Here’s Why Left 4 Dead 2 Was Banned In Australia

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Here’s Why Left 4 Dead 2 Was Banned In Australia

High impact violence, says the Classification Board. That’s the reason why you won’t be playing Left 4 Dead 2 when it’s released in November throughout the world…except in Australia.

This morning we broke the news that Left 4 Dead 2 had been refused classification in Australia.

By way of IGN AU and News.com.au comes a copy of the Board’s report. It says:

* The game contains violence that is high in impact and is therefore unsuitable for persons aged under 18 to play.

* It notes that this violence is "inflicted upon 'the Infected' who are living humans infected with a rabies-like virus that causes them to act violently".

* The report singles out the use of melee weapons as those that "inflict the most damage" and cause "copious amounts of blood spray and splatter (sic), decapitations and limb dismemberment.. or even cause intestines to spill from the wounds".

* In conclusion, the Board finds that the "interactive nature of the game increases the overall impact of the frequent and intense depictions of violence. This coupled with the graphic depictions of blood and gore combine to create a playing impact which is high."

* Interestingly, the report also reveals that it wasn't a unanimous decision and that "a minority of the Board is of the opinion that the violence is strong in playing impact and therefore warrants an MA15+ classification" instead. However, the majority voted to refuse classification.

We have contacted both EA and Valve for comment and will update you as soon as we have more information.

UPDATED: Left 4 Dead 2 Banned in Australia [IGN AU]

Comments

    • I think what gamers in australia have to do really, is think what we can do as a community to present a valid point to why we need a higher ratings system, simply saying we are over 18 isnt enough.

      so something like
      “we are a growing community and the thinking of old doesnt apply to this technological age, adults play games and because of this the nature of some of these games are inheriently not suitable for children or teens. and while the games dont have to be explicit in nature there should be a higher ratings advisory to ensure the right audience is able to play these games

      We live in a technological age and the current system impedes on not only the growth of the industry within this country but also limits the economic potential for growth. The current systems limitations with ratings are what hold us back as a nation on the world stage which is an ever growing economic commodity and without a proper ratings board we can never access this global market.”

      something along those lines, i think if the community came to 1 unified response and critque that was valid then everyone in the country would help dispatch this message to every avenue of government to get the message out there, maybe we would see a result.

      • Mate, while I completely agree with you, the problem cannot be solved with any form of logical argument because the reasons for not having an R18+ classification are purely illogical. Let me explain:
        The classification board is head by each state’s Attorney-General. For any classification change to be passed (for TV, movies, DVDs, games etc), this change must be unanimously approved by EVERY Attorney-General. I am unsure of the exact number, but the past few times that an R18+ classification for games has been proposed – every Attorney-General has been in favor for it – EXCEPT one: South Australia’s (my state) Michael Atkinson.
        The problem then can be argued that living in a democratic society, it is clear that the majority do want this – yet the entire Australian video game community (of whom has an average age of 28!) is being held to ransom by one man.
        He has never put forward an argument as to why he will not allow an R18+ classification beyond the well-worn and entire unproven argument that due to the interactive nature of games; they make children more susceptible to the violence.
        There was supposed to be an open public discussion/forum to discuss this issue last year, which he then delayed until this year, which since then he has black-balled entirely.

  • This description could easily be for Fallout 3 or many other games for that matter, probably including Left for Dead 1… “interactive nature of the game increases the overall impact of the frequent and intense depictions of violence. This coupled with the graphic depictions of blood and gore combine to create a playing impact which is high.”

    What a crock of shit. As if the level of violence in this game would be measurably more extreme than Fallout 3 just to name one. That said, Fallout 3 was refused classification due to the portrayal of drugs, not violence.

    Does this classification have some kind of guideline as to what type of violence is more extreme than another type of violence?

    So much for living in a free country….

    • Wow..this just shows how fucking inconsistant the OFLC can be.

      When I was reading the reasons behind this ban all that was running through my head was gore bags & flying limbs.

  • Sigh…..

    Unbelievable

    I am an Australian adult and I game, I deserve a 18+ classification.

    If a restricted classification is good enough for film it’s good enough for games, if you don’t know what games your kids are playing you’re a terrible parent, end of discussion.

    As a point of interest: Valve made a game that got refused classification, how awesome is that?

    Must… Play… Gory… Valve… Masterpiece…

    • Jay Kay likes this.

      Also: When Gabe gets to Brisbane he can sort it all out. Don’t worry guys, Valve cares about us, they won’t leave us out of what is going to be THE GORIEST AND BEST ZOMBIE GAME EVER.

    • It’s a god damn insult to Adult Australian gamers. Who the fuck does Atkinson think he is, this is insulting to our intelligence, maturity and our god damned freedoms.

      • I can see why the board wants to ban it, but that isnt a reason too. it wouldnt have to be banned if we a a R18+ rating…

        By all means, put a R18+ rating on it, dont ban it!

        but also, imo, this game IS verry gory after looking at Demos, and i think at parts it goes just a bit to far, do we need spilling intestines?

        “The report singles out the use of melee weapons as those that “inflict the most damage” and cause “copious amounts of blood spray and splatter (sic), decapitations and limb dismemberment.. or even cause intestines to spill from the wounds”.

        Note: the meelee weapons are still in the game for Oz release

    • *is Christian, but disagrees with banning of blood-soaked video game*

      I think it’s hilarious that Pornography is “unsuitable for persons aged under 18” and arguably has just as great a negative impact, or greater, than violence in video games on a sociological level, and yet is pretty much available wherever interest magazines/rental videos are available.

      More relevantly, [trying to speak in perspective here] if I were a blood-lusting maniac whose self-perpetuating thirst for gore could only be satisfied by painfully and torturously bludgeoning another sentient thing to messy incapacitation, I’m probably less likely to commit that crime in a real-life setting if the urge, however primal, has been satiated in-game… And so what if I became addicted to it? Better pixels than people…

      WRAAAAATH!

      • What?! How does porn have a negative effect on the community? Its just harmless nudity and sex that everyone does and sees.

        Violence on the other hand should be restricted to adults. Its just a shame that adult Australians don’t have access to it.

      • SKYLARK, i think someone should quote what you just said and send it to that poli – Mr. Atkinson.

        if a kid under 18 trys to buy the game, store attendant should ask for id, and if under age get refused service. if the kid wants it so bad they will have to consult their parents to buy it, afteral the majority of gamers are over the age of 18.

  • I fail to see any logic behind the descision, and thats what grinds me the most. Did they see Dead Space? Seriously? How about Prey? Why are those games free on the market and this is not allowed?

    What is the boards agenda?

    • While i agree with you saying that it is ridiculous they ban it, Their issue with Left 4 Dead 2 is that, it depicts humans being decapitate by other humans, even though the humans may be infected with hidious rabies like, symptoms, it is still deemed- too graphic, which is stupid if you ask me, they dont look that much like humans now anywho, I meen look at Gears of War… Chainsaw on a gun, and you can chop up- human shaped badies by the wagon load.

  • Hmmm. All some valid points to be honest. It IS a very graphic game. You know what would help this?
    An R18+ classification! Whoo! (Don’t be too harsh on the OFLC guys. As sucky as this is at the moment, they ARE just doing their jobs.)

    • I don’t think anyone disagrees that the points are valid… we all know it’s a violent game, the first one is proof of that.

      It’s mainly the inconsistant nature of their decisions… It’s been mentioned that games like Dead Space, Fallout 3 show rather graphic violence, limbs/heads exploding, etc… these pass through no problems on the violence scale…

      So why is this really any different?

      They might feel as though the enemies are ‘too similar’ to actual humans… Dead Space / Fallout 3 might be classed as Aliens and Mutants respectively…

      • I killed an awful lot of normal humans, not infected zombiehumans, normal humans in fallout 3, and 2, and the original, and wasteland – the first.

    • No they arn’t just “doing their jobs”. Want a shock? Go look at the profiles on their website. You have the most conservative right on this board, its amazing we get anything at all here.

      I would say I was an adult and vote – but the “board” is made up of non elected officals which is why they can ignore us.

      Its funny – I wonder how they miseed another game I wont mention thats very similar to L4D – I can cut a zombies head off in that with a meat cleaver. Bah I have had enough of this place, I am gonna save up and move to a more progressive country.

      Good luck yall.

      • Mr Jobs: ” Bah I have had enough of this place, I am gonna save up and move to a more progressive country.

        Good luck yall.”

        Nah, stay & fight it. This is all being fueled by a ‘progressive’ socialist labor party. So, you’ve got a glimpse of their real ‘progressive’ utopian vision; not like the brochure, is it… but whatever country you hit, you’ll find these bastards there already & some day you’re gonna have to stand & fight them. May as well be sooner than later –

      • sorry i meant….i came to australia from canada….u wont have to deal with this nonsense over there….and best part is …they have broadband which charges the same price as ADLS2+, no lag and a hell lot of data usage with no discrimination between off peak and peak hours 🙂

      • In fairness a ratings board SHOULD be conservative. They’re there to tell people buying games if there is content in it that they may not find appropriate. So conservative minds work better (as long as they’re not extremists).
        The only reason we could use less conservative people is because a less conservative panel might accidentally let more R18+ games slip through as MA15+. So while it might help ease the symptoms it wont actually fix the problem.

        Even if you don’t agree with these games being classified R18+ instead of MA15+, we’re all better off uniting to work towards R18+ classification. Then after the system has been fixed so an R18+ rating isn’t an automatic ban you can rally to change what is/isn’t appropriate for each rating.
        There’s no point in tweaking the system until the system is fixed.

    • I agree totally with the R18+ arguement. The problem is the people who control the ratings board imply that making an R18+ or AO rating wouldn’t help since kids will just find ways to bypass the system.

      By that logic of course, all R18+ movies should be banned as well since kids can just find ways to get their hands on those. It’s a stupid double-standard. The older generations don’t understand this since gaming is a new medium, they’re probably the ones who think like Jack Thompson and reckon playing violence is different to watching violence (though less heavily opinionated than old Jack, of course).

  • OK people, if we want to see this game, we need to contact the attorney general and the OFLC and have our voices heard. We will not settle for a “modified” game, and we shouldn’t have to. Australia needs the R18+ rating extended to video games. Get in touch with your federal rep and the Attorney General’s office if you want to enact meaningful change.

  • “interactive nature of the game increases the overall impact of the frequent and intense depictions of violence.”

    This I think is the most annoying aspect, and will be the tipping point. The majority of Australians – and people in general – work under the ‘common sense’ intuition that violence + interaction = greater impact.

    In fact, research has generally shown that there is an inverse correlation, that the interactive aspects actually make the violence less impactful. Gamers generally all know this.

  • How do we get in contact with this so called board?

    This is seriously starting to grind my goat. Its not their right to choose, its mine and mine only.

    Enough is enough. Its time for gamers and gaming journos to unite and start spamming the crap out of the powers that be and petition for an R rating.

    David, can you see fit to guide the people that want to do something about this in the right direction?

      • valve will have to abide by the classification laws imposed on them especially through steam.

        they will have to ban the sale of l4d 2 on steam to aussies too and there isnt much you can do to get around this…..

        i can see alot of people turning to piracy to just play the game…

        … you can blame the primitive classification scheme for games by this board. The Australian Government need to get with the times… or fail by the wayside

    • yah that sucks 4 u australians but for me im
      fine and ill be playin it on the 17th so
      hahahahaha sucks fur u dough bags

  • Wow, the WHOLE COUNTRY has boycotted L4D2.

    When Gabe Newell steps off the plane in Brisbane I imagine he’ll simply burst into flames.

  • I refuse to buy a watered down version because a bunch of old farts used their connections to land an easy gig on a classification board.

    If international versions aren’t compatible with Aussie servers, I.Will.Not.Purchase.

    Come on Valve, Your Aussie fans need you. Please try to find a loophole or exploit in our crappy laws.

  • Funny how movies like 28 Days Later and Dawn of the Dead do all that and much worse, but were rated MA15+.
    And as far as zombie games go, L4D is pretty damn cartoonish in the way it plays. The over the top gore would just be for the sake of being over the top rather than for any intent of actually being violent.

  • Seeing how as the maker (guy-whos-name-I-can’t-remember) is coming here anyway… perhaps he could pertion in person?
    Mr Smith goes to Washington style?

  • “The game contains violence that is high in impact and is therefore unsuitable for persons aged under 18 to play.”

    Hmmm I wonder what would be a good idea then? MAYBE INTRO-FUCKING-DUCE AN R18+ CLASSIFICATION RATING!?!

    I am awaiting the time when gaming is no longer seen as a prepubescent hobby. The average age of a gamer is over 30, and yet still our highest rating is less than half that age. When will they fucking realise

    • The people who make the laws are in their 50s. They have children who grew up playing games. They did not have an opportunity to do so themselves – by the time video games were really more than a passing oddity they were at least into their 20s, and the increase in games that are made for and by a more mature audience has only really occurred in the last 10-15 years.

      Basically, they will never realise. They’re too stuck in their ways to realise. It’s our generation, who have grown up with games, who will have to make it into government in large numbers before there’s any shift in thinking.

  • Graphic or not, it is our right as adults to choose whether we want to play or not.
    The whole premise is that people are adversely affected by playing the games.

    The gore in the game is one reason that I want to play it so much, the same reason that I like to watch horror movies. I like extremes and shock value.

    How can they apply a 15 rating to people above 18? It just sucks. And f%^& the OFLC.

  • It’s going to take public outrage to get something done and we Australians are all so damn hard to motivate.

    I realise people have been fighting this battle for years but this game may just be the straw that broke the camel’s back.

    If you’re an Australian adult and you game not only are you entitled to a classification system that fits your needs you are also part of the LARGEST demographic of gamers in Australia.

    Old news I know but for anyone who’s just finally feeling the sting of this outdated and moronic system can view the facts with a quick google search for “Interactive Australia 2009”

    The document includes interesting information such as:

    -68% of Australians play computer or video games.

    -The average age of an Australian gamer is 30 years.

    -70% of parents in game households play computer and video games, 80% of these parents play them with their children.

    This isn’t even something that should be in debate, this SHOULD BE LAW.

    I game, I vote and I know what I bloody want, next person who promises me an 18+ classification get my vote regardless of party or affiliation.

    This has gone on too long.

  • You know what would make this all better. If someone invented zombies. Because if zombies become real, then it goes from being science fiction fantasy to a survival educational game. And then the government would give it out for free.

    • It’s because there’s a black guy in the game….isn’t it 🙁

      Jokes aside, this is so retarded. What do i pay taxes for?, so these people, who probably dont play games, to just sit around deciding for the whole gaming demographic what we should and shouldn’t play? Outrageous. It’s time to find out how these bloody laws can be changed and why they haven’t been yet as well as firing the entire board.

  • I love stomping on the baby things in Dead Space. And no, I don’t want to go out and stomp babie after playing it. I’d like my rights back thanks

  • It would be nice if Games weren’t so politicised. It’s just so convenient a scapegoat that it won’t be until something new comes along that “threatens the Children” that we will see a realistic classification system. I think it took a lot of years for Films to get them, so we may be in for a long wait. Australia is just backwards and full of hicks, we need time to change the attitudes.

    I have my right to choose taken from me and our wishes are marginalised by a Politician-Turkey who just can’t quite see the facts just in case it completely undermines his position.

    Why don’t we just bite the bullet and go 100% China-Owned-Commie-Satellite-Country right now. Oh wait that celebration is for when the filters get turned on. 😛

  • “* The game contains violence that is high in impact and is therefore unsuitable for persons aged under 18 to play.”

    I’d wager most people would agree, if only there was a way for them to certify a game so that only people 18 and over could purchase and play it?

    *bangs head on desk*

    The issue of 18 rated games in Australia has become a parody and the real victims here are the everyday people who simply want to play the latest mainstream videogames. Ask certain politicians about this issue and they’ll drag out all manner of sick and twisted products which have no sensible bearing on the argument as they’d never be made available here under an 18+ rating. It’s all designed to shock and scare the everyday voter into believing that allowing an adult to play an more mature videogame would expose their children to the most shocking and depraved experiences imaginable.

    It’s a sad reflection of our current society that people should use positions of power to impose their own moral values onto people rather than listen to the views of the electorate.

    The issue of 18 rated games in Australia has become a parody or a real issue

    • Done & done – emailed.

      This is disgusting, and makes us the laughing stock of the gaming community.

      R18 CLASSIFICATION NOW PLEASE!

  • …does anyone think having Gabe Newell visit Australia could help out in this situation at all? Perhaps someone could chat to him and convince him while he’s here to contact the OFLC, either about having L4D2’s rating ammended, or about his own opinion on our lack of an 18+ rating.

  • Thee games with equal levels of violence and dismemberment.

    Fallout 3
    Ninja Gaiden II
    Deadspace

    Each of these were allowed release in Australia.

    Some one really needs to get the Classification Board to explain the differences here.

    • Remember that Fallout 3 had to go through some localized changes before it was released here. That said it was more about the use of drug names rather than the gore, which makes me wonder just what the ratings board is smoking when they make decisions like this.

    • I reckon Gear of war2 could even be added to that list, I mean chainsaw bayonets, and brutal sniper headshots…I really don’t know what the problem with adding another tier to the rating system would harm…R18+ GAMES!!

  • Instead of bitching why dont you Aussies do something about it? if your gonna let your goverment take away your rights then I guess your going to let them castrate you as well..

    Protest about it.. make it hit the news or something.. or just import it from us in NZ 😛

  • Dave, can Kotaku please put up a news post containing a list of authorities we can contact etc and do something akin to making it a ‘sticky’ so it’s there at the top of the news for everyone to participate. Part of the problem is so little people know what to do.

    Make sure you let people know being belligerent won’t do us any good either.

      • Hey David, While you are at it, any chance you’d be able to use your clout to get the opinions of the big retailers?

        I’d love to know what EB, Game, JB HiFi etc think about the fact that they now have one less block buster game that they will be stocking shelves with. Surely this decision will be hurting them in the wallet-organ.

  • Here’s my predication: Left 4 Dead 2 will be available in Australia.

    Whether it gets appealed and OFLC re-assigns it MA15+, or whether there are minor changes made to get it in under the bar, I predict that it WILL be available for sale in Australia.

    THAT IS THE REAL PROBLEM!!

    If we had an R18+ rating, the game could be rated R18+ and minors would not be able to buy it – end of story. The problem is that without an R18+ rating, publishers are forced to push the limit of what’s acceptable for an MA15+ game just to “get it under”. It’s precicely what happened with Fallout 3 if you remember – it was initially RC, but got re-rated MA15+ with minor modifications.

  • I can’t believe it… We’re not only drifting towards some of the most shocking censorship, but we’re also facing one that is driven in the most arbitrary way. These people act as dictators, banning or letting go games with no obvious criterion. Indeed how can one justify banning Risen and saying nothing for Witcher, L4D2 but not all the zombie games around, including L4D1? Where is logic, rationality here? Can this really happen in a democracy, can we end up with people holding so much power and using it in an arbitrary way… I’m scared…

  • I agree gamers need to somehow get this news to the mainstream media in some way (maybe through publishers) and make a decent point of lobbying for an R18+ rating but it needs to be handled in a legitamate and calm matter. Cussing and sending death threats to Michael Atkins is not going to help the issue at all.

    From Michael Atkinson’s Wiki page:

    “He has withdrawn his support for a discussion paper and public consultation on the subject of an “R18+” rating”

    Maybe Kotaku Aust could start a submissions call for people with good writing/debating abilities and put together a good list of debates to start the discussion again?

  • Ah for crying out loud enough with the “oh I’m an adult and so I can choose what I play”

    The failure is not in the rating system, the failure in the board, clearly the game was suppose to pass but the majority just refused.

    Take FEAR 2 as an example, that game got banned then unbanned after the appeal. I’m sure the same thing will happen with this game.

  • This is just embarrassing…

    If our Government is going to keep treating the Australian people like children, then maybe we should start behaving like children.

    refused classification.. where have I heard that befor? The great fail wall of Conjob.

    This needs to be fixed

  • Its great how inconsistent these bannings are.
    The PC version of GTA4 releases totally unedited, Fear 2 releases totally unedited and yet this game is some how taking violence too far?

    God I hate our ratings board so much.

    Their is still absolutely no reason whatsoever that we shouldn’t have an R/adult only rating for games. Banning these games is denial of human rights and nothing more.

  • Yet there remains no classification criteria with books.(Not that I want one) I remember the QLD. State gov. was looking at “The Preacher” comic – with regards but that got through. We need an 18+ classification for video games- simple as that. Isn’t it the fault of the Attorney General that we still don’t have one?

  • Here’s the email I plan to send off. Can anyone help improve it?

    Dear Board of Classification

    As an adult gamer, it concerns me that while other forms of media, such as film and television, get R18+ classifications, games do not get an R18+ classification, and therefore adult gamers in Australia get no right to choose what media they consume.

    This is a form of censorship, and here’s why:

    1.If a game is considered unsuitable for minors, it is banned for everyone in Australia including adults.
    2. As an adult gamer, I should be able to play adult games, but instead the games are censored.

    Other forms of media, if deemed by the board to be unsuitable for minors, are given an R18+ rating. However games, if deemed by
    the board to be unsuitable for minors, are refused classification and are therefore banned for sale in Australia. Why the double standard?

    The South Australia Attorney General, Michael Atkinson has put forth reasons for this double standard, which are mostly his personal opinion, and none of which are backed up with scientific evidence.

    ” In cinemas, the age of moviegoers can be regulated, and at the video store people must provide ID to hire R18+ videos. Once electronic games are in the home, access to them cannot be policed and the games are easily accessible to children. These days, older children (18-30) are often living in the family home with younger children (under 18). This means games belonging to older children or parents can easily make their way into the hands of those under 18.”

    The fact that older “children” can allow younger children access to adult media applies to other media as well, including film and TV, not just games as Mr Atkinson suggests. Also, if an R18+ classification was introduced in Australia, people would have to provide ID to hire or buy adult games just as they have to now with video.

    “I have three sons who regularly play computer games at home–the eldest is now 22. I see my children become physically and emotionally obsessed with games, and it is difficult to drag them away from the gaming console.”

    This is anecdotal evidence, and Mr Atkinson’s personal experience. This does not represent Australia’s youth, and laws should be backed up by science, not one persons family. Just because his children are physically and emotionally obsessed with games, it has absolutely nothing to do with letting Australian adults play adult games.

    Mr Atkinson goes on to explain his opinion that violence in video games is more damaging to children than in other forms of media, and therefore adult games should be banned. This claim is not backed up by evidence, and also he seems to forget that an R18+ classification means that only adults are allowed to play it. Either Mr Atkinson is deciding what media adults may consume, or, as he says later in his piece, he believes that the risk of these games reaching children is too high, and is worth the price of censorship.

    This implies that he believes the rating system does not work, and that minors can get their hands on adult forms of media freely. If Mr Atkinson believes this, why does he allow other adult media to be sold in Australia? Surely the risk of pornography and gruesome, real-life violence reaching children is also too high? Again, I must ask, why the double standard?

    As an Australian adult who votes, I somehow have no right to choose what games I play, even though this choice exists for other forms of media. It is a disgrace that this double standard still exists in 2009, and I ask that the Board review it’s policies.

    Signed,
    Oliver Charlton.

    • I’d suggest focusing on how there’s little evidence to back up his idea that adult content in games can ‘damage’ children. He’s acknowledged and refuted (in his opinion, anyway) every other point made, the only thing he hasn’t been able to do is come up with definative proof that shows adult games can harm children.

  • I should probably mention something about the average age of gamers being over 30, yet all gamers having to conform to a standard half that age?

  • Ultimately it is going to hurt Australian businesses.

    As people on here have said, if people can’t buy the game in Australia, they will import it. They won’t buy it from retailers who are employing people, and the retailers can’t buy it from publishers in Australia.

    The move will (slightly) contribute to Australia’s already huge current account deficit.

    Back onto the gaming side, I’m not exactly sure how the original worked, but I’m guessing there’s going to be some way for people to buy CD key’s on the net, and illegal downloading is so prevalent anyway.

  • being in my mid 30’s i must say that the australian classification board has no idea on what people can or can not handle.
    It is a game not real life, i see far worse on tv with the likes of Dexter and the news. oh i know lets start classifying the news so that what happens in real life is watered down to suit peoples sensitive natures ( get a clue ACB) it is time to get this fixed. all South australians at the next election MUST vote out Michael Atkinson so we can gain an R18+ rating for games

  • What could be more fun then running around with chain saws hacking zombies to bits. I’m sorry but this decision is terrible. You cannot do this to a GAME and then pass many other games. Its funny because this is the ONLY country that will not have access to the game. Something to be proud of? I think not.

  • How bout they give us our R18+ Rating and get off our backs. If your worried about kids playing these games put a fkn password system on the games or something. Not only that but there fking up our economy in a way because whether or not they release here if its a cut version of the game that wrecks the experience of the game, no way in hell im gonna buy it from here, and thats not just me. Damn you Classifications board…

  • Here’s the thing though: I’m still going to play this game. I’ll either buy it off Steam if I can or get it illegally if I have to. All this does is give less money to the developer and that really sucks. This is absolutely absurd.

  • I pray to god that I will still be able to buy and play it from Steam, that’s hosted in America right?

    As has been said with the many other comments, the inconsistency with the OFLC board is astonishing.

  • I’m 14. I’d found absolutely nothing wrong with Left 4 Dead when I bought it. There were no “Oh my God so disgusting I’m about to vomit moments at all.” All I found was a gaming gem in the heap of all the rubble, which offered very balanced game play, an awesome flashlight system, and one crazy bitch who got really angry when shot.

    Sure, some of you will say that I’m not old enough to even be looking at the screenshots, but, honestly, I’m much more mature than what my age states. The OFLC sees gaming as just a thing kids do after school, but seriously, as stated in many other comments, the average age of an Aussie gamer is around the 30s. The OFLC fail to see this, saying it is too gory, and unsuitable for under 18s. As Bill would say, “Bull frickin’ horse shit.” If the under 18 in question has the maturity of a two year old, and can’t stand to see a zombie without an arm, or it’s intestines spilling out, don’t buy them it, simple as that.

    Obviously, our government needs to get there act together and introduce an 18+ rating system.

  • One thing people are forgetting when it comes to the OFLC’s ratings is that there is actually a big difference between movies and videogames. Not in the whole ‘it’s worse because it’s interactive’ thing, but because games are a completely different media- stripclubs in GTA4, for example, aren’t something that are crucial to the games’ story, so an OFLC Rater may not have even seen this. One of the core problems here is that while games aren’t being RATED the same way as movies, they are being EVALUATED the same way. The OFLC are simply doing their job they best that they can, holding the nations’ best interests at heart. It’s not that they’re out of touch with today’s youth, or whatever, it’s most likely because under the current system of classification, is it impossible for a game to be thoroughly played. Especially with games such as- as mentioned before- GTA4. The in-game world is massive, there’s no way you can see everything there is to see in Liberty City until you’ve pumped a good number of hours into it. (Hell, I havn’t even played the game yet and I know this)
    The ratings are also obviously inconsistent- how is it that Jet Set Radio Future got through without a word, where Getting up was banned? Both games have you playing as a delinquent of some sort, have a heavy reliance on the use of Graffiti, and has the players fighting against authority which they believe is ‘corrupt’. And how did the ‘Auskick’ mums (see what I did there? :P) NOT cry out when Persona 3 (a game which features teenagers shooting themselves in the head with a device that looks like a gun regularly) came out?
    This, coupled with the lack of an R18+ Rating in Australia (which would eliminate the need for a more thorough classification process) are the most major factors here.
    Hopefully, at the very least, Valve will have the sense to not region lock the game, so we can at least import.
    We can bitch and moan all we like, but there won’t be a shift until, like other people have said, gamers make it into these jobs. Or at least people who are more adaptive to new media and changing social standards.
    Either way, Play-Asia will be swimming in a pile of money when this comes out- at least someone will be happy.

  • To be honest – finally they have done their job correct. I mean, i ain’t happy they have banned the game. It just shows again that the classification rules in Australia are stupid with gaming.

    But – heaps of other games have passed when they are much worst than others. I mean, this proves they are serious and they have done well. Not saying i agree & all though.

    But until we get a R18 and IF we do, then we will continue to receive bans on even BIG games like this.

    I mean, COD 5 passed with Nazi Zombies even though thats not the primary part of the game.

  • Oliver, The email is very good and you make a good point of adding in the fact about the average gaming age. Also Michael Pannunzio’s point about hurting Australian Business is quite relevant, why do they want to do something that would reduce consumption and spending in the middle of an economic downturn? how ever small or great the effect of the game sales is on our economy isn’t the point, it’s the fact that it would be beneficial and we are just plain missing out on it. This backwards thinking is completely unnecessary… Of course this point is prudent to the overriding issue of denial of human rights that accompanies the lack of an R-18+ classification on such a significant entertainment medium.

  • Just so you all know it isn’t the OFLC’s fault there is no R rating.

    In 2001 they even suggested there should be an R rating for video games but it was shot down by the wonderful and magnificent Attorney-General of South Australia.

    To get an R rating all the Attorneys-General have to approve the change and Michael Atkinson is the only one not to approve it. As such we can’t get an R rating.

    So don’t hate on the OFLC too much. Hate on Michael Atkinson instead.

  • /RAGE
    when will this guy learn, movies are EVEN more realistic and yet they get slapped ma+15
    most games that are rated are ma+15 should be R18 which i agree, GTAIV should not of been MA15
    can we have link to petition?

  • On another note – whilst Valve was up graciously accepting their ban for Left 4 Dead 2, Kanye West got up and stole the microphone claiming Beyonce’s video was one of the best of all time, far more gory than L4D2 & should be banned instead…

    Sorry couldn’t help it.

  • Oliver, your letter sounds good. Hopefully it will actually achieve something, instead of being dismissed because the OFLC and Michael Atkinson are all for ‘PROTECT THE CHILDREN!!1’

  • What we really need to do is talk to the developers, and then take action with their help.

    Threaten Australia. It only takes ten giants to wake Australia up if you simply don’t make games for us. Save your development costs on useless shit like dumbing down graphic images; keep the original. Save the OFLC fees. Put those savings to producing extra units for the States.

    Threaten our economy. Threaten our jobs. GDP will fall, ceteris paribus, especially now where they can’t afford any more of it. And Australia will act to your demands. R18+ classification vs. slashed GDP and thousands of jobs. The matter is simply trivial at that.

    And if all is well, you will save a load of money in the long run that’s better spent on quality than dumbing down graphic, translating to sales. Unless dumbing down graphic doesn’t cost money. If developers are willing to trade off short term loss for long term gain, everybody wins.

    Why support Australia if they don’t support you?

  • Maybe if they emphasise the ‘living dead’ rather than ‘mindless rabid human’ part.

    Not any difference to me, but it appears all the difference to our retarded classification system.

    Also, this game sounds SO AWESOME.

  • What a ridiculous situation.
    But of course, I’m preaching to the converted here.
    I mean, what’s the point of complaining about it on Kotaku? 98 percent of the people that will read it already agree with you. Why not tell it to the Classification Board?:

    http://www.classification.gov.au/www/cob/classification.nsf/Page/ClassificationinAustralia_Contactus_Contactus

    If for some reason the above address doesn’t work, google them & let them know how you feel about this rubbish. That’s the ONLY WAY we’ll get an R18 classification for games in Australia.
    Do it now.

    GTB.

  • It’s important to remember that politicians won’t react to emails or online petitions (no reason to stop singing them thought). They do however react to snail mail. If a politician receives full bags of mail day after day they will respond because its a pain in the arse to sort and then get rid of.

    Either we should focus on one politician and spam them via australia post or spread over multiple politicians so they will talk about it at parliament. Potentially someone like Steve Fielding could be a good ally because his main concern is protecting the family and with a R18+ option many violent games would be restricted from minors.

  • “* It notes that this violence is “inflicted upon ‘the Infected’ who are living humans infected with a rabies-like virus that causes them to act violently”.”

    There’s the fucking problem. They’re classifying The Infected as living humans, not undead/reanimated corpses. I’ll bet a clap of thunder to a duck’s fart that that’s where the objection to the content lies.

    If they’re under the impression that you’re slaughtering hordes of sick “living” people as opposed to zombies (a.k.a. undead fictional monsters like Halo’s Flood or Fallout 3’s Ghouls) it might have gone MA15+.

    Of course we still deserve an R rating, but that’s not going to happen with that prick in S.A. now, is it?

  • I have to wonder about people who call themselves ‘adults’ bitching and moaning over a banned game they’ll BT for free anyway. As an ‘adult’ why is it necessary to play ultra violent games at all? Are you honing your ‘skills’ for something? Did I miss the memo that a war is coming and we all need to be learning how to chop limbs off and deal death and destruction arbitrarily? You only need to see someone go from watching Fast and Furious immediately getting behind the wheel of a real vehicle to see that the affect is real. Obviously banning it is a mute point. If it exists, it’ll be on BT for all and sundry in no time so the money spent on researching it was a complete waste and my life walking down the street gets a little bit more dangerous each day.

  • It’s rather simple people.

    ENROL TO VOTE. That’s step one.

    Step two is DO NOT WRITE the ministers in question a BIG HATE FILLED RANT. Do what I’ve done – called your local MP and politely ask for an appointment to discuss with them their stance on the matter. Here’s a list of them, broken down by electorate – http://www.aph.gov.au/House/members/mi-elctr.asp

    Be prepared with some facts and statistics. Be prepared to explain your position: I mean seriously, this is the same body that’s permitted Quentin Tarrantino’s work into the country.

    Also, while you’re there, you might consider having a word about Senator Conroy’s hilarious Paedo-proof fence he’s trying to build on our already feeble internet? I for one can think of a dozen uses for the hundreds of millions of dollars he’s gonna pour into that boondoggle.

  • is like….george bush ban final fnatasy 7 cause of act racist and suicide bombing mission wich DINT happen…

    I kind feel sorry for Aussie’s people. Here il lend my Thor’s hammer and strike who ever ban the game – From other side continent-

  • Just pirate it and get your friends to do the same, then play over hamachi, not like l4d2 is worth the money, anyway. I already bought l4d1 which I regret.

  • If it’s banned in Aus, I assume that will mean no Australian servers. So even if you do import it you’ll have outrageous lag issues.

    If we get a toned down version to play, will that mean that we would be able to play imported versions on local servers? I imagine it would have version issues.

  • Valve should just come out say “This is where you can import the game from gamers of Australia, if you game resellers have a problem with it, contact the OFLC.”

  • Great… and because it’s Valve, and Valve = Steam, we’re not even going to be able to play an imported version.

    If violent games encourages violent behavior in children, it’s only fair that Atkinson gets RC for encouraging violent behavior in adults.

  • This country is fucking retarded.

    We’ll squeez L4D into an MA15+ rating even though it should be R18 but ban the sequel because its a little more amped up then the first…

    /gkick OFLC

  • Game Retailers don’t have a lot of clout in this argument, because they can be dismissed as having commercial interest, and then Mr Atkinson will talk about the BIG MEAN COMPANIES not caring about the adorable innocent wide-eyed kids, who will somehow get an R18+ game.

  • gov go die u suck i don’t want to live in Australia anymore if u make your own rules about what we should do with games and what we should not and dont blocked the school sites that piss me off!!

  • What’s the point of a bloody rating system then if this guy’s fearful that it will “harm the children.” The reason the rating system is there is to protect children!

    There is much more copious and realistic violence in 15+ films then there are in 18+ video games.

  • Please pulleeze somebody take a BFG10K to Michael Atkinson and Stephen Conroy – two Aussie politicians we can definitely do without – they’re messing with my digital bliss.

  • Lets just say I try ordering the game from overseas, through ebay or a friend, will it still be delivered to me in Australia? Or will it be confiscated just because it’s banned over here?

  • God damn…

    Where to begin, where to begin…

    Firstly, I agree with many of the other supporting comments of this above article, mentioning in-consistencies with the classifications.

    Lets see what high gore, extreme violence games I can name off the top of my head?

    ~Fallout 3

    ~Oblivion (I can bludgeon someone to death with a mallet if I desire)

    ~Fear 2

    ~GTA (Any)

    …to name a FEW!

    Yet they continue to be sold on shelves in every Target and EB Games in Aus.

    An R18+ rating would have been appropriate for L4D2 in this case. Simple, if they’re not 18, they can’t buy it, if they are 18, and choose to expose themselves to such violence, so be it.

    It’s the opinion of this writer, that video games don’t breed serial killers. I don’t play the current L4D and then want to go out and dive on someone like the hunter and rip them apart.

    I DON’T consider wielding my under-over shotgun in public and shooting innocent people after playing GTA?

    And I don’t feel like bringing out my knives and trying to stealthily back-stab people after playing a spy in Team Fortress II…

    So what difference will this make?
    Bludgeoning infected zombies with a cricket bat… so much worse things can be found these days in games already available.

    Leave it to one over-moralistic tight arse in a position of power to ruin it for the rest of us.

    …and not come forward to explain his reasoning by the way.

    I definitely agree with Ribs, when he says “…next person who promises me an 18+ classification gets my vote…”

    I’ll be in the ballot box beside you mate!

  • This is retarded. I feel like i am still under 18. All those years, i was restricted to certain games by my parents, but now that i can finally make my own decisions about what i view, these morons step in and take over. What right do they have to do this?! I have every right as an 18+ person to play this game.

    It seems like there is an MA15 rating, but after that, you remain that age. Think about it – we can’t see anything more violent than a 15 year old should see. This is pathetic. This is half the problem with our country. They wonder why our generation has problems. I’ll tell you why, these people in power act like parents who tell us what to do. Who the hell are they!? I AM RESPONSIBLE FOR MYSELF! I’M OVER 18 AND WAS NO LONGER UNDER MY PARENTS CONTROL AT THAT AGE!
    It’s like the freakin government is now my leagal guardian for the rest of my life!

    Expect downloading figures to go up in australia guys! I hope this will open your eyes a bit. I was looking forward to this game as was millions of other australian gamers. They will still get their hands on it!

  • its a big lot of crap. L4D2 isnt much differint from L4D1. i still rip apart “infected” in it (that everyone calls zombies) and if i want the game, i will just get it of Steam or Ebay!

  • Hi

    My name is Daniel… And im Australian. Well for the moment until i can bust of this wanna be politically correct “country”. (if it deserves to be called at country at the moment)

    Pure embarrassment.

  • WTF :/
    This is so pathetic.
    AUS get with the time please. it’s 2009 now…

    I seriously hope Valve don’t do what a lot of companies do when there games are RC, and edit them just to suit the “aussie people”.

    The R18+ classification is needed!

    NOT proud to be an australian citizen.

  • Seriously they should stop saying that kind of bullshits. A game is a game : FEAR wouldn’t be FEAR without the horrible hallucinations and Alma, Dead Space wouldn’t be Dead Space without the Necromorphs and that insane atmosphere, Fallout 3 wouldn’tbe Fallout 3 without this great freedomand realism. Dammit, now they’re scared about the fact that ” blood will scare our Australians. Let’s ban it ! “. Dammit, use your brian somedays.
    Even if I’m not Australian I support every australian person and L4D fan here.
    And after that they complain about piracy. They should learn to use their brain first and make a decision for a game after.

  • Just unbelievable. I am sick to the guts of the OFLC ruining everything and making unreasonable demands on game companies and gamers alike. I’m going to try everything I can to legally import and play this game, I’m thinking getting one from new Zealand. But if I have to resort to blatant piracy to play it? Let’s just say these crusty old farts at the OFLC will NOT decide what I can or cannot play! I’m old enough to make up my own damn mind.

  • I’m seriously not accepting this i have had it with others dictating to the lives of others. From before we were born the police dictate laws to us that we never signed off on. And then they had the ordacity to act as if they are superior even though they were appointed by us. This kind of ridiculous censorship has gone to far even if your whole family wanted you to go watch an R18 movie and were present at a ticket sale they still wouldn’t let you into the cinema.

  • AARRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!
    It feels like I’m a kid being put to bed so my parents can watch a “grown up movie” every time this happens… I’m 30 with 2 of my own kids!
    This problem is more than just Atkinson. Its the entire system thats wrong. As gamers we should be pushing for a BIG change to the system that allows ONE person to decide for an entire nation in a so called democracy.
    Its complete BS and unfortunatley the democracy Aussie pride ourselves on is clearly BS also.

  • I’m an adult, and it seems to me that the Australian Government is treating adults like myself and thousands of others, like CHILDREN.

    We all have a mind of our own, and if we want to play something like Left 4 Dead, we should damn be allowed to. This is complete bullshit.

    If they won’t reconsider, then they are going to find ALOT of people turning to piracy and importing to play the game. Don’t they realize how poplular L4D is?

    R18+ classification is allowed for movies, and some R18 movies I’ve seen are much much more violent then this game.

    They’re nothing but old farts who don’t want to see change coming into Australia, so they ban everything that is new and scary to them.

    Fuckers. I’m boycotting this shit.

  • there classifications are all over the place. Ninja Guiden 1 was banned in Oz until they removed human decapatations. Ninja Guiden 2 howevere was the most brutal game I’ve ever played!

  • Yeah i got something to say.

    Yeah it’s a pity it’s banned from AUS, but it’s a game. I mean, get a life and quit going on about it

  • * It notes that this violence is “inflicted upon ‘the Infected’ who are living humans infected with a rabies-like virus that causes them to act violently”.

    If the humans in Grand Theft Auto get rabies
    should I stop killing them? I need advice OFLC!!

    • Good idea.

      I’ve been thinking…I’ll buy copies of the game in the US and give a 20% percent discount to Australian gamers. xD

  • I would like to say,
    I have a close friend who plays games in australia.

    It would suck if wasn’t able to get a copy of L4D 2 in retail.

    Among other things, a shipping fee would only add to the cost, making left 4 dead 2 equivalent to 80 US dollars, just to have it shipped to another country.

    But I am curious, why does this committee of so called elites choose to boycott such a popular game?

    This isn’t a boycott, it’s a shipping blockade for video games.

    I don’t have the vaguest idea why they called it a boycott. The stores in Australia who have to buy the games to sell them would probably like to sell L4D because it makes money.
    Censorship law is a tough thing, because it inflicts on Natural rights. In this case, the government should go back to the drawing board and redistrubite this power of policy making.

    People give the government power of execution in exchange for freedom.
    Hard facts are: This isn’t a freedom. The likelyhood of being killed by a person who plays left 4 dead is about as likely as a person who plays left 4 dead killing another person who plays the same game.

    *Hence every Walmart and Target Shelf having it empty.*

    No Matter what happens, even if all of australia chooses not to buy L4D 2, the game will still be made and sold to other countries.

    You can’t boycott bananas! These guys are crackers and nuts. They’re committing a fallacy of improper correlation without evidence.

  • When i went to get prototype i was asked wether i was 15 yrs or over. I lied and said yes. I am close to but not there.I got away with it. And besides even if they do ban it you can always find it on the internet. But it wont be the same as buying it. But f&*k them. I was really looking forward to this game. They ban L4D 2 but not GTA4. GTA4 had more adult content. SO L4D has alot of blood who cares.

    Makes we want to move to another country just so i can have games that are not edited just for the Australian audience.

  • This is, and it hurts me to say this, the dumbest thing I have ever heard. They can’t do this to us.
    I am Australian and I have a right to choose what I wan’t to play see or listen to. Banning things like this will simply make people want them more and more so they will find a new way to obtain it. Use your brains. God.

  • This is totaly unfair we are like the only country who is getting banned from this game , why doesnt the australian government look at games like the RE5 series where peoples heads get cut off by chain saws and getting eated by crocodiles and others like GTA4 were the guy swears every 5 secounds and you kill people along the streets ?

    Seriously get real … The government is just BS.

  • What about the saw game coming out why isn’t that banned “ah,lets just stick my hand in a alive human to get a key while he/she screams for their life”um… no on 2nd thought thats not gorry at all WTF?

  • why not simple give an option to toggle the gore on or off or have an age verification enforced to turn on the gore, they dont have to ruin the game for everyone

  • “melee weapons as those that “inflict the most damage” ” – What level you figure that out sir?

    “interactive nature of (the) game(s) increases the overall impact of the frequent and intense depictions of violence” – Every Video game ever made since ever.

    living humans infected with a rabies-like virus that causes them to act violently” – Homework: Rabies

    That is all.

  • this is upsetting. even if everything the board commented on was true – that the violence was high impact and there is too much blood and guts for their comfort, so what? allowing the game to be released is not the same as forcing children to play it. it should be up to the parents to gauge what their kids can and cant hadle, not a board of politicians.

    if you ask me, the crucifix is pretty high impact violence… they don’t seem to have a problem with that. maybe they should have a meeting about limiting the distribution of bibles to kids aswell – that shit is horrific. no?

  • “That’s the reason why you won’t be playing Left 4 Dead 2 when it’s released in November throughout the world…except in Australia.” So, as I sit and not play left 4 dead 2, Australia will be playing it.

  • we all think this is f—ked to the shithouse.
    i mean we need this game… its not like we havent had gore like this ever before..
    well im importing the PC version

    SUCK that f—ked up viewer rater of Australia..

    cos of this i dont understand how ppl dont just turn to piracy… i honestly dont understand.

  • Sigh!
    It makes me highly confused, when these bible-bashing, obstainers from everything, regurgatate this garbage.
    Saying one game is not appropriate due to the extreme violence against a fictional(already dead!!) zombie.
    But to allow games like GTA, which is all about negative social interaction, goes to show just how inconsistant, unprofessional and lacking in all credability the system is.
    Mr(insert profanity here)Atkinson reminds me a lot of my high school teachers, high and mighty for the sake of it, with no justification that makes any real sense, except to them.
    Gee i guess we will all send our money $$$ overseas and get copies, what a DORK!

  • I really feel sorry for you guys, i’m in america and i’m saving up for it. I agree with you all that this is all a load of bull. What happens to the people who preordered it? do they get their money back?

    Valve just lost a huge chunk of their gaming audience, why? because a bunch of old farts decided that they don’t want mature adults playing a game INTENDED for mature adults.

    an adults only rating is seriously needed, and i’ll do whatever it takes to help you guys out, because as a valve fan, this is outragious

    it’s facism, communism, and overall douchebaggery

  • This ban opens doors for piracy. More people are going to download the uncut version off a torrent site rather than go and legitimately buy the cut version.

    And now Australian eBay is flooded with the uncut versions from other countries sold to Australians (sometimes for a significantly higher price)

    I couldn’t bear the Australian version anymore, so I did what most people do and downloaded it from American Steam.

    Good job for the Australian goverment and all the different organisations. Someone should protest this.

    • @Mike In the MA or “cut” version are there alot of glitches, For instance say i cut open a zombie’s stomach, would it freeze for a second or do something ike that?

  • I think it is stupid, i mean mabey just mabey some adults want to play it. And i’m pretty sure parents would not let there children play it any way, So what i’m saying is that it’s their choice.
    P.S I would be able to buy it (I’m from Aus)it’s just i would get the Low level gore version, which is stupid.

  • It’s because our Australian censorship board is a bunch of 70 year old single mothers saying “oh lord! Look Beatrice his arm came off! Oh we just can’t allow our poor innocent children to see this!” INNOCENT MY ASS!!!

  • I played Left4Dead2 for 2,000+ hours and killed 950,000 zombies and I am not a violent person. Not only I am not violent, but I also help other people if I can, I helped a wounded woman who fall on her face because she slipped from the ice on the ground and she broke the bone of her head after she fall down directly on her head. I called the ambulance for her because she and her husband seem not to have cell phone with them, and I waited until the ambulance came incase they need my help before the ambulance arrive, then I left when the ambulance came.

    Another story, when I was in the subway (American subway) the doors of the subway closed on someone’s bookbag, they were not completely closed and it was difficult for the people inside the subway to notice it, which means if the subway moves the doors might re-open automatically because they were not fully closed from the beginning. To make things worse, the subway was filled with people, I could not enter it because there was no space for anyone and I had to wait for the next subway to arrive, which means if that door opened automatically while the subway is running fast there will be a lot of enjuries and deaths to the people inside it. I knocked the door to warn the passenger inside the subway before it leaves and I pointed to him with my finger to the door so that he move inside so that the door can fully close, he ignored me, but someone else inside the subway who saw me pointing to the door said something to him, then he moved a little far from the door and the door closed, then the subway moved. If I was a violant person due to video games I would ignore the doors and do not warn anyone hoping that the door will re-open and make people get injured and die.

    Other stories: I never saw a homeless person in the street without giving him enough money to buy a fast meal food. Only one time I saw a homeless person and did not give him money even though I had money, but I was hungry and I had enough to buy food for myself. There are too many people (who do no NOT play games) and they never a damn when they see homeless person . What does homeless people has to do with this topic? If I was violent I will be so happy watching someone else suffer from hunger and will not help him out, not even with a penny.

    I also played violent games since I was 7 years old until 28 years old (my current age) and I do not start problems with anyone unless they do then I will show them the ugly side of my face. Why some governments connect violent video games to real life?

    I am also so annoyed by some Americans who think that because I love the AK47 and I am Arab it means I hate Americans because the Russians (enemies of the USA) are the ones who created the weapon. Why are you connecting the love of a weapon due to its (((stylish design))) to the love of a country? Why do you connect the hate of a weapon due to its bad (((style design))) to the hate of a country? I love the M4 rifle a lot, especially when it has all the extra items attached to it (laser sight, flash light, grip, etc), however this is NOT a proof that I love America just because I love the M4 rifle. It is true that some people choose only the weapons of their country and they never choose the weapons of a country they hate, but this is not always true. I can assure you that most players in this world select weapons due to the style, they do not give a damn about who created the weapon even that creator is Satan himself!!!

    Why the hell I keep seeing people connect video games to real life? And why the hell I see other people connect the love and hate of a weapon to the love and hate of a country?

    The reason why I love L4D2 is because I enjoy killing zombies (monsters), and I also love using guns. Love using guns does not mean love to kill the innocent, love violent video games does not mean I love violence in real life, and the proof is my story with the wonded woman that I mentioned in this video as well as the other 2 stories.

    I love war games, and I hate real war because of the terror that happens in it. I love war games because they are fun, and I hate real war because it is distruction and brings pain to everyone. I love war games because I enjoy using the weapons to kill virtual enemies and hide from them before they kill me, and I hate real war because the weapons are not used for fun, they are used to kill innocents, Most of the victims in real wars are innocent people as what we saw in all the modern wars in the past 70 years. Countries do not use their armies to defend themselves anymore, they use them to destroy other countries and kill a lot of innocents, that’s why I hate real war and love war games.

    I hope the U.S. government will not do the same stupidity as this government!!

    I believe that the only danger from Mature video games is from the (child molestors) who uses games to become friends of kids who play Mature games. Many child molestors play games to become friends of children, these molestors claim that they are kids so that children feel safe being their freinds in the game, then after the molestor become a good friend to the child he will ask the child to go out with him in real life to play a game in real life, then kidnap him after they meet in real life. This is my openion after what I saw from the FBI agents in the Mature games I played, this is not necessarily true, just my openion.

    I played with FBI agents in more than one game which I discovered them because of simple mistakes they did while playing the game that exposed them to me and clearly showed they were FBI agents and not some gamers coming for fun. These guys play Mature games with us because children play Mature games too and the FBI agents want to protect them from child molestors. Even though the US government ban children from playing mature games, but parents do not care, if the child cry hard to get the game the parents will buy them for the child, parents will get all mature games for their children if they will cry day and night for the game, and the US government know this, that’s why the FBI agents are playing the Mature games with us and they are using special software that changes the voice of the FBI agent to a child in order to fool the child molestors by making them think they are playing with real children.

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