Star Wars: The Old Republic Patch 1.1 Breaks High-End PVP

33 responses to “Star Wars: The Old Republic Patch 1.1 Breaks High-End PVP”

1. 

   Jordaan Mylonas

   January 19, 2012 at 8:24 am

   James Cameron to direct, Leo DiCaprio and Kate Winslet to star. Theme song by Celine Dion.

   Catch my drift?

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   1. 

      A.J

      January 19, 2012 at 8:28 am

      OIC wat u did thar….

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2. 

   Rize

   January 19, 2012 at 8:28 am

   I think it’s a bit short-sighted to call for a patch rollback when the true issue is that, due to player choice, one faction is more populated than the other. Why not just add something to avoid spawn camping for both teams?

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   1. 

      Alinos

      January 19, 2012 at 9:08 am

      Which is why you have a rollback to begin with.

      You rollback to when the thing wasn’t a problem. Then you fix it.

      We have seen that Bioware aren’t really on top of the fixing things quickly side of things.

      Otherwise instead of banning people for dancing/chest looting they would have implemented the minuscule fixes for them and removed the problem before it was an issue.

      Also question how fair it is that all the Imperials will have exploited this change to gain large amounts of valor.

      —

      No MMO i can think of has ever had a reasonable ratio. In fact some people will look for servers that have a larger amount of the side they want to join than the other.

      No real reason to roll Alliance on a server that outnumbers alliance players 9:1.

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3. 

   Glenn

   January 19, 2012 at 8:28 am

   Looks like the servers will probably go down again tonight 🙁

   it’s a shame, the amount of patching Bioware do is really giving this game a bad rep, especially considering the free month ends tomorrow.

   I’m still going to stick with it, I’m fracking loving it as KOTOR3!

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4. 

   Monkeychunks

   January 19, 2012 at 8:36 am

   does no one remember when wow first implemented honour points? You couldnt even land in crossroads without getting ganked! Same thing as this. This kinda stuff always happens when a game puts a price on another players head 🙂

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   1. 

      PiratePete1911

      January 19, 2012 at 4:26 pm

      If only there was some other MMO that had seen all these issues before that Bioware could have perhaps peeked at 🙁

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      1. 

         Raf

         January 20, 2012 at 5:33 pm

         It is mind-boggling that these people could make an error of this magnitude when WoW is RIGHT THERE. Did they think WoW introduced instanced PvP zones with balanced side numbers just for fun?

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5. 

   Sam

   January 19, 2012 at 8:50 am

   I like that pvp can go either way depending on populations, I like that mmos can be dynamic where games are usually static. The problem is, unless I’m mistaken, this was content made for 50s to… yknow… do, instead of standing around, not really sure how this can end well.

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   1. 

      Alinos

      January 19, 2012 at 9:13 am

      Except most MMO’s end up static anyway. Or worse the battlegrounds end up abandoned because there is no way for one side to win.

      There is nothing dynamic about there being more players of one side than the other. Because it’s not the sort of thing that cycles. You don’t get a week where there are more good guys then a week where there are more badguys.

      It becomes static one side is always going to be outnumbered.

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      When you have events where numbers will outweigh skill it becomes a real problem

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6. 

   Edes

   January 19, 2012 at 8:56 am

   “So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph because good is dumb.” Dark Helmet

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7. 

   Andy

   January 19, 2012 at 9:14 am

   Well it is Biowares own fault really. They knew well before the game launched that the factions would be insanely unbalanced. So instead of them doing what Rift did and actually force balance by not allowing one faction to have characters created when they hit a balance issue, they just allowed a faction to run riot. And the balance on every server is well over 3:1 in favour of Imps. Worse on the pvp servers with Swiftsure rumoured to be around 5:1.

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   1. 

      Dwayne

      January 19, 2012 at 11:04 am

      That is exactly what should have been.

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   2. 

      Alinos

      January 19, 2012 at 12:40 pm

      Though the issue is that unlike something like Rift. My guess is that no matter what Imperials are always going to have a higher turnout across the board.

      plus there is an easy way around that, you get players to make throwaway characters on other servers to increase the republic/imperial balance.

      Someone wants to play imperial on Server A, guy on server B can make 5 or so republic characters on Server A allowing 5 people to roll imperial on the server no problem.

      Server sees 100imperial and 100 republic. But of those accounts only 80 imperial might be active and 30 republic.

      The only way to truly fix it would be to make areas like that with a tolerance of 1.25/1.5:1 or something. Or instances/districts with the same sort of ratios.

      The problem then becomes though that if only 200 republic players are there you can only have 250/300 imperials there and everyone else has to wait. Which would kinda be where instancing/districting helps since at the very least you could try funnel that excess into a imperial only type situation

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8. 

   Daniel

   January 19, 2012 at 9:51 am

   Did the PvPers learn nothing from WoWs atrocious PvP? What made them think this would be different? Go find a new genre.

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9. 

   NotAbbott

   January 19, 2012 at 9:57 am

   It all sounds fine to me, just more typical MMO-player whinging. It even sounds conon – I’m sure there were more Storm Troopers than Jedi in the movies!*

   *note, I don’t care and don’t know.

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   1. 

      Alinos

      January 19, 2012 at 2:07 pm

      Which is completely irrelevant.

      Considering

      A) there are generally less Sith than there are Jedi in the galaxy.

      B) there are no storm troopers in the game.

      C) smugglers and Troopers(Soldier) would most likely outnumber the amount of bounty hunters and imperial agents(assassins)

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      1. 

         NotAbbott

         January 19, 2012 at 4:12 pm

         A) Being a generalsation is as relevant as anything I said.

         B) Doesn’t matter either, they’re part of the lore and fiction the game takes part in, regardless of timelines.

         C) ‘most likely’? See A above.

         Whoopdedoo.

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10. 

    Woods

    January 19, 2012 at 9:59 am

    Good, I like being the underdog.

    FOR THE REPUBLIC!

    *gets ganked by 5372839 imps*

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11. 

    Matt Dive

    January 19, 2012 at 10:06 am

    ” Imperial players are camping Republic spawn points, dominating objective areas, and generally farming the entire zone willy nilly.”

    Wow, it’s almost like the Sith are EVIL, or something. 😉

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    1. 

       Joshy206

       January 19, 2012 at 10:09 am

       It’s just roleplaying!

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12. 

    oldtimer

    January 19, 2012 at 11:02 am

    heh, i’d hate to be the guy at bioware who suggested “hey , why don’t we make it so dailies and weeklies force people into pvp’ing”

    /facepalm

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13. 

    Riavan

    January 19, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    We had the exact same thing in wintergrasp in wow for ages.

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14. 

    not frank

    January 19, 2012 at 12:26 pm

    nobody mentioned all the sith ppl who cant complete quests because as soon as repubs spawn they get 30 ppls gcds and are.ded.already so to be honest its affecting.both factions. fix is.to allow.you to get pvp stays from pve gear or to give useful.frrebies to one faction to promote rerols.like aion took to long to do

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    1. 

       Jordaan Mylonas

       January 19, 2012 at 3:18 pm

       En Anglais, si vous plais?

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15. 

    DogMan

    January 19, 2012 at 3:44 pm

    The entire time I’ve been on Tattooine there’s been complaints in general that the Republic level 50s are camping quest points and generally disrupting gameplay for the Imperials. They don’t gain anything out of this. They’re just at end-game, know they can one shot level 30 characters, and have nothing better to do. I have little doubt my fellow Imperials are out there doing the same thing in some other low level zone.
    That’s just how two faction MMORPG world PvP works. Both sides attack the weakest part of the other side. If Faction A outnumbers Faction B ten to one, they don’t send players home they take advantage of the situation. When something new and exciting comes along like this it attracts a lot of attention. It’ll die down or get replaced eventually. Think about Tol Barad in Warcraft. At first you couldn’t move out there without getting ganked. Then you could do the quests in a group. Then you could solo them without much trouble. After the Molten Front came out you could just walk around there without a care in the world.

    I think the way around it is to find a better solution than simply having PvP and PvE servers (almost everyone on the PvP servers complains while leveling, and I can’t really blame them because it does suck to have a group of end-game characters beating on your level 25). Start thinking up ideas like a hybrid model where you can turn PvP off if you’ve been dead/in a rest zone for more than five minutes. Not the greatest solution but I’m sure ther’es got to be a better way of doing things than this.
    Maybe give all players two sets of stats, PvE and PvP. The PvE changes like normal, but the PvP stats cap out based on the level difference between you and your target (a level 50 in top notch gear would consider a level 25 easier than a fresh 50, but they’d still have to actually fight which means the lowbie can escape or, at least potentially, win). It wouldn’t solve the imbalance issues but it’d mean lowbies could rally together and fight back.

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    1. 

       Steve

       January 19, 2012 at 4:37 pm

       World PvP will always happen, short of rolling to a different server but this issue isn’t about that. It’s more high-end, encouraged PvP events like BGs where faction imbalance is just causing it to be a clusterf*ck and downright not-fun for players in the Republic faction. WoW attempted to balance it out in Wintergrasp by grossly buffing up the outnumbered team, but it’s imperfect at best.

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16. 

    McGarnical

    January 19, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    All of this seems to only apply if you live and breathe this game. Seriously, if there are problems at level 50 PVP, why not level another class while you wait for the problem to settle down / Bioware undertake social engineering?

    I speak as someone who has owned this game for a week and played about 7 hours.

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17. 

    Akra

    January 19, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    This always happens to the good side in an MMO.

    Haven’t developers learn to my the good side attractive enough?

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18. 

    Robbo2332

    January 19, 2012 at 8:40 pm

    Man when GW2 hits it’s going to be insanely popular, a highly polished full MMO experience, thousands of hours of content, robust social elements with no monthly fee.

    Swtor will tank.

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    1. 

       McGarnical

       January 19, 2012 at 10:23 pm

       And what’s GW2 going to do? DPS?

       And who’s Healing? Well, that’s obvious. Liquor. Sweet, sweet liquor.

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19. 

    RobbyM

    January 20, 2012 at 10:29 am

    The thing is – many people are commenting that BioWare appear to have put more work into the Empire storylines than those of the Republic – especially the sith warrior and sith inquisitor.

    Now if BW made Wookies a playable race, I think you’d see quite a few people creating one – along with lots of driods missing limbs.

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20. 

    Jacky

    February 2, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Well it is star wars….the republic is always gets the shorter end of the stick…but hey if you can’t hack it being the underdog…..playing the good side may not be for you!!!

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