Objection: What Will Nintendo Unveil At E3? What Do We Want?

Welcome to Objection! This is where we take the time to go on-depth on current gaming issues, and let you guys continue the discussion in the comments section. This week we've gotten Vooks onboard to help us discuss Nintendo's upcoming console reveal. What are you expecting, and what you like to see?

MARK: E3 is rapidly approaching, and it should be a big one. I have to admit though, I'm most excited about what Nintendo bring to the table. What are you expecting? And do any of the recent rumours about Nintendo's latest console hold any weight?

VOOKS: I'm excited Nintendo's going to be showing something for once! Nintendo has really neglected the Wii as of late and it's beginning to show, everyone knows Zelda's coming but we want something more! We all know the Wii successor is going to be shown off at E3, that's really the only thing confirmed at this stage. I'm expecting nothing less then the same as we got for at E3 last year for the Nintendo 3DS. Showing off the latest 'thing' it does and the form factor, the controller and things like that. Unless it's truly revolutionary we won't get a full demo of the online services or the OS or anything like.

As for the rumours, to be honest some of them worry me. The controller with a 6" screen, streaming games to the controller - it all seems counter-intuitive to what Nintendo need. Things like HD and 1080p and high capacity disks, however, are good things and I hope those rumours are true at least. Having the same power as the big HD consoles is a great thing it brings the system up to par with current generation games, however if they're going to do another radically different controller or have 'streaming' to controllers - third parties will again (outside of special efforts) probably avoid the console or not devote it any serious development time.

MARK: The rumours worry me, because they seem to show a Nintendo that is reacting to the current market place situation, instead of being pro-active and really attempting to disrupt the market – which is what Nintendo does when it’s firing on all cylinders.

I honestly think the whole 6” screen rumour is false, and the reason is it seems too derivative to be a concept that Nintendo would follow through on for their next major home console. The tablet market is about to be flooded with different products, and I don’t see Nintendo setting their stock on a product that looks and plays like other mainstream consumer tech.

I’m hoping to be blown away at E3. I’m hoping to see something completely new. But by the same token, I’m also preparing for disappointment. The 3DS hasn’t set the world on fire, and I’m starting to worry if Nintendo has lost touch with the innovative spirit that transformed the company with the DS and the Wii.

VOOKS: Exactly, but I want Nintendo take it further. I don't simply want something different for the sake of being different. Motion controls for better or worse have changed the way we play games. This has resulted in some great immersive experiences and other times it's left us with Wii Mini Game Compilation #435. I want Nintendo really get up in there and shake things up but do so because they want to - not because they think they have to in order to compete.

You're right about the tablet market. No matter how much people say Android Tablets are great, Apple owns that space for the foreseeable future. Video game consoles, while spreading to the masses starting with the Wii and now Kinect and Move, won't even be able to touch the iPad, even in mindshare. Oh, and how much would a 6" screen controller cost? A Wii Remote is already $69 by itself!

As for the Nintendo 3DS, we need to see a few things from that and soon. Games being the first. Get the ball rolling Nintendo - we know Mario Kart, Paper Mario and Animal Crossing are on the way. We’ve been seeing them for a year now!

Forget those - show us what's next. Mario (that's confirmed), Starfox, F-Zero, Pikmin or hell even something new! Give people a reason to pick up their 3DS. At moment, there's none. Ocarina of Time is on the way, but after that... when's the next big game being released? I haven't seen a console turn so fast - the hype behind the 3DS has gone. They truly need to amaze us. The eShop, online and internet abilities of the console - we need more than just the Virtual Console. Give us a reason outside of StreetPass to take our 3DS everywhere.

Going into anything Nintendo related with quiet optimism is always the way to go.

MARK: I think a quiet optimism is about right. My major worry is that Nintendo has quite possibly realised a little too late the corner they’ve painted themselves into. The mainstream install base Nintendo has won't buy another Nintendo console unless it’s a true, fair dinkum, purple cow of a console.

Gamers can scream ‘HD visuals, proper hard drive, regular control pad’ until they’re blue in the face, but that’s not what they’re going to get – and the reason for that is simple: that kind of console will not shift the kind of units Nintendo need to shift.

I think the 3DS is absolutely the best example of this – here is a console that innovates in the most obvious, uninteresting way possible – 3D visuals. Sure you have the whole ‘no-glasses’ thing, but it’s hardly the grand leap forward the DS was in terms of control. It’s not the kind of innovation that spreads like wildfire, the kind of innovation that non-gamers play and instantly know they need to have.

Nintendo, with their new console, needs to satiate a brand new need that gamers didn’t even know they had. And that’s easy enough to say, but infinitely more difficult to achieve in practice.

You know what I would really love to see? I’d love to see an E3 presentation that has each and every single game journalist in the country going - what the hell did I just watch? What is that thing I barely understand or want?

That’s how folks felt when they saw the N64 controller, that’s how they felt when they saw a DS for the first time. That’s what they felt when they discovered Nintendo's last console was named the ‘Wii’.

In fact – that’s probably the greatest predictor for success with Nintendo – game journalists hate it. Make me hate you Nintendo - then you'll get the success you deserve!

DANIEL: That's one of the problems they have with the Nintendo 3DS - despite the marketing and the obvious power difference, too many people see it as another DS. The name is even similar, obviously us wiser gamers know better but Joe Public are having a hard time with it. When some more kick ass games come out for the Nintendo 3DS, that's when they'll see the need to upgrade. This is what they'll have to avoid with the Wii successor, find out how to make it different enough. A big ramp up of the crazy on this one please Nintendo.

You're right Mark, let's all hope that game journalists hate it, then we'll know Nintendo's on the right path. They all loved the Nintendo 3DS, and look how that's going so far...


    Phoenix Wright x Layton game. In English.



      Apollo Justice 2? My hopes exceed your hopes!

    Ninetendo need the core.

    They're the early adopters and the ones who spread the word on these things.
    They're the ones who first bought the Wii, showing it to their wives and mothers... who told their friends and so forth.
    The core got burnt by Nintendo though, and so they need to bring that market back on board.
    I think it'll be a proper console, I think it will support multi platform releases, I think the online will be awful(because that's a Nintendo hallmark).
    I'd love it if they started selling grown-up games as well... but I think that's unlikely.

      I agree they need the core, but also the casual segment of the market. Both of these are now used to, and want a comprehensive online service.

      5 years ago I was truly negative about downloading games. Now I love downloading live arcade, classic games on vc and small cheaper new games (think: pvz, flight control, bit trip series, shank, galaga legions etc) .

      I still def want my new larger ghames in a nice retail box!! But, I also want a comprehensive back catalogue (neo geo -wheres the shmups!?, wheres saturn?!?, where's gb & vboy?!??) and at least a handful of quality new small games on download service FROM DAY 1 !!!


    Pikmin 3. I loved the second one on the cube and Shiggy has mentioned it already.

    Been itching for some more.

    I think the new Nintendo console will be heavy on the AR stuff. If they had games (full games) that gave me an awesome AR experience, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

    It seems like the next logical step after motion control.

    A decent 3DS game that isn't a remake...

      MarioKart, doesn't count as a remake cos it's racing!!

      But otherwise , yeah!

    IS Daniel Vooks? Or did a third player just wander in the room??

      It's a Fight Club/Tyler Durden deal....

    I think I'll be happy with whatever Nintendo ends up releasing but that's the Ninty fanboy in me. Id really like to see a better online system and some core games. Also lots of Zelda, DK, Pikmin and Mario please!

      Blind Mown! Completely had you picked as a Sega guy ;)

        MY ONE TRUE SECRET REVEALED! CURSE YOUUUUUUUUU! *waves fists wildly in the air*

    I think we all have the fear, especially when the "touch screen controller you stream smaller games to" was shown, that this might become the next Dreamcast.
    Here's what will work: A console more powerful than the current gen. A Wiimote-like controller that SLOTS INSIDE a Gamecube-like controller. SNES classics FREE to stream from a friendly online service. 8 controller ports / EMPHASISED support for 8 player local. Media Playback.

    This is all very doable, costs little, and provides obvious, marketable benefits for both core and casual gamers.

      Problem is booming past this gen will slighty f$&@ them up when ms and Sony boom past them a year later

    Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth II English translation announced.

    More AR stuff for the 3DS, give people a reason to disbelieve.
    The new console must do something different and new but maintain accessability, that's what's kept nintendo active for all these years. The gamecube focused purely on hardware and while it had great games, it failed commercially and nintendo learned.
    The NES had the lightgun, the 64 controller demanded a third hand, the SNES pitched at CD, although it fell short.
    The Wii said, "you can afford this, you can use this, and it will be fun" and, while most sat gathering dust, they were gathering dust in homes rather than on shelves.
    But Nintendo has already changed the game by releasing on their own timetable, so while we can be fairly sertain it will be high definition and easy to use, if it leaves the community stunned, it will succeed.

    To be completely honest, all I want from a new Nintendo console is: higher-quality graphics, a gamepad-style controller as standard and free retail game demos in an online store. Don't really care about media centre stuff or online gaming. And if they can deliver a fun gimmick on top of it that encourages some new types of games, then great.

    I'm confident Nintendo's software will do the rest.

    I'd love to see some next gen platformers that bring back the nostalgia of the N64, the likes of Banjo Kazooie, Conkers Bad Fur Day, Mario 64 these were the games that had me playing for hours searching for the last musical note or coin. Enough with the next gen graphics and more with the gameplay.

    This may be boring but maybe finally relenting and jumping on the console as home entertainment centre bandwagon that Sony started all those years ago.

    Nintendo has steadfastly refused to include DVD playback in any of its machines, meanwhile both PS2 and Xbox were makeshift DVD players/Media Centres which have only grown bigger this gen.

    I think its Nintendo's stubborn refusal to keep up with the times on this front that has held them back.

    Its all well and good to say the Gamecube was focussed on Hardware and the hardcore - but if that was the case they made some collossal missteps with their obsession over Gameboy Connectivity, lacklustre online features and squandered functionality

    (there's actually a front-end screen on the GCN - the first Nintendo console to have one and what was it useful for - nothing! You could set the time and language and check the memory card. Whoop-di-doo!)

    Bring back the nostalgia of the snes instead. When nintendo had a bunch of 3rd party support and when super metroid was one of the most hardcore titles of that era. A new 1080p sidescrolling metroid title for project cafe would be perfect for nintendo fans, and the "core" audience as well.

    Nintendo will come up with the most game changing innovative type of controller we've never anticipated before...

    ... then completely **** it up by only including one button or something.

    For the new console, Nintendo need to do something that will change the industry again like they did with the Wii. I've no doubt this new machine will have motion controls, but if the power isn't huge leaps and bounds above the PS3 and 360 people will just ask what the point is.

      mind control tech has been improving lately?? Maybe the Wii2 comes in hat form. and for two player games you have to buy two consoles.

    I want Mother 3....thats all....


    Nintendo's new brand: Out-door imaginative gaming.

    I want them to announce the cancellation of the 3DS as a failure and go back to the drawing board...

    I'd like to see something that holds my attention from them. Nontendo is, after all, the REASON I started gaming. They lost me after the Gamecube. The last good system they made as far as I'm concerned.
    Sue me.

    I don't understand what people mean by more mature games, most gamers who say that play call of duty and all those whack shooters that have unfortunately been the same game over and over again. Twilight Princess had a very deep and mature story line, the metroid prime series is pretty mature too. If people are expecting a mature Mario, they are morons, Nintendo will never release a Mario aimed at adults, and if they did I'd be pissed about it. I think Nintendo will get this right, but not in the way that people think. I don't want another Wii though, as much as I liked it the games were kinda whack. It's core games were amazing though and the virtual console. But please Nintendo, no more gimmicks.

      Well that's the thing - the COD games have been on Wii anyway (and probably sell very well) no I think the reason Nintendo fell out with the core during the Gamecube era was simple.

      Grand Theft Auto.

      It started off as a PS2 exclusive - but eventually you could get it on Xbox and PC, it's the only major hardcore franchise I can think of that never reached the cube.

      All the other big series from that gen like Resident Evil, Prince of Persia, Splinter Cell, Metal Gear Solid, Timesplitters all had Gamecube installments, GTA though, the biggest selling game of that Generation was also Gamecube's biggest omission (a pity too cuz the GC easily outperformed the PS2 from a hardware standpoint)

      I think Nintendo knows this too, hence why one of the big rumours doing the rounds at the moment is that GTA V will be a launch title

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