Australian Law Reform Commission Has Only Received 80 Submissions

Australian Law Reform Commission Has Only Received 80 Submissions

The closing date Submissions to the Issues Paper for the Australian Law Reform Commission is July 15 yet, despite being open since the middle of May, there are currently only 80 completed submissions. Time is running out for us to have our say on important issues surrounding classification in this country.

It’s understandable to an extent – it seems like every other week there’s a new survey to fill out, or a new submissions process, but considering that 80% of the submissions made so far are lobbying for an increased amount of censorship and government intervention, it’s important for us to help provide a more balanced view.

Let’s get motivated! These are important issues, and paramount to the way classification will be rebuilt post the Australian Law Reform Commission’s report early next year.

Submissions can be made here.

Thanks folks.


    • Seriously though, even a quick and dirty one only takes about fifteen minutes, and you’re not required to answer all of the questions.

  • I’m sorry, the phrase “have my say” is only meaningful under an assumption that someone is actually listening.

    Right now, everyone and their dog wants R18+ and we’re still talking about having our say like it actually _meant_ anything?

    • Governments are required by convention (and probably law) to open submissions for proposed legislation. Particularly since they’ve ordered a public inquiry into it.

      • Governments can’t be trusted to do shit. What happened last time there was an inquiry that found that a supermajority of people wanted R18+? More inquiries! The people can’t be trusted!

        Give me a break.

        • There was no “supermajority of people”. The majority of people *who responded* were in favour, but that was always going to happen because it was an online submission, which is a space dominated by those who want it.

          If you seriously think that thing was representative of most Australians, you’re deluding yourself.

          I want R18+ as much as anyone else, but I’m not going to pretend that particular survey meant anything.

          • so essentially what your saying is that a submission process is broken because only those that are interested in the topic will submit.

            If the politicians work off the same logic than any submissions are useless and as such there is no point in the people filling them out because the govt will ignore them anyways

    • The ALRC has a good reputation for actually listening to people with regards to this sort of thing. It’s seriously worth your time to submit.

  • I think their plan is to keep asking us to say the same thing to them forever and ever, until we become so exhausted we give up and they can turn our rights into confetti for their office party.

    6 years later and this point right now, is the closest they’ve ever been to achieving their hidden agenda.

  • There’s been countless surveys, submissions, and other such things in support of an R18 rating and despite that, every meeting of the Attorney Generals ends up with a resulting “Yeah we’re not sure yet, it needs more consideration”.

  • I’ll write one when I’m drunk.

    That way I’ll be really passionate and more willing to use big fanciful words.

    • And…done.

      My little notes section at the end was a little longer than planned.

      Key point was that classification should be there to inform, not to censor and that restricting content should only be done if it is demonstrably harmful or illegal. Probably should have been clearer to say illegal to produce, not depicting illegal actions (otherwise no more Breaking Bad and that would make me sad).

  • It’s obvious no one in power gives a crap or is too terrified about releasing a single finger of their iron-fisted rule.
    So, I’m sorry, but I stopped caring about the classification issue a long time ago; about the same time I discovered importing strangely.

  • I’m reading a few of these responses, and the number of people who want R18+ and X18+ content prohibited entirely in Australia (including via the internet) is kind of surprising.
    Do I sense the ACL’s hand in this or are that many people independently legitimately concerned about pornography demeaning women?

    • I think that, given that several of the respondents have sections that match each other, word for word, that there is some sort of organization behind some of the ‘more censorship for the children and feeble womens’ submissions. Hopefully the ALRC will note that.

      • I hope so. It’s pretty damned obvious just by reading a few of them.

        I like the people who use broad terms like “offensive” as a reason to censor something.

        I’m offended by crucifixes. They are a medieval torture device that caused unimaginable suffering and the constant worship of said device disgusts me. Therefore, all images, depictions or uses of crucifixes should be banned.

        Being offensive goes both ways.

        Also, swearing is bad?

        Man, I wish people were forced to back up these nonsense claims.

        • Also, this is the one thing that seems to be in a lot of responses (regarding internet classification):

          “All material that would be classified RC,X18+ or R18+should be prohibited to the general user.
          Opt in access to R18+ could only be provided subject to strict age verification procedures including
          registration of all users to prevent the material being then duplicated and passed on to other non
          verified users.”

          I’m getting rather angry reading this nonsense.

          • I’ve seen similar word-for-word-the-same responses in other campaigns (particular complaining about ‘offensive advertising’) – in that case it was the ACL in Queensland who sponsored it.

            They have rather a large email list and plenty of people with (often genuinely-held views) who will contribute.

      • Yeah, I tried to append that observation earlier but on on an American server at work so loads really badly. Practically form letter remarks about “abolishing R18+ content from the internet” unless people opt in for R18+ only, and specifically noting that NO R18+ rating should be added for videogames. Interesting…

  • “considering that 80% of the submissions made so far are lobbying for an increased amount of censorship and government intervention”

    Really? Where did you see these? I just scanned through a majority of the submissions and they all seem to be in favour of changing/adjusting the classification system to make it clearer and introduce a common set of classifications across all media types (including R18+ for video games).

  • Note there have only been 80 “public” submissions. With these sort of submission processes, the vast majority are kept confidential.

  • Submitted. Felt pointless. You know compared to those what, 30k plus others we did last year? Seriously if the AGs screw this up I’m gonna Goomba stomp them…

    • This is a completely different process, looking at, not just the R18+ issue, but at whether or not the system that’s been denying us an R18+ rating (i.e. SCAG) is fair and appropriate.

  • Maybe they’d have got more responses if it didn’t keep giving “Validation Error” when I try to go to the second page, but it doesn’t actually tell me what’s invalid about my submission. I’ve filled in all the boxes, both mandatory and optional ones, but apparently that’s not good enough.

  • That was hard… “If the current Commonwealth, state and territory cooperative scheme for classification should be replaced, what legislative scheme should be introduced?”… does anyone know any legislative schemes?

  • Nice to see that the couple of hours I invested into this (CI 28) a while ago at least made it to a very formal looking list.

    What they are discussing goes much further than just “Should we have R18 for video games”. I hope that the end result is better than we could have imagined. Especially for small developers.

    • Also I’ve checked out a few of the other public responses and it’s really revealing. I know my grammar skills are terrible but seriously, read some of the pro-censorship responses! It may be bad form to attack spelling and grammar, but if those are the people who are against us then we’ve got nothing to worry about.

  • Yes, validation error.. over and over and over again.

    I wonder if this is why there are so few submissions.

  • I gave up after the public discussion paper debacle; where the discussion paper was thrown out due to “skewed data”. Meaning gamers had “too much” of a say

  • God Damn form seemed to reset while I was typing it. Must have his some sort of refresh key while typing.
    Oh well, start again

  • I cant believe my eyes with some of these submissions…

    A. Pitt writes:

    “No R18+ classification should be available for computer games, Such games tend to lead to rape & child molestation.”

    No reference or further information given on this statement.

    I sincerely hope the g’vt does not take this one at face value.

  • I’m getting a shitload of errors, spent an hour writing a detailed submission, and it won’t submit. this is why they have so few reaponce…
    For one it said I have submitted before when I never had, then it gets a validation error, website and the whole system is bullshit

  • I’ll have a look at it tomorrow – but seriously isn’t any else fatigued by this long winded process, this is how these people chip away at freedom, one review at a time.

  • An hour and a half later, I’m done. Yes, it can be a pain in the butt having to do this over and over again, but the real enemy isn’t the ACL or other groups spreading disinformation.

    It’s apathy. When you stop caring about something, that’s when you let someone else decide it for you, and I for one am throughly over being told what we can and can’t watch by the people who claim to represent our beliefs.

    I’m tired of it. I’m getting to the point where I’m struggling to be civil on the matter. Yeah, I’m mad about it, mad because it feels like no matter how many times we do this, nothing changes.

    That’s what we’re really mad about, that despite overwhelming evidence, despite public opinion and countless surveys, nothing changes. You’ve got to take that anger though, don’t let their apathy beat you. Keep pushing, and beat their apathy with your frustration and desire for change.


  • To everyone saying why should I bother writing into this one when the other one didn’t make a difference, there’s a big difference between this one and that previous one: the previous one was run by a Senate Committee, ie a bunch of politicians. This one is run by the Australian Law Reform Commission, and has a much better history of properly considering the issues, legal implications, how other countries are dealing with the question, and is just generally more thought out and objective. Write in to this one, write ANYTHING even if just to show that we’re not a minority. You keep complaining that the Christian moral majority keeps getting heard, well, it’s because they’re organized and make a point of writing into stuff like this. Giving up and saying what’s the point isn’t the way to go, gamers.

  • they can just use my entries to the last 10 years of polls and submissions. I can’t be arsed filling in yet another one for then to ignore in favour of what their lobbyists tell them to do

  • Read the wording of the questions carefully as this also pertains to the Internet Filter that Senator Conroy would have us believe will block child porn.

    This filter will also restrict access to information about euthanasia, and other subjects deemed “Politically Incorrect”. Oh and games.

  • It saddens me to see all this hopelessness I’m seeing from the Australian community. You really have that little faith in your government to see things from the people’s side? So little faith that you aren’t willing to sign on? See to me, that’s a sign of terrible government, but then again, I’m American and, while I know some attempts are futile to change legislation, I feel that at least putting my voice out has some small effect. If you feel you can’t make a difference, try, if it turns out you actually cannot make a difference, then there really is a problem with your government and you NEED to change it.

    ~End revolutionary rant

  • Submitted mine answered every question as best I could not many people seem to have answered them all ^^;

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