Frank Miller Makes Odd Gaming Reference In Anti-Occupy Rant

Famed artist, filmmaker and comic book writer Frank Miller is just saying when he believes everyone is thinking when he tells the Occupy movement to "go back to your mommas' basements and play with your Lords Of Warcraft".

In a strange rant last week, that I some how missed until just now, Miller calls the folks of the Occupy movement a pack of "louts, thieves and rapists", an unruly mob, he goes on. The movement itself, he says, can do nothing but harm America.

"Wake up, pond scum," Miller writes, "America is at war against a ruthless enemy."

Who's the ruthless enemy that has Miller railing against the Occupy movement and its rampant narcissism, self-righteousness, and spoiled brats who need to go back to their basements to play video games? Why al_Qaeda of course. Now shut up and take it America, because there's terrorism afoot and Miller needs you to just suck it up and take it.

Anarchy


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    Not sure if this is a Chrome issue, but the scaling width of the nested comments as the arguments go on is just hilarious.

    http://frankmillerink.com/2011/11/anarchy

    Wow! Suddenly I just lost multitudes of respect for that man. I'm not a huge fan of the occupy protests myself but I totally understand why they are doing it and I respect their right to do it. This just makes me sad.

      Really? That's what causd it? Not the fact he can't write a story without making women whores in it, not the fact that he believes that Islam is inherrently inferior and should be destroyed, not any of his bigotted discussions, it's that he disagrees with the occupy movement?

        he made Robin a woman (girl?) in the dark knight returns.

        I swear to god that everytime I express my opinion on this site it's met with unescesarily aggressive replies, so I didn't know about his racist rant's and junk, I still like his work and I always will. I don't see why you had to be a patronising twat about it.

      You would have all ready lost all respect for him if you'd read his latest comic Holy Terror, about a Batman and Catwoman like pair of hero's who go to Afghanistan and beat Muslims to death. The comic largely makes no distinction between muslims and terrorists and completely fails to point out that organisations like Al Queda are just as hated by muslims as the IRA and UVF are hated by most Irish people.

    I suddenly gained more respect for him, even though I play Lords of warcraft sometimes.

    I'm happy that someone like Frank Miller exists.

    Hah, what a tit. Saw this quote applied to a page from the (utterly awful) Batman: Year one comic, made me laugh as it fit far too well with Batman, him being the 1% and all.

    Meanwhile who is Frank "Funny book writer and sometimes drawer" Miller to be lobbing comments at nerdy folk in basements? Dude, comic books are even more core-nerdy than gaming! I should know, I still visit my comic book shop monthly.

    Also, while I'm not leaping behind the "Occupy" movement, it has more to do with my opinion of it not being nearly volatile enough to get any changes made, otherwise I agree with their sentiment. Bankers can still bank with a bunch of inconsequential hipsters/hippies sitting outside. Change needs more oomph, that requires lots of money or LOTS of people or lots of violence. The occupiers have none of these things.

    Frank Miller, stick to writing them funny books buddy!

    So according to Frank "WHORES WHORES WHORES" Miller just because the good ol's US of A is bombing the shit out of the middle east and getting their soldiers killed, everyone else should shut the hell up and start waving their tiny plastic 'MURRICAN flags?

    I knew he was a hack of a writer (who got lucky with one batman one-shot), but I didn't realise he was this much of a moron.

    Come on now, Frank. The only experience Occupy protesters have with a computer is facebook, they wouldn't know how to play a MMORPG, hell they clearly struggle with the simple task of writing a job application.

      So true. It's not gamers, otaku, hackers, or any sort of on the fringe type person doing this. It's mostly mentally illiterate college kids with the most generic leftist viewpoints, and their supporters are among the most vapid of twitter users and homeless people

      I saw a jobless black guy once so I assume all black guys are jobless.

      Hell Chazz, get your head out of your ass. I'm a technical support specialist for an ISP and have attended the OccupyMelbourne movement when I can.

      Do yourself a favor and research things like fractional reserve banking and I'd be incredibly surprised if this is the way you think our financial systems should operate, not to mention the reserve bank of Australia is a private owned company.

      Ask yourself, why is the hands to print our nations currency not in the hands of our nation?

        Here's an idea for you. Perhaps I just don't care. Things are just fine for me. Things are just fine for my friends and my family and my co-workers. We're not wealthy, I rent, my friends rent, my parents rent, a lot of the people I work with rent (so by no means are any of us rich or the "1%"). We all work, we pay our taxes and we get along just fine so what exactly is the issue?

        So doing some research into "fractional reserve banking" is not going to do me any favours because I still be living the exact same life I am now. A happy one, with friends and family and just have a grand ol' time. I have no interest in the economics jargon or how it works behind the scenes and sure things probably could/should be run better. They can always be run better but the simple fact remains that most people are getting along just fine.

          "Here’s an idea for you. Perhaps I just don’t care."

          What a fantastic argument, I wonder why our political members don't use it.

          On the note of Frank Miller... You'd think a guy like him would know a thing or too about society's destroyed by corruption and uneven power distribution huh?

          Hey Matt, I'm pretty familiar with the concept of fractional reserve banking as I dabbled economics a bit in Uni (it's always been an interest of mine).

          Fractional reserve banking does "print money"; but when you think about it that's what we are all doing at work: each productive work day is "creating value" through our labour. Credit and debt transform this value into a liquid asset that companies can use to build capital and goods, and families can use to build houses. It's not a perfect system, but its the best we have. We have hiccoughs every now and then, but we also have public health, education, supermarkets and manufactured goods.

          I don't have a problem with it, or with the RBA being a private company. The thing about democracy is that it's slooooooow... which is what you want when you're creating and administrating legislation. But when you're dealing with fiscal responses to global stimuli, you need to be FAST, and that's what being private allows.

          I'm very open to other viewpoints, and that's what spurned me to comment, I'm genuinely interested in what opinions and alternatives you as a protester have (and not in a "YOU DO IT BETTER, THEN!" way, but in a "What am I missing?" way).

            My problem with fraction reserve banking which is a standard banking practice is the fact that it essentially runs on debt - it's a system that survives on the debt of others. No debt, No money supply.

            It's a system that doesn't seem to have been thought through, as it is literally impossible full all debt to be payed off - there is simply not enough money in circulation. No one has cared to think of the long term implication of charging interest which simply doesn't exist in the money supply, or taking into account second hand lenders - all this is simply adding up day by day until one day (I believe) it will simply collapse.

            As to other suggestions? Why, I'm not too sure - I for one believe the Government should be in charge of printing of our money as then it has the ability to use it's own money without getting charged interest which is essentially our taxes.

            Usury should be an illegal practice.

              We agree that FRB is a system that runs on debt, I disagree that it is creating debt that can never be repaid. I could be misunderstanding, but I think you're taking a static and limited view of an economy.

              At any one time, there is more debt than assets in existence, so if you tell everyone "Stop, pay all your debt now" then yes, the system is unsustainable and will collapse. But this isn't how an economy works: debt is (mostly) issued to people and companies who CAN repay it through their work. They create value and things society needs out of the earth, and their labour transforming it into something society needs. A farmer borrows money to buy seeds and eventually sells his crops for profit. The bank "printed money" to reflect the value that the farmer would create through his farming.

              That debt allowed the creation of a benefit to society that exceeded the value of the "money printed". But, not all farmers are successful: some cannot pay their debts, and they go bankrupt. Lucklily though, enough farmers and businesses and mums and dads worked hard enough that they paid their debts, and the usury from their loans covers that farmer's bankruptcy and the bank still has money to lend.

              I see debt as an incentive to create value, and a necessary tool to allow people to create it. It shouldn't be given out willy-nilly (which is what happened leading up to the GFC) but nor should cars be used to run people down: the banking laws are continually updated to prevent dodgy lenders running people down with bad debt. The system of debt isn't the problem, it's ignorant people taking on too much debt, and ignorant lenders giving out too much.

              As for the government printing money, if the left want to print money for social support, and the right want to contract the money supply to lower inflation and protect local industry, how long would it take to respond to a rapidly impending social or economic crisis? Almost certainly too long, I would think. A private company can react swiftly for the best, without waiting over a year for its proposed actions to make it through the senate. Not to mention what would happen to the money supply if two competing political parties with differing economic views changed sides after an election. If you want greater economic stability, my opinion is that would not be the best way of getting it.

                You bring up some valid points.

                There is always more debt then existence yes, but the figure grows each day – due to FRB. Considering you only need a $100 deposit to lend $900 and you can charge interest on that $900, it continuously grows at an increasing pace. It’s a speeding car heading for a brick wall, instead of slowing down it is accelerating. On top of this there are second hand lenders, who lend our their own money and charge big interest on that, this is just creating more money that simply doesn’t exist.

                To say we have been better off since the introduction of this system is an absolute joke, look at how much the value of the dollar has fallen since the introduction of a central bank and fiat currency – it hasn’t stopped, it will continue.

                I strongly believe that fiat currency wont last in the long term, this is something fairly new on a global scale and it’s still simply a large experiment. To say one knows absolutely how it will turn out is simply wrong.

                What about if something detrimental happened in society and everyone was forced to withdraw their savings? How would they react if most of them were told that their money no longer exists?

                A run on the banks have been done before, they can happen again.

                  For your first point, I think you are describing the money multiplier, which is based on the minimum reserves set out by a nations law, IMF guidelines, etc. This multiplier is calculated so that cars never hit walls, as more people able to pay their debts move the wall out reach. This is like a government speed limit.

                  Also, it is not in a bank or lender's interest (geddit?) to lend out more money than can be repaid, because their collapse is synonymous with their demise; same for borrowers. It's in nobodies interest to speed into a wall, so banks only lend out so much before raising interest rates to discourage borrowers, and borrowers can choose to not take on debt. This can be equated to a manufacturer limiting the speed of its cars, and a driver choosing not to go too fast. There are lots of mechanisms in place to stop the run-away reaction and collapse I think you are suggesting, despite the money multiplier. As scary as FRB sounds, it really has been thought through, and that's why there are minimum reserves and lawful lending standards, etc.

                  Your second paragraph I don't understand: you don't specify what measure of "better off" I should look at, which dollar has dropped in value in relation to what other measure of value, and which type of fiat currency and central bank has caused issues and how. This would be a tough point to discuss for either of us anyway, due to the huge number of confounding world events that impact qualities of life and economic measures: was it fiat money in general, international politics or war that caused the 1970's collapse of Bretton Woods...etc.

                  As for Bank runs, yes they have happened, but they are an increasing rarity with the ongoing banking regulation changes, and the support offered means any banks that do have a run will be supported: just like the 2008-9 bailouts and deposit guarantees. I'm not saying that was a good thing, but what I mean is it is now less likely a bank will have a run on it (they cant lend as much, and there are safety nets) and the system lives. The system survived and prospered after the runs of 1929.

                  I agree that runs can happen, and I think they will happen again, but I believe we are getting better at stopping them, and getting better at fixing things after they occur. Compare the world in 1932 to the world in 2009, and I think the system you deplore looks OK.

                  You're definitely right though: we can't know how it will all turn out, but in my opinion we're on the right track, despite some inevitable bumps to come.

          "Perhaps you don't care"
          Exactly the problem right here. Its good to know that if millionaires and corporations are making a large amount of decisions, a large amount of them which have resulted in problems across the globe, that you don't give a rats ass.

          Then you lump them in groups of being whinging hippies, which is such a gross over-generalisation that my mind cannot even comprehend it and you have also apparently decided to ignore the massive amount of police brutality that has gone on during these protests, most of which were unprovoked.
          Read the link below of someone who has worked hard all their life talking about the issue. Might change your mind or whether you should bloody care

          http://boingboing.net/2011/10/15/your-ascent-to-the-1-doesnt-mean-the-system-is-fair.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+boingboing/iBag+(Boing+Boing)&utm_content=Google+Reader

            You bring up some valid points.

            There is always more debt then existence yes, but the figure grows each day - due to FRB. Considering you only need a $100 deposit to lend $900 and you can charge interest on that $900, it continuously grows at an increasing pace. It's a speeding car heading for a brick wall, instead of slowing down it is accelerating. On top of this there are second hand lenders, who lend our their own money and charge big interest on that, this is just creating more money that simply doesn't exist.

            To say we have been better off since the introduction of this system is an absolute joke, look at how much the value of the dollar has fallen since the introduction of a central bank and fiat currency - it hasn't stopped, it will continue.

            I strongly believe that fiat currency wont last in the long term, this is something fairly new on a global scale and it's still simply a large experiment. To say one knows absolutely how it will turn out is simply wrong.

            What about if something detrimental happened in society and everyone was forced to withdraw their savings? How would they react if most of them were told that their money no longer exists?

            A run on the banks have been done before, they can happen again.

          You're my main problem with the people who ignore these protests, instead of having a valid opinion you choose to not care simply because it's not affecting you RIGHT NOW, but goes knows when it starts affecting you, you'll be shouting and screaming "why did no one warn us!?".

          Continue the life of action once it's too late, instead of learning from history and taking preventative action.

          And by the way, I live a pretty damn comfortable life right now, I consider my self extremely lucky - no debt, full time job, car, place to live, t.v, computer.

          But use your brain, does that mean we are not continuing down a path that is going to get worse? Should we not start taking action before it does get worse? Each day we are slowly loosing our freedoms, victimless and harmless 'crimes' are getting outlawed each year, things have been progressively getting worse overall in the last 30 years, we still have war everyday overseas.

          Take a look around instead of being so self-indulgent.

          "Perhaps I just don’t care. Things are just fine for me. "

          I've never seen a more transparent "FUCK YOU GOT MINE" mentality. These people are protesting the fact that the investment banks that completely fucked America got away scott free and now they want accountability, or at the very least, transparency.

          Who are you to judge them? You might personally have been minimally affected by the 2008 GFC, but there are MILLIONS of people who were affected by it and had literally no control over it whatsoever. People who never defaulted their homes, who never made risky investments and still got screwed because some execs wanted to line their pockets that little bit more.So what? You weren't affected? Good for you.

          Feel happy for yourself, I can even understand someone maybe not caring about another's plight, selfish as it is already. But for you to have the gall to start a topic about how all occupy wall-street protesters:

          "they clearly struggle with the simple task of writing a job application"

          Fuck you dude. Seriously. And this tangent of wilful ignorance, whereby you just throw back any attempt at even the most basic information on something YOU think you have any write to speak on? And dismissing it as economics jargon? You're insufferable.

    Frank Miller looks like a Finger Puppet with an old wig on.

    I've lost all respect for Frank Miller. I'm going to have to go home and burn my copy of Dark Knight Returns.

    Occupy ... The only good thing about occupy, is that it gives me an opportunity to watch filthy hippies being beaten horribly and tear gassed.

      I wonder if people like you actually realise there are no more hippies. They're geriatrics now. Most of the people who are protesting are younger, college-aged kids who came out with a degree, staggering student loans and can't find any jobs because of the economic climate that Wall Street investment banks helped create.

      How about you get a clue before you feel you have any right to judge people.

    I used to sympathize with the Occupy movement, until it turned out that their original anti-Corporatist message (with which I agreed) was just a ruse to launch an anti-All-Corporations-That-Don't-Donate-To-Obama message.... there are still some sane people at the Occupy protests, but they're getting fewer every day.

    That said, even if I don't have much remaining affection for OWS, I think Miller's statements are (to be blunt) idiotic, offensive and demented.

    The fact is that there are FAR better ways to critique the message being promoted by the "official" voices of OWS. But no, Miller had to just say "I think you guys aren't cool enough" and say "but we have terrorists to worry about."

    Miller unfortunately has rejected the libertarianism he once believed in, and has swallowed the Neocon kool-aid.

    Suprising how many people can not see the wood for the trees, the ocupy movement are pointing a finger at the problems such as fractional reserve banking and Corporations that avoid their share of tax, and how failing banks will take more and more with government assistance from the very taxpayers who provided the backing for securities and bonds for the banks to have deposits for backing the scam of unpayable debts from thin air.
    As the problems spread more even the ignorant like Mr Miller will want to know why he has hunger pains and holes in his shoes.

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