Tell Us Dammit

Tell Us Dammit

I don’t normally like making ‘Tell Us Dammit’ specific to one game or one series, but while I was sick yesterday I spent the whole day playing Metal Gear Solid 3. It got me to thinking about all those incredible/confusing moments I’ve had playing the Metal Gear Solid series — what are some of your favourites? Anything you completely hated?

Favourite moments for me are…

— The entire Tanker level in Metal Gear Solid 2. The whole thing. — The boss battle with the end. — The Metal Gear Solid flashback in Metal Gear Solid 4. — Metal Gear Solid 4’s second act. — Psycho Mantis. No explanation necessary.

Weak moments?

— The convoluted end of Metal Gear Solid 4. — Self indulgent cut-scenes in 2. — The clunky opening hours of Metal Gear Solid 3

Man, I think that’s enough from me — over to you guys!

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      • “Tower, this is Ghost Rider requesting a flyby.” But Air Boss Johnson was to deny the request. “Negative, Ghost Rider, the pattern is full,” he said.

        “You can be my wingman anytime, Air Boss Johnson,” Ghost Rider said, still approaching the flyby closer still to the “dangerzone”.

        “Negative, Ghost Rider, the pattern is full!” Air Boss Johnson repeated with a certain hothouse conviction.

        Sorry, Jonathon, where was I? All over the place if I don’t say so myself! What calamity! Writing the script for the amateur dramatic society’s upcoming stage production of Top Gun is driving me to despair and folly. Be that as it may, I still feel a need for a measure of courtesy – as much as I can muster – when approaching persons in a more social context.

        What say you, Johnathon? I better approach for a better tomorrow? You could be your very own Top Gun when it comes to courtesy! What a scoop! What say you, old fellow?

        Maybe something like:

        “You are winning Glenn, yes, I really think you are! And I know a winner when I see one, let me tell you. I appreciate the smiley face at the end of your comment, it reminds what a sunshine day it is to be; happiness means a lot to me.”

        You’re a good fellow, Jonathon; I can see that. A genuine Top Gun. Anyway, I’m busy trying to get to the bottom of the relationship between Goose and Maverick; I mean, it’s central to exposition and development of the narrative’s tangled story threads. It’s not easy, Johnathon, let me tell you.

        Good day, friend.

        Kipperton Beaumont.

    • Nor have I. I will, however, be picking up a copy of this collection at some point in the near future… don’t know when I’ll get to it, tho.

  • My favorite part was using octocamo to blend in with some statues in a plaza somewhere near the beginning of MGS4. Snake strikes a pose and tries to pretend he’s another statue, whilst holding on to the penis of one of the other statues. If you hold this pose for too long, he breaks the penis off the statue.

    Hilarity ensues.

  • Also, I loved everything about the Tanker section until you have to sneak through the briefing. Most anxiety-inducing moment in stealth gaming ever!

  • Crawling in the air vents in the beginning of MGS, showing my mates for the first time the different things you could see upon looking down.

    The first time I got stuck looking for the radio frequency. Threw me for a good while that evening. GameFAQS was barely a thing so couldn’t ruin it for me then.

    Slipping over on pigeon poo.

    While it was less tactical stealth and more action oriented, I enjoyed MGS3 so immensely that no one part stands above the others right now.

    The opening act of MGS4 was pretty pure MGS, and much enjoyed.

  • Been playing PeaceWalker (the only mgs i havent played).. its so awesome.
    More of an arcade feel, but its so addictive. Coop every level.

  • “It’s my destiny, to be here… IN THE BOX!”

    The whole skitxz-out of the AIs in the final part of MGS2, ‘Fission Mailed’ included

    To be honest, the WHOLE of MGS3. Not the first Metal Gear game I played, or the last, but the best one in my opinion. Creative Kojima and Business Kojima working in perfect synergy.

    Those first few levels of Portable Ops, while the giddy joy of having an ‘actual’ (read: kinda sorta) MGS game in the palm of my hand. That wore off quickly though.

    The sniper duel with Sniper Wolf in MGS1, there’s just something frantic about it that later games lose with their better controls. Wolf knows where you are, you know where Wolf is, it’s about ho gets to the trigger first. It’s pure.

    Bits and pieces of Peace Walker. True, the game wasn’t really standout in it’s own ways, but the Monster Hunter missions were cool. Not to mention co-op sneaking.

  • I loved the return to Shadow Moses island in MGS4. First the dream sequence where you replay the opening minutes of MGS (complete with PS1 era graphics!), and then the journey through the facility… seeing all those old areas again but years later in their neglected, falling apart condition, but with the little flashbacks to MGS1, and the music etc. I don’t think I’ve ever had a stronger feeling of nostalgia when playing ANY game.

    • I can’t believe I forgot about that.

      The music. The way it was handled. When he looks up at the camera and it breaks.

      Just perfect.

      I, unashamedly, love MGS4. Love it so much.

    • Oh and I can’t believe I forgot that other bit near the very end of MGS4 when Snake is dragging himself down that corridor, getting fried as he goes and you’re desperately hammering the button to try and get him to drag himself those last… few… metres…

      Brilliant.

  • Oh, also some of the humorous conversations that could be had with SigInt in MGS3:

    Sigint – Snake, why are you naked?
    Snake – Because it feels good.
    Sigint – Yeah, you can select NAKED in CAMO. But it doesn’t help your CAMO INDEX and you lose stamina faster when naked.
    Snake – What about my pants?
    Sigint – Say WHAT?!
    Snake – My pants can I-
    Sigint – Oh HELL no, this FOX unit is a nutfest!

    Hilarious.

  • Help.

    I have MGS2 and 3 on a PS2 I have borrowed and playing 2 for the first time. The Tanker stage is done and so far I had to disarm some bombs in the bathroom on the Big Shell. I am struggling to want to keep playing though. I want to play it before the apparently great MGS3 but yeah, feels like a slog.

    • Mate you probably were better off playing 3 before 2 if you didn’t have MGS1.at first. Doesn’t matter now, there should be a feature somewhere in the MGS2 menu explaining MGS1s events. It will make a lot more sense when playing MGS2.

      Oh and all MGS games start slow, you’ll grow into all of them, trust me.

      • Ahhh righto.

        I’ve beaten Twin Snakes twice, so the story MGS1 isn’t an issue.

        I’ll keep at it, just seems droll at the moment. I know it’s the grand-daddy of stealth but I’ve played a lot of more recent stealthy games that crib elements from MGS.

  • MGS 1 was the first game whose story really surprised me with a genuine twist. That moment after you put the third PAL card in and everything turns on its head is pretty darn amazing.

    MGS 2 is seriously the most academically-study-able mainstream game of all time. There’s so much going on philosophically in that story (the plot suffers a little for it, but still impressed me).

    MGS 3 remains the only game in history to reduce me to an emotional blubbering wreck.

    MGS 4 in general left me a bit cold. Overproduction is a hallmark of the series, but it really started to hurt in the latter stages of MGS4.

    • Then go play the games instead of complaining to us? I don’t know, it just seems like an issue where the onus is on you, not us.

        • The humorous tone is lost in translation when i post so many serious thoughts.
          Like the crisis in Iran.
          The plight of the wales
          The cure for cancer!
          The teeth of Sarah-Jessica Parker

          Boy, i could go on for days!
          So many woes in the world, and MGS is amongst my foremost and most pressing!

  • The best would be the first time i fought the end. A three hour fight that i lost, only to start again right away for another 2 hour fight.

  • Oh, and the result from constantly ringing Mei Ling in MGS1. That sort of extra-gamey content was much appreciated by me throughout the franchise.

  • Never could get into them, keep buying them because they look good, but dont have the patience needed, and just for the record, on PSP it was to hard to play by myself.

  • -The Fight with The End. Amazing.
    -the sheer head asplodeness of the end of 2
    -“Come on Mr Foxhound, the Commander is waiting”

  • Cool topic My favourite bits:

    The AI glitching at the end of MGS2
    The nuclear explosion in MGS 3, cause it looked rad.
    The fight in the white flowers in MGS3
    The fight with the End
    The part where the guy from rat patrol has nervous diarrhea in the drum in MGS4
    The microwave tunnel crawl in MGS4 (so intense)
    No place for Hideo

    • Oh and the part where Raiden fight the bi-pedal cow metal Gears in MGS4
      and the part where Raiden embeds the sword in the dock to stop the floating haven. amazing.

  • MGS1 was the game that brought me into the series. The weapons, the story, the gameplay. All revolutionary for their time. And the story was brilliant too.

    MGS2 stood out on the tanker for me. The shell is where it fell apart for me. Got tired of Raiden being a little crybaby. It did reduce me to tears when Otacon finally reunited with EE only to have her die in his arms.

    MGS3 is the absolute pinnacle of the series. New features introduced that made it awesome. No more relying on the radar. It was your sight, movement and skills that mattered. The End boss fight goes down as my favorite of the series. And Eva is always easy on the eyes.

    MGS4 was a great game for me. Camo switching could be done on the fly, CQC was tightened up and the setting made it fun. Need to go back and replay it sometime. Felt horrible for Otacon in 4 for reasons everyone who’s played it should know.

    And a special mention to Egoraptors Metal Gear Awesome parts 1 and 2. The jokes are bad at time but it never fails to make me laugh.

  • MGS3 from beginning to end was sheer unadulterated perfection for me. I enjoyed the others. I have my issues with all of them. Kojima’s decisions for MGS2 I’ll never agree with but II still had a lot of fun with the game.

    One of my favourite moments from MGS2 was the ‘ininitie ammo’ line from Snake. I smile every time I see that scene.

    Aslo some of the best moments of MGS for me have been the trailers. That certainly fed into the things I didn’t agree with about MGS2 but really, besides Kojima, who else would pull a stunt like that? I think gaming at large is better for it.

  • The End is still the greatest boss battle of all time. Intense 2 da max.

    Returning to Shadow Moses.

    Big Boss being told his future in Portable Ops: “Your son will bring the world to ruin… your son will save the world.” :~~~(

    The “microwave” scene in MGS4.

    Worst scene: Otacon hamming it up and crying in MGS4 when a certain someone dies. Nearly had to get up and walk out of the room in disgust. But, that’s MGS for ya.

  • I was looking at the HD collection this morning actually, could someone let me know if I picked up the HD collection and MGS4 would I get a pretty good coverage of the story? MGS4 grabbed my attention a while ago but I was reluctant to play it without playing any other game in the series.

    • Pretty good? You’d get 3/4s of the story from MGS2/3/4. And a continuation of Big Boss’ story in Peace walker. You can always read up on MGS1 and Portable ops at the MGS wiki. On top of the HD collection you also get Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 in their MSX incarnations so you basically get 5 metal gear games in the MGS HD collection

      • Like I told the other guy, there is a feature somewhere in the MGS2 menus where you can read up on the events of MGS1. I did get a friend to play MGS1 and he initially thought it was utter crap, but after putting into perspective the time the game came out and playing it more, he began to enjoy it.

        So if you can, MGS1 is the best start.

  • The Metal Gear Series is one I love. It’s so unique in that it wants to be realistic whilst being totally insane.

    In many MGS games you can contact someone via codec and they’ll give you real, accurate, information on the weapon you’re holding.

    But then it has characters like, “The Pain.” who shoot bullets bees at you…

    Also, the story is off the chain.

    Solid Snake is a clone of Big Boss, as is Liquid Snake. But you learn in MGS2 there was a third! AND it was the previous PRESIDENT of the United States! W

    Who’s been ousted from office by The Patriots, a clandestine organisation that controls the world from behind the scenes.

    So he forms a coup of sorts, attacking a facility in New York with a Vampire, Lady Luck and a fat bomb expert in rollerblades.

    He does this whilst wearing a metallic suit of battle armour that has two robot tentacles attached to it, THAT SHOOT MISSILES…

  • I loved how bad ass they made Raiden in MGS4. Of all the negative quips I remember reading about Raiden in MGS2, I just kept thinking, FARK WHY IS RAIDEN AN NPC IN MGS4?! WHYYYYYYY??!!

  • No one has mentioned the final boss battle in MGS4? ie the one on one fisticuffs with Liquid Ocelot, going through all the generations of the characters, with the music of that era playing, with their names changing.
    I marked out when “Snake Eater” started playing in that part. Was an awesome boss fight.

    Also, FINALLY piloting a Metal Gear unit (Rex) in MGS4. That was very satisfying taking on Metal Gear Ray.

    Also the hilarious “poking fun at oneself” dialogue and events:
    – unlimited ammo
    – we need to change discs in MGS4!! Oh no we don’t, we are on bluray!! “Otacton…get a grip!!!” (the disc change sequence was the EXACT same spot as the original MGS)
    – “Kojima is God” in Peace Walker
    – “Boxes! What can’t they do!!!” – Peace Walker
    – landing at the beginning of MGS3 and you have a Raiden mask on, making you think for a heartbeat “oh no! not again!” haha. Brilliant.

    That long ass ladder in MGS3. That went FOREVER!!

    The music in MGS3 is outstanding. Likewise the intro in MGS.

    Otacon creating Metal Gear Rex based off Japanese anime haha

    And as others have said..the nostalgia trip in MGS4, both the PS1 graphics and the sound bytes when you explore Shadow Moses.

  • JB at Galeries in Sydney has a few copies of the Limited Edition of the MGS HD collection on Xbox 360 for $99. I was pretty tempted, even though I’m not an MSG fan. Might want to pop down there if you are and don’t have this yet.

  • – The Psycho Mantis boss fight in its fourth-wall breaking glory.

    – The creepy codec calls from the Major in MGS2.

    – Amazingly, climbing the long ladder with the voice-only theme song fading in and out.

    – The 4 boss reveals for MGS4.

  • High points: all of MGS3: Snake Eater, most of MGS
    Stuff I enjoyed but wasn’t amazing: AC!D 1&2, portable OPs, peace walker
    Low points:MGS2, MGS4.
    My MGS4 were many. Playing as ‘Old Math Teacher Moustache’ Snake and mentally wrestling with sony advertising the cell processor in a system I’d clearly already bought tainted the whole thing off the bat, that was further compounded by Kojima’s pseudo-philosophical wank reaching it’s climax. Game was extremely verbose and constantly retreading the same tired themes. Kojima needs an editor really badly.

    MGS2 was just absolute shit apart from the snake section. Raiden… I mean…really? Play as a grizzled badass like Snake then play as this whiny turd? Not cool. Not cool at all.

    • I read an article somewhere analysing MGS2 and it adroitly made the excellent point that the protagonist of MGS2 is still Solid Snake, but we get to see him from an outsider’s perspective.

      Then it went into all this postmodern stuff that I can’t remember, but after reading it, I was converted to massive MGS2 love, and now cannot be swayed.

      • There was a great article on 1up.com all about MGS2 that put a lot of things into perspective for me and made me think about the game in ways that m young mind could not comprehend when the game was released. Such as the way Kojima controlled the media surrounding the game to hide Riden in the same way that the Patriots were planning to control all media within the game.

      • I must have read the same article… I’ve tried to find it again several times since then, but just haven’t had much luck with my memory+Google I guess. Same story here, though. I was very lukewarm towards MGS2 until reading that article and then it felt like the scales fell from my eyes. Big fan now :), but still MGS3 is my most preferred game in the series.

  • MGS – First Metal Gear game I ever played and fell in love with it completely…was one of those games that told an excellent story, did really cool things with the hardware it was on (that Psycho Mantis battle still lives in my memory)…and was just a ton of fun.

    MGS 2 – Was in desperate need of an editor….Especially in the final act of that game. I still like it, but yeah

    MGS 3 – Return to form, I like the story behind it and liked the game play a lot

    MGS 4 – Out of every game this generation that has gotten a 10 from IGN…that is the only one that I think is actually deservant of the 10. Every act somehow managed to top the last act. The return to Shadow Moses was awesome…and I loved the very ending (with Snake and Big Boss)

    MGS Peace Walker – Is actually my favourite game of the series. It tells an excellent story that follows on from MGS3. It edited tightly (a rarity for Kojima)…but what really makes it work is the crazy amount of game play it has. I clocked 150 hours into that game on my PSP, got an S Ranking for every mission. Cleared Every Monster Hunter Mission…built my army up…there was so much game to be had with Peace Walker…it reminds my favourite of the series.

  • I haven’t played the series much, but always like the “It’s on the back of the box” reference in MGS1 where you needed a frequency code and it was actually on the back of the game case in a screenshot.

    A nifty way to mess with pirates too! (until they catch on and include a copy of the cover, or google it)

    • Also

      MGS2
      MGS1
      MGS3
      MGS4

      2 is easily my favorite despite all the hate and everything it would take me far to long to go into why, 3 is a better game but 2 is better…to me at least and i hate raiden but 2 is still better… haha

  • One of these days I am going to pull out MGS for the ‘cube, play the HD releases of MGS, and then play through MGS – all one after the other. One day.

  • Kojima has always managed to surprise me with interesting new game mechanics.

    Apart from the Pyscho Mantis part, MGS2 introduced “freezing” if you sneak up on them and making them panic if you point your gun at their crotch.
    Then in MGS3 you can headlock enemies and interrogate them.

    What this does is give a sense of uniqueness to each common enemy, even if they do look generically alike.

    Brilliant!

  • ?

    Who’s footprints are these?

    I still remember the ads on TV for MGS on the original Playstation

    I’m playing Peace Walker atm, but am starting to have an urge to play MGS4 again after reading all these comments.
    (I think MGS3 is my favourite though)

  • Best 2 parts of the series for me

    A) When in the colon in MGS2 and the colonel starts spazzing out while you run around naked. The TV I had at the Time ysed the exact same icons when the volume fader on screen showed up and the channel numbers where flashing, and then the cute japanese girl on the bed. Freaked me out.

    B) MGS4 when Snake has a 16bit nightmare at shadow moses!

    Worst moment, being forced to sit through hideos massive wankfest at end of MGS4.

  • MGS3 was my first, have played MGS (Twin Snakes edition), 2, 4 and Peacewalker.

    MGS4 is my favourite. I know it’s a bit over the top but I loved every minute of it. Including the crazy over the top storyline and the convoluted ending.

    Peacewalker is probably the only game where I had a problem with the storyline. It was awesome but it only really further confused Big Boss’s motives in the original Metal Gear games and also had some possible plot holes in the metal gear technology that seemed to be far greater than the metal gears in mgs1 and 2.

  • When I played MGS2 I was under the impression that I’d play at least one section as Snake before playing as Raiden – that never happened.

  • -“I love to reload during the battle!”
    -Fighting the ninja
    -Figuring out how to beat Mantis.
    -Using tomato sauce to trick the guard into letting me out the cell
    -“That takes care of the cremation”
    -The ending of the tanker chapter “Steal? No. I’m taking it back”
    -The whole character of Vamp
    -Teaming up with Snake to kick some ass
    -The whole “everyone is betraying everyone else”sequence after beating Metal gear RAY.
    -Learning how solidus is so convinced he’s a good guy
    -The way that MGS2’s conclusion actually gets stronger the more you see it and think about it.
    -The snake eater theme
    -Fighting The End
    -Becoming Raikov and punching guards in the face
    -The last 2 hours or so of MGS3
    -The salute at The Boss’ grave. ALWAYS gets me

    I really hated 4 though. Absolutely horrible game in my opinion. I have no idea why it was so acclaimed. Kojima let’s you play and have a bit of fun in Acts 1 and 2 and then increasingly wrestles away control until all you’re left with is his nonsense.

  • When Snake Eater came out I was going to University and my girlfriend at the time had a Ps2, while I had an Xbox that I’d found in an antique shop (weird story :-P), so I was really only able to play it on weekends in her room.

    It’s Sunday night and getting late, and I am just starting the boss-fight with The End. I figure it’s a great place to stop and save.

    Come back over a week later when I finally have time and access to the Ps2… “Snake finds The End dead in the jungle…”

    Never before had I felt two emotions so strongly. Joy and Frustration. I couldn’t believe how awesome that was, but at the same time I was so looking forward to a good-old-fashioned sniper duel… for over a week, no less 😛

    Still, it was awesome.

  • Loved 1 2 3 and 4 so so so so much. Haven’t played any of the PSP one’s, can’t wait to get my mitts on HD collection tho.

    Fave bits:

    Playing thru MGS1 the 3rd time, u get the tuxedo and the utterly amazing rendition of the theme song at the end of said 3rd play thru.

    Dog Tags in MGS2! And climbing into a locker with a poster on the inside and making snake have a wank… hahahaha.

    Fixing injuries and eating food cut scenes in MGS3 and killing The End prior to his ‘boss’ fight…..

    Split screen boss fight where you fight Gekkos and Suicide Gekkos and Raiden fights Vamp…. Youtube that shit now. One of the best fight scenes ever made. On any medium.

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