No Decapitations, Dismemberment In Censored Aussie Left 4 Dead 2

No Decapitations, Dismemberment In Censored Aussie Left 4 Dead 2

Gamespot has uncovered what’s been edited out of Left 4 Dead 2 for Australia to earn it an MA15+ classification.

Valve told us yesterday that they had submitted an edited version of Left 4 Dead 2 after the game was previously refused classification due to its high impact violence. Gabe Newell declined to say what had been edited out.

That edited version was awarded an MA15+ rating late yesterday. This morning the Classification Board told Gamespot what had been cut:

The report states that the Australian-specific version of Left 4 Dead 2 “no longer contains depictions of decapitations, dismemberment, wound detail, or piles of bodies lying about the environment”.

Valve are also appealing the original classification decision and still hope to release Left 4 Dead 2 in Australia in its original, unedited state. “Our goal is not to ship this second [edited]version,” he said.

Newell told us yesterday that the appeal ruling is expected to be made on October 22.

Left 4 Dead 2 classified down under [Gamespot]

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      • And you’ve testet this? or are you just talking out your ass?

        A simple google search shows that you can use a proxy to browse the US steam store but not purchase..

        Attempting to import a copy and using the licence key will give you a reigon locked error and suggest you get a refund..

        I think you’ll find your Steam location is based on your IP address.. so its unlikely that gifting will work either..

        If you really like to jackoff to gore then just import the 360 version.. if not then this will have to do on the PC..

        Theres still a pretty solid chance the appeal will be succcessfull and all of this will be irevellant..

      • You can create a US steam account and buy/play games on it from Australia, it’s not particularly difficult.

        All you need is a VPN and a virtual credit card account.

        Be prepared to lose the account (games and all) if they bust you though.

      • You cannot import Steam games. So enjoy a very, very short train ride.

        On a different note: I’m very, very disturbed at how the OFLC is able to operate under the weight of such inconsistency and hypocrisy. How can L4D2 only be approved for sale by cutting the very same content that is already present in L4D?

      • Gifting does appear to work for L4D2. I know of a few friends who have a gifted prepurchase copy of L4D2. L4D2 is not banned in Australia, thats media hype. It failed classification and therefore cannot be sold in Australia, so as the media say “effectively banning”. There is nothing illegal about owning a copy, its illegal to purchase a copy within Australia. If the purchase is made outside OZ, and the copy is gifted, no transacation within Australia has been made.

    • I suggested here :

      http://www.australiangamer.com/forum/index.php?/topic/6691-boycotting-left-4-dead-2/

      that in order to make a political point everyone should boycott Australian copies and then make the government aware of the economic impact that this causes (through listing the number of people boycotting and calculating the lost profits and taxes). It seems however no none on this forums really wanted to import, which seems to be the opposite case here.

  • If this was on PS3 it would be a non-issue.
    Watch as PC sales rise and the PC version is going to be heavily imported.

  • this is disgusting. even left 4 dead has these things. To be honest, Micheal Atkinson inspires more violent emotions in me than violent video games. If the classifications review panel does not pass the uncensored version i weep for Australia.

    • Because Killing Floor was never submitted to the classification board. It was only sold online, and not sold at retail in Australia.

      • So shouldn’t the PC version available via steam be available in all its glory if it’s not being sold via retail?

    • The OFLC didn’t refuse something like fallout’s dismemberment because its characters were NOT realistic nor were they lifelike at all. More like robots actually.

      It all starts with how it’s presented. While you do see dismemberment the lack of realism in the characters means, in their eyes at least, less of an impact on the audience.

      But let’s say, Modern Warfare 2 for example, if that game showed any wounding or dismemberment to it’s characters then you can bet your ass you won’t see it sold in AUS. Same go for Uncharted 2. Luckily, they don’t have those as selling features.

      • see, now that would be funny. imagine MW2 getting RC’d LOL
        play-asia would be licking their lips and their eyes would be lit up with $$ signs. kinda like when gta4 was censored. sure it was of scenes that really didnt matter. but, i for one imported because i didnt want a bastardized version. i had to wait for about a week after release but thats what eb’s are for 🙂 7 day return FTW!
        now, im not a pc gamer at all. but, wont this game just get pirated now? i mean c’mon its gonna get released on the scene as a full game with zero censorship and free and probably weeks before release too. maybe thats why Gabe is here? valve realise the game will lose thousands of sales here?
        i am surprised they didnt try to rc mario bros back in the 90’s. that game tought us to stuff a duck into a turtle shell, stomp on it then boot it into other animals.

      • i dissagree on the point that fallout 3 is not realistic.

        just because technolagy has moved on a bit now and things are more real, should not disclude the realnes of a game at its time of release when it was considerd more real and lifelike based on avalable tech.

        allso fallout lets u freeze time and wach decapatation, bodies exploding, eyeballs flying off in all directions and othere extreamly gory demises of all of the worlds enhabatants.
        human, mutant, ghoule (human who has become like a zombie but is still a human), children (my out of the box copy let me kill them) ect.

        this was a story based game where u where drawn into relationships with the people and mutants u where killing, which i see as a bit stronger than lfd2 where u only are rewarded if u kill infected (human who has become like a zombie but is still a human).

  • “no longer contains depictions of decapitations, dismemberment, wound detail, or piles of bodies lying about the environment.”

    wouldn’t this now be a ‘G’ rating then?

    • We wont, not unless the appeal goes through. Steam’s content for australians is stored on australian servers. Games that have been edited specially for australia that are available through steam show the australian rating as opposed to the american one, and are the australian versions.

    • Inconsistencies aside, the Board has no influence over the guidelines that they have to follow. It’s the Standing Council of Attourneys General (SCAG) that needs to be lobbied.

      But those inconsistencies are in and of themselves a serious issue. This is not consistent with the precedent set by Left 4 Dead.

  • Wonder if we can downlolad the Steam version and just change the files around…

    WOuld the ONline aspect of the game be abit odd though? that would remove the ability to play against over seas players as the maps would be diffrent…

    • I didn’t even think about that.

      You know the kid that nobody liked at school, because his mum made him go to bed before 7 even into highschool.
      Yeah, Australian gamers will be that kid, except on average 26 years old.

  • I wonder if such a massive change (which it is) is going to affect the ability for full versions and edited versions to play together.

    If it does, then theres no point buying it. Youll have shit all chance of find games. Youll only be able to play with Australians and not many of them will be buying the gimped version.

    Id really love to get L4D2, but its not looking too good.

    • It shouldn’t affect who you can play with as they are not gameplay altering changes, rather changes to what you would visually see on your own screen.

  • I’m pretty sure Left 4 Dead 1 had piles of bodies,dismemberment and wound detail and got an MA15 rating.
    So what theyre essentially saying is its fine in the first game, but not fine in the next?
    My god the people on that board are stupid

    • It’s entirely possible that in the last 12 months, that some of the members reached their maximum time and new members installed.

      Apparently the vote was very close so perhaps those new members are the ones that voted it down. This is why the OFLC has to act like a court (which it doesn’t right now) and take into account legal precendent

      You can argue that L4D1 set a precedent that L4D2 maintains. It’s not a next generation improved graphics kind of thing, its just the same game again 😐

  • So basically they’ve cut it to something worthy of an M rating and it still gets MA?

    A mandatory classification system should *never* feel this arbitrary.

  • I heard there still is dismemberment just now instead of blood and gore there is cute puppies and kittens.

    FUCK YOU Australian Classification Board.

  • the only way to vent is by joining in with the rest of you. *MOAN*

    Seriously, that is so fucking crap. As an Australian game developer I feel like this >< big right now. Thanks for gimping an awesome game, and making us look like troglodytes.

  • I Honestly dont care if the gore is censored….i know that sounds stupid but i honestly wasnt going to get it for the gore…..and just be glad that we’re getting L4D2 in some form id rather censored than banned

  • Ridiculous.

    I saw freaking depictions of decapitations, dismemberment, wound detail and piles of bodies on tv last night, but I’m not allowed to see it in a game, with far less realism.

    • Oh no! You’re not supposed to tell anyone your wish!

      Seriously, though, I hope the classification board allows the unedited version. While, like others, I would accept the edited version gladly over no game at all, the unedited version would be desirable.

      For a country that prides itself on being a leader in many world issues, Australia has fucked up on the whole video game classification deal. Anyone up for a trip to South Australia to roast us some Attorney General?

  • @ Robert

    think its worth emailing the classification board?

    Ill happily do it, but unless a lot of people get on board, probably not worth it.

    The fact that L4D got through is a very valid point though, one that maybe we should draw attention to, by emailing the classification board

    • No, emailing people is pointless.

      Write (yes, a real letter) to Brendan O’Connor, and tell his department to release the discussion paper on R18+ games. Here’s his details:

      The Hon. Brendan O’Connor MP
      Minister for Home Affairs
      PO Box 6022
      Parliament House
      Canberra ACT 2601

      Tel: (02) 6277 7290
      Fax: (02) 6273 7098

      Then send another letter to your state’s Attorney-General, (politely) explaining your position.

  • The decisions made seem so inconsistent that it seems the board is rolling some dice whenever a semi-high to high profile game comes out. It just seems so arbitary. Fallout 3 had the dismemberment and wounds and piles of bodies, but it was banned for drug references, etc. etc.

  • This is a major defeat for Australians. Everyone’s looked at trying to convince South Australia’s dissenting Attourney General to change his mind, but that’s not going to happen.

    What we need to do is take the choice out of his hands. This needs to be done as soon as possible, to prevent our local industry, and culture, from being eroded further. It’s imperative that everyone writes to their local MP’s, and to their state’s Attourney General on this issue.

  • So, we got blackface idiots on Hey Hey its Saturday, and L4D2 has to be tamer than L4D1 to get classification?

    What’s the opposite of progressive?

  • Could the admins pin this entry above the rest on the top of kotaku? I think everyone should have their say here; Maybe someone will see it.

  • This is like a hostage finally being allowed to go free only to then be raped and have most of their defining qualities be removed.

    This is bulls***, complete and utter bulls*** and I refuse to buy this version of the game. F*** you Michael Atkinson for forcing Valve to do this.

  • You folks seem to think you can import it or create a US account and gift it to yourself. Neither of these things will work. You also seem to think complaining to the classification board will achieve something, whereas I’m sure if you devote even a modicum of common sense to the matter you’ll find that to be false. Complaining is counter-productive as it establishes a rift between us and the people who can, in some way, help us. We should be encouraging them to give us a hand, not reprimanding them for their judgement. The real issue is not the ratings board, it’s the lack of an R rating.

  • Seems like Valve have basically made sufficient cuts to guarantee without a doubt that it would make it through. I take that as a sign that they are confident of their appeal being successful, thus being able to release or restore the full version.

  • what a joke. Theres worse in other games, but never mind im guessing in aprox 5 mins after release someone will have modded the crap aus version to include everything the US has.
    When they learn that they can’t win. come out with an 18+ classification you silly tards.

  • Thanks OFLC for bordering on becoming one hell of a dictatorship. Oh wait, did I say bordering? I meant YOU ARE one hell of a dictatorship.

    • Dam straight. It’s about time they get off their high horses and give us the R18 rating Dont sell smokes, booze or gods of war to little kiddies and let us grown ups THINK FOR OUR GOD DAM SELVES. OOOOOR even give US the R18 version and the KIDDIES the MA version. And hey, see what happens. If a 12 year old goes on a killing spree that leaves 34 dead happens on the first day via ‘decapitation and dismemberment’ cause he thinks we’re zombies, maybe go back to the old way of classification.

  • I’m just going to go stomp some babies in Dead Space, might stick a big ol’ needle into my arm in BioShock and decapitate some idiots in Dark Sector.

    Won’t really need L4D2 after all that.

  • Oh sweet, I don’t care for the Australian version, all I care about is getting the game in Australia so we can get servers going.

    You add flowers instead of guns for all I care.

  • Still waiting if it’ll be ported over to PS3, then it wouldnt be a problem in the world in importing. But the original L4D wasnt region locked for 360, so there’s still hope yet fellas… if its edited here I’ll just be importing it. Hell, it’ll be cheaper AND you get the unedited version. Nuff said.

  • screw you Atkinson and your fucking bitchy comments like R18 we don’t need. Only children play games.

    If it wasn’t for him, and the stupid system where all of the people have to Agree on r18+, we wouldn’t have this problem.

    It should have been a majority system, because all it takes is one idiot to say NO, and nothing happens.

  • Epic fail OFLC!

    I want full spatter, otherwise I’m simply not going to buy this game, import or otherwise.

    Time for R18+ Australia – No more inconsistencies, No more editing and squeezing an adult game into an MA15 rating.

    • Incidentally, how did Fallout3 make it through with all of the decapitations and dismemberment?

      What a load of fucking bollocks!

      • Which reminds me – in Fallout 3, you can shoot someone in the foot with a pistol and witness the character’s entire body explode in a shower of limbs and gore – including loose eyeballs (complete with optical nerve!). So, how is zombie killing worse than this? When the zombie apocalypse hits, what are they going to do about decapitations and dismemberment then, huh?

  • Yeah because that’s what gamers want. A zombie game without violence. Fuck the OFLC. Those bastards would have played the whole thing through – and a handful of people (probably less) get to choose what goes through. Absolutely pathetic.

  • The report states that the Australian-specific version of Left 4 Dead 2 “no longer contains depictions of decapitations, dismemberment, wound detail, or piles of bodies lying about the environment”.

    Um, correct me if I’m wrong but… wasn’t all the above mentioned in the first game? I’ve gotta give of OFLC credit for some stupid friggin’ decisions. Just give us the R18+ rating and we’ll stop bitching.

    I’m thinking about mentioning that in my letter to the gov’o’ments.

  • You know what shits me the most? THE GOD DAMNED INCONSISTENCY!

    Surely it’s not that much more gory than the original?

    Surely no depictions of “decapitations, dismemberment, wound detail, or piles of bodies lying about the environment” should give it less than an MA15+ rating.

    Luckily you don’t need a matchmaking service or a lot of people to play this game. This is just encouraging piracy.

    As much as I hate the lack of an R18+ rating and disagree with this decision, I probably wont be buying an edited or original version, or even downloading a cracked version as I think the underlying problem here is that Valve is just ripping people off. The original wasn’t THAT great but it was fun and could be amazing once some serious mappers got into it or more maps were released by Valve but releasing a “sequel” so soon? Get fucked.

    • “Surely no depictions of “decapitations, dismemberment, wound detail, or piles of bodies lying about the environment” should give it less than an MA15+ rating.” came out a little funny.

      A game with no depictions of “decapitations, dismemberment, wound detail, or piles of bodies lying about the environment” sounds like it deserves a lower than MA15+ rating.

      🙂 lol

  • Dead Rising:
    I can slash bodies in half with swords, axes, chainsaws, scythes, mulch them with motormowers, bash them with bowling balls, severe them with circular saw blades and watch as FOUNTAINS of blood erupt…

    Dead Space I can watch as recognisably twisted corpses of former humans wretchedly walk towards me, I dismember the bodies slowly at the legs and arms, blowing them apart methodically, watching the gore fill the screen slowly, methodically, violently, as I eventually walk over and curbstomp their head violently each and EVERY time I kill something.

    Left 4 Dead: I kill many zombies, shooting them, gore abounds, much blood, much gore. Much spatter.

    Brothers In Arms: I can shoot an enemies limbs off and see bones sticking out, blood sprays everywhere, I can watch voluminous amounts, copious amounts, of blood spray everywhere, and it does, but it’s ok. It happened in real life, I’m doing it to someone who had a pulse so it must be ok. Because a zombie never lived so that must be different hey?

    Fallout 3: I can dismember at over what… something like 12 different locations easily on the human and non human body in this game at minimum. Eyeballs fly everywhy which way. Swearwords abound, gore is rampant, violence is KEY to this game, dismemberment is a CHARACTER in this game unto itself.

    Do we see some inconsistency yet??? All THESE games were allowed in…

  • Here is a copy of the letter I sent to Michael Atkinson, MP.

    Dear Sir, the Honourable Michael Atkinson MP,

    My name is Matthew Trent Wendon, resident of Sydney. I am 24 years old. I finished my Higher School Certificate in 2004, worked in the Retail industry for many years and about to embark on working for the Australian Defence Force and the dream one day to join the NSW Police Force. I have decided to join the Forces for two reasons, one, I love this country and want to uphold its pillars of greatness that keep this Nation together, two, I have a reverence for the Law and order and wish to help protect people who cannot protect themselves. I have a solid head on my shoulders and a clear direction in life. I have never been convicted of a crime, never had so much as a driving ticket, never have I done drugs, nor ever have I ever even been in a fight. Not once. I am not a violent man in any sense of the word.

    I am also an avid Video Gamer. I have been playing video games for 21 of the 24 years I have lived. This is no exaggeration. Ever since my father purchased the Amiga Commodore 64 back in my early years, I have had a fascination with technology and computers that has only increased over time.

    Despite my parents allowing me to watch movies such as “Rambo”, “The Terminator”, and “Universal Soldier”, all action movies with a large amount of action and violence and blood, along video games such as “Resident Evil” and “Silent Hill”, at a very young age, these mediums have not effected me negatively. I knew, even as a younger child, the clear difference between reality and fiction.

    In truth, I am not a big fan of violence. This is part of the reason why I have decided to join the Police Force since they are capable of preventing things like domestic violence and assault against women – one crime that I am particularly opposed to and have even become a member of the White Ribbon appeal. Movies that I am sure you are aware of like “Wolf Creek” and “Hostel” are classified the way they are for their content – depictions of violence against real human beings.

    I have come to acknowledge and understand your point of view in regards to violence in video games, that the interactivity of the medium is what is preserving your point of view that there should not be an R18+ classification for video games in this country. However, I simply must enlighten you on the realities of who people like me are, and what we wish to play. Even as I play games online, instead of communicating about where the next objective is, they are speaking your name. I am one of those voices calling out for the voice of reason. I am also the kind of person who doesn’t play video games to act out some kind of sick fantasy like torture – but refusal of classification of a game such as “Left 4 Dead 2” left me utterly angered and dumbfounded, because the premise itself does not have a semblance of acting out the violent and graphic nature of the game with any “evil” and “sick” tendencies.

    The premise of the game surrounds four “Survivors” who have found themselves stranded in New Orleans, where they are immune to a virus that has caused many other residents to be transformed into incredibly fast, unsociable, nasty, and generally unpleasant zombies. These four survivors are trying to find a way out and get to safety. They are not in the game to create a massacre. “Left 4 Dead 2” was refused classification because of its high blood and gore surrounding decapitation and dismemberment. This is strange that this was refused because there was another title, “Soldier of Fortune” was not ever refused classification and not edited in the least, and by and large depicted “people” rather than “zombies”. Even by video game standards, Soldier of Fortune was incredibly detailed in its gore. Another example is a game called “Manhunt”, despite its premise of being apart of a “real time snuff film”, killing other criminals with things like plastic bags and broken glass (which, incidentally still made MA15+), the premise still holds that it is not “evil” because the man you play as has had his family kidnapped and is trying to save them, at the same time trying to fight for his own freedom.

    We are not the misguided teenagers and sociopaths that stereotypical assumptions might be made about people who would fight the denial of an R18+ classification on video games. In reality, we are Liberal, Labor, white and blue collar, bus drivers and Uni Students, waitresses and mechanics, even Captains in the Australian Army.

    I must highlight that the kids who were playing video games back in 1985, when the video game boom came along, are now the responsible adults of today. The core audience, and this is a fact, of the video game industry is not under 18 years of age, it is 18 to 35 years old.
    When I worked in the Retail industry, I primarily worked in consumer technology, and that also meant that I would be working with video games since I have a vast knowledge of them. I am a very real example of the front-line of classification defence when it comes to reccommending games to parents who otherwise would not know what is and what is not OK for their child, and I have stated time and time again the guidelines from the Classification board are (mostly) very accurate, and I never recommend a game like “Grand Theft Auto” to a parent with a 13 year old. I am smart enough and also responsible enough to know that messages in that game would not be fully understood or taken with a grain of salt that someone older would be able to comprehend. The one and only time where I believed the classification board was wrong was on a “Tony Hawk” Skateboarding game, where the player could fall over or “stack” and appear to injure himself, with simulated blood sometimes hitting the pavement with him. The classification may have fit the “gore” factor in this case, but by no means did it fit the tone, since the Tony Hawk line of skateboarding and sport games have always had an appeal to many ages.

    The censorship and denial of an R18+ rating in Australia is the government, in essence, telling me what is for my own good. I cannot express how humiliating it is to think that my own country does not trust me with certain content, in a judgement call that is borne out of a lack of real understanding. I simply must press the issue to you Mr. Atkinson, allow the medium to be free. If a person aged under 18 can walk into a retail store and be refused sale because they want to get an R18+ FILM, then exact same can be done with video games. It is incredibly easy to police the sales of R18+ content to children already, so why should the video game industry be treated any different when films like “Wolf Creek” simulate violence against real people, but video games simulate violence against animated pixels? I understand your concern but the reality is this, one, the majority of people playing video games are not under 18, two, this is censorship against a medium that should be treated like any other and can be just as easily policed, and three, the sale and release of these games in their “unedited” form would not cause widespread hysteria and panic or even a wave of crime. We are normal people, and we don’ t want to have to conform to rules that should not have to apply to us.

    Nothing but good will come from this should you choose to alleviate your stance on the issue. Currently, there are many Australian video game developers who are just beginning to see a broader audience – the games industry is a multi-billion dollar industry, think what would happen to the jobs and financial success of local developers if no one was afraid that Australian Classification boards are going to outright refuse their media. Foreign development countries would be much more encouraged to also enrich the local development teams.

    Please consider this letter as a representation for all those people who wish to express the same thoughts. Video gamers are passionate people Mr. Atkinson. We care about our hobby.

    Yours,

    Matthew Trent Wendon.

    • I for one salute you, Matt. You’ve done a very good job of articulating the major points as well as defending yourself as a model citizen (which as we all know cannot be done whilst in cosplay, but I won’t go into that any further).

      If you haven’t sent this off already, may I make a suggestion? In your three points towards the end of it, would you consider adding the point that too many games are currently being shoe-horned into the MA15+ rating? You might have to spend a bit of time expanding on it, but that’s always been my major argument regarding video game censorship. Even if you don’t, it’s a great letter as it is and I hope it gets read.

      And best of luck with the Defense Force and the police force. I’d be glad as hell to have people like you defending our way of life.

      Ding.

  • Its a fucking insult to Australian adults. Who the hell are they to dictate what I as an adult can or can not see?

  • OK despite the fact that there seems to be major and I do mean major inconsistencies between the first and second games rating.

    I don’t think the Office of Film and Litrature Classification is at fault. They have a group of guidelines to follow and they implement the rules to the best of their ability.

    The real problem is the lack of a R18+ rating. That’s what we have to address. Than we’ll only have to worry about the kids whinging. Heck the OFLC could make the argument that L4D1 deserves an and becomes unclassified.

    There have been cases of things being re-classified after the fact. I know Ninja Scroll was originally an MA15+ movie, heck it was shown uncut on SBS more than once and yet it was re-classified R18+ I’ve never really looked into why but I know it happened.

    For my personal opinion I don’t see how games like Gears of War and God of War with their quite visceral violence can be given an MA15 and L4D2 not given the same rating. It’s brutal and bloody yes, but they are just Zombies. And I for one consider a major difference between a living person and a hungry walking corpse. And this is in a Video Game.

    And while I’m thinking of Zombies what about House of the Dead Overkill? You can decapitate Mutants in that and it has more uses of the infamous F-word than any other game ever made.

    And one final note, other games besides the high profile ones get refused classification all the time. The thing is nobody cares that Rape Machine 3 got banned, because A) the game sucked and B) Nobody ever heard of the original 2. And yes I’m making up the game.

  • I think these politicians are under the belief that if an R18+ rating is introduced, then every kind of filth and depravity in a video game will be allowed to our shores. Just because we’d have another category, doesn’t mean some games wouldn’t need to be refused. I can almost guarantee those rape simulators created in Japan, would NEVER make into the country….
    It’s not an “all hell will break loose” scenario. it’s simply giving the adults what should be rightfully ours.

  • Cutting the violence & gore isn’t the problem it’s cutting it at all, what a joke. We live in such a “Nanny State” I bet the board is made up of religous fundementalists. They should be thrown out and not replaced. The OFLC was not voted in by the people of this country, the OFLC is just a racket.

  • Omg the appeal is on my birthday lol thats nuts, This country for me is starting to feel more Germany with every game that gets RC’d

  • I ALREADY HAVE A ZOMBIE GAME WITH EVERYTHING THEY’RE CUTTING OUT! WHAT IS THE POINT?!

    I’M LITERALLY VIBRATING WITH RAGE RIGHT NOW

  • The questions raised about the difference in content between L4D 1 and 2 are good points,
    ,but largely, a odd hypocritical aside.
    also a irrelevant (and fairly ludicrous)idea is a “Toned down” version to be released here as opposed to every other country it will be available.

    The problem of this ,and other banned games, stems from the lack of a consistent classification index for all forms of media in Australia.

    There are children’s and adult’s:
    Films, Music, and Books
    All with the appropriate classification.
    Games are simply another form of media,
    all the issues of violence raised are just as communicable through the other forms of “entertainment” (a VERY important distinction)
    it is simply a lack of foresight on the OFLC’s behalf which neglected to give a blanket classification guide for all the forms of media.

  • just pointing it out,

    that its not the classification boards fault. They are just doing their job with the laws they are given, if you want to complain, complain to the government who makes the laws, for us to get 18+ all states have to agree on it, sadly South Australia decides they don’t.

    Take it out by not voting for those who are stopping us from getting 18+.

    Sometimes i really hate this country

  • I find all of this to be irrelevant on aussies side. If there are so many problems with ratings in AUS, then why don’t they do what america did? No, not kill millions of innocent people, but yet add a ma 17+ rating.. Or even 18+ if they have a problem. I don’t think parents would really care suppourting their children for buying a 17+ game. Atleast thats how you can do it here, Parent gives the OK to buy a 17+ game, Kid goes in and buys one.

    And yes, it is quite shameful that they deny this, but allow the original L4D to be sold in AU.

    Also commenting on someone elses quote about Piracy. Steam REQUIRES you to have a clean game in order to play multyplayer. Enless you use hamachi of course, but thats just annoying. Either way… It wont increase piracy to give you an answer. Steams security is too simple, yet effective.

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