGs, the bulk of them do traffic in melodrama and overt character tropes when compared to Western RPGs. I do like JRPG art style for flair, but it (almost) always feels like an light anime. Add in that voice acting dubbed into English is terrible, and sometimes translations are not always top notch, and it just drags down the story, which is one of the key pillars of an RPG.

      Even though BioWare has largely been creatively murdered by EA’s corporate influence, there’s still CDPR, Obsidian are putting out decent titles, and Larian are putting in a good showing now as well.

      Give me a good RPG and it doesn’t matter, but on the balance of probabilities, a Western RPG I find is more likely to deliver an engaging experience.

  • It would be silly of me not to say JRPGs after having spent decades playing a huge number of them from the more popular series to a lot of niche and probably not so well known or liked games/series. In general they satisfy my preference for more fantastical settings and world building, turned to 11 story plots, and distinct character personalities. They also tend to have a lot more systems, statistics and mini-games to offer in addition to the main gameplay. Just like Asian cinema, they also have a tendency to discuss themes of love, life and death in a manner that I can identify with and find romantic.

    WRPGs on the other hand I find to be a lot drier and straightfoward, trying to inject realism, Shakespearian drama and politics into the story while putting them in standard Tolkien-esque fantasy or Star-Trek style sci-fi settings. The gameplay also tends to be less about complexity and more about immediate action. That’s not to say I don’t like them, there are many WRPGs that I like just as there are many JRPGs I don’t like, I just have my preferences and games that satisfy them in the same way this discussion could be about whether I prefer shoestring or steak fries.

  • Background Games I played: Secret of Mana, Zelda (not really a RPG), FF7,FF8, fallout (1,2 + bethesda ones), Baldur’s gate, IWD etc. Dragon Age 1 + 2 (2 was terrible so never bothered with 3). basically any game on PC from 1986+.

    While I loved FFVIII I find waaay too many JRPGs do wwaaaaay too much fan service, and attempted cutesy rubbish in adult/YA storylines, even in FFVIII. Western wins here for better plotting.

    Also in JRPGS there is no actual roleplaying, no (or extremely limited) conversational choices or decisions that can affect the story of the game, so as far as roleplaying games – western wins this hands down.

    general atmosphere – even on this one, some western ones are excellent, some are rubbish, some eastern ones are great (FF for example), some are rubbish.

    Gameplay – urgh eastern RPGs suck at this, particularly with PC ports. Often esoteric controls that cannot be remapped (why on earth would the attack with spell key be a + on the numkeys, but all other attacks are in the wasd range?), limited methods of play (no conversational choices, pre-set responses etc.) western ones are typically logical in their key maps, mouse usage, inventory display, as well as allowing a lot more flexibility of approach etc. Western wins hands down with the occasional exception.

    Graphics – Some more modern eastern JRPGs look very good, but by and large the western ones are typically better. Western wins, but only just in modern times.

  • I dont favor one or the other myself, having grown up with both. Both genres have absolute bangers, and absolute stinkers, and always have. It was Final Fantasy versus Bards Tale, Wizardry, and Ultima games back in the day, depending on the platform. More recently I think Western RPG’s have had a better run though, but that doesnt mean next year wont be JRPG’s turn to shine.

    And even saying that, I look back at the past couple of years and see BotW, Persona 5, Nier,Nioh, Ni No Kuna, and the FF remakes staring out of the JRPG side of things, reminding me that the balance is also in the eye of the beholder. Great classic western RPG btw… Needs a modern take.

    In the end though, it depends on how good the game is for me. Get something like Witcher 3 or BotW, and it doesnt matter which genre it is, you’re probably putting hundreds or thousands of hours into it.

  • Western rpg’s, hands down. Growing up, I loved FF7, 8 and 9, but that was always concurrent to games like ultima, fallout, TES, etc. These days, I just find most jrpg’s to be tedious and/or over the top in a lot of ways. Western RPG’s on the other hand draw me in and I spend literally weeks playing them during my downtime from work.

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